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AND THE BATTLE RAGES ON.
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In Reddit terms, here is the TL:DR of this article.

"All you newcomers, unless you're a struggling under-appreciated artist or a persecuted against homosexual then stay the fuck out of Capitol Hill because you're a popped collar wearing bigot that is definitely going to commit a hate crime and kill art."
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"Barely any of the comments address the homophobia, sexism, and racism pointed out in the poster campaign"

Perhaps you should have a poster campaign that calls out the hip hop community for their homophobia, sexism, and racism. They contribute to it more than bro culture does. Perhaps continuing to blame one type of person for all the ills in the neighborhood will not make people of that sort more compassionate. I don't blame them. It was not a bro type who tried to firebomb Neighbours, was it? Many of those involved with anti-gay and sexist behavior are, like I said above, more associated with hip hop culture. Any reason why there are no PSA's addressing the shitty behavior from that community?
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Is that Tom Brady?
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If you actually want to see the posters rather than just read descriptions of them, Seattle Weekly ran a piece about this the previous week.
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Ugh, is it really tech nerds committing the hate crimes? Usually it seems to be people from out of town who come up for the weekend, or Udub bros. where's the evidence that it's tech nerd committing this crimes? I am sadden every time a hate crime is committed on the hill and it must be a safe place, but the bringing of "bros" to the hill start before Amazon started its latest hiring blitz. As this paper has pointed out a number of times, hill bar promoters started to promote to the weekend crowd (including the stranger and it's bro fest the bloc party) and that brought with it a number of problems.

Is the current tech boom responsible for the rent increase? Yes (although many in the tech community support rent regulations and weren't the assholes the voted for fucked up initiatives [including voting down the Seattle commons]). Is there mysgonism/racism in the tech community, for sure (although there's also racism and mysgony in the art community, I didn't hear any out cry demanding those performing in yellow face should leave the hill or are ruining the hill, they just got called out on performing in yellow face, as they should have been).

But are the hate crimes happening because of tech nerds or are tech nerds just an easy target because the culture of mysgony and homophobia goes much deeper?
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Fridays and Saturdays are so full of douchebags that I pretty much take 12th to Pony and don't venture any further into the Pike/Pine corridor. Can't wait 'til the straights go find a new neighborhood to make their night spot, a la Pioneer Square and Belltown before this.

Also, can a straight person please explain Rhino Room to me? What is the draw, and why the lines of people halfway around the block just to get into it?
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@11:

I don't know that there's really all that much to explain it, aside from the inevitable "hot new spot" herd mentality that seems to take over the weekend hordes whenever a new place opens up. I expect many of them have already started migrating over to Stout across the street, and you'll see the velvet rope-and-stanchions disappear from RR in a matter of weeks, just as the hype has generally died down for any of the other recent openings in the neighborhood.
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@6 - So, what you are saying is that we should be sure to pay attention to non-white bros, because you are sure the white bros are not responsible? I'm reading the right words between the lines now, right?
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The expectation that neighborhoods are going to remain static seems unreasonable. Add that with a bit of old man "back in my day" rhetoric, and all of this brouhaha seems ridiculous. Just expect that things are always morphing into something else - sometimes for the better sometimes for the worse, and mostly just toward "not the same."

There's some quote that goes something like "the past/history is like a foreign country." I hate change because it does seem foreign at times, but I expect it. Being all Don Quixote is just going to age you faster.
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Posters brought to you by the CapHill nimby squad.
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Meanwhile in Ballard... Our little block has two lesbian couples, a gay guy, a few non citizens, and now a tech dude who's $980,000 megahouse replaced our resident oddball's old Craftsman. Nobody has really shunned Mr Techguy, but maybe that's because we haven't been given the opportunity since he doesn't care to associate with us.
LGBT people and gentrification aren't unique to Capitol Hill.
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@13 I don't think there is such a thing as a non-white bro, any more than there are non-white frat boys. I certainly can't picture any of the self-righteous types who go on and on about bros and bro culture calling a black guy a bro, or a black frat brother a "frat boy."

Bro, like frat boy, douchebag, and jock, are code for and slurs against straight white males. I've certainly never seen any credible definition of bro/bro culture with any content to it beyond 'the type of straight white guy I don't like.' See also: brogrammer (straight white male tech worker who is neither overtly nerdy nor a social justice warrior).
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@17 "I've certainly never seen any credible definition of bro/bro culture with any content to it beyond 'the type of straight white guy I don't like.'"

So what you're saying is that you've never been on the SE corner of 10th and Pike on a Friday or Saturday night?

Also, you don't think there is such a thing as a non-white bro? You're being facetious, right?

I'd love to know what part of Capitol Hill you live in to be able to think that (assuming you weren't joking).
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To have an article about bro-fection without mentioning belltown is problematic.
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@18 You know I've lived up her for 25 years. And the suburban Bro's are honestly no more obnoxious and idiotic when drunk than the civil war beard hipster lumbersexuals are. The bro's have merely recently reached a numerical parity with their hipster brethren. Add to that the abjectly violent gun-toting gangsta wanna-be's and you have that perfect storm of swarms entitled drunk douchebags overwhelming the area.

But honestly I can't blame them. It's a "build it, and they will come" type scenario.

I mean, fuck. The Hill, my home for over two decades, has added nothing but fucking bars on top of bars to four square blocks for the last ten years.

And we're SURPRISED that drunk twenty somethings show up and vomit and fight and get robbed and say hateful shit?

It's what they DO.
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Has anyone else noticed the number of yummy office girls that have taken over Capitol Hill?

It definitely has improved the views.
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Why are we supposed to just smile and nod at a blatantly bigoted poster like the one used as a thumbnail for this piece? So white guys that enjoy football and beer are universally hated now? I thought this city was really excited about their football team and wants equality and respect for all? Hmm.
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You're wasting your time
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I sat on the front lawn of a house near Garfield high school with a 20 something white guy as the night approached probably 2 or 3 am one night about ten years ago. He had been beaten and robbed and was in a state of mild shock. I had chanced upon him just moments after the incident occurred and could even see his assailants perhaps a block and a half away sauntering along. I recognised them, they and other acquaintances of mine had just recently been bare knuckle boxing atop the famed pyramids (Medgar Evers) for sport as was our play.

I told him, "you really shouldn't be out here bro." Why? Because he shouldn't have been (then the police came and I self interest took me elsewhere). I grew up to stories of how blatantly afraid white people were to be in the Central District in the 70's 80's and 90's. Older generations of residents lamented our inability to protect our neighborhood from affluent invaders. We lost.

Truthfully I do hope you will not lose the historic and iconic traditions of Capitol Hill that make that neighborhood far more interesting then say, South Lake Union, but I fear for you. It's now a hill far steeper then the Pike Pine corridor to climb.
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So did some more digging online, and the reports I could find from the capitol hill blog seem to show that the violent hate crimes have been committed by homeless people, drug dealers, and those with extreme religious beliefs (usually first/second generation immigrants from countries that have anti-gay views), and Bros.

I hate, hate hate that this stuff is going on on the hill. Capitol Hill should be a safe place for the LGBT community. And I'm sure white men are part of the problem. But the problem is more then just "bros" and by ignoring this we aren't helping anyone.

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demonstrate the role art can play in shaping personal reflection and community action? That is what is wrong with artists today. Instead of shaping personal reflection, they want to demonstrate the role art can play in ...

While I acknowledge that the hill has changed, it is pretty silly to get all upset about gentrification, and try to tie it to hate crimes. They are pretty different things.

Ultimately, I just have to say that I lived on the hill between 30 and 20 years ago. It ws awesome and I consider myself lucky to have lived in a place that was cool and also cheap. Sadly, that is no longer the case. And while there are plenty of fine people who live there 15 and 10 and 5 years ago and now, they are gentrifiers to me and the people I knew and they drove up rents and changed the character of the hill and moved there because me and the people I knew, but more importantly the people that were there before me had made it cool. So, get over it. You and your silly posters are just dumb. And by the way, geurilla artists used to just put up their art and no one knew who did it. It was not about self promotion on twitter and facebook. You don't really get the concept of geurilla art, do you?
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That neighborhood went to shit when most of the people complaining about it going to shit now moved in 15 or 20 years ago. You put enough bars all within walking distance then coax them over from the Eastside for the Capitol Hill Block Party every Summer to show them how fun it is, and then you are surprised when they start showing up every Friday and Saturday night.

I'm not going to whine about the old days, things change and evolve, you adapt. And for me that means enjoying Capitol Hill's bars and restaurants Sunday-Thursday and going to Ballard, Georgetown and other neighborhoods on the weekends that aren't inundated with Buffy and Bif.
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There is a bit of irony in that the poster creators themselves are the sort of creative class types that have caused the changes in the first place. Their promotional, very glossy methodology shows them to be what they detest.
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This is fucking embarrassing.

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