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"Democrats have introduced the bill in every Congress since 2013, but it stood little chance of passing with Republicans in control of at least one chamber of Congress until 2020."

Democrats have been introducing legislation to codify Roe since at least the late 1980's. Pretty much every Democratic presidential candidate in the past 30 years has promised to make codifying Roe a top priority. See, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf0XIRZSTt8 (Obama in 2008). I don't know why anyone would continue to believe Democrats will get this done.

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"implicit in the concept of ordered liberty"

One question I would like to ask this fuckhead: exactly how does having a policeman stationed in every uterus fit into the 'concept of ordered liberty'?

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"I don't know why anyone would continue to believe Democrats will get this done."

Who the fuck else was going to do it? The republicans? What country do you think you live in?

You live in the imaginary world where some magic third party arises that get's more than 2% of the vote and can somehow take on Republican chicanery and asymmetrical warfare and succeeds somehow where the democrats cannot. Lead by who? Ralph Nader? Elf Queen and Putin sell-out Jill Stien?Captain Kirk?

Go fuck yourself.

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@3 Hahahaha... you're amazing man. I enjoy imagining you eating a shit sandwich and convincing yourself you like it because this one came with free avocados!

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One of the more insane things in all of this is that in the 7-2 decision supporting choice, 5 of them were Republicans. Back when some of them actually believed in small government. That's how far this shithole country has swung toward fascism. Good times.

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I have to agree with Professor Shrubber on this.

The windows of opportunity for the Democrats to codify Roe have been surprisingly few and far between since Roe was decided 50 years ago. For 26.5 of those years (1974-1977, 1981-1993, 2001-2009, 2017-2021) vehement anti-abortion Republicans controlled the White House.

For the 16 years that Clinton and Obama sat in the White House the Democrats only controlled both Houses of Congress for four years (1993-1995, 2009-2011).

For four of those years Jimmy Carter sat in the Oval Office. Jimmy personally opposed abortion and only he knows whether he would have vetoed legislation codifying Roe.

Oddly the best chance to codify Roe might have been right after the decision, in the 563 days between the decision and Nixon's resignation. Both the White House and Congress were preoccupied with other matters during that year and a half.

So Roe was decided 49 years ago, and the Democrats had clear control of both houses of Congress and the White House for only 4 of those years.

The next time you are wondering why liberals like myself are exasperated by progressives and their impatience, just take a look at that timeline.

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@6 My penultimate sentence should read "So Roe was decided 49 years ago, and Pro-Choice Democrats had clear control of both houses of Congress and the White House for only 4 of those years."

Democrats controlled both houses through Jimmy's four years, but Jimmy himself was perhaps not pro-choice.

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@5 that was when justices applied their humanity to their thought process. It led to generations of apparatchiks being bred with the ability to compartmentalize humanity only to people immediately relevant to their own financial interests.

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@6, Didn't Obama at some point in his 8 years have both branches of Congress? I think he did, but as I recall as per Obama's penchant for avoiding conflict and controversy, he focused primarily on ACA passage.

That being said, he might not have gotten the 60 needed in the Senate due to blue dog southern dems like Manchin.

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There is no Constitutional bar on the Senate passing any legislation by a majority (not 50 votes, a bare majority).

Period.

Just do it by a Majority and then ignore the impotent "supreme court".

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@9 Yes. I mentioned them. The Dems had the majority in both houses from 2009 to 2011.

Yes the Democrats had both houses and the White House for a grand total of four years between 1980 and 2016. The first two years of Clinton’s term and the first two years of Obama’s.

During both they decided to focus on Health Care.

After both the Democrats got slaughtered in the midterms.

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@10. There’s a very real chance the Republicans will hold majorities in both houses and the Oval after either the 2024 or 2028 elections.

What could possibly go wrong with your plan?

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Whoever this leaker is, has done a great service to our country. Now we have advance warning about the inside machinations of the right-wing reactionary to remove, for the first time, Constitutional rights from all of us. We are forewarned. Now we must act.

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@Will - A well written article and summary. Thanks.

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@10: It's my understanding that the Senate Dems don't want to deal with the inevitable filibuster. There may be times when it might actually be entertaining to listen to some fools reciting the New York City phone book. But I guess this isn't one of them.

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The ruling makes total fucking sense.

It has been a goal of the Right for literally decades, they have the power to do so, and their purported opposition, the Democratic Party, is easily the most incompetently run major political party in the Western world.

They are going to get what they want and the Democrats won't do jack shit about it.

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The bottom line on the entire abortion debate is the fact that Justice Alito does not have a uterus, and does not have to contend with an unwanted pregnancy, so he has not credibility to rule on this issue.

The legality of abortion is settled law, and should remain as such. Look for cottage industries to spring up where people are ferried up to Canada or down to Mexico to have these procedures, like the coyotes who escort people from down south across the southern U.S. border.

It is really easy to understand why so many people revile the elder white male aristocracy, with these socially regressive attempts to modify existing law to satisfy the temporal needs of religious fetishists, who view abortion as a damnable crime against humanity and like to hit free-thinkers over the head with their bibles.

It does appear that this leak was intended to bolster voting in favor of Democrats in the midterms, to invoke the politics of fear if you will, and it may well do the trick, the idea being that they will respect abortions as a right of law.

Nevertheless, it is interesting to note that the Republicans have been in power for about half of the fifty years since Roe vs. Wade became federal law, and no one has seriously challenged it, although there has been much gnashing of teeth and saber-rattled from the troglodytes on the political right, particularly the religious fundamentalists who cannot mind their own business regarding anything, particularly reproductive rights, which are the purview of the women who will have to carry an unwanted pregnancy full-term, and deal with all the resultant familial and logistical repercussions.

A truly important component of the post-Steinem women’s movement is the concept of free-will as it pertains to becoming a successful, self-actualized person who makes their own choices in a fair and just legal and social environment.

Revoking the Roe vs. Wade decision is like telling minorities they can participate in the American franchise however; they have to spend the summer working in the fields or coal mines for their white pappies and mammies.

These nosy religious nuts, who want to shove their hands down your pants to see if you have a big weenie or if your menstruating, are goaded on by the redneck whack jobs at Fox News and National Review, who devote page upon page to abortion criticism on philosophical and political grounds, although most of them are middle-aged men who think they know what is right for women, based on some sort of pseudo-intellectual old-world false sense of male superiority.

An important component of much-needed national health care, single-provider or whatever you call it, full Medicare government-provided healthcare for instance, should be free and effective contraception, particularly for young folk, who are particularly susceptible to unwanted pregnancies.

The conservative, traditionalist elements in our society, who too readily fall back on old-accustomed ways, are truly socially regressive and primeval in their view of women’s rights.

The more intellectually and technologically advanced a society becomes, the more you hear from these primitivist yahoos saying that people with opposing points of view should be burned at the stake or sent to Siberia for their own religious fortification.

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@17- the Republicans have never seriously challenged Roe at the federal level because it is a yuuuge cash cow for them to fundraise on and the biggest way that they get millions of fools to vote against their own interest. They (rightly I hope) feared that if Roe fell, the Old Testament crowd would have less reason to sign up for the economic devastation and drug addiction that the RepubliNazis have cursed them to. If rural and Southern voters acted based on what actually made economic sense for them or would help their kids to have a prayer (no pun intended) of living better, the Repubs would be slaughtered in an instant.


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