Your mouth is an input for many things. If the prostate was the male g spot then all guys, gay and straight, would want something in their butt. It's not happening. Most women doing anal are doing it because their guy wants them to. He wants a tighter fit than the vagina. It's an insult to her. Gay men taking it in the butt think it's their vagina. The top suffers no damage, it's the bottom that get's a ruined rectum. As for HIV in the US, it's still primarily gay men afflicted.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.…

The term men who have sex with men (MSM) refers to all men who have sex with other men, regardless of how they identify themselves (gay, bisexual, or heterosexual). In the United States, HIV and AIDS have had a tremendous impact on MSM. Consider these facts:

AIDS has been diagnosed for more than half a million MSM. Over 300,000 MSM with AIDS have died since the beginning of the epidemic.
MSM made up more than two thirds (68%) of all men living with HIV in 2005, even though only about 5% to 7% of men in the United States reported having sex with other men.

In a 2005 study of 5 large US cities, 46% of African American MSM were HIV-positive.
Since HIV/AIDS in MSM was first diagnosed in 1981, gay and bisexual men have been leaders in dealing with the challenges of the epidemic. Gay organizations and activists, through their work, have contributed greatly to many of the guidelines for prevention, treatment, and the care of people living with HIV/AIDS.

For complex reasons, HIV/AIDS continues to take a high toll on the MSM population. For example, the number of new HIV/AIDS cases among MSM in 2005 was 11% more than the number of cases in 2001. It is unclear whether this increase is due to more testing, which results in more diagnoses, or to an increase in the number of HIV infections. Whatever the reasons, in 2005, MSM still accounted for about 53% of all new HIV/AIDS cases and 71% of cases in male adults and adolescents.

It's also really something that as much as most men worship their penises,(most heterosexual men are gay,they hate women for no rational reasons,they exclude women from everything,the whole male dominated sexist,gender dived,gender stereotyped society,woman-hating society is one big male club,they prefer men in everytrhing except f*cking women,and they discriminate againstwomen for 1,000's of years)they want to stick it in the most germ contaminated place in the human body!

Most men would probably f*ck a mini toilet with Sh*t in it if it served their penis pleasure.Actually every time they have sh*thole sex they are f*cking a mini toilet!

Also a poster on here said that Dan Savage often puts down women's genitals so he is a common woman-hating heterosexual guy who worships his penis and just likes to use women's vaginas to serve and please his penis that he worships.

Also Pulitzer prize winning Science writer Natalie Angier explained in her best selling book,Woman An Intimate Geography that gynecologist Sharon Hillier says that even though there is a common unfortunate myth in our society that women's vaginas are "dirty" infact a normal healthy vagina is the cleanest space in the body and it's much cleaner than the mouth and much much cleaner than the rectum.The vagina unless it has an infection,has healthy bacteria in it,called lactobacilli the same healthy bacteria that is in yogurt.

DR.Hillir says that a healthy vagina is as clean and pure as a carton of yogurt.We don't sh*t out of our vaginas!Also in 1994 there was a major sex survey from around the country and people could answer anyomouslyand only about 1% of straight people said sh*thole sex was something they wanted to do or did and liked doing.Most surveys,studies and testimonies from women say they don't like Sh*thole sex,and many say it's uncomfortable at the least and painful at the most.

But there are also quite a few women who have said that after their boyfriends or husbands saw women portayed in pornography as if they want and enjoy it,and normalized and sexualized in it,they kept pressuring them or forced them to do it and they hated it and it was painful.

And there is nothing prudish about not liking or wanting sh*thole sex,because there isn't anything erotic about sh*t or the Sh*thole it comes out of every day!

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I tried to post before my most recent comment that I noticed I made some typing mistakes in my first post and I really wish there was an edit button on here!

To the posters Caralaine and John Horstman who rightfully pointed out how gross semen is,

And most men think blood and menstrual blood is gross but blood isn't that gross at all,it's just a thin red liquid that keeps us all alive. But semen is totally gross many men and women on different message boards have said so too and called it penis snot(with 300 million sperm cells in it!).And since a lot of men think blood is gross,I'd like to know if all of these men who love to watch men ejaculating semen on women's faces & bodies & who love to do this to women in their lives,would like to see the men in pornography with menstrual blood smeared all over their faces,bodies & in their mouths,& to have women do this to them too.Oh but most would think this was gross & degrading! On a site Vegan Porn posted in 2004 the topic was Does Pornography Objectify Women and a woman posted claiming that she loves to watch porn with her boyfriend but that when they ejaculate on the woman's face she has to turn away.She said semen has the consistency of snot and she said seeing something of that consistency on someone's face or in someon'es mouth is gross and it reminds her of children with snot running down their noses.

A guy said thanks a lot for the comparison. And a woman who had posted a little while before saying if a woman wants a man to ejaculate on her face what is so bad,now was disgusted and said Oh that comparison of semen and snot,she said she would never be able to get that out of her mind and she said arrg! And another woman said most women don't want this and find it degrading and disgusting.And a man had posted on there saying he liked to watch some genuine lesbian pornography not the fake made for heterosexual men.And he said does anyone else here feel that the one thing that is shown in all heterosexual pornography no matter what,the ejaculating on the face,is the most horrendeous thing to ever come from man? He said something like it treats women as if she's they guy's property and he said it treats the women as if she's his slut and therefore He HAS NO Problem What So Ever Ejaculating All Over Her Face. He said more women are accepting it now because pornography itself has become more acceptable and mainstreamed,but he said this is nasty.

There was a 1993 study by a psychologist and other researchers I think from the University of California I found online years ago and they asked men and women about pornography and most women said that pornography sexually subordinates women,and the authors of the study said that the penis is worshipped in pornography(as it is in the whole male dominated sexist,woman-hating society) and semen is glorified.

Has anyone on here ever read any of the excellent books by acclaimed radical feminist psychologist Phyllis Chesler? When I wrote to Gloria Steinem when I was 22 she wrote me back a great response and suggested I read Women And Madness by Phyllis Chesler and that I would find that it made me feel less alone.

I was only 7 when that book came out and I had never heard of her, so I read it and it's great powerful information as are her other books that I went on to also read, her great book About Men, which came out in 1978, and (Gloria also gave a great review on the cover) and I read it about 15 years ago for the first time. She interviewed 100's of men and many of them were married. In her chapter called Wombless Men, she has pictures of sculptures and paintings by famous male artists like Salvador Dali, and Michaelangelo etc and she demonstrates and talks a lot about men's subconscious fear and envy of the womb and men's (crazy!) hatred of women. 1 of her references in her extensive bibliography is psychiatrist Wolfgang Lederer's 1968 book, The Fear Of Women in he which explained the same things.

She also has a chapter called Phallic Sexuality and in the beginning of it she has a little boy interviwed by a Dr.Richard Green about Sexual Idenity Conflict in Children and Adults and he was asked if he ever wished he had been born a girl, and he said yes. Dr.Green asks him why does he wish that, and the little boy says, girls they don't have to have a penis. The doctor says they don't have to have a penis? The little boy then says they can have babies. The doctor then says to him why do you think girls don't have to have a penis?

And the little boy says Cause they have to have babies ... and babies can't come out of a penis... babies come out of a vagina... The doctor then says to him , your penis gives you a nice feeling doesn't it? You're not scared of it when it gets big and stiff are you ? The boy says no. The doctor says good ! It's supposed to do that when you tickle it. That's one big advantage for being a boy cause girls can't do that you know. The boy says Um hum. The doctor then says to him, sure they can have babies but only boys can have a penis stand up like that.

In the beginning of her chapter Wombless Men she has woman hater Freud interviweing a 5 year old boy patient and Freud says to him, But only women have children. Hans the little boy says he's going to have a little girl. Freud says you'd like to have a little girl.Hans says yes next year I'm going to have one. Freud says to him but you can't have a little girl. Hans says, Oh yes boys have girls and girls have boys. Freud says, boys don't have children only women ,only Mummies have children. Hans says, but why shouldn't I ? She also says in the chapter,On having A Penis and she interviewed 100's of men about having a penis,that female blood regularly shed,reminds men of their "castration" fear,and that it also reminds them of their deeply repressed desire to *bear* children and of their inability to do so.She also says in the chapter,Wombless Men that male science,male alchemy,is partially rooted in male uterus envy,the desire to be able to create something miraculous out of male inventiveness.However,men in science have carried us all to the brink of total planetary,genetuc and human destruction,repressed and unresolved uterus-envy is a dangerous emotion.

She also has a chapter on Pornography and Other Male Sexual Fantasies. And she says in the chapter Wombless Men that it is no accident that books of pornographic or erotic art are also the source of many expressions of womb envy. In Dr.Chesler's great 1994 book, Patriarchy Notes Of An Expert Witness she explains that both wife beaters and serial killers of women were addicted to pornography. She also explains that serial killers are mainly white male drifters obsessed with pornography and woman-hatred who sexually use their victims, either before or after killing them and who were themselves *paternally* abused children, and as adults they scapegoat not fathers but mainly women , sometimes children , sometimes male homosexuals who are seen as "feminine" or vulnerable. She then says that serial killers may be responsible for the daily and permanent , disappearance of 1000's of prostituted and non-prostiuted women each and every year all accross the US.

She also talks a lot about how sadly, women have been taught to hate themselves and each other because of the crazy male dominated woman hating society! She has many good reviews for her book, Woman's Inhumanity To Woman which I also want to read.

Also in 1997 ( I also wrote to Dr. Chesler at this time and she wrote back a note and sent me some articles she had written) I spoke with her secretary who was in her 50's or early 60's and she told me that she read several chapters in one of Dr. Chesler's books, and that it was very interesting. I told her that I read several of her whole books. I said to her how unreal and crazy it is that men hate women for *no* rational reasons and that they are born and nurtured by *women* that their mothers are *women* and that most women have been kind to their sons, husbands and to men in general even though they have hated and discriminated against us, and have been doing all of these horrible injustices to women for 1000's of years ! And she said, it's crazy and unreal but it's true!

In 1994 I wrote to psychiatrist Dr.Linnea Smith(who has an excellent informative site on the harms of pornography including Playboy) about my experience and the harms of pornography. She wrote me back a very nice note and thanked me for my important efforts to educate people on the harms of porn. She sent me two huge folders full of important information on the harms including Playboy cartoons of women being sexually harassed in the workplace by their male bosses and child abuse cartoons!

One of the many things she sent me was a transcribed lecture by forensic psychiatrist and law professor Dr.Park Elliott Dietz, and this lecture was given before the National Conference of State Legislators on August 5 1986 and was videotaped by C-Span. Dr. Dietz served as a commissioner on the Attorney General's Commission on Pornography. He was professor of law,professor of Behavioral Medicine and Psychiatry,and Medical Director of The Institute of Law,Psychiatry and Medical Director of The Institute of Law,Psychiatry and Public Policy at The University of Virginia School of Law and School of Medicine.

He gave many examples of women and children's testimonies who were sexually abused by men who used pornography,and also women who were sexually harassed on the job with pornographic pictures hung up on the walls and shown to them. He said he only used a small sample of the 1000's of women and children who testified. He says many times that pornography is a health problem and human rights issue and he said one of the reasons is because so much of it teaches false,misleading,and even dangerous information about human sexuality.

This is what he said a person would learn about sexuality from pornography, "A person who learned about human sexuality in the "adults only" pornography outlets of America would be a person,who had never conceived of a man and woman marrying or even falling in love before having intercourse,who had never conceived of two people making love in privacy without guilt or fear of discovery,who had never conceived of tender foreplay,who had never conceived of vaginal intercourse with ejaculation during intromission,and who had never conceived of procreation as a purpose of sexual union.,

Instead,such a person would be one who had learned that sex at home meant sex with one's children,stepchildren,parents,stepparents,siblings,cousins,nephews,nieces,aunts,uncles,and pets,and with neighbors,milkmen,plumbers,salesmen,burglars,and peepers,who had learned that people take off their clothes and have sex within the first 5 minutes of meeting one another,who had learned to misjudge the percentage of women who prepare for sex by shaving their pubic hair,having their breasts,buttocks or legs tattooed,having their nipples or labia pierced,or donning leather,latex,rubber,or childlike costumes,who had learned to misjudge the proportion of men who prepare for sex by having their genitals or nipples pierced,wearing women's clothing,or growing breasts.

Who had learned that about 1 out of 5 sexual encounters involves spankning,whipping,fighting,wrestling,tying,chaining,gagging,or torture,who had learned that more than 1 in 10 sexaul acts involves a party of more than 2,who had learned that the purpose of ejaculation is that of soiling the mouths,faces,breasts,abdomens,backs,and food at which it's always aimed,who had learned that body cavities were designed for the insertion of foreign objects,who had learned that the anus was a genital to be licked and penetrated,who had learned that urine and excrement are erotic materials,who had learned that the instruments of sex chemicals,handcuffs,gags,hoods,restraints,harnesses,police badges,knives,guns,whips,paddles,toilets,diapers,enema bags,inflatable rubber women,and disembodied vaginas,breasts,and penises,who had learned that except with the children,where secrecy was required,photographers and cameras were supposed to be present to capture the action so that it could be spread abroad.

He said if these were the only adverse consequences of pornography,the most straightforward remedy would be to provide factually accurate information on human sexuality to people before they are exposed to pornography,if only we could agree on what that information is,on who should provide it to the many children whose parents are incapable of doing so,and on effective and acceptable means by which to ensure that exposure not precede education. In the absense of such a remedy,the probable consequences in this area alone are sufficient to support recommendations that would reduce the dissemination of that pornography which teaches false,misleading or dangerous information about human sexuality. And these are not the only adverse consequences of pornography.

He then says before he gives more examples and research,that pornography is a health problem and human rights issue because it increases the probability that members of the exposed population will acquire attitudes that are detrimental to the physical and mental health of both those exposed and those around them,pornography is a health problem and human rights issue because it is used as an instrument of sexual abuse and sexual harassment.

And look where we are now!

Posted by Your Name Here on April 20, 2010 at 10:45 AM
Your comments I tried to post before my most recent comment that I noticed I made some typing mistakes in my first post and I really wish there was an edit button on here!

To the posters Caralaine and John Horstman who rightfully pointed out how gross semen is,

And most men think blood and menstrual blood is gross but blood isn't that gross at all,it's just a thin red liquid that keeps us all alive. But semen is totally gross many men and women on different message boards have said so too and called it penis snot(with 300 million sperm cells in it!).And since a lot of men think blood is gross,I'd like to know if all of these men who love to watch men ejaculating semen on women's faces & bodies & who love to do this to women in their lives,would like to see the men in pornography with menstrual blood smeared all over their faces,bodies & in their mouths,& to have women do this to them too.Oh but most would think this was gross & degrading! On a site Vegan Porn posted in 2004 the topic was Does Pornography Objectify Women and a woman posted claiming that she loves to watch porn with her boyfriend but that when they ejaculate on the woman's face she has to turn away.She said semen has the consistency of snot and she said seeing something of that consistency on someone's face or in someon'es mouth is gross and it reminds her of children with snot running down their noses.

A guy said thanks a lot for the comparison. And a woman who had posted a little while before saying if a woman wants a man to ejaculate on her face what is so bad,now was disgusted and said Oh that comparison of semen and snot,she said she would never be able to get that out of her mind and she said arrg! And another woman said most women don't want this and find it degrading and disgusting.And a man had posted on there saying he liked to watch some genuine lesbian pornography not the fake made for heterosexual men.And he said does anyone else here feel that the one thing that is shown in all heterosexual pornography no matter what,the ejaculating on the face,is the most horrendeous thing to ever come from man? He said something like it treats women as if she's they guy's property and he said it treats the women as if she's his slut and therefore He HAS NO Problem What So Ever Ejaculating All Over Her Face. He said more women are accepting it now because pornography itself has become more acceptable and mainstreamed,but he said this is nasty.

There was a 1993 study by a psychologist and other researchers I think from the University of California I found online years ago and they asked men and women about pornography and most women said that pornography sexually subordinates women,and the authors of the study said that the penis is worshipped in pornography(as it is in the whole male dominated sexist,woman-hating society) and semen is glorified.




Has anyone on here ever read any of the excellent books by acclaimed radical feminist psychologist Phyllis Chesler? When I wrote to Gloria Steinem when I was 22 she wrote me back a great response and suggested I read Women And Madness by Phyllis Chesler and that I would find that it made me feel less alone.


I was only 7 when that book came out and I had never heard of her, so I read it and it's great powerful information as are her other books that I went on to also read, her great book About Men, which came out in 1978, and (Gloria also gave a great review on the cover) and I read it about 15 years ago for the first time. She interviewed 100's of men and many of them were married. In her chapter called Wombless Men, she has pictures of sculptures and paintings by famous male artists like Salvador Dali, and Michaelangelo etc and she demonstrates and talks a lot about men's subconscious fear and envy of the womb and men's (crazy!) hatred of women. 1 of her references in her extensive bibliography is psychiatrist Wolfgang Lederer's 1968 book, The Fear Of Women in he which explained the same things.



She also has a chapter called Phallic Sexuality and in the beginning of it she has a little boy interviwed by a Dr.Richard Green about Sexual Idenity Conflict in Children and Adults and he was asked if he ever wished he had been born a girl, and he said yes. Dr.Green asks him why does he wish that, and the little boy says, girls they don't have to have a penis. The doctor says they don't have to have a penis? The little boy then says they can have babies. The doctor then says to him why do you think girls don't have to have a penis?


And the little boy says Cause they have to have babies ... and babies can't come out of a penis... babies come out of a vagina... The doctor then says to him , your penis gives you a nice feeling doesn't it? You're not scared of it when it gets big and stiff are you ? The boy says no. The doctor says good ! It's supposed to do that when you tickle it. That's one big advantage for being a boy cause girls can't do that you know. The boy says Um hum. The doctor then says to him, sure they can have babies but only boys can have a penis stand up like that.


In the beginning of her chapter Wombless Men she has woman hater Freud interviweing a 5 year old boy patient and Freud says to him, But only women have children. Hans the little boy says he's going to have a little girl. Freud says you'd like to have a little girl.Hans says yes next year I'm going to have one. Freud says to him but you can't have a little girl. Hans says, Oh yes boys have girls and girls have boys. Freud says, boys don't have children only women ,only Mummies have children. Hans says, but why shouldn't I ? She also says in the chapter,On having A Penis and she interviewed 100's of men about having a penis,that female blood regularly shed,reminds men of their "castration" fear,and that it also reminds them of their deeply repressed desire to *bear* children and of their inability to do so.She also says in the chapter,Wombless Men that male science,male alchemy,is partially rooted in male uterus envy,the desire to be able to create something miraculous out of male inventiveness.However,men in science have carried us all to the brink of total planetary,genetuc and human destruction,repressed and unresolved uterus-envy is a dangerous emotion.



She also has a chapter on Pornography and Other Male Sexual Fantasies. And she says in the chapter Wombless Men that it is no accident that books of pornographic or erotic art are also the source of many expressions of womb envy. In Dr.Chesler's great 1994 book, Patriarchy Notes Of An Expert Witness she explains that both wife beaters and serial killers of women were addicted to pornography. She also explains that serial killers are mainly white male drifters obsessed with pornography and woman-hatred who sexually use their victims, either before or after killing them and who were themselves *paternally* abused children, and as adults they scapegoat not fathers but mainly women , sometimes children , sometimes male homosexuals who are seen as "feminine" or vulnerable. She then says that serial killers may be responsible for the daily and permanent , disappearance of 1000's of prostituted and non-prostiuted women each and every year all accross the US.


She also talks a lot about how sadly, women have been taught to hate themselves and each other because of the crazy male dominated woman hating society! She has many good reviews for her book, Woman's Inhumanity To Woman which I also want to read.


Also in 1997 ( I also wrote to Dr. Chesler at this time and she wrote back a note and sent me some articles she had written) I spoke with her secretary who was in her 50's or early 60's and she told me that she read several chapters in one of Dr. Chesler's books, and that it was very interesting. I told her that I read several of her whole books. I said to her how unreal and crazy it is that men hate women for *no* rational reasons and that they are born and nurtured by *women* that their mothers are *women* and that most women have been kind to their sons, husbands and to men in general even though they have hated and discriminated against us, and have been doing all of these horrible injustices to women for 1000's of years ! And she said, it's crazy and unreal but it's true!



In 1994 I wrote to psychiatrist Dr.Linnea Smith(who has an excellent informative site on the harms of pornography including Playboy) about my experience and the harms of pornography. She wrote me back a very nice note and thanked me for my important efforts to educate people on the harms of porn. She sent me two huge folders full of important information on the harms including Playboy cartoons of women being sexually harassed in the workplace by their male bosses and child abuse cartoons!


One of the many things she sent me was a transcribed lecture by forensic psychiatrist and law professor Dr.Park Elliott Dietz, and this lecture was given before the National Conference of State Legislators on August 5 1986 and was videotaped by C-Span. Dr. Dietz served as a commissioner on the Attorney General's Commission on Pornography. He was professor of law,professor of Behavioral Medicine and Psychiatry,and Medical Director of The Institute of Law,Psychiatry and Medical Director of The Institute of Law,Psychiatry and Public Policy at The University of Virginia School of Law and School of Medicine.



He gave many examples of women and children's testimonies who were sexually abused by men who used pornography,and also women who were sexually harassed on the job with pornographic pictures hung up on the walls and shown to them. He said he only used a small sample of the 1000's of women and children who testified. He says many times that pornography is a health problem and human rights issue and he said one of the reasons is because so much of it teaches false,misleading,and even dangerous information about human sexuality.



This is what he said a person would learn about sexuality from pornography, "A person who learned about human sexuality in the "adults only" pornography outlets of America would be a person,who had never conceived of a man and woman marrying or even falling in love before having intercourse,who had never conceived of two people making love in privacy without guilt or fear of discovery,who had never conceived of tender foreplay,who had never conceived of vaginal intercourse with ejaculation during intromission,and who had never conceived of procreation as a purpose of sexual union.,



Instead,such a person would be one who had learned that sex at home meant sex with one's children,stepchildren,parents,stepparents,siblings,cousins,nephews,nieces,aunts,uncles,and pets,and with neighbors,milkmen,plumbers,salesmen,burglars,and peepers,who had learned that people take off their clothes and have sex within the first 5 minutes of meeting one another,who had learned to misjudge the percentage of women who prepare for sex by shaving their pubic hair,having their breasts,buttocks or legs tattooed,having their nipples or labia pierced,or donning leather,latex,rubber,or childlike costumes,who had learned to misjudge the proportion of men who prepare for sex by having their genitals or nipples pierced,wearing women's clothing,or growing breasts.


Who had learned that about 1 out of 5 sexual encounters involves spankning,whipping,fighting,wrestling,tying,chaining,gagging,or torture,who had learned that more than 1 in 10 sexaul acts involves a party of more than 2,who had learned that the purpose of ejaculation is that of soiling the mouths,faces,breasts,abdomens,backs,and food at which it's always aimed,who had learned that body cavities were designed for the insertion of foreign objects,who had learned that the anus was a genital to be licked and penetrated,who had learned that urine and excrement are erotic materials,who had learned that the instruments of sex chemicals,handcuffs,gags,hoods,restraints,harnesses,police badges,knives,guns,whips,paddles,toilets,diapers,enema bags,inflatable rubber women,and disembodied vaginas,breasts,and penises,who had learned that except with the children,where secrecy was required,photographers and cameras were supposed to be present to capture the action so that it could be spread abroad.



He said if these were the only adverse consequences of pornography,the most straightforward remedy would be to provide factually accurate information on human sexuality to people before they are exposed to pornography,if only we could agree on what that information is,on who should provide it to the many children whose parents are incapable of doing so,and on effective and acceptable means by which to ensure that exposure not precede education. In the absense of such a remedy,the probable consequences in this area alone are sufficient to support recommendations that would reduce the dissemination of that pornography which teaches false,misleading or dangerous information about human sexuality. And these are not the only adverse consequences of pornography.



He then says before he gives more examples and research,that pornography is a health problem and human rights issue because it increases the probability that members of the exposed population will acquire attitudes that are detrimental to the physical and mental health of both those exposed and those around them,pornography is a health problem and human rights issue because it is used as an instrument of sexual abuse and sexual harassment.


And look where we are now!

I tried to post before my most recent comment that I noticed I made some typing mistakes in my first post and I really wish there was an edit button on here!

To the posters Caralaine and John Horstman who rightfully pointed out how gross semen is,

And most men think blood and menstrual blood is gross but blood isn't that gross at all,it's just a thin red liquid that keeps us all alive. But semen is totally gross many men and women on different message boards have said so too and called it penis snot(with 300 million sperm cells in it!).And since a lot of men think blood is gross,I'd like to know if all of these men who love to watch men ejaculating semen on women's faces & bodies & who love to do this to women in their lives,would like to see the men in pornography with menstrual blood smeared all over their faces,bodies & in their mouths,& to have women do this to them too.Oh but most would think this was gross & degrading! On a site Vegan Porn posted in 2004 the topic was Does Pornography Objectify Women and a woman posted claiming that she loves to watch porn with her boyfriend but that when they ejaculate on the woman's face she has to turn away.She said semen has the consistency of snot and she said seeing something of that consistency on someone's face or in someon'es mouth is gross and it reminds her of children with snot running down their noses.

A guy said thanks a lot for the comparison. And a woman who had posted a little while before saying if a woman wants a man to ejaculate on her face what is so bad,now was disgusted and said Oh that comparison of semen and snot,she said she would never be able to get that out of her mind and she said arrg! And another woman said most women don't want this and find it degrading and disgusting.And a man had posted on there saying he liked to watch some genuine lesbian pornography not the fake made for heterosexual men.And he said does anyone else here feel that the one thing that is shown in all heterosexual pornography no matter what,the ejaculating on the face,is the most horrendeous thing to ever come from man? He said something like it treats women as if she's they guy's property and he said it treats the women as if she's his slut and therefore He HAS NO Problem What So Ever Ejaculating All Over Her Face. He said more women are accepting it now because pornography itself has become more acceptable and mainstreamed,but he said this is nasty.

There was a 1993 study by a psychologist and other researchers I think from the University of California I found online years ago and they asked men and women about pornography and most women said that pornography sexually subordinates women,and the authors of the study said that the penis is worshipped in pornography(as it is in the whole male dominated sexist,woman-hating society) and semen is glorified.

There are excellent books by acclaimed radical feminist psychologist Phyllis Chesler. When I wrote to Gloria Steinem when I was 22 she wrote me back a great response and suggested I read Women And Madness by Phyllis Chesler and that I would find that it made me feel less alone.

I was only 7 when that book came out and I had never heard of her, so I read it and it's great powerful information as are her other books that I went on to also read, her great book About Men, which came out in 1978, and (Gloria also gave a great review on the cover) and I read it about 15 years ago for the first time. She interviewed 100's of men and many of them were married. In her chapter called Wombless Men, she has pictures of sculptures and paintings by famous male artists like Salvador Dali, and Michaelangelo etc and she demonstrates and talks a lot about men's subconscious fear and envy of the womb and men's (crazy!) hatred of women. 1 of her references in her extensive bibliography is psychiatrist Wolfgang Lederer's 1968 book, The Fear Of Women in he which explained the same things.

She also has a chapter called Phallic Sexuality and in the beginning of it she has a little boy interviwed by a Dr.Richard Green about Sexual Idenity Conflict in Children and Adults and he was asked if he ever wished he had been born a girl, and he said yes. Dr.Green asks him why does he wish that, and the little boy says, girls they don't have to have a penis. The doctor says they don't have to have a penis? The little boy then says they can have babies. The doctor then says to him why do you think girls don't have to have a penis?

And the little boy says Cause they have to have babies ... and babies can't come out of a penis... babies come out of a vagina... The doctor then says to him , your penis gives you a nice feeling doesn't it? You're not scared of it when it gets big and stiff are you ? The boy says no. The doctor says good ! It's supposed to do that when you tickle it. That's one big advantage for being a boy cause girls can't do that you know. The boy says Um hum. The doctor then says to him, sure they can have babies but only boys can have a penis stand up like that.

In the beginning of her chapter Wombless Men she has woman hater Freud interviweing a 5 year old boy patient and Freud says to him, But only women have children. Hans the little boy says he's going to have a little girl. Freud says you'd like to have a little girl.Hans says yes next year I'm going to have one. Freud says to him but you can't have a little girl. Hans says, Oh yes boys have girls and girls have boys. Freud says, boys don't have children only women ,only Mummies have children. Hans says, but why shouldn't I ? She also says in the chapter,On having A Penis and she interviewed 100's of men about having a penis,that female blood regularly shed,reminds men of their "castration" fear,and that it also reminds them of their deeply repressed desire to *bear* children and of their inability to do so.She also says in the chapter,Wombless Men that male science,male alchemy,is partially rooted in male uterus envy,the desire to be able to create something miraculous out of male inventiveness.However,men in science have carried us all to the brink of total planetary,genetuc and human destruction,repressed and unresolved uterus-envy is a dangerous emotion.

She also has a chapter on Pornography and Other Male Sexual Fantasies. And she says in the chapter Wombless Men that it is no accident that books of pornographic or erotic art are also the source of many expressions of womb envy. In Dr.Chesler's great 1994 book, Patriarchy Notes Of An Expert Witness she explains that both wife beaters and serial killers of women were addicted to pornography. She also explains that serial killers are mainly white male drifters obsessed with pornography and woman-hatred who sexually use their victims, either before or after killing them and who were themselves *paternally* abused children, and as adults they scapegoat not fathers but mainly women , sometimes children , sometimes male homosexuals who are seen as "feminine" or vulnerable. She then says that serial killers may be responsible for the daily and permanent , disappearance of 1000's of prostituted and non-prostiuted women each and every year all accross the US.

She also talks a lot about how sadly, women have been taught to hate themselves and each other because of the crazy male dominated woman hating society! She has many good reviews for her book, Woman's Inhumanity To Woman which I also want to read.

Also in 1997 ( I also wrote to Dr. Chesler at this time and she wrote back a note and sent me some articles she had written) I spoke with her secretary who was in her 50's or early 60's and she told me that she read several chapters in one of Dr. Chesler's books, and that it was very interesting. I told her that I read several of her whole books. I said to her how unreal and crazy it is that men hate women for *no* rational reasons and that they are born and nurtured by *women* that their mothers are *women* and that most women have been kind to their sons, husbands and to men in general even though they have hated and discriminated against us, and have been doing all of these horrible injustices to women for 1000's of years ! And she said, it's crazy and unreal but it's true!

In 1994 I wrote to psychiatrist Dr.Linnea Smith(who has an excellent informative site on the harms of pornography including Playboy) about my experience and the harms of pornography. She wrote me back a very nice note and thanked me for my important efforts to educate people on the harms of porn. She sent me two huge folders full of important information on the harms including Playboy cartoons of women being sexually harassed in the workplace by their male bosses and child abuse cartoons!

One of the many things she sent me was a transcribed lecture by forensic psychiatrist and law professor Dr.Park Elliott Dietz, and this lecture was given before the National Conference of State Legislators on August 5 1986 and was videotaped by C-Span. Dr. Dietz served as a commissioner on the Attorney General's Commission on Pornography. He was professor of law,professor of Behavioral Medicine and Psychiatry,and Medical Director of The Institute of Law,Psychiatry and Medical Director of The Institute of Law,Psychiatry and Public Policy at The University of Virginia School of Law and School of Medicine.

He gave many examples of women and children's testimonies who were sexually abused by men who used pornography,and also women who were sexually harassed on the job with pornographic pictures hung up on the walls and shown to them. He said he only used a small sample of the 1000's of women and children who testified. He says many times that pornography is a health problem and human rights issue and he said one of the reasons is because so much of it teaches false,misleading,and even dangerous information about human sexuality.

This is what he said a person would learn about sexuality from pornography, "A person who learned about human sexuality in the "adults only" pornography outlets of America would be a person,who had never conceived of a man and woman marrying or even falling in love before having intercourse,who had never conceived of two people making love in privacy without guilt or fear of discovery,who had never conceived of tender foreplay,who had never conceived of vaginal intercourse with ejaculation during intromission,and who had never conceived of procreation as a purpose of sexual union.,

Instead,such a person would be one who had learned that sex at home meant sex with one's children,stepchildren,parents,stepparents,siblings,cousins,nephews,nieces,aunts,uncles,and pets,and with neighbors,milkmen,plumbers,salesmen,burglars,and peepers,who had learned that people take off their clothes and have sex within the first 5 minutes of meeting one another,who had learned to misjudge the percentage of women who prepare for sex by shaving their pubic hair,having their breasts,buttocks or legs tattooed,having their nipples or labia pierced,or donning leather,latex,rubber,or childlike costumes,who had learned to misjudge the proportion of men who prepare for sex by having their genitals or nipples pierced,wearing women's clothing,or growing breasts.

Who had learned that about 1 out of 5 sexual encounters involves spankning,whipping,fighting,wrestling,tying,chaining,gagging,or torture,who had learned that more than 1 in 10 sexaul acts involves a party of more than 2,who had learned that the purpose of ejaculation is that of soiling the mouths,faces,breasts,abdomens,backs,and food at which it's always aimed,who had learned that body cavities were designed for the insertion of foreign objects,who had learned that the anus was a genital to be licked and penetrated,who had learned that urine and excrement are erotic materials,who had learned that the instruments of sex chemicals,handcuffs,gags,hoods,restraints,harnesses,police badges,knives,guns,whips,paddles,toilets,diapers,enema bags,inflatable rubber women,and disembodied vaginas,breasts,and penises,who had learned that except with the children,where secrecy was required,photographers and cameras were supposed to be present to capture the action so that it could be spread abroad.

He said if these were the only adverse consequences of pornography,the most straightforward remedy would be to provide factually accurate information on human sexuality to people before they are exposed to pornography,if only we could agree on what that information is,on who should provide it to the many children whose parents are incapable of doing so,and on effective and acceptable means by which to ensure that exposure not precede education. In the absense of such a remedy,the probable consequences in this area alone are sufficient to support recommendations that would reduce the dissemination of that pornography which teaches false,misleading or dangerous information about human sexuality. And these are not the only adverse consequences of pornography.

He then says before he gives more examples and research,that pornography is a health problem and human rights issue because it increases the probability that members of the exposed population will acquire attitudes that are detrimental to the physical and mental health of both those exposed and those around them,pornography is a health problem and human rights issue because it is used as an instrument of sexual abuse and sexual harassment.

And look where we are now!

Your comments I tried to post before my most recent comment that I noticed I made some typing mistakes in my first post and I really wish there was an edit button on here!

To the posters Caralaine and John Horstman who rightfully pointed out how gross semen is,

And most men think blood and menstrual blood is gross but blood isn't that gross at all,it's just a thin red liquid that keeps us all alive. But semen is totally gross many men and women on different message boards have said so too and called it penis snot(with 300 million sperm cells in it!).And since a lot of men think blood is gross,I'd like to know if all of these men who love to watch men ejaculating semen on women's faces & bodies & who love to do this to women in their lives,would like to see the men in pornography with menstrual blood smeared all over their faces,bodies & in their mouths,& to have women do this to them too.Oh but most would think this was gross & degrading! On a site Vegan Porn posted in 2004 the topic was Does Pornography Objectify Women and a woman posted claiming that she loves to watch porn with her boyfriend but that when they ejaculate on the woman's face she has to turn away.She said semen has the consistency of snot and she said seeing something of that consistency on someone's face or in someon'es mouth is gross and it reminds her of children with snot running down their noses.

A guy said thanks a lot for the comparison. And a woman who had posted a little while before saying if a woman wants a man to ejaculate on her face what is so bad,now was disgusted and said Oh that comparison of semen and snot,she said she would never be able to get that out of her mind and she said arrg! And another woman said most women don't want this and find it degrading and disgusting.And a man had posted on there saying he liked to watch some genuine lesbian pornography not the fake made for heterosexual men.And he said does anyone else here feel that the one thing that is shown in all heterosexual pornography no matter what,the ejaculating on the face,is the most horrendeous thing to ever come from man? He said something like it treats women as if she's they guy's property and he said it treats the women as if she's his slut and therefore He HAS NO Problem What So Ever Ejaculating All Over Her Face. He said more women are accepting it now because pornography itself has become more acceptable and mainstreamed,but he said this is nasty.

There was a 1993 study by a psychologist and other researchers I think from the University of California I found online years ago and they asked men and women about pornography and most women said that pornography sexually subordinates women,and the authors of the study said that the penis is worshipped in pornography(as it is in the whole male dominated sexist,woman-hating society) and semen is glorified.




Has anyone on here ever read any of the excellent books by acclaimed radical feminist psychologist Phyllis Chesler? When I wrote to Gloria Steinem when I was 22 she wrote me back a great response and suggested I read Women And Madness by Phyllis Chesler and that I would find that it made me feel less alone.


I was only 7 when that book came out and I had never heard of her, so I read it and it's great powerful information as are her other books that I went on to also read, her great book About Men, which came out in 1978, and (Gloria also gave a great review on the cover) and I read it about 15 years ago for the first time. She interviewed 100's of men and many of them were married. In her chapter called Wombless Men, she has pictures of sculptures and paintings by famous male artists like Salvador Dali, and Michaelangelo etc and she demonstrates and talks a lot about men's subconscious fear and envy of the womb and men's (crazy!) hatred of women. 1 of her references in her extensive bibliography is psychiatrist Wolfgang Lederer's 1968 book, The Fear Of Women in he which explained the same things.



She also has a chapter called Phallic Sexuality and in the beginning of it she has a little boy interviwed by a Dr.Richard Green about Sexual Idenity Conflict in Children and Adults and he was asked if he ever wished he had been born a girl, and he said yes. Dr.Green asks him why does he wish that, and the little boy says, girls they don't have to have a penis. The doctor says they don't have to have a penis? The little boy then says they can have babies. The doctor then says to him why do you think girls don't have to have a penis?


And the little boy says Cause they have to have babies ... and babies can't come out of a penis... babies come out of a vagina... The doctor then says to him , your penis gives you a nice feeling doesn't it? You're not scared of it when it gets big and stiff are you ? The boy says no. The doctor says good ! It's supposed to do that when you tickle it. That's one big advantage for being a boy cause girls can't do that you know. The boy says Um hum. The doctor then says to him, sure they can have babies but only boys can have a penis stand up like that.


In the beginning of her chapter Wombless Men she has woman hater Freud interviweing a 5 year old boy patient and Freud says to him, But only women have children. Hans the little boy says he's going to have a little girl. Freud says you'd like to have a little girl.Hans says yes next year I'm going to have one. Freud says to him but you can't have a little girl. Hans says, Oh yes boys have girls and girls have boys. Freud says, boys don't have children only women ,only Mummies have children. Hans says, but why shouldn't I ? She also says in the chapter,On having A Penis and she interviewed 100's of men about having a penis,that female blood regularly shed,reminds men of their "castration" fear,and that it also reminds them of their deeply repressed desire to *bear* children and of their inability to do so.She also says in the chapter,Wombless Men that male science,male alchemy,is partially rooted in male uterus envy,the desire to be able to create something miraculous out of male inventiveness.However,men in science have carried us all to the brink of total planetary,genetuc and human destruction,repressed and unresolved uterus-envy is a dangerous emotion.



She also has a chapter on Pornography and Other Male Sexual Fantasies. And she says in the chapter Wombless Men that it is no accident that books of pornographic or erotic art are also the source of many expressions of womb envy. In Dr.Chesler's great 1994 book, Patriarchy Notes Of An Expert Witness she explains that both wife beaters and serial killers of women were addicted to pornography. She also explains that serial killers are mainly white male drifters obsessed with pornography and woman-hatred who sexually use their victims, either before or after killing them and who were themselves *paternally* abused children, and as adults they scapegoat not fathers but mainly women , sometimes children , sometimes male homosexuals who are seen as "feminine" or vulnerable. She then says that serial killers may be responsible for the daily and permanent , disappearance of 1000's of prostituted and non-prostiuted women each and every year all accross the US.


She also talks a lot about how sadly, women have been taught to hate themselves and each other because of the crazy male dominated woman hating society! She has many good reviews for her book, Woman's Inhumanity To Woman which I also want to read.


Also in 1997 ( I also wrote to Dr. Chesler at this time and she wrote back a note and sent me some articles she had written) I spoke with her secretary who was in her 50's or early 60's and she told me that she read several chapters in one of Dr. Chesler's books, and that it was very interesting. I told her that I read several of her whole books. I said to her how unreal and crazy it is that men hate women for *no* rational reasons and that they are born and nurtured by *women* that their mothers are *women* and that most women have been kind to their sons, husbands and to men in general even though they have hated and discriminated against us, and have been doing all of these horrible injustices to women for 1000's of years ! And she said, it's crazy and unreal but it's true!



In 1994 I wrote to psychiatrist Dr.Linnea Smith(who has an excellent informative site on the harms of pornography including Playboy) about my experience and the harms of pornography. She wrote me back a very nice note and thanked me for my important efforts to educate people on the harms of porn. She sent me two huge folders full of important information on the harms including Playboy cartoons of women being sexually harassed in the workplace by their male bosses and child abuse cartoons!


One of the many things she sent me was a transcribed lecture by forensic psychiatrist and law professor Dr.Park Elliott Dietz, and this lecture was given before the National Conference of State Legislators on August 5 1986 and was videotaped by C-Span. Dr. Dietz served as a commissioner on the Attorney General's Commission on Pornography. He was professor of law,professor of Behavioral Medicine and Psychiatry,and Medical Director of The Institute of Law,Psychiatry and Medical Director of The Institute of Law,Psychiatry and Public Policy at The University of Virginia School of Law and School of Medicine.



He gave many examples of women and children's testimonies who were sexually abused by men who used pornography,and also women who were sexually harassed on the job with pornographic pictures hung up on the walls and shown to them. He said he only used a small sample of the 1000's of women and children who testified. He says many times that pornography is a health problem and human rights issue and he said one of the reasons is because so much of it teaches false,misleading,and even dangerous information about human sexuality.



This is what he said a person would learn about sexuality from pornography, "A person who learned about human sexuality in the "adults only" pornography outlets of America would be a person,who had never conceived of a man and woman marrying or even falling in love before having intercourse,who had never conceived of two people making love in privacy without guilt or fear of discovery,who had never conceived of tender foreplay,who had never conceived of vaginal intercourse with ejaculation during intromission,and who had never conceived of procreation as a purpose of sexual union.,



Instead,such a person would be one who had learned that sex at home meant sex with one's children,stepchildren,parents,stepparents,siblings,cousins,nephews,nieces,aunts,uncles,and pets,and with neighbors,milkmen,plumbers,salesmen,burglars,and peepers,who had learned that people take off their clothes and have sex within the first 5 minutes of meeting one another,who had learned to misjudge the percentage of women who prepare for sex by shaving their pubic hair,having their breasts,buttocks or legs tattooed,having their nipples or labia pierced,or donning leather,latex,rubber,or childlike costumes,who had learned to misjudge the proportion of men who prepare for sex by having their genitals or nipples pierced,wearing women's clothing,or growing breasts.


Who had learned that about 1 out of 5 sexual encounters involves spankning,whipping,fighting,wrestling,tying,chaining,gagging,or torture,who had learned that more than 1 in 10 sexaul acts involves a party of more than 2,who had learned that the purpose of ejaculation is that of soiling the mouths,faces,breasts,abdomens,backs,and food at which it's always aimed,who had learned that body cavities were designed for the insertion of foreign objects,who had learned that the anus was a genital to be licked and penetrated,who had learned that urine and excrement are erotic materials,who had learned that the instruments of sex chemicals,handcuffs,gags,hoods,restraints,harnesses,police badges,knives,guns,whips,paddles,toilets,diapers,enema bags,inflatable rubber women,and disembodied vaginas,breasts,and penises,who had learned that except with the children,where secrecy was required,photographers and cameras were supposed to be present to capture the action so that it could be spread abroad.



He said if these were the only adverse consequences of pornography,the most straightforward remedy would be to provide factually accurate information on human sexuality to people before they are exposed to pornography,if only we could agree on what that information is,on who should provide it to the many children whose parents are incapable of doing so,and on effective and acceptable means by which to ensure that exposure not precede education. In the absense of such a remedy,the probable consequences in this area alone are sufficient to support recommendations that would reduce the dissemination of that pornography which teaches false,misleading or dangerous information about human sexuality. And these are not the only adverse consequences of pornography.



He then says before he gives more examples and research,that pornography is a health problem and human rights issue because it increases the probability that members of the exposed population will acquire attitudes that are detrimental to the physical and mental health of both those exposed and those around them,pornography is a health problem and human rights issue because it is used as an instrument of sexual abuse and sexual harassment.


And look where we are now!