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Silvio Levy
And what are the chances any regular Fox host or guest would ever be able to pull off this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0-FYyuvr…
Mr. Perkins believes he is speaking "truth", To him he is not lying. Human capacity for self-delusion is huge. He is convinced that he has the facts and thousdands of studies proving him wrong will not make a difference. Mr. Perkins NEEDS to believe this. Not only does it butter his bread, but it is foundational to his belief system. Mr. Perkins brain will protect him from accepting contravening facts. His mind is locked and irrational, and his person is dependant upon believing he knows the "truth".
Frank = amazing
Franklin = my hero
Religion: It's whatever you want it to be!
Here is a public copy of the Journal of Marriage and Family study (Biblarz & Stacey, 2010): http://www.squareonemd.com/pdf/Does%20th…
Here is the study from the Time article (Gartrell & Bos, 2010):
http://www.pediatricsdigest.mobi/content…
(Forgive me for not using APA format.)
Barney Frank has been my representative for my entire life. We're gonna miss you, ol' Sabertooth.
(ctrl+F for Swaab)
I am so thoroughly tired of seeing these bigoted blowhard liars given 'equal time' over the airwaves... Enough already!!
ZING!
> As a result of Hooker's finding, the APA removed homosexuality from its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Psychological Disorders in 1973. >
But This American Life did a fantastic story on what really happened:
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-ar…
The APA may want us to think that they were all scientific and serious and happy to change the DSM once the studies showed that gay people weren't sick. But in fact, actual gay psychiatrists took the brave step of inviting non-gay psychiatrists to a gay bar with them, to show them that gay people weren't crazy. Without their courage, the APA would not have changed its guidelines in 1973. Brave people make a difference, and their courage shouldn't be written out of the history books.
He has transgressed against both science and religion.
Wtf?
Btw i know this has nothing to do with this blog post but i just had to share what i just learned
I googled "Christian wedding ceremony" and found this page
http://christianity.about.com/od/christi…
obviously not scripture, but perhaps representative.
Here is one sample "Pledge":
"____, do you take ____ to be your wedded (wife/husband), and in the presence of these witnesses do you vow that you will do everything in your power to make your love for (her/him) a growing part of your life? Will you continue to strengthen it from day to day and week to week with your best resources? Will you stand by (her/him) in sickness or in health, in poverty or in wealth, and will you shun all others and keep yourself to (her/him) alone as long as you both shall live?"
Hmm, no mention of children. Here is a model vow:
"In the name of Jesus, I ___ take you, ___, to be my (husband/wife), to have and to hold, from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, for as long as we both shall live. This is my solemn vow."
Hm,, again, no mention of procreation. These actually seem to be about... love. That's weird.
Does anyone know if other a typical wedding ceremony, Christian or otherwise, specifies procreation? Does the priest ever say, "Go forth and multiply," or among the other questions, ask each partner, "Do you agree to make every attempt to bear forth children?"
If not, I think this is a pretty good, intuitive response to the argument people like perkins are making.
Should women who are barren and men who have very low sperm counts be allowed to marry?
If the sactity of marriage is brought up just say
Kim kardashian
Nough said
After the passage of Amendment One in NC, the author's dad was later at his weekly men's Bible study, listening to the slurs and hate speech. The father at that point had an epiphany that this was not about religion or morals or anything else except hate. So I wonder for the Perkins and Gallaghers and their ilk, if perhaps trying to obfuscate their hate as love of God or family or whatever the hell they couch it as, might rather make their job much more difficult rather than easier. The honesty of hatred while also preaching the command to love would require such gross amounts of twisted speech that I'm not sure even they believe that they could pull it off. The lies (I think) are deliberate at least in part because they are simpler and easier..
I'm not saying this is a good argument, but it kind of works enough to confuse the issue. I'm suggesting we address that point by saying, "Oh, it's the rule? Then why isn't it ever even mentioned in wedding ceremonies? If it's such a foundational part of marriage, you'd think at least the priests and ministers would mention, but they don't!"
@jude you make a very good point. But when it comes down to it most people wont change there minds so whatever we say will go in one ear and out the other.... Actually it probably wouldnt even make it into the ear lol
The closest I've ever seen to any mention of children during a wedding service was at an RC marraige about 4 years ago where the couple were asked if they promised to love and care for "any children that God may send them". That phrasing, of course, includes adopted children and doesn't assume that the couple will themselves reproduce.
General thought on same-sex parenting- the studies on the matter highlight the parent's active involvement in and active commitment to their children's lives. Which is unsurprising, given that in the vast majority of cases same-sex parents have to actively work at becoming parents in the first place. They'll have had to think properly about it and jump through a number of hoops to become parents- not have an 'Ooops' moment when someone misses a period and a blue line appears (there will be exceptions to that, of course, but far fewer than for their straight counterparts). Which would mean... people who actively want to be parents turn out to be good parents, regardless of whether they're gay or straight? Sounds logical....
But that's just a side thought. Clearly, the 'It's bad for the children!' idea has been blown out of the water. Even if some people are trying to ignore that fact. Sigh.
Seconding that. At my first (RC) wedding, we vowed "To accept children as a gift from God." Which struck me less as an obligation to reproduce and more as a commitment not to have an abortion.
Nevertheless I am glad to see Mr. Frank and Mr. Hardballs tear up Mr. Perkins.
Perkins: "Allowing no-fault divorce has dramatically increased the divorce level". Follow up: Do you then support restricting divorce? Would you have prevented Newt Gingrich from getting divorced" (Wait for answer, and make him answer yes or no)
Perkins: "Studies show that children do better in a two parent environment". Follow up: "Please present the study that shows that. Has that study been peer reviewed? Does it specify mother/father, or does it say that two parents in a loving/stable household?
I loved the interaction between Franken and Thomas Minnery, and I think that is a much better way to do it than Barney Frank did. Just yelling doesn't make the other side listen. Forcing the other side to produce facts to support their position is the right way to go.
I agree with everything Barney Frank said, but the interview just came across as two sides shouting at each other. This was just preaching to the choir.
Danny quoting "studies"
It always gets ugly.
Did you even read them?
" We don't have data yet on two men parenting..."
All the studies Danny loves to cite that gush on Lesbian parenting carry a corollary- that two male parent couples will be more dangerous to children than man-woman or two woman couples.
cum on Danny-
don't hold back;
those are OFFICIALLY-designated Anti-Gay Hate Group™ !!!
preach it, sister!
"The study Perkins alludes to is a 2010 Department of Health and Human Services study. And It didn't compare children raised by opposite-sex couples to children raised by same-sex couples. It compared children with two MARRIED OPPOSITE SEX parents in the home to children with single parents. "
That study didn't include any homosexual couples.
sorry...
It followed a teeny tiny sample (admitting that "Data on such families are sparse") of economically advantaged lesbians and compares it to the population as a whole.
Danny is, as usual, confusing Advocacy with Science.
And it only looked at Lesbians but Danny loves to extend it to all same sex couples.
Danny should stick to his MTV clown show and leave Science to adults.
which they did at rates much higher that heterosexuals-
(even the Special Lesbian Couples who have babies together)-
don't seem to care if their moms divorce.
The study actually shows that One Lesbian
is just as good a parent as Two Lesbians,
defeating the whole purpose of Danny's point.....
How Embarrassing for Our Little Danny™
"In addition, children in same-sex-parent families whose mothers ended up separating did as well as children in lesbian families in which the moms stayed together.
Read more: www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,…;
Lying again, Danny?
Or just Ignorant...
But, yeah, even the craziest church weddings I've been to have focused more on the woman following the man around like a puppy and imploring the man not to hit that puppy.
And one of the most religious weddings I've been to recently was between a 48-year-old woman and 50-year-old man. Whadda think the chances of those two poppin' out a few crotch droppings are?
wait, Danny-
you only cited two studies
(both of which contradicted your assertion);
you are one AGAIN short.....
It also seemed like Matthews was tearing into Perkins a bit himself.
"We analyze findings from studies with designs that mitigate these problems by comparing 2-parent families with SAME OR DIFFERENT SEX coparents and single-mother with single-father families"
This is literally in the abstract of the first paper Dan was talking about. If you didn't even read that, well... I doubt that you even got to the part where male-male couples weren't "worse" than other couples.
and
"A total of 154 lesbian women in 84 families (70 birth mothers, 70 co-mothers, and 14 single mothers) enrolled in the study before it was closed to new participants in 1992"
Somehow, I don't think you understand the concept of statistical power. But N = 154 is a pretty damn solid number of participants.
Love,
The Studies that Dan Cited
The Frank/Perkins video doesn't play on my (just purchased, so up to date) Android phone. Fortunately, I found the video on YouTube.
Cheers,
Drew