i like how the podcast intro and exit music is by colum sands, ex-bandmate of the famous jews pete seeger and joan baez

also like how the moderator (sic) pronounces anti-semites "anti sea mites"

not terribly fond of sea mites myself

Brad Davis (306,307),
Well, at least you call him Charlie. That’s nice. But maybe you’re one of his defenders in disguise. I’ll presume you mean your words. It’s so bazaar that you site this wonderful interview (perhaps the best so far) of Charlie’s reality as an example of him being a Nazi or Neo-Nazi. He excels in this interview in stating his case and hanging Graves for her poor and incomplete research and reporting of the facts. Graves has shown that the liberal agenda can come on as a mighty fascism buoyed by the hope of a weird species of progressive righteousness. She has played the old intellectual con game of changing the subject quickly to avert the reader to something else. She hastily moves to claim that what matters is not the artist or his work anymore but an importantly deep curatorial deep insights about how the artist new beliefs change the meaning of his works. Of course she hasn’t proven this at all but initiated a bevy of international modern media copy cats wallowing in the sensationalism. And you, calling up the old rubric of guilt by association jump to the conclusion that Charlie is what he is not, and believes what he doesn’t believe as witnessed to by this interview. It might be instructive for the explosion of liberal media bigots to really listen to the interview you have selected. In it the interviewer describes Charlie as not one of them and Charlie can be quoted as saying:
“…I believe there was a lot of Jews and others killed in the holocaust. It’s not that I didn’t believe it didn’t happen.”
The liberals here, who are supposed to believe in the respectful importance of an open minded conversation in which we listen to and spend time reflecting on what another has said could do well to listen to the very interview you view as condemnatory. It doesn’t follow that because Charlie appeared on this site that he is one of them. Get real for Christ sake.

Well, we all know what artists think of critics (of every stripe).

You didn't 'out' him, you have merely made him more famous (and collectable) than any controversial piece he could have come up with.

Congratulations.

@309, Context, how does that work.

...fucking goyische nonsense.

If he's truly an artist, he's pulling a Kaufman. Laying on another layer of irony....

(If not, he has dementia.)

Oh, Jesus, he's associated with Laibach? I saw Laibach once, and a more pretentious bunch of inept, arrhythmic, clanking, tuneless Euro wankjobs you could not imagine. I believe they had painted themselves silver. They were not just bad music, but ANTI-music (and that's coming from someone who appreciates Throbbing Gristle). It was TERRIBLE, in a way that SNL's "Schprockets" "touch my monkey" Dieter could never even approach. Seriously: pure unadulterated shit.

There was quite a lot of this is-he-or-isn't-he flirtation with Nazi imagery in the New Wave scene back in the day, going back to Joy Division, who were pub tossers, not Nazis, but had a devoted following who took the armbands and haircuts a little too seriously. There were some of these jerkoffs in Seattle, too. Unlike Joy Division, none of them ever made five seconds of interesting music -- and certainly not Laibach. Who were horseshit.

If Krafft has ever spent a moment associating with Laibach, he's a zero. Full stop. Far beyond "Marxism" or "Fascism" that's just bad art. Worse than bad art: stupid art.

The furor over Krafft to me suggests that something is deeply wrong not with Krafft (though that appears to be true as well) or his art but the art establishment that bought it. If you wake up in a dumpster with monkey shit on your teeth, it's not the monkey's fault.

phil campbell's new post at huffington is remarkable.

the gouged-out eyes thing was originally demonstrated to charles in his sculpture class at lakeside when he was about 14, by walter froelich, a spectacularly empathetic art teacher, unjustly unsung.

morris graves had a most beautiful beard.

charles also had a sensational beard: morris graves

The best of us are hard to figure out. We want easy answers. Recently, a friend showcased his poetry based on the terror which erupted inside him after he visited the holocaust sites in Germany. He didn't stop writing for years on the subject.

That's what art is for, to try and understand something. As terrible as Krafft's exploration might be, he's not in advertising or making propaganda. He's making art.

The truths about the gas chambers and all of it is terrible but I always remind my poet friend that in America we stand on the bones of native people and this is our genocide. Here in America, we are a different kind of denier.

@313, Yeah, there is something wrong with the art world. There are a lot of things wrong with the art world. I believe this particular issue has arisen from an art world that has almost solely judged art on its physical appearance since Greenberg, Adorno, and Horkheimer midcentury, which has produced a culture, particularly on the commercial side of things, where paying attention to things like context is peripheral. The art world is also particularly slow at giving attention to distasteful aspects of artists who generate money, attention, or both. It's not a shock at all that someone like Krafft could slip through, when the issues that make Krafft such a problem aren't really being filtered for. The current furor, which I think has a lot to do with a feeling of having been conned for a very long time, does point to a number of cultural changes that should happen in the art world. I'm not sure they will. I'm not sure they could happen even if it was revealed that Damien Hirst and Charles Saatchi regularly met to dine on kittens. The present model is too good at making money to really change. That said, none of this absolves Krafft.

@315, We used to read Krafft's work as satire of fascism, as tearing into Hitler, as making an ironic statement. It's no less ironic now, but the target is apparently something different, seemingly the importance we place on the Holocaust, the respect we hold for those who survived the camps, and our loving memory for those who did not. We always knew Krafft was tipping sacred cows, now we just know in which direction. And its gross. Really fucking gross. And it expresses a sentiment that puts my people in physical danger. And it comes from a person who expresses much more completely a variety of sentiments that have seen my people hounded across the planet with inquisitions, crusades, pogroms, and expulsions. Just because what Krafft has produced is art, real honest to god art, does not mean it has to be given respect or placed on a pedestal. (Hey, @313, there's another problem with the art world; art gets treated as holy, and beyond the criticism of mortals). That America was built on genocide is a red herring, and by no means suggests we should give attention to artists who say we should think "Holocaust? no biggie!"

@313: The news here is that Laibach was good theater (IMO) just really, really heavy handed. And Krafft had a sads that they weren't actually as Nazilike as his jerkoff dreams allied with.

White Supremacists apparently aren't good with gallows humor, which is strange considering how Krafft's work was portrayed initially.

Yes, 318. Neo-Nazis like you and Krafft are members of a hate group.

Mr Crafft Must be laughing going on his way to the bank.He's not only denying his adherence to an ill movement but also promoting his art motivated to a social group.

He's on with the Nazi AGAIN. That's twice in one week!

http://northwestfront.org/2013/03/radio-…

@320: "Yes, yes, dance my [Jew] puppets! Buy my art! Controversy!"

The problem here is that the audience who would be interested in his work just dwindled to the few white supremacists who cross over into the "art lover" demographic, Vincent Gallo, and Gavin McInnes.

There's plenty of controversial art out there that's fascinating, but it plays at concepts. When the artist is an avowed out and proud white supremacist, there's no flirtation with the darkness, it's just a series of symbols of hate that belong int the SPLC's collection.

Soap rendered from Jewish fat and lampshades made of Jewish skin never existed. It was Propaganda, lies from a wartime psyops department.

The reason there are skeptics who refuse to accept at face value any and all propaganda and "survivor" stories under the all inclusive umbrella "holocaust" is not because of antisemitism, but rather a failure of Jewry to use plausible lies in fooling the stupid, inbred, trailer trash Goyim.

How dare the dumb Goyishe cattle ask questions.

I used to like Charles Krafft's art until I found out that he wasn't a Jew. His being a Goy changed the meaning of his art for me.

Only We Jews can trivialize Our Holocaust.

By, the way, I am having Hitler teapots with "Never Again" caption mass produced in China...They will be available at MOMA museum store by next Purim.

untrue. ken russell to witness the difference between creepy and funny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu-KncLqD…

@240
The book you cite, _A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century_ is a known hoax dating to the 1950's; thanks for playing.

@ "Brad Davis" aka Harold Covington, Seattle's biggest, self-described Nazi, @ 321:
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Fellow Seattlers must be proud that Mr. Krafft and you are comrades. They can learn more about your long history of black ops and political sabotage here, Mr. "Brad Davis":

http://noncounterproductive.blogspot.com…

Together, you give a bad name to serious-minded students of National-Socialism.

Perhaps all the rich art buyers who praised and purchased his work should get together, hold a night rally, and burn all of Mr. Kraffts work?

This so called creature 'Kraft; is a disgrace to mankind. He is a nasty nazi.
Of course we lost 6 million of honest jewish people in the holocaust, there is a tremendous amount of German paperwork to prove it. A full list of 6 million names.
Do not say this figure is wrong, if anything its a little lower.
send Kraft to his grave.