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Congratulations, Arthur and Jim. I so wish you could have done this earlier.
Guess the Savage Train has moved on....choo choo...
How disgusting, tragic, and heartbreaking to see toll ALS takes. God almighty, to see the poor bastard being slotted into the plane in his stretcher ...
How disgusting, tragic, and heartbreaking to see the lengths these two men are forced to go, and at what expense, just to get hitched - in a country in which there exists such a thing as 72 hour marriages and drive-in wedding chapels - for straights.
But wow, what a beautiful love story between these two men. Painful, heartbreaking, maddening, yes, but astonishingly beautiful.
This really should be required viewing for ALL of those on the other side. What argument could they possibly have?
What argument?
Oh, well that's easy. As much as these two gentlemen have a right to confuse love with their unnatural, profoundly unhealthy homosexual relationship they do not have a right to define key social and legal terms for the self justification of their tiny self selected minority. Particularly not so that they can destroy marriage for those of us who don't suffer from the pitiable mental illness the urge to homosexual acts is symptomatic of.
You're welcome.
Yes, I see hetero marriages crumbling all around us now that these two old guys got legally married on a Maryland taxiway. Straights are lining up around the block to get divorced, and it's all the fault of teh gheys!!!
No, but voters and or the delegates they empower to carry out their will can define those social and legal terms for the social and legal purposes those contracts fulfill. And since that definition has no bearing on your own marriage, or even your own beliefs regarding marriage, you'll have to do a better job than you have here or elsewhere in illustrating your stake.
Apart from an unwarranted dig disguised as a medical assertion, how is "marriage" as you understand it even so much as nicked, let alone destroyed, by the legal recognition of homosexual marriage? How is it more damaging to the institution, from your perspective, than any other marriages which one is welcome to consider a sham under the doctrine of free exercise?
All I need to know about homosexuality is that something any 16 year old kid could figure out about how to have sex you folks can't understand. It's like when I was watching my toddler with one of those benches with the round and square holes diligently trying to push the circle into the square, only with adults.
If you have a problem with basic bioligical reality, you have my sympathies. If you expect others to celebrate and applaud your inability to figure out something as basic as sex you have my oposition. If you wish to attack key social institutions to satisfy your toddler fits of pique you have my repugnance.
You know being a dick doesn't actually make you interesting, right? As for mental illness, the APA took gay off the list four decades ago. Keep your batshit current.
We have full marriage equality now. Any consenting adult man may marry any consenting adult woman. Ergo, full marriage equality. Thanks so much for correcting your error.
The APA makes up their 'list,' the DSM, by popular acclamation, rather than by scientific method. I'm entirely uninterested in what those quacks think, particularly when reality and they are so clearly at odds.
Reality is what it is. I don't use the words fag or dyke or use insults, since they are a de facto lowering of myself to the level of, say Dan Savage. But if you find reality offensive your problem is not with reality but your understanding of it.
Where did I indicate any despite of the couple? On the contrary I feel deeply sorry for two men so lost to healty sexuality. Just as I feel deep sympathy for a victim of schizophrenia or any other debilitating mental illness.
I think the irony of this statement from you is fairly self-evident.
@19: "I don't use the words fag or dyke or use insults, since they are a de facto lowering of myself to the level of, say Dan Savage."
Since when?
Since when?
Oh, since about two weeks ago when my hater evangelical pastor delivered an impassioned sermon about the moral responsibility of what we say and how we say it, with specific reference to the debate on gay marriage and other current political issues. See, that hating SOB fundamentalist who hates gays was worried about conversations he'd heard that didn't sound very Christian to him, but you know how those haters are....
I needed to hear it, since I had gotten to use words I'd punish either of my children for using, in a tone they'd likewise be disciplined for employing.
So to the extent that I did use those words or substitute insult for discussion, or to the extent that instead of deep compassion for those afflicted with homosexual inclinations I expressed what with shame I can only honestly call hatred, I am sincerely apologetic.
Which doesn't change the fundamental illness of the inclination, nor the truth that having chosen a lifestyle an adult accepts the consequences of it rather than complaining about them.
In the span of about a month...
I see, I think.
In your view a doctor treating someone for cancer is gentle condescension in sympathizing with his or her patient?
Is a mechanic saying 'sorry, but the engine is blown' gently condescending to his or her customer?
How about a psychiatrist empathizing with their mentally ill patient? Condescending?
I feel as badly for someone suffering from unhealthy sexual inclinations like homosexuality as I would for someone suffering from a sexual attraction to animals or children. That doesn't mean I can honestly say that any of those inclinations are good to exercise for the sufferer, nor can I condone political moves to normalize or celebrate any of these impulses.
Again, if plainly stated reality is difficult for you to hear your problem is not with the statement but with reality.
Hater, hate speech, homophobia (speaking of the APA I'm unfamiliar with a formal classification of this supposed disorder, so if you'd kindly stop using a fictitious term that'd be great) are all polemical terms without real meaning.
It is hateful to use the word faggot or dyke, just as it is to use the word nigger or kike or any of the other vulgar terms used to indicate dislike of a type or class of person. But hate speech and homophobia as used by your friends means usually 'I don't like what you have to say, so I'll throw an insult out to deter you from saying it.'
Frankly there are plenty of existing English words for an educated person to use that curse words, vulgarities and made up nonsense really don't add to any discussion.
@35: I wasn't aware that "discussion" was your endgame. And since your recent conversion is so new and fragile, forgive me if, for the time being, I assume it's just the same old hateful bullshit rendered in less profane terms. There's nothing fictitious about hate speech; it just comes in many forms.
@Seattleblues, dude relax God will forgive you for that blow job you gave at 14 while at church camp.
@21: You feel sorry for gay people because they can't enjoy your favorite kind of sex life (with a woman, presumably through a hole in a bedsheet). So...you refuse to rent to people that you just feel sorry for? I'd say you're either judgmental of them or scared of them, and neither is remotely similar to sympathy.
@34: The difference between homosexuality and cancer, a damaged engine, and psychological illness is that The Gay isn't actually bad for you. Sure, you can never have biological children with your mate, but then again you never have to worry about accidental pregnancy. But it would be unfair of me to expect you to pay attention to reality.
@35: Sorry about your delicate fucking sensibilities.
Granting same-sex marriage rights to Americans will grant those rights to homosexuals, heterosexuals and everyone in between, equally. Thanks to the hard work of gay rights advocates, you now have the right to marry someone of your same sex in many states of our union. Whether you choose to exercise that right or not is entirely up to you. You're welcome. :)
When spewing hate from behind the mask no longer suffices your cowardly "bully fetish" and you seek out other cowards to escalate your obsession to physical violence, just know everything you say in this forum can and will be used against you.
Oh, and thanks for using Flash. ;)
SeattleBloooos, I'm glad you're back from rehab or that town where the Osmonds perform in the Midwest or Jonestown or wherever you went for awhile to recharge your lunacy batteries. The LOLZ were getting thin around here without you.
I sure would be pissed, and there'd be ABSOLUTELY NOTHING I could do to stop my hard-earned money from subsidizing those beautiful, hard-working families.
Just cause Seattleblues has to play with his peg all by his lonesome, doesnt mean it isnt awesome for two men in Ohio to fly to Maryland to get married. Just sucks that they have to.
Bravo for your patience and gentle persistence when faced with ... uh ... geometric challenges.
And a big BOO to the miserable bigot who just can't stay away from the subject he finds so loathesome. Curious, eh?
See what he has to say about them.
If you are loathe to do so, think about why. Why you might not want him to read the things you say.
I have always been a staunch advocate for marriage equality. Any consenting man should be able to marry any consenting woman without the state or any person interfering.
I object to redefining marriage for the convenience of a tiny self selected minority, as would any rational man, but marriage equality doesn't bother me at all.
Again, if someone finds the truth painful or offensive or difficult anger at the person telling the truth won't solve their problem.
I've written nothing offensive in word or tone. If a reader found it to be either their problem is internal, not with me.
Stop feeding the troll. It's disrespectful to the grooms. This post and video is about love and overcoming social stigma, not allowing ignorance and hatred a voice. You all know better.
If the idea of him reading your words here makes you uncomfortable, ask yourself why.
I honestly wondered for a moment if groom was an internet neologism, like troll, since in a real marriage ceremony the word would never be expressed in the plural form.
As for hatred you clearly don't understand the term, since I expressed none.
Unless like your fellow travelers you use that word to express disagreement with an argument's content rather than the actual meaning of the word .
@Lissa
Repeating a question after receiving an answer puzzles me.
See @32. You're relative civility now doesn't erase the hare you've expressed in those comments. Only a full apology would do that - one where you acknowledge that you said those things out of hate, and admit that, your personal opinions notwithstanding, you should address gays and lesbians with full respect if their humanity at all times.
Until that happens, your comment history, complete with your "I have to behave 'cus preacher said so" rationalizations reveal your true feelings.
Have you shown your Pastor what you have written on this thread?
That requires a simple yes or no answer.
The follow up question is also simple:
If you have not shown your Pastor your words here, or are reluctant to do so, why not?
Nope, but hey, if you're looking to start some kind of movement to legalize such things The Stranger is your venue buddy!
I'd say good luck with that, but wouldn't really mean it so I can't.
I am so stealing that.
I'm sorry, I just had to.
@59: Marriage equality, right? Any adult can marry someone of the opposite sex. EXPLAIN TO ME how that is substantially different from allowing any adult to marry someone of the same race.
@60: "I've written nothing offensive in word or tone. If a reader found it to be either their problem is internal, not with me."
Oh okay. If I call your wife a "jigaboo" I haven't said anything offensive, right? It's her problem if she thinks it is! That's how it is when you rant on and on about fags and dykes. But to give the dickhead his due, you HAVE refrained from using those words for about two weeks. You want a cookie for that? I haven't gone around calling people faggot since middle school. That's about a DECADE.