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I hope I'm wrong about this. I find it appalling that artists providing work that has a quantifiable payoff for a business get stiffed.
When artists do work like this it is not an "opportunity" as so many business owners assume. It is quite clearly a mutually beneficial relationship, and like any business deal, the artists should be compensated.
There's been a number of stories featured on BelltownPeople.com about the project. Also a couple flickr sets of the work in progress.
Here's an article we featured at the end of July on the Hostel;
Here's some great flickr sets of the work in progress;
Do you have a financial or other interest in this business?
Do you have any knowledge on weather or not the artists were paid?
If not, can you elaborate on why this business did not compensate these workers? And also please explain why these hard-working artists aren't worth a reasonable wage.
After all, I'm sure the front desk clerks and janitors are compensated. Why not the artists? Is their skilled labor worth less than the receptionist?
Those rooms are rooms that only rich old people could love.
As for the artists - I don't know, shoot them an email. All 47 of them signed up to do this. Lee (the guy who runs it) is an awesome guy and really wants to expose these artists to a larger audience.
Just an example, each month the lobby gallery will feature one of the artists who painted a room.
Another example - bands will get to stay for free at the hostel if they do an acoustic set that will be free to the public.
You should really swing by and ask some questions though, get to know Lee. He'd be happy to show you around.
NKO and I declined the “opportunity” to paint this hostel because we felt the owners of were taking advantage of the artists.
“Opportunity” and “exposure” are words that people use to take advantage of artists.
And if you want exposure, simply create meaningful art and contact Juxtapose yourself. That’s how NKO and I do, and it works just fine.
Perhaps next time you could identify yourself. I never understand why people are afraid to identify themselves when posting…Otherwise you run the risk of looking cowardly.
It seems like people are getting very wrapped up in the "promise of exposure does not replace pay" argument. But really, this project has already been reviewed in almost every local new source, and many more blogs, and the hostel is not even officially open yet. Having created one of these rooms has gotten me personally more local press attention than almost every group show I have participated in. It has also gotten me other commissions. Now, I could have spent the same two weeks working on new art pieces to sell, or low profile paid commissions, neither of which would have gotten reviewed, but in the long run it seems like a good gamble to participate in a community project that will be in the public eye for years to come. Really, can you say the payoff for being in yet another small-time First Thursday or Capitol Hill artwalk show compares? And most of the time, artists at the start of their careers show in coffee shops and restaurants, which are also businesses that benefit from having free artwork enrich their space. Of course, it would have been nice if some of the press for the Hostel had come out before opening night, but c'est la vie.
The other reason I have not seen mentioned yet for why this was worth doing, and of particular interest to me, was that the project had a complete lack of censorship. The way I see it, the payoff was "we don't pay you, but here's a room, and you get to do whatever you want. Really, whatever you want, no strings attached." I think I actually prefer a setup like this to "Here's $200, but our investors want you to paint..." In fact, if there had been content requirements and rules, I would not have even thought about doing this. My room was much more feminine and in many ways tame than some of them, but it still contained a nude figure that I most likely could not display in even a coffee shop. But you do do not get an entire room as a canvas every day - to me it was a chance to create my own environment without having to worry at all about whether it would be sell-able or appropriate.
I think its very easy for already established artists to point out the unfairness of this arrangement. But we all start out somewhere, and like I said, this has already opened enough doors for me to not regret being involved one bit.
Hmm, it ate my link for some reason last time...
But all my photos are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/candygears/…
And I wrote some more about it while the project was under way here: http://candygears.livejournal.com/11280.…
I also love that you featured Carlos & Sierra, they're room was such an amazing concept!
- soule -
It seems that you agree that artists should not get paid for jobs like this. The problem I have with this situation is that it fucks up the artists that are trying to live off of their craft. Why should the next guy not come along and expect to have their business painted for free?
Hey it's exposure!!!!! Believe me that when you come to the point in your career that you no longer will do anything for "Exposure" you will think back on this and wonder what you were thinking.
If I feel like volunteering my time to Habitats for Humanity, I do NOT feel like I'm undermining the local construction scene. It's my choice to do a good thing, and if anyone criticizes me for that...well they're a bunch of greedy jealous assholes.
Sorry to hear about the payment aspect, but still, I loved the idea and love the execution of translating art into living spaces especially hostels.
I wasn't involved in this project, but I know a bunch of folks who were, and I didn't hear a single complaint from any of them about the way they were treated. Street art is a funny business - 99% of the time you're doing subversive work in unapproved places, and many of the people who encounter it would sooner arrest you than pay you for what you've done. It's cool that the Hostel people appreciate the art and the artists enough to give them free reign in their hallways. It was a cool and unusual opportunity to participate in something memorable.
Joe, If you're still reading this, how much did the same artists get paid for the Tubs project? Or the Motel in Fremont? Of course it's an added bonus when money is going around, but this kind of work is very rarely about getting paid. Plenty of street artists are just happy to have a chance to do their thing without the threat of police sirens over their shoulder.
It seems to me the artists who participated did it gladly and willingly - is that true? Do any of them regret it? Redd points out that her exposure was some of the best she's had, and the trade off may come in the form of money later but that's not necessarily the point of the project now.
Is it too much to ask that Seattle engages in a participatory community that has fun and involves us - artists and non-artists alike- in projects not necessarily for-profit, but towards the end of bringing art into the world for, I don't know, the sake of fun, enjoyment, creativity, and art?
@12 Aren't you an NKO taggers turned street artists? Never seen pics of either of your faces or your real names so... And NKO + all got paid well for the Marion apts so maybe that is a factor in the opinion.
ps. dear mr. scratchmaster, what issues of juxtapoze are you in, i'd love to check out your stuff?