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March 12, 2009
My husband and I have been together for about four years and have been married for a little over a year. He's 31; I'm 27. We started out as friends and soon began a long-distance relationship, until I got pregnant. We have a great friendship, and honestly I wouldn't want to be with anyone else. Here's our problem: I have the sex drive of a 16-year-old boy, whereas he's practically asexual. The fact that we even got pregnant is quite shocking.
Early on, it didn't bother me much—infrequent sex is common in long-distance relationships—but now that we're married, he would still rather jack off to porn. I'm not hideous. I'm in great shape, my "amazing ass" gets hit on all the time, and I'm an open-minded, porn- loving girl—but my husband isn't interested. LAME. The sex he does give me is quasi-forced, strictly missionary, and at most three times a year. But the solo sex he has in front of the computer while I'm at work happens three times a week at least. LAMER.
The topic has been discussed often. Especially after I go out with friends and come home at an indecent hour, upon which I must explain that I spent the night being chatted up by blokes who noticed my "amazing ass." He's admitted that his sex drive has been a problem in his previous relationships. I guess I'm just getting to the point where one of these days, I'm going to fuck a minor-league soccer team. Any thoughts?
Sexless And Desperate
Your husband—who is beating off three times a week in front of the computer—is interested in sex, SAD. He's just not interested in sex with you or anyone else he's ever been with. But ultimately, the issue here isn't sex. It's about neglect and selfishness and false advertising. (When we marry, we're signing up to fuck someone at least semiregularly for decades. Not interested in fucking? Don't marry.) Since he's unlikely to change his ways—his stunted, sexually selfish ways—you have just two options: an open relationship or a new relationship.
Considering your compatibility and the fact that you have a child, I'd encourage you to stay together. So an open relationship it is—and he shouldn't have a problem with that. If sex doesn't matter to him, if he's indifferent to sex and/or you, then it shouldn't matter to him if you occasionally do this supremely unimportant thing with other people and/or minor-league soccer teams. So long as you're a good and loving partner and coparent, and so long as your family is your first priority, you should be free to seek safe, sane, and nondisruptive sex elsewhere. Added perk for him: no more quasi-forced sex with you.
And who knows? Maybe knowing that you're having sex with other dudes—or just knowing that you can have sex with other dudes—will cause your husband to develop a bad case of sperm-competition syndrome (Google it), and the husband will be inspired, fucking you three times a week instead of his fist.
I'm 21, female, and pretty experienced. The guy I'm dating now is 23 and a virgin. I'd really like to avoid some of the awkwardness that I'm sure is going to arise, seeing as I'm his first. (And has arisen—the first time we attempted to do the deed, he was so nervous he couldn't stay hard; he also thought he was "in" when, in reality, he was humping my leg.) I'm at a loss. Obviously this is going to take a lot of communication in the moment; aside from that, do you have any advice for how to make this less awkward for both of us?
First Isn't Really Sexy Time
Mess around a few times—at least a half a dozen times—with vaginal penetration off the menu, ratcheting down the performance anxiety for your boy. Once he's seen that, yes, his dick does work—yes we can get hard, yes we can stay hard, yes we can blow a load with a woman in the room—then you can move on to vaginal intercourse. And take control, FIRST: Tell him—as sexily as possible—what you're going to do before you get started, tell him what you're doing while you're doing it, and then you can tell him when he's "in" instead of letting him guess.
And, finally, a little required reading for the virgins out there and the people who are about to fuck some sense into them: The Virgin Project. Illustrators K. D. Boze and Stasia Kato interviewed all sorts of people—gay, straight, bi; young, old, ancient—about their loss-of-virginity experiences. The illustrated stories in The Virgin Project are moving, hilarious, and heartbreaking in turn—sometimes all three at once—and knowing that everyone's first time is awkward, and that some folks' first times are unpleasant, and that most of us survive them, might be good for your virgin, FIRST. It couldn't hurt you to be reminded of those things, either.
I appreciated your responses to Missing Kisses and Loses Interest Quickly, and I would like to share what worked for me some years ago when I wanted to taste my own come but was hesitant—and I've got two follow-up questions for you.
My girlfriend (now wife), like LIQ's wife, was frustrated that my come-eating ambitions would disappear after climax. So we figured out a way for me to eat it before I climaxed: I masturbate into a ziplock bag and put it in the freezer. Then during our lovemaking session we retrieve the baggie—she feeds it to me in frozen chunks, or she lays the frozen pieces on her body and I lick it up as it melts, preclimax of course. Because of these baby steps, now on special occasions I even eat it "fresh" after I've come in her.
Two questions: Could home-frozen sperm—stored for 24 hours or so in a regular household freezer—impregnate my wife? And if so, is there a risk of birth defects or miscarriage? Also, we are interested in using my ejaculate as an ingredient in cooking—are you aware of any legit recipes that use human semen?
Coming Around To Cream Pies
Frozen spermsicles gross me out, CATCP, and I arrive at this debate with a real affection for the stuff. So I can't imagine your idea will catch on, even among guys like you and LIQ. Another reader had a better idea: a little tantric woo-woo. "Through specific breathing patterns and concentration, you can make yourself come without ejaculating; or you can ejaculate a little and still be hard," writes Mr. F. "I can bring myself to a 'mini-orgasm' where I just slightly come on my girlfriend's tits, go right back to riding her again, and tease her by licking a bit off. She loves it."
As for your questions...
"Sperm frozen in a household freezer would probably be useless for insemination," says David E. Battaglia, an associate professor at Oregon Health & Science University and a fertility consultant. "The issue isn't genetic damage (there probably wouldn't be any). The issue is sperm survival. Sperm has to be frozen in special solutions in order to survive, and we freeze it in liquid-nitrogen temperatures."
And while I've never cooked with sperm—if it's not in Mark Bittman's How to Cook Everything, it was either meant to be eaten raw or not at all—there's a cookbook out there for you: Natural Harvest: A Collection of Semen-Based Recipes.
Not everybody likes what "everybody" likes.
"Semen is not only nutritious, but it also has a wonderful texture and amazing cooking properties. Like fine wine and cheeses, the taste of semen is complex and dynamic. Semen is inexpensive to produce and is commonly available in many, if not most, homes and restaurants."
Restaurants? RESTAURANTS????
It'll be available if you REALLY piss off your servers. TIP WELL, FOLKS!
Get your husband to the gym. Have him lift weights. The health benefits are great, but it will also do wonders for his libido.
Not sure on that advice to SAD. I believe the issue here is more about porn addiction and convenience. I am like her guy actually.
When I was single, I got used to jack off to porn at least once a day. It became almost like a daily routine without which I could not fall asleep easily. It's convenient, no commitment to any girl, your decide the timing, no work to be done except to yourself -> it's selfish of course.
After I got into a relationship with my lovely fiancee, we fucked around every day - for like a month or two. After that I got back into my regular jack-off-porn mode (addiction?) and guess what, we had less and less sex because i did not have enough energy to do it 7 times a week for myself plus 5 times a week together with her. I think my fiancee is gorgeous, great shape and everytime I see a girl like her on the street, i feel like fucking that girl right there. However in the relationship, doing for myself was so much more convenient than with her, hence i continued to neglect her until we put it on the table on spoke about it.
Now I convince myself (-> conscious thought) to go to bed without jacking-off some days, and horray, my sex drive with her suddenly increased again. Every guy jacks-off to porn, but I think one needs to manage the frequency and do not let it become a selfish habit that drains too much energy.
A good chat with her guy is maybe what SAD needs. Ultimately though, it will be her guy that decides with his reaction what SAD should do. Though if SAD has had that chat already, I guess your advice is spot-on.
Another alternative is for you to take control. Many guys - including some gay guys - get turned on by being dominated by a woman. It'll certainly get his mind a long way from performance anxiety, which is what you want since it tends to be self reinforcing.
That doesn't mean that freezing things is a way of sterilizing them, but if you're looking to preserve the sperm, this is the exact wrong way of doing it.
I hope I'm wrong, I hope Dan's right, I hope everything works out for SAD. I just got a vibe.
What a total crock of bullshit. There's no specific breathing patterns or concentration required, dipshit. You get to a point where you're just about to come, you stop, hold off for a few seconds, then give just enough extra stimulation to come a little bit - usually not more than what would be in pre-come. And voila, you're still hard.
Save this made-up tantric bullcrap for your next YMCA class, where you can bastardize other Oriental traditions.
It would explain why he still jacks off- it feels good- but why he can't muster the enthusiasm to actually fuck her. Still doesn't excuse the fact that he didn't tell her, especially if he knew about it from previous relationships.
It's no different than when depression makes it difficult to leave the house. You can still go to work, but doing something that intellectually you know would be fun just isn't worth the effort.
Masturbation would take the edge off quickly without the effort it takes to actually have sex.
I agree with the posters who get a bad vibe from SAD's husband of a little more than a year who won't have sex with her, just beats off to porn. I think this guy is depressed (and probably a closet gay); is depressed at now being married-with-child and wants O U T. Wonder if he's a Republican?
The Tantric and Eastern traditions come in when you try to orgasm without ejaculation. Many Eastern cultures believed that ejaculation was actually harmful to the health: we now know this isn't true, but the orgasm techniques they developed can lead to greater sexual pleasure and more/longer orgasms. When you can orgasm without ejaculation, you can have more orgasms, and each one can last longer, leading to more pleasure.
DEAR SAD: Yes, maybe he's depressed, but don't let the possibility distract you from making him deal with his behavior.
I considered myself practically unsquickable. (Licking your jizz off your girlfriend? Practically vanilla.)
But slurping frozen spunkcicles? That made me shriek. I read the whole thing with both hands clamped over my mouth. Why it's sexy-hot when it's fresh and warm and gaggy-gross when frozen, I have no idea.
has a great chapter on the first time.
FIRST, I've sorta been in your shoes. My now-husband was a 23-year-old penetration virgin and I was a 21-year-old newly single mom when we started dating. We spent months (well, three) doing everything but "it". By the time we finally had penetrative sex, we were experts in making each other orgasm in a variety of ways and we were desperate to fuck each other senseless (no stage fright). I think Dan's advice was good... take penetration off the table for now and take the time to really figure out each other's hot buttons.
Go now and never look back.
However - it doesn't just sound like SAD misses *sex*; it sounds like SAD misses *sex with this guy*, which an open marriage won't solve. I agree that depression or laziness could be a factor, but what about performance anxiety or shame issues from childhood? If he thinks sex is "dirty," then porn and masturbation are a way of taking care of his needs almost in secret, and not dirtying the woman he loves. If he's been belittled in previous relationships, he could have very low self-esteem in bed, and think that if he had sex with this hot woman with the amazing ass who all the other guys keep hitting on, she'd be totally underwhelmed and leave him, so he avoids it as much as possible. In that situation, his wife bragging about how much other guys want her could actually be making the problem *worse*.
You should come to Fremont on the 21st.... we can share a good laugh over the frozen popcans in the tundra.
Baggies of sperm?
Really.
I hadn't thought of that.
Well, I guess that's one way to shake up the "proteen" enablers.
Check out www.thevirginproject.com for a list of retailers. Or you can order it straight off the website.
p.s
please dont' stay away from the midnight cuban roast, because whatever that aioli sauce is made of..it has to have crack in it. just like Frites!
Yes Toodels, I DO eat my own cum, AND my partners. Do you need anyone to eat yours?? I agree with many of the posts.... it's best when it's hot and fresh.
You may have a fine ass indeed, but contrary to popular belief most men need more than that for intimate relationships. Divide your relationship up into threes. Look and yourself, look at him, and look at the dynamic of what you create together. I am more empathy for you husband really. I was in a relationship where my sexual interest was pretty much lost as well. For me, it had to do with past sexual abuses and the dysfunction of the relationship I was in. Little did I know the lack of sexual interest with people and compensating with fantasy was just a coping mechanism. Fortunately, I was able to work through that (eventually with help) into a wonderfully satisfying sex life. The best sex I ever had! Glorious wonderful sex mmmm….I digress. If that is the case with your husband than I hope you will show him some support and sympathy. Hell, get some help at Shepherds Services in Seattle. It is one of the few male-positive places I found. Anyway…if it is like my experiences your husband need less judgment and more support….Labeling him as selfish and stunted is truly ignorant and misandrist.
SSDD
Peace,
Colin
Also, I disagree with you that asexuals shouldn't marry--what right does anyone have to deny them that right? So long as everyone involved is honest about expectations, I don't see why they couldn't.
Third, after a few of these massage sessions, so that he knows what gets you hot, and where your parts are, make love with the lights on, on top of the sheets. Or better yet, you be on top. That way you know it'll go where and when you want it to go.
Make it fun, and relax!
Please please tell me this is something you set up to promote saddlebacking - it's the 7th google response when you search 'christ.' If not, it's horrifying.
http://www.sexinchrist.com/
It's going to be tough eating salad forever. Thanks a lot
xo
Rants, Thoughts & Merde
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Although I'm female, I can see how it would be difficult on one's first go round to tell if your penis is inside your partner. But, geez wouldn't you look down at some point?
FIRST doesn't include that much detail so I realize that what I'm about to say is pure speculation, but I'm detecting a lack of hand and eye involvement which suggests a squeamishness about body parts and sex.
I'm no swinger and my tastes run to the vanilla but even early on in my sex life, if my partner were mistakenly humping my leg I would have lent a guiding hand to get penetration going. Having had the benefit of learning about sex just before the rise of the Christian right and the Reagan revolution took hold, this kind of stuff was less of an issue for me, my sexual partners and my friends.
I'd wager that her husband either isn't attracted to her because he's actually gay or is uncomfortable with emotional intimacy (more on that later). If he were truly asexual he wouldn't be jerking off to internet porn. I agree w/ other posters who've said that it would be helpful to know what kind of porn he's looking at as it might (emphasis on might here) explain what's going on. I would only advocate snooping as a last resort though. I think SAD should ask him about it first.
The standard line these days is that people who have kids should stay married for the sake of the kid(s). Maybe that's correct, I don't know, I'm not a parent. In any case, something's got to give.
Since this is an ongoing issue for her husband, he would benefit from therapy. A letter can only reveal so much, but from what SAD has written, it sounds like he might have difficulty w/ the intimacy associated with sex with someone you love and live with (i.e. the contempt bred from familiarity, pimples, bad breath, cellulite, nose hair, farts and all, or, more importantly, the buzz-killing vulnerability of being soclose to someone who knows all your weaknesses and could hurt you). He might be also be a sexual abuse survivor.
That said, it would be a good experiment for SAD to suggest that they view porn together and see what happens. If any of the above I mentioned is true, this suggestion might get a good conversation going.
Damn, that's funny. Thanks for the laughs!
"RESTAURANTS???"
It's not that different than a girl I know who habitually does it only when drunk, only in the dark, and only once or twice with the same guy before moving on. She's only comfortable interacting with men on certain levels of intimacy while avoiding other levels of intimacy. Obviously the levels are different for SAD's guy, but I suspect the underlying psychology is the same.
My wife and I used to do this when she was young enough to have periods. I had no problem keeping my steam up to enthusiastically go down on her, but sometimes she would have orgasmed so intensely by the time I went down on her that SHE was the one who ran out of steam...it was part of my yogic practice that this was my only orgasm of the month, which may have had something to do with it. My experience is that, until I had a fairly well developed meditation practice, I had no way to deal with the energy generated by becoming sexually aroused and not coming...but that's another topic, and I've gone on long enough...
PS you have to do this when the woman's period has just started, or she COULD get pregnant....
I always thought open marriages are at their best when the primary couple are at the top of their game with respect to each other and the extras act as a spicy complimentar activity. It is a shame that people are often lured into extramarital sex when marital sex is crap and use it as a replacement with result that the marriage is subject to rapid destructive testing. Perhaps that is the point here, cut to the chase - kill or cure
I am not sure the quitters are solving anything by moving on whenever their current situation proves wanting.
I always am amazed when people say that companionships/ marraiges are meanigful and rewarding on so many levels and sex is only one of them. Girls will often be quick to defend this view. Yet when the sex goes wrong the standard (almost) presumption is to torch it all!
Getting it together 24/7 after a long distance courtship is going to be bloody hardwork for both them.
My tip, for what it is worth, is to build trust and communicate. It is not easy. You have got to de pressure the situation. Get professional help. It takes time. You will know you are getting somewhere when he feels comfortable fully sharing his pornographic fantasies with you (and vice versa). You will find it is very hard and will catch yourself witholding information because you don't know if they can handle without becoming judgemental. The key is trust! And trust takes time.
My wife and I have recently started turning a corner having seen sex marginalised to rock bottom whilst we had kids (3, 2& 1 yo). Until December we only had a 1 bedroomed flat!! As a counter argument to the porn addiction people, are you sure that you have got the direction of causality correct!! My wife and I both found that when actual sex was dysfunctional we compensated by masterbating more. We are only finding this out now. She used to do it during her long luxurious baths and me whilst on the loo or computer. It is the economy of effort (quick simple and uncomplicated) as well as much less likely to disturb the kids.
We are now getting it back sexually as a couple. We have made breakthroughs in our ability to communcate sexually. Last night for the first time in nine years my wife was confident enough in me and our marraige to say that she has occassionaly and momentarily used lesbian fantasies to get her over the edge to orgasm.
Re: FIRST. I had massive issues with my first time and still don't get on well with the missionary postion. My best is girl on top. I've never been able to see it going in from the missionary. I never get convincing penetration or rhythm in the missionary and most often go off the boil sooner than come. Esp if, as girls are apt to do, they keep their feet and legs on the bed rather than up behind their ears!!
BTY, to Sexless...I married (and divorced) a piece of shit like you did and am pretty sure he is a sexually stunted pedophile and closeted head case. This behavior is not normal and is a symptom of something pathologic. Watch out!
i think the wife should insist the husband abstain from porn for a while. He should make a serious attempt to stay off his drug of choice- and bone his wife instead. After a while, he will recondition himself. (It took us a few months to work through the issue.)
While I am not not 'anti-porn' per se-- I am very 'pro marital sex'. Anyone has a right to expect a healthy sexual relationship with their married partner. The wife should demand this, rather than allowing her husband to deny her.
Virgins – both of you have to cum before having intercourse. Those are the rules. Even if it takes months. Because if you (okay, he) isn't willing to work for that, he probably won't be willing to do it once you're fucking missionary stylez.
Thanks to your enlightening me on the subject of semen-based recipe books, I will never again be able to think of the term "natural harvest" without grimacing.
And yet...I had to google it. Turns out there's a sample recipe from the book floating around out there. It is a smoothie made with soy milk, bananas, and kiwi fruit (plus the sine qua non, jizz). Imagining the taste of this shake almost provoked a natural-harvest reaction of my own (sure hope nobody wrote a book with recipes based on THAT).
Then, in the middle of the night, I awoke and it hit me: kiwis and bananas, hahahahaha. Let me guess what some of the other recipes might be:
* Sausages and meatballs Alfredo
* Hot dogs a la king
* Vanilla-iced crullers and donut holes
* Baked zucchini with risotto parmesan croquettes
So my question to you is, "Do you think this book is for real? What kind of name is Fotie Fotenhauer, anyway?"
Simultaneously grossed out and in hysterics,
Suspicious (of) Phallic Urges Near Kitchen Yogurt
Have you Googled yourself lately? A narcissist like you? Why am I asking? Of course you have! So you know that anyone who Google your name will know you are an asshole!
You didn't mention that you are in default on around 40 or your "investment properties" in you self serving post. Karma is a bitch.
I must suspect similar issues.
Her partner is depressed for sure, and may have other issues and fears surrounding sex. He is most likely not gay or helpless. Deep inside he wants a good sex life too. It may be that they don't have good chemistry with sex and he doesn't know what to do about it. He feels shame and she feels horny.
I know, because I have been that guy. I can say that his issues may come and go, but it is possible for them to go away if he tries do deal with them. #56 speaks the truth about it.
SAD should talk to her husband. They can try to find a way to make things work -at least in the short term. Other posters suggested many ways to do this including Dan's open marriage suggestion or making porn with him. I suggest to boost his confidence and help him feel safe. He must be willing to deal with those issues and fears and the depression for things to work. If her honest and direct efforts fail and her husband is not doing his part, only then may it be appropriate for her to seek a new partner.
It sucks to be with a partner with problems or to be the guy with problems. Life isn't fair, but it can be good. I wish her the best of luck and congratulations on that ass.
> Thanks sheila
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> How difficult has it been to find a solid answer or solution to your question? - Very Difficult
> Why, specifically, would getting a solid answer or solution be important to you? How, specifically, would it change your life?
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> I want this relationship to be full of trust, and to be a healthy one...I have come to a point in my life where I have found someone who is compatible and enjoys life the way most people should. I want to be there no matter what and work on our relationship with our selves and on each other.Hes brought so much fullness into my life he is a bonus and I know he feels that way also.
Of course it is a well known FACT that any man who "casually" mention that another man has an inferior (ie smaller) penis 100% confirms that he is covering up worry about his own penis size.
But here is the thing, isn't it enough that people have to be subjected to your balding head and greasy nasty ass pony tail not to mention the idiotic costume complete with red cowboy boots you parade around town in?
Then I read about your going 103 mph in a 55 mph zone resulting in your being arrest for a DUI. Since we all already know that you don't think that rules or laws apply to you this was not big news. What was shocking is find out you are only 42 years old. Amazing, you don't look a day under 55. I once heard you say "it gets easier after you make your first million" so why do you look like shit? And not just regualr shit but old shit?
Now, as if I have not suffered from to much Kip Schoning information already , I read your tiny penis comment. Well, at least it was short. Even briefly considering what secrets (besides your tiny dick) you might be hiding under your idiotic clown cloths makes me want to pull out my own eyes.
So fuck you for ruining my day.
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