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Good editorial on Marriage Equality in Rhode Island, which just passed the House by a huge margin while the Senate is dragging it's heels.
Also, an unscientific poll in which (at this time) more people have voted against marriage equality than for it. Everyone should go and vote!
http://www.heraldnews.com/newsnow/x19593…
http://bit.ly/VtMvcD
http://bit.ly/TRHOJn
Sigh...
This was in a Black majority city in the 1970's.
Nowadays, school is far less horrible than it was when I was a child. Sure, kids are still mean and horrible, but you don't hear racist bullshit endorsed by the parents and teachers pervading every aspect of childhood.
Someday, it will be the same for GLBT kids. This generation that's in primary school now, when they are my age, they will reflect on the bad old days when kids committed suicide because the harassment was so horrible it could not be endured. And, like me, they will marvel at how far school will have come, and how their children are so remarkably less bigoted.
We must work together to create a society that values each and every child. Lets build that future when homophobic bullying will be a fading memory.
Here is what I believe is her memorial service notification:
http://obit.lovelandfuneralchapel.com/ob…
It is scrubbed of any mention of suicide or homosexuality, but I think that is her.
Heartbreaking, of course.
That was my initial thought, too. But that's the point of the part where Dan says go ahead and overreact, do something drastic, and turn your own life upside down to protect your kids.
You don't want to wait for the community to change after your kid does something drastic (e.g., suicide, shooting spree).
It can be done very cheaply, especially when we're talking about teenagers who just have to find a way to finish high school. Fancy curriculum is not necessary - a lot can be done with just cheap books. The internet is your oyster.
Of course, some people are very, very constrained, but we're talking now about doing what it takes to save your kid. And these are the kids who would be highly motivated to take charge of finding their own resources and take care of themselves during the day if parents have to work. They can also homeschool enough to get a GED and start working and taking college classes at some point (I have a friend who was bullied and did this). There are lot of things that are far from ideal (ideal would be every child gets a quality education with supportive friends and teachers), but that are far, far better than the soul-destroying status quo of taking abuse every.single.day.
If not a troll, fixing the schools is nice, but sacrificing your kid to do so is a bit drastic, don't you think? And, don't get the gay kids therapy, as...bah...suicidal bullied kids will only learn coping skills.
If you are a troll 10/10. Would get trolled again.
Yes and no. Maybe not and maintain two incomes, three cars, and the big house. But "turn your life upside down" and many things become possible. I see people sharing homeschooling co-operatively. 1-2 days a week by each family. And why are Saturday and Sunday sacred no-school days?!? I can cover a week of math in 2 hours. A week of general science in a hour. Although I'd have to rely on my wife to efficiently convey history and languages.
And, big picture: We're not talking about toddlers here! These kids getting bullied are 12, 14, 17. Sit the kid down and say something like,
"You're miserable in school because of the bullying. That's not fair and it's not right, and things will be better in 20 years, but right now, we're concerned about you. Do you want to keep going to your school, or would you commit to supervise yourself through a home-school curriculum while I/Mom+Dad are at work? We'll review your progress and homework each night and we expect you to maintain your studies. We'll take you to community theater rehearsals / tennis lessons or you can take the bus. Tell us what social activities you want to do and we'll try to make that happen."
MANY gay kids THROW themselves into theater, sports, or academics. We've all seen it. Anything they can do well beats walking down the halls amongst the assholes and bullies. So let them excel on their own. Set guidelines and expectations. Trust but verify. Enforce consequences. Be a parent, if only once you get home from work.
Include carrots. If they've finished their home-school assignments, gaming or Netflix or email or porn is FINE, but only AFTER they've finished their schoolwork. Self-directed productive work is a far bigger and more useful lesson than most kids learn in school. There will be screw-ups. And corrections. And improvements in the long run.
We lost a child through no one's fault but if there was anything we could have done differently, we would have.
I'm arguing that there are alternatives that ARE completely possible and reasonable if you get creative.
Your own kid's school, home, etc are things you can act to change. Trying to get the entire school, town, nation, and world to change, fast enough to help your child, is an excuse to do nothing at all.
If it is Littia May Schwarz you are looking for? Her obituary said that she was enrolled in Oregon Connections Academy; a free online k-12 homeschooling program. The obits present a bright, well traveled, young woman that was being raised by her grandparents. She was employed, active in her church, active in community service especially for Mount Emily Safe Center (the only Child Abuse Intervention Center in Eastern Oregon) where she decorated a Christmas tree every year for the children to chose pieces from. Apparently 2012 was to have been rainbow themed.
Heartbreaking loss of a lovely young lady.
I hope Jadin Bell beats the odds he has. Doernbecher is a good hospital. I've spent more than enough time there.
Take care.
Moving, homeschooling, et cetera, can help children with bullying issues, but many if not most need help coping with wounds they have emotionally. Their families need help. This yet another reason why mental healthcare needs to be a priority. It needs to be affordable. We need to work to remove the stigma of needing help to cope with emotional issues. Society can do a decent job of triaging physical injury, but we tend to shrug off emotional injury, in my opinion.
Anyone can get through high school with a decent local library and internet access. With a bit more work, anyone can get through high school just the library or just the internet. If you don't have either, for the love of all that is holy in this world, WHY are you still living in that god-forsaken town?
Jadin Bell has been removed from life support according to Basic Rights Oregon and KATU News. May he pass quickly and easily. My condolences to his family.
so her parents took Dan's advice and she is still dead?
is there a money back guarantee, Dan?
I wouldn't trade those two years for anything. Was it "traditional" school? No way. Did I flourish in them? Oh yes, and I was removed from the classroom for similar reasons to those Dan describes here (I'm autistic; at the time I had not been properly diagnosed and you can probably imagine the havoc).
@13: This is a wonderful idea! Rather than "foster system" I would use the term "host family," as you would be hosting a child to provide new and beneficial experiences. "Foster family" sort of implies the bio-parents can't do their jobs. Perhaps this is something we should try to get actively implemented in various states.
Send a bullied gay kid to a therapist and he will come back drugged up and thinking that it is his behaviors that are causing him to be bullied. Then he'll be yelled at by his parents for being depressed and for the therapy costing too much money.
But please, continue with your ad hominem attacks. That is apparently easier than thinking. People like you think therapy is some magical treatment, when in fact, it is disturbingly close to a placebo. Therapy sucks and hardly works at all. Drugs are no better. Having a mental illness sucks and mental illnesses with a high treatment rate (>40%) are few and far between. With this in mind, the best way to deal with mental illnesses caused by bullying is to prevent them from happening in the first place.
And if neither of you can teach Trig (etc), Sal Khan (Khan Academy) will. For free. And the student has to demonstrate proficiency at each small step.
With very high-flying kids, we bump into home-schoolers at various national- and international-level competitions. Some have their kid very deeply into narrow areas (math, music) to the detriment of their social lives and practical skills.
But others really have balanced, high-level academics with outside social contact and expect more of their kids than any school system would.
More importantly, we're talking about homeschooling as an emergency response to an untenable school setting. The bullied kid is often NOT focused on academics.
It takes a special level of pathetic for an adult to go on about how tough he is compared to a child. Not that I'd expect much more from a pearl-clutching homophobe, though.
@6 - I encourage parents to screen therapists VERY THOROUGHLY and ask point blank: "Are you gay affirmative?" and don't send your child (or yourself) to any therapist who doesn't answer the question with a straightforward "YES."
Therapy with a gay affirmative therapist can be the kind of witnessing that LGBT people need in order to (literally) affirm their existence and learn that they deserve all the basic rights that their humanity confers upon them.
@6 - I encourage parents to screen therapists VERY THOROUGHLY and ask point blank: "Are you gay affirmative?" and don't send your child (or yourself) to any therapist who doesn't answer the question with a straightforward "YES."
Therapy with a gay affirmative therapist can be the kind of witnessing that LGBT people need in order to (literally) affirm their existence and learn that they deserve all the basic rights that their humanity confers upon them.
If they could do that much for me, couldn't American parents move to a different state, change schools, hire tutors and homeschool the kid? That's peanuts compared to what my parents did. And you don't want to do that to save your child's life?
No gay kid being bullied should have to endure that shit. It's taken years to overcome that damage.
@37 10/10. The use of ad hominem was a nice touch. :-D
I'd bet she's the one we're looking for.
UCLA recently released a study showing that the "cool" kids are most likely to bully and that anti-bully programs are most effective when they focus on the role of bystanders. http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/coo…
UCLA recently released a study showing that the "cool" kids are most likely to bully and that anti-bully programs are most effective when they focus on the role of bystanders. http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/coo…
But, FWIW, and, yes, I'm pretty damn good at math and science, I think I could pull off homeschooling if I needed to, to the naysayers. My best friend has 3 kiddos, and when I visit her, I'm the "homework guru." I dunno, maybe it's 4 years of tutoring college kids (between undergrad and grad school) and spending several years at work in a position where I regularly train people on how to do stuff, but I just seem to be able to get them to get it. Not that she's a slouch...she has advanced degrees (yep, that's plural) in education. She can drill it into their head, but I come around and am, like, "let me show you how you'll use this when you have a job," or "hey, I don't know much about that, but it's really interesting, should we research it?" and they just take to that. Especially when I confide to them that there are FREQUENT circumstances at work when I look things up from other people's work or the internet to make sure I'm doing it right, so there's no shame in asking ANY question, you just need to learn the WHY and not the HOW, and ask about the HOW until you learn to do it. Yes, it's the job of teachers to instruct them in the HOW, but the HOW can be discovered in any number of places, including teachers, textbooks, and electronic resources (including the internet at large). Meh...maybe it's just me. I still do cross-multiplication for conversions because I know that and know it works, wherever it is needed... Of course, I can also do pretty advanced calculus in my sleep, but, for something simple, if it ain't broke, why fix it.
P.S. @28: Fuck you too. If you're not going to suggest something productive, don't waste everyone's time with your petty sarcasm. You're not only cruel, you're useless.
I was also a teacher for a while, and I can tell you from both of my experiences that there is NO WAY that the staff at these schools are unaware of the bullying that is going on. I refused to teach one kid who was bullying another kid. When I told his parents he was a bully the response reminded me of the scene in Casa Blanca when the inspector is shocked, yes shocked to find out that there is gambling going on at Rick's Cafe American.
This makes the victim suffer twice over. It makes them believe that if the adults who should be protecting them turn a blind eye, then they are "getting what they deserve".
They have to get the schools involved, probably with the threat of legal action, since they would then be put on notice.
All that aside, my heart breaks for these families.
In Ohio, we have ECOT - http://www.ecotohio.org/ - which I think is also available in other states. It's a great alternative to traditional public schools - it's a combo of homeschooling plus public school. All your materials are free (they even provide computers and internet connections to those who don't already have them, and for families that provide their own connections they offer an office supply stipend to pay for ink/paper/etc). All the kids get tailored attention from their teachers. All the interaction is monitored by the teachers.
My niece graduated from the program last year, and my daughter started Kindergarten through ECOT this past fall, and we've all loved it. So, if you know someone who wishes they could homeschool but feels like it's unattainably expensive, tell them to check out ECOT.
Second of all, is it really so bad to put the kid on anti-depressants if it means the difference between a suicidal kid and a kid who is able to survive the bullying? Why do we always see psychiatric drugs as a negative thing? While the anti-gay bullying is what pushes them to the point where they commit or seriously contemplate suicide, the vast majority of people who have the POTENTIAL to be pushed to that point have a psychiatric condition. If a kid is suicidal, drugs and therapy may do more to help them than simply pulling them out of school would.
And beside all that, there's the fact that, far from just teaching them "coping mechanisms," counselors who are there to truly counsel kids on personal problems - not to just help them get into the best college, as most high school "counselors" are - are probably the best way to convince a parent that the kid really needs to get the fuck out of their awful school if that is the case. The parents might not listen to their teenager, but they would listen to a professional. Nobody who is certified in psychology or psychiatry wants to just teach a kid how to "cope" in an environment that is going to wreck them psychologically. They want to put them in a place where that isn't going to be the case.
...okay, I don't actually mean for that to sound as snarky as it does. But reacting to every crazy homeschooler by pointing out they're homeschooled is like reacting to every crazy woman by pointing out she's a woman, and therefore there MUST be some connection. Ditto for crazy Christians, crazy gay people........ every group has its crazies, but it doesn't mean the entire group is crazy. So it's heartening to see homeschooling suggested as a viable, logical, and *good* choice for some people.
Still, good advice for anyone who *can* swing it.
However, if it ever becomes a matter of saving your child's life, I hope that you'd use these things we call "books" to correct your deficiency.
To each his own. No mental health treatment is right for everyone. But it sure does work for some people and it doesn't mean there's something wrong with you for trying it.