Suggests Dec 13, 2012 at 11:00 am

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does anyone know who is organizing this event? id like to get in touch...
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The Army Corps of Engineers is organizing this process, since (I gather) it will be their decision. This is part of a series of "scoping" meetings that will help determine what impacts they assess in their EIS for the project.

More information here: http://www.wwfor.org/latest-news/coal-tr… (I don't know anything about wwfor.org, but I find this page filled with helpful details about the meeting and submitting feedback)
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Please join us after the hearing at the Baltic Room for the Soul Train NOT Coal Train Dance party! Doors open at 6:00
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Before you become yet another screechy Seattle NIMBY, consider the following:

1. China will keep on building coal plants, buying and burning more and more coal, whether Seattle likes it or not(unless you are willing to either go to war, or have them build a whole lot more Nuke plants).

2. The proposed trains in dispute are intended to transport coal sold to China, sales which would mean a large reduction in Your debt to China (that's right- that massive trade-deficit debt is backed by You, your kids, your house and backyard).

3. The coal to be sold to China is a lower-sulphur variety than what they are burning now(i.e., less nasty, less polluting, less global warming incurred).

SO, what's it gonna be, Seattle NIMBY COALition?:

1. WW3- Yay!
Uncle Sam wants You to ENLIST Now, so we can start building the 10-million strong military we will need to invade China, stop their dirty coal-burning ways, and renege on our national debt.

2. MO Nukes- maybe us Yanks can reduce our trade deficit by helping China build a bunch more nuke plants...who cares what all those Fukushima Japanese think?

3. Move to Cascadia! Yes that's right folks- avoid the rush and buy your mountain homestead Now, before it's too late and all that high-sulphur coal burning has melted all the glaciers, raised the sea levels, and caused the evacuation of Seattle...
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Communities north of Seattle (yes, there is life outside the city limits, and plenty of it by the way) are going to be very adversely impacted by these trains. My family is going to be very negatively affected if this proposal goes through.

I don't give a rat's patoot about China or high- or low-sulpher coal or political/environmental ideology.

I want them stopped because of the adverse effect they are going to have on the small communities they will be going through. I want them stopped because the trains themselves will pose not only a nuisance, but a genuine danger in some areas right here in Washington State.

NO COAL TRAINS.
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The Sierra Club is organizing those opposing the coal trains. There will be a rally at Freeway Park at 2 p.m., before the hearing, which begins at 4 p.m.
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For someone so obviously well-prepared, Czar PutinRasputin @3, if those are the best justifications you can come up with, that's a pretty sorry statement of just how economically, environmentally, and ethically challenged this whole coal-to-China scheme is.

Quick question too. Why have you hidden your activity?
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I have asthma and I am thinking of the youth and the elderly who struggle with breathing problems like I do. And that asthma was caused by SMOG from living in Los Angeles for so many years. I moved to Seattle to be able to BREATHE again.

So I dont give a flying whoop about China. They should invest in wind and solar energy. Not our problem.

SO says this deer hunting, salmon fishing nature loving HUNTER. I dont want coal soot on my elk hides thank you very much.
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Mayor Mike McGinn's strategy is brilliant. He is getting a report that will actually break down the economic cost to the people of Seattle of having these coal trains pass through our waterfront in terms of transportation problems, loss of productivity (i.e. excess traffic), noise pollution, environmental pollution, public health etc. He will compare the costs of this project to the alleged economic benefit that Washington State will receive from it.

If you actually consider how much 18 mile-long coal trains a day will devalue our city and our waterfront- not to mention all of the city property tax revenue we will lose when property costs plummet in our most expensive downtown areas- this project makes no economic sense. If the coal company had to fully compensate the citizens of Seattle as well as the citizens of every town along its path there is no way that the company would even consider this idea. The only reason they are even raising this idea is because they think we will just roll over and use our limited tax money to clean up their mess. If you do one thing this month please go to this meeting and stand up for our city. Thanks.
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Down with coal trains in our communities! Up with workers' rights! On your way to testify, instead of waiting in line, if you get bored, to support Seattle hotel workers... join us down the street at the Grand Hyatt at 4:30: https://www.facebook.com/events/54535326…
Hotel workers will thank you. Hotel owners will be mad.
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@9 :
yours is the type of thoughtful, intelligent response one would hope to see in a debate on this topic.

Unfortunately, the rest just smack of the sort of knee-jerk NIMBY myopia that is so easily dismissed by government and industry.

Hypothetically let us say, for example, that the industry devised a way to transport coal via covered, dust-free rail cars; would there still be such opposition?

And the others better start giving a rat's ass about China soon, because pretty soon China will own your ass. Your mortgage is currently held by bankers who are betting the house in a Macau casino.

to inquisitive little @7 cressona
you seem to like to make habit of thinly-veiled accusations using same question against others...
haha why are you trying to spy on KGB?
We are the silent professionals.

P.S. NSA says your Facebook is Boring, needs more PRoN.
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And a MAJOR downer for all the pro coalers bussing in people hellbent on totally wasting our beautiful state, sugar-coating their evil propagandic plan with lies about "Good Jobs Now"!

Coal is a step backward. China's people are unhealthy because of their dependency on a proven cancer-causing fossil fuel. By caving to Big Coal, we would be fucked over not once, but TWICE from MORE pollution returning to the West Coast from Southeast Asia. We are still getting radioactive debris on our shorelines from the nuclear meltdown in Japan from 03/04/11!!

Stop the coal trains and Tar Sands XL Pipeline!!!
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@11: You're not from anywhere around here, are you?

Unfortunately your gurgling diatribe smacks of big industrial waste for big profits and blatant corporate greed. Don't tell me, let me guess---you're also some kid easily led on by The Grinning Man in the Expensive Suit.
We're All Supposed to Die of Toxic Waste Now Because The Billionaire Said So.
Well, bullshit! How much are Gateway Pacific Terminal and Burlington Northern Santa Fe paying you to spread your raw sewage?
Additionally, you are woefully misinformed as well as paranoid. China doesn't "own" my ass! Not all of us have homes on mortgages, either. Before spewing any more non-sensical propagandic garbage, I suggest you stay clear of the FOX Network, and make sure you've really gotten the facts straight.

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