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Open Your Mouth

July 17, 2008

Joe Newton

I am a 23-year-old woman living with my 25-year-old boyfriend. We have been dating for a little over a year, and for the majority of that time we had a great sex life. Unfortunately, when we decided to move in together we also decided to stop having intercourse until we decide to get married. We made this choice with a couple factors in mind: (1) lots of pressure from religious parents who urged us not to engage in premarital sex, and (2) we aren't ready to risk having a kid.

We are not engaged yet because we want to live together for a while to make sure we both want a lifelong commitment. Our relationship is still thriving, and if we do get married we already know that we are sexually compatible. The problem is that every time he instigates a session of fooling around in nonintercourse ways (which we still do) I am not turned on. I know whatever we do is not going to end in sex. He has no idea I'm not interested because I focus all my attention on getting him off. I enjoy that, but I know he would love to pleasure me as well. What do you suggest?

No Sex For Us

I've written columns stoned, I've written columns hammered, and I've written columns on prescription medications—not necessarily prescribed to me—that impaired my ability to operate heavy machinery and, you know, my laptop is so old that it probably qualifies as heavy machinery. But I've never written a column after three straight nights of brain-killing insomnia.

So welcome to a very special, sleep-deprived episode of Savage Love, and I apologize in advance if the advice you're about to receive is suckier than the stoned, hammered, heavily medicated crap that made this column great.

Okay, NSFU, I've got a few suggestions.

First, grow the fuck up. You guys are 23 and 25, not 13 and 15, which means you get to make up your own minds about premarital sex. Seeing as you two were engaging in premarital sex before you moved in together, it's a whole lot of ridiculous to cave to the delicate sensibilities of your religious parents now. After all, kids, the same vengeful, sex-obsessed, entirely fictitious God who disapproves of premarital sex also disapproves of any and all "nonintercourse ways" of getting your boyfriend off. Spilling his seed is a sin, too, NSFU, whether you're helping him spill on the ground or on your tonsils.

Second, birth control works. If you're not willing to assume the teeny, tiny risk of getting pregnant now that you're living together, NSFU, why were you willing to risk it when you hardly knew each other? Take the pill, use condoms, and if you really want to be paranoid about it, have the boyfriend pull his condom-wrapped cock out of your nonovulating twat after you've come but before he does, which will reduce your risk of an unplanned pregnancy to so close to zero that zero will feel like it's being stalked. Or something.

Finally, open your mouth. This arrangement works for the boyfriend, NSFU, but it's making you miserable. Tell him you want to renegotiate terms. You stop worrying about what your parents think and stop inflating your fear of pregnancy and get back to your old intercoursin' ways—which you don't have to tell the parents about—or he's going to have to buy a strap-on dildo and fuck you with that before you'll even think about touching his dick again.


I'm a 19-year-old gay boy, and while I have tried dating guys my own age, I realized a long time ago that I am far more interested (romantically and sexually) in older men. I understand, though, that many older men out there looking for a guy my age may not have the best of intentions. Do you have any tips for someone in my situation?

Timid Whelp In Needa Knowledge

Gay men in their 30s and 40s who will date teenage boys are almost always scum, TWINK, as you've surmised. But gay guys in their 30s and 40s who will date 23-year-olds? Some are scum, of course, because some of everyone is scum, but the scum makes up a far smaller percentage of the total. And these nonscummy older men are much more likely to be interested in a 23-year-old who has his shit together.

So I would advise you to skip the older guys who'll date you now and go and get your shit together. Get your ass into a decent college, fuck the odd TA (and they're all odd) to earn a little dating-and-mating wisdom, and then, after you graduate, take your gathered figurative shit to a big city where you'll meet plenty of attractive, older men.

Oh, and all the angry middle-aged gay men out there who "date" teenage boys and don't regard themselves as scum: Spare me the angry e-mails, fellas. I didn't say that you're all scum, guys, I wrote that you're "almost always scum." Unfortunately, scum never thinks it's scum, which can make it difficult to tell the scummy ones and nonscummy ones apart, particularly for young and inexperienced guys.


My boyfriend and I met nearly three years ago when I was a call girl and he was a guy who wanted to be pegged (a big, big part of my business). We became friends, then partners, and now we've been together for three years. We share a home and we're bringing up my 7-year-old son together. It's the best relationship I've ever been in—he's loving, communicative, patient, supportive, and WAY fun sexually. His dad told me recently that he's never seen his son so happy. He's got a good job, and in addition to being a stay-at-home mom, I occasionally see my old regulars. In fact, we've done a few calls together, for trusted clients who wanted to experience a threesome.

My question is, how common is it for prostitutes and clients to end up together? Of course the business is full of pitfalls, and is not for the timid or directionless, but human beings in proximity do tend to fall in love given the chance... or are we just an anomaly?

Lucky In Love

Sex workers and clients do occasionally fall in love (check out the wonderful memoir Concertina by Susan Winemaker), so it does happen, LIL. But it happens so rarely that I was reluctant to print your letter, as it will give countless johns false hope. But I'm sleep deprived, so here it is.


Here's an ultravanilla one for you: It's been about eight months since I was dumped, and every day I still think about the girl who broke my heart. I don't speak to her and don't want to. How do you get over a breakup?

Tired Of Her

Sometimes a cliché is all I've got: Time heals all wounds—time and, of course, fucking other people. Did you know that every ounce of another woman's saliva that you swallow, TOH, shaves a week off the healing process? It's a true and totally scientific fact. I distinctly remember reading it in the Science section of the New York Times this morning.

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Rock the fuck on dan!
Posted by jazz on January 8, 2009 at 8:49 PM · Report this
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That's actually pretty true. The best way to get over a break up is to get under someone else.

Your helpful neighborhood psych major.
Posted by psy on January 17, 2009 at 4:15 PM · Report this
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"After all, kids, the same vengeful, sex-obsessed, entirely fictitious God who disapproves of premarital sex also disapproves of any and all "nonintercourse ways" of getting your boyfriend off. Spilling his seed is a sin, too, NSFU, whether you're helping him spill on the ground or on your tonsils".

Hey Dan, I think you should research more on the God you are calling fictitious and read his book (Bible) properly and with sincerity. I'm absolutely sure that it will do you some good because it's very bad to say damaging things about someone you do not know and misinterpret what he says to suit you and your audience (or fans).

My dear woman who talked about "pre-marital sex", I think you should better listen to your parents. Your parents might sound archaic, but what they see standing on the ground, you'll not be able to see even if you climb a tree. Talk to your fiance, if he loves and respects you, he'll listen to you. Remember, there's more to life than sex.
Posted by The Truth on February 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM · Report this
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Alright, Mr. Truth here might be putting it on a little thick. If I may, perhaps you are bringing personal theories into this a bit too strongly. It seemed rather obtrusive to go beyond "you can make up your own minds about sex," after that, you're just wasting your time.
Posted by Alex on February 16, 2009 at 12:57 AM · Report this
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"God who disapproves of premarital sex" + "Spilling his seed is a sin, too," true and true. So what is the problem? took the long way to say it but he is correct. And she is lying to herself.
Posted by John on April 21, 2009 at 5:01 AM · Report this
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Mr Truth, I'm sorry to say, but I've read the Bible twice over, and it's not at all what you claim it to be. I've read the Bible with sincerity, under the advice of loving parents, and I came away shocked -- literally shocked -- by how much evil that books contains. Wars, infanticide, massacres of innocent populations, nepotism ('God's chosen people'), lies and deceit -- I can't think of a single mortal sin that is not recommended somewhere in the Bible.

I'm sorry, but this is one of the worst books I've ever seen to give you moral advice. Even though I am quite smitten by the person of Jesus -- a guy I certainly would like to meet -- I have the impression (let's say He told me) that he would rather support Dan's attitude than what the Bible suggests (the Bible is, after all, a book Jesus didn't write and, I am sure, would have many problems with).

For a good commentary on the Bible's many errors, lies, deceitful statements, unethical and immoral suggestions, and pure and simple bigotry, have a look at:

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
Posted by ankylosaur on September 3, 2009 at 2:58 PM · Report this
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I don't care what the bible says. Refraining from intercourse because of others' views is just immature all the way around. Any adult who just grudgingly performs sexual tasks and doesn't speak up is a resentment time bomb! What of the genius who can't figure out that hey, maybe his wife-to-be has needs, too?? I echo Dan's sentiment about birth control methods. If a conception happens, hold your head up high and make a decision about it. Be an adult! Sleep deprived or not, this is a great column.
Posted by TheGoddessMaria http://thegoddessmaria.com on November 19, 2009 at 8:29 PM · Report this
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I suppose that there is no real point to me responding randomly to agree with ankylosaur (Like your name by the way. That was my favorite dinosaur as a kid), but I agree that any person who has actually read the bible and still doesn't hate god for being a complete asshole, is in fact immoral.

And, I mean, that's god's propaganda; not something written to defame it by its enemies. But if it exists, I hope it withers and dies.
Posted by Dragonpie on July 31, 2010 at 8:14 PM · Report this

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