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Mugged at Gunpoint on Beacon Hill

How It Happened, What a Cop Said to Me After It Happened, and What Happened a Few Weeks Later When I Was Robbed Again

Mugged at Gunpoint on Beacon Hill

MIKE FREIHEIT

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We were on Beacon Hill, my roommate and I, walking home from Bush Garden after butchering some Springsteen. We'd missed the late 36 bus, so we decided to hoof it. We were at 14th Avenue South and South Atlantic, just past the PacMed building, when a kid in his late teens wearing a black hoodie asked us for the time.

We ignored him and kept walking.

But he kept asking.

Four other kids in the same getup emerged from behind a bush, one of whom had a gun. He pointed it in our faces. Things continued normally from that point (as normally as you'd expect for an armed robbery). They threatened; we complied. I tried to negotiate for my glucometer, but they out-argued me pretty succinctly: "Do you want to get shot, motherfucker?"

Naturally, I said no, and they ransacked our pockets and took off down a side street. They made off with $11, two gently used smartphones, my key ring, my insulin, my glucometer, and my tip check. Fortunately, our other roommate was home, I happen to know her phone number by heart, and I had plenty of backup diabetes supplies at home, including a second glucometer. It was humiliating to be robbed of my valuables, my medicine, and my pride, but it could have been much worse. My roommate and I looked at each other, let it wash over us, and kept walking. The only words we could muster up were "I guess that just happened."

According to Seattle Police Department numbers, robberies in the first three months of this year are up 10 percent over last year. About two blocks into our trek, a cop rolled by, and we flagged him down. He made a very unconvincing effort to track our assailants, giving the distinct impression that he believed our cause lost from the get-go. He also made sure to let us know, "If they tried to rob me, I would have pulled out my gun and asked them, 'How badly do you want my stuff?'" I wasn't in the mood to point out how incredibly foolish that statement was, so I just let it slide, borrowed his cell phone to get ahold of our roommate so we could get into the house, and let him drive us home.

The second time it happened to me, I was riding my bike home from work late on a Saturday, cruising down Beacon Avenue by the Red Apple. A gaggle of drunk high-school kids was lurking at the light-rail station, engaged in that type of wholesome social gathering that can only take place at midnight on a Saturday.

As I passed the station, a couple of their compatriots emerged—again, from some bushes—on my side of the street, forming a human blockade of sorts. Their body language was nonthreatening at first. It seemed like they wanted to maybe mess with me for having a shiny bike and wearing leggings under my shorts (which I was already making enough fun of myself for, thank you very much... it was cold, and I forgot to do laundry). When I stopped moving, they pressed closer to me, asking if they could ride my bike or play with my phone.

Their haranguing quickly turned from "Let me try your bike" and "Let me see your phone" to "Give me your phone, bitch." Even before that, I sensed that something was off about the situation and tried to move around them to remount and speed off. When their hostilities erupted a bit too soon for that, I picked up my bike and backed down the sidewalk, using it as a shield to fend off my assailants.

The rowdier our exchange got, the more attention it drew from the crowd in front of the station, and soon I was facing a small mob of larcenous high schoolers. They were throwing haymakers at me through my bike frame. I knew that if they got behind me, I was finished, having recently watched a shit-talking Juggalo fall victim to the same tactics at the hands of a mob of kids at Westlake. So I backed into the middle of the road, hoping to use traffic to keep them from getting behind me.

None of the drivers whose path of travel was impeded offered assistance (this is Seattle, after all), but they saved me by serving as silent witnesses. After a few more abortive lunges, my attackers had exhausted their fervor for robbery and retreated to the station. I was shaken, and they had stripped my backup glucometer from my pants pocket in the scuffle, but I still had my phone and my insulin and my bike.

The most salient feeling one is left with in the wake of a mugging is impotent rage. After both incidents, I couldn't sleep. I sat up in bed, seething, my mind racing through various scenarios of vengeance. It wasn't much of a stretch to imagine myself shooting down my attackers in cold blood, and I'll admit I even looked up the prices of handguns online. I used to be so into Death Wish, the 1974 vigilante movie featuring a mustachioed Charles Bronson revenge-killing anyone he deemed a worthless street punk to avenge the murder of his wife in an armed home invasion. How could you blame a likable, ostensibly liberal guy for his rage toward these smarmy street criminals in leather jackets? Especially after what happened to the woman he loved? I'm a sucker for a bad mustache and some good camp, and I bought the movie's bullshit—the massive logical leap of killing random people just because he was pissed, all perfectly obfuscated with the heartstring-tugging details—hook, line, and sinker.

I'll admit I fantasized about spending my nights stalking my muggers through South Seattle, waiting for them to strike another unsuspecting victim, only to become victims themselves. I wanted to take them unawares, shoot them in the legs, and leave them bleeding for the cops to find. In short, I was thinking some really psycho shit.

Thankfully, I'm not a psycho. I'm pretty dedicated to nonviolence, and I can't really conceive of a scenario where I would use force for any purpose other than defending myself. Given the chance to replay either of my muggings with a gun tucked in my waistband, I'd decline without hesitation, for two reasons.

One, the more handguns that exist in society, the more likely one is to be robbed at gunpoint. Second Amendment defenders can crow on all they want about responsible gun ownership, but more guns means more guns in the hands of criminals and responsible gun owners alike. Given my experiences, I'd rather face an unarmed mob (like that second pack of kids) than one guy with a gun. I'd rather take a good old-fashioned beating than a shot any day. Having to administer a beating makes a criminal work harder for their ill-gotten gains. If I'm gonna sling plates all week for my dough, muggers should have to work a little harder to take it from me. And it would be hypocritical of me to have that conviction but then go out and get a gun myself.

Two, I intend to live out the rest of my life without ever taking anyone else's. True, there are many ways to kill someone without using a gun. I could have brained one of those kids with my U-lock. But unlike a gun, a U-lock is not designed to kill. As someone who has no desire to kill others, I don't see the point of owning a handgun. This makes me think that people who insist on owning guns as a means of self-defense are either (a) mentally prepared for the reality of killing another human being (doubtful), or (b) living in a Bronson-esque fantasy world where the lives one imagines taking are the lives of cartoonish street toughs, not teenage kids with poor judgment, braces, and some very worried parents at home.

Gun ownership is just not the solution to street crime. Reducing income inequality and increasing access to public transit late at night—seriously, can someone please do something to increase public transit late at night?—might help, but getting more citizens to tote handguns won't. I realize that last sentence sounds like textbook liberal fantasy, but it's far from fantastical. It's based on my real-life experience with two real-life muggings, one with a gun and one without. I have a sneaking suspicion that most of the people arguing so vehemently for gun ownership can't say they've had that same experience. recommended

 

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AWWW, did Mudede's hip-hop friends make you uncomfortable? Carry a burner, you whiny bitch.
Posted by CarryABurnerInMudedesGhetto,Bitch on May 29, 2013 at 10:11 AM · Report this
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Truism: Criminals have more guns today, because more people have more guns today.

More Legally owned firearms creates more chances for Illegally owned and wielded firearms.

The NRA has created a self-fulfilling prophesy, and a positive feedback loop: People need guns because so many criminals have guns. This creates more opportunities for criminals to obtain guns, creating a higher urgency in scared people to obtain more guns. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Posted by bgix on May 29, 2013 at 12:31 PM · Report this
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Nice article, showing that even in the face of violence, guns aren't the answer.
Oh and I totally agree with your assessment of "people who insist on owning guns". I've fantasized about owning a gun but realistically, I don't think I could handle the guilt of taking anyone's life (sure don't shoot to kill... but if you miss your mark by an inch, then what happens?).
Posted by ColdCrispRefreshingDietCola on May 29, 2013 at 1:23 PM · Report this
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I have a canister of mace that I loop w/ a hair tie around my wrist for easy access when jogging or riding my bike, which I do all the time. There were some violence avoidance tips circulated via email some years ago. Here's a Snopes version (with corrections from some of the prior bad advise). http://www.snopes.com/crime/prevent/nine…
Posted by TBne on May 29, 2013 at 1:39 PM · Report this
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The pussification of America continues. Without proper protection you can only plead, beg and hope that your attacker's use of force does not maim or kill you. Your lack of self-preservation skills should not be passed on to the next generation.
Posted by Even Strangerer on May 29, 2013 at 2:06 PM · Report this
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The pussification of America continues. Without proper mindset and protection you can only plead, beg and hope that your attacker's use of force does not maim or kill you. Your lack of self-preservation skills should not be passed on to the next generation. I too wish to further peaceful action, but wishing is akin to denying 'what is'. Which is, there are bad people who do bad things to other people, and if you value your life, be prepared to act accordingly. If you don't value your life, at least respect that other people value theirs enough to fight for it, and don't try and abridge that right and responsibility.
Sorry for your experience and the emasculating rage you have to reason through.
Posted by Even Strangerer on May 29, 2013 at 2:12 PM · Report this
--MC 9
Yeah, you can fight for your rights .. if you want to get into a firefight with somebody over $11 and a glucometer, I will not deny you that pleasure.
Posted by --MC on May 29, 2013 at 2:44 PM · Report this
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If "income inequality" causes these why are so few committed by women and older people who are disproportinately poor? Why did I just read about a mugging on the hill where the perps got into a Taurus?
It's strange how white liberals feel to proud to symapthize with those who violate their civil rights, especially when the perps are black. I don't see black folks doing the same when mobs of whites attack them.
Posted by Andrew S. on May 29, 2013 at 2:48 PM · Report this
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I'm surprised that they couldn't find the phones that were stolen. They can be tracked by triangulation. Also, DCMA phones are pretty much deactivated when you report them stolen.
Posted by just wondering on May 29, 2013 at 2:49 PM · Report this
seattlestew 12
You've expressed exactly how I would feel in your situation(s). Infuriating, but you kept your head -- and your values -- about you.
Posted by seattlestew on May 29, 2013 at 2:57 PM · Report this
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@10. Where in the article did he mention race? Oh. Right...he doesn't - he does say "in a black hoodie" but that's clearly talking about an article of clothing, not ethnicity.

Posted by KatTheCanuckistan http://soundmusing.blogspot.com/ on May 29, 2013 at 3:05 PM · Report this
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Apparently the moral to the story is that when people violate your civil rights you should throw money at them. And what does increasing public transit at night have to do with it?
Posted by Andrew S. on May 29, 2013 at 3:06 PM · Report this
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@13 White liberals are a thousand times more likely to sympathise with people who violate their civil rights when the perps are not white. I did not state these perps were black, although I'm sure if the perps were white it would have been made clear. And if they were white skinhead types there would be no sympathy towards them.
Posted by Andrew S. on May 29, 2013 at 3:11 PM · Report this
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@7, @8 Who's a pussy, bitch?

I walk the streets of Brooklyn, goddammit, with nothing but my confidence, wits and attitude. Been here over 20 years and no one has fucked with me on the street.

Guns are for pussies.
Posted by Brooklyn Reader on May 29, 2013 at 3:13 PM · Report this
Zebes 17
"If only we could just wantonly gun motherfuckers down. That'd fix things up real nice."
Posted by Zebes http://www.badrap.org/rescue/index.html on May 29, 2013 at 3:21 PM · Report this
Knat 18
Very interesting read. I can empathize quite easily with just about every aspect of this story (except wearing the leggings).
Posted by Knat on May 29, 2013 at 3:23 PM · Report this
Dougsf 19
Try and remember their shoes to help police identify the assailants later. They'll ditch clothing, but they always keep the shoes.
Posted by Dougsf on May 29, 2013 at 3:26 PM · Report this
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I'm surprised you didn't offer to take them to an ATM and give them reparations. In both examples you were threatened with deadly force whether it was a gun or a pack of dumb apes who could easily beat you to death. Hard to feel sympathy for someone who won't defend themself like a "psycho" would. I wonder if Tuba Man or Danny Vega would justify their deaths due to "income inequality"?
Pathetic.
Posted by Thank You Susanswerphone on May 29, 2013 at 3:28 PM · Report this
Cascadian Bacon 21
@16
Wow you can totally go 6 blocks from your appartment in a neighborhood full of trust fund hipsters, how dangerous.
Posted by Cascadian Bacon on May 29, 2013 at 3:28 PM · Report this
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Seattle public high schools must be failing, if they teach their male high school students that glucose meters and insulin have high resale value, and that robbing people of their prescription medications is a positive strong step toward social and economic justice.
Posted by do Shoreline & Bellingham students do this too? on May 29, 2013 at 3:32 PM · Report this
You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me 23
Could we please get detailed descriptions of these hoods so that we can avoid them ourselves?... Or do we have to assume every teen in a hoodie is a violent criminal???
Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me on May 29, 2013 at 3:35 PM · Report this
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@14- Clearly you have never had the pleasure of being dumped at the Mt. Baker Light Rail stop with all your luggage at midnight (since it isn't funded to run any later). I've never felt so vulnerable in my whole life, and it's no wonder there are roving packs of thieves that hang out there at that time... It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
Posted by UNPAID COMMENTER on May 29, 2013 at 3:44 PM · Report this
Lissa 25
I was mugged one night years ago in front of the Egyptian. I defended myself with the large bouquet of lilacs I happened to be carrying, and escaped unscathed. I am a gun owner and I'm glad it came to a flower beat down rather than a shooting. My assailant certainly smelled better, and I'd rather have that in my conscience than his blood even though I was MIGHTILY PISSED OFF about the destruction of my bouquet.
Posted by Lissa on May 29, 2013 at 3:55 PM · Report this
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I just want to say, thanks for writing this and sorry for your experiences. As a young woman, this crap is frightening because I might also be sexually assaulted. I take cabs a lot at night around here mainly for safety. I hope the city gov't doesn't kill uber, because their cabs can pick me up from a sketchy street corner faster than any other cab company.

I don't carry a gun, but maybe I should? It is hard to predict in advance if a gun would just escalate the situation or if it might save me from getting raped. Robbed, I can deal with. Raped, murdered, mutilated, those things I would like to avoid.
Posted by wxPDX on May 29, 2013 at 3:55 PM · Report this
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"...walking, when a kid in his late teens wearing a black hoodie asked us for the time.

We ignored him and kept walking."

and you wonder why you got mugged? maybe it's because you are an asshole and no one in your neighborhood knows you. Smug gentrifying newbies who won't take the time to even acknowledge someone on the street are infinitely more likely to get mugged...fyi.
Posted by queerkid69 on May 29, 2013 at 4:03 PM · Report this
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@27 newsflash fagtard, he didn't really want the time. He was try to set them up for a mugging.
Posted by Thank You Susanswerphone on May 29, 2013 at 4:09 PM · Report this
seandr 29
Sorry that happened to you, dude, and once is certainly bad enough. Many of us can relate to that experience and the inevitable ruminations that happen afterwards. I agree with your conclusions.

Don't really have any advice for you, except keep your eyes open when you're out at night. You can sometimes spot potential situations before it's too late, although doesn't sound like that would help in your cases.
Posted by seandr on May 29, 2013 at 4:12 PM · Report this
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@28. newsflash straightdouche, No shit. But if your routine response to someone from your neighborhood asking you a question on the street is to ignore them, then you are setting yourself up...and generally being an asshole. Quit being a liberal classist/racist and get to know your neighbors, including street kids, and you most likely wont get mugged.
Posted by queerkid69 on May 29, 2013 at 4:16 PM · Report this
blip 31
Lesson learned. Next time a stranger on the street asks me what time it is I'll just shoot them.
Posted by blip on May 29, 2013 at 4:17 PM · Report this
seandr 32
"walking, when a kid in his late teens wearing a black hoodie asked us for the time. We ignored him and kept walking."

Here's one tip - when they ask you for the time, don't ignore them as that just gives them an excuse to start following you. Just say "Sure" and make up a time.

At the very least, you'll know then whether they are really after the time or something else.

@27: You don't spend much time in the big city, do you?
Posted by seandr on May 29, 2013 at 4:21 PM · Report this
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@30- 1) What does this have to do with race?
2) The idea that I have to "get to know" street kids in order not to be mugged is frightening. I assume you would tell women that in order not to be raped they need to say hi to every man they meet?
People have every right not to be mugged or assaulted regardless of whether they are racist/classist assholes.
Posted by Andrew S. on May 29, 2013 at 4:23 PM · Report this
JF 34
@30 Are you really taking the position of "If you choose to ignore a question from a stranger, you deserve to be mugged?"
Posted by JF on May 29, 2013 at 4:29 PM · Report this
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@30 I'm actually going to backpedal a bit and apologize for calling you a fagtard. That's disrespectful/retrograde to gays and lesbians. Your fucking idiocy has nothing to do with your orientation. I hope you bond with the local thugs before they borrow your iPhone.
Posted by Thank You Susanswerphone on May 29, 2013 at 4:35 PM · Report this
Urgutha Forka 36
@20,
I wonder if Tuba Man or Danny Vega would justify their deaths due to "income inequality"?
Probably not, but they should.

Criminal behavior doesn't form in a vacuum, it's learned, it's instilled by what happens around.

I really, really doubt the muggers were average kids with average families and average childhoods. It's even more unlikely that they were rich kids from nurturing, attentive families.

We as a society should be addressing the root causes of crime and poverty, not merely dealing reactively with the symptoms.
Posted by Urgutha Forka on May 29, 2013 at 4:40 PM · Report this
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I was born and raised in big cities. I've lived on the streets for a considerable portion of my young-adult life. I get to know my neighbors and kids who hang out on the streets. I never ignore people who ask me questions, because I'm not a smug asshole like many people who are new to cities seem to be. I've never been mugged.
Never had an iphone, never will.
@33 "2) The idea that I have to "get to know" street kids in order not to be mugged is frightening. I assume you would tell women that in order not to be raped they need to say hi to every man they meet?"
hahaha, ok. I could argue with that but there is no point because it is based in no reality.
Posted by queerkid69 on May 29, 2013 at 4:46 PM · Report this
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@34...yes
Posted by queerkid69 on May 29, 2013 at 4:47 PM · Report this
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Sadly, poor black males are over-represented as convicted rapists. Lets see if the same justifiers are willing to say that it's not totally their fault? Maybe there are unique problems with certain cultures that we don't want to address be side we might hurt their feelings? It is much easier to blame it on guns or poverty. I don't see poor Asians acting this way and they stow away in fucking shipping containers to get here.
Posted by Thank You Susanswerphone on May 29, 2013 at 4:52 PM · Report this
JF 40
@37 Well you may not consider yourself a smug asshole, but the position you're taking is sure one of a smug asshole.
Posted by JF on May 29, 2013 at 5:01 PM · Report this
scary tyler moore 41
oh, you KIDS! (especially the ones with johnsons) i have lived on capitol hill since before you lil twats were born (i'm looking at YOU, cascadian), and no one has ever messed with me. ever. not even while waiting for the bus on rainier avenue south or downtown at night, walking down to broadway after 11pm, or strolling home from 11th and east pine after midnight. and if you boys had the BALLS to show up to one of the unofficial slog happy get togethers, you'd know that i am unfuckwithable. and tobias, i am very sorry that happened to you, and i hope your assailants are apprehended and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Posted by scary tyler moore http://pushymcshove.blogspot.com/ on May 29, 2013 at 5:15 PM · Report this
NopeNope 42
If you're committed to non-violence that's fine. I hope it works out for you. Some of us aren't and wouldn't feel any pity for laying out some stranger who threatened our life. I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this article. You got lucky in both situations. Maybe the majority of folks who are robbed aren't harmed. But make no mistake, it's not a formula. Someone might comply with all your robbers commands and still be seriously hurt, raped or killed.

Some of us would rather die fighting with our dignity in tact than live and allow others to walk all over us. It's just a matter of values.
Posted by NopeNope on May 29, 2013 at 5:24 PM · Report this
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The writer has a hyphenated name so already you know the direction the story is going to be written. The code words the stanger staff use start fairly quicky(late teens, youths, etc) i.e. black teens. You know they were black because no race is used in the story, not that it matters to most readers. They just make it stand out when you dont give the basic facts in the story. I am sure he left out some verbel slurs yelled at him( negative gay and white slurs).
Posted by papy on May 29, 2013 at 5:52 PM · Report this
pg13 44
Your dignity is worth dying to protect $11, a phone and a glucometer?
Posted by pg13 on May 29, 2013 at 5:55 PM · Report this
blip 45
@42, You're probably more likely to be hurt if you try to pull a gun on someone who already has one pointed at you but maybe you're really quick on the draw. A few dollars and a replaceable cellphone aren't worth the risk for me, but I realize after reading enough chest-puffing commentary from the tough guys in Slog's gun threads that for some the risk of escalation is irrelevant. They're just really eager to shoot someone when they feel threatened.
Posted by blip on May 29, 2013 at 5:56 PM · Report this
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Nothing puts a smile on my face faster than naive white liberals getting mugged by blacks. Seriously, it's the gift that keeps on giving.
Posted by Apple Picking, the new ghetto sport on May 29, 2013 at 6:06 PM · Report this
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You crazy gun nuts above, too numerous to enumerate. Had he been carrying a gun in the situations described above and skilled it's use like some kind of death ninja- the smartest thing to do would have been exactly what he did. Ask that asshole in Florida now on trial for murder how happy he is about how his successful drawdown went.
Posted by MikeB on May 29, 2013 at 6:09 PM · Report this
meanie 48
This was a ok story about pacifism, but I have no idea what it has to do with guns, or why guns were mentioned other than shock value( not to mention page hits), probably for the opposite reason that race was carefully omitted as well.

Its great you have the *choice* and convenience to be a pacifist and to potentially be murdered, assaulted, or raped for those beliefs.

Not everyone shares the same beliefs.
Posted by meanie http://www.spicealley.net on May 29, 2013 at 6:21 PM · Report this
Rotten666 49
Lot of internet tough guys on this thread.
Posted by Rotten666 on May 29, 2013 at 6:24 PM · Report this
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Oh Beacon Hill, I love ya but you are truly a pain in the ass.
Posted by radiobelly on May 29, 2013 at 6:42 PM · Report this
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"Reducing income inequality and increasing access to public transit late at night"

I hear they turn those iPhones into soup and suckle on the plastic leftovers for nutrition
Posted by So po' they steal apples for food! on May 29, 2013 at 6:45 PM · Report this
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Income inequality? Lots of poor Chinese immigrants in the ID yet it's the blacks you have to keep an eye on.
Posted by The Chinaman on May 29, 2013 at 6:49 PM · Report this
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@47 that actually went down well considering he killed the thug that attacked him. He's only on trial because race card players turned it into a circus. There were 28 shot just last weekend in Chicago. Seems to be a news black out about those.
Posted by Thank You Susanswerphone on May 29, 2013 at 6:52 PM · Report this
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Hmm, perhaps Tobias would care to offer a complete description of the attackers?
Posted by Unbrainwashed on May 29, 2013 at 7:27 PM · Report this
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The cop's advice in the first anecdote was priceless: Some itchy-fingered punk is pointing a gun at you, you pull out your own gun and say "How badly do you want..." BLAMMO Itchy-fingered punk:1, you:0.
Posted by crone on May 29, 2013 at 7:28 PM · Report this
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Like how the illustration makes him look white.

Da'Nile is a river in Egypt for most Sloggers. For the rest of us it's the name a baby mama burped up.
Posted by Sho' me da money motherfucka' on May 29, 2013 at 7:30 PM · Report this
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By the way, I flatly don't believe the cop, if there even was one, said that.
Posted by Unbrainwashed on May 29, 2013 at 7:39 PM · Report this
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Bummer man- I was held up at gunpoint with a friend of mine by two guys in Oakland a few years back. Seemed kind of surreal. All they got out of me was $37 and my wallet, which I later got back. I was thinking of what to do next time, and it came down to "don't take my friend's suggestion of walking around the block of the restaurant talking", and rather, go back to my place to continue the conversation.

If there is a next time? Depending on the circumstances, I'm pretty sure I'd grab the gun and get my body between it and the guy.
Posted by glasspusher on May 29, 2013 at 7:43 PM · Report this
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@57

I second that. A bit too convenient for our writer's prejudices.
Posted by Never let the truth get in the way of a good story on May 29, 2013 at 7:46 PM · Report this
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""If they tried to rob me, I would have pulled out my gun and asked them, 'How badly do you want my stuff?'" I wasn't in the mood to point out how incredibly foolish that statement was"

So, you filed a report and have this policeman's name so he can verify he said what you claim, right? At a minimum you read his name off his badge and can let us know which officer it was? Because if you didn't file a report and can't remember the officer's name, I say you're full of shit
Posted by How convenient his quote fits your narative on May 29, 2013 at 7:50 PM · Report this
Eric Arrr 61
Paging Phoenix Jones:

Isn't it about time somebody at The Stranger owed you a favor?
Posted by Eric Arrr on May 29, 2013 at 8:29 PM · Report this
Eric Arrr 62
Also, @Tobias,

Income inequality? If it was income these kids needed, they'd be selling drugs. Splitting $11 between the 4 of them and optionally having to fence a stolen glucometer?

What these hoods need is an education in the fucking obvious.
Posted by Eric Arrr on May 29, 2013 at 8:33 PM · Report this
zivilisierter Wurm 63
Keeping a pistol on yourself is a cool way to get into situations where you have to shoot or get shot. Cause if someone already has their gun pointed at you it's pretty much too late. So what are you gonna do, pull your piece on any shiesty looking kid who reaches into their hoody? That shit isn't a magic wand.

Easier to just not carry anything worth stealing, and savor the knowledge your stick-up kid is probably going to get his ass shot over some trifling bullshit before he turns 30.
Posted by zivilisierter Wurm http://peregrinari.tumblr.com/ on May 29, 2013 at 9:09 PM · Report this
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@57 -- That detail does seem a bit far-fetched, as does the idea that the cop who supposedly picked them up after being mugged didn't have them fill out any police report.
Posted by Amanda on May 29, 2013 at 10:58 PM · Report this
TortoiseTurtle 65
@26, oh poor girl. someone had a gun shoved in their face, but you have it so much worse because "this crap is frightening because I might also be sexually assaulted."

What, pray tell, makes it impossible for the author to be sexually assaulted? Does he not have a body?

What makes sexual assault so much worse than having a gun shoved in your face by some local savages (accompanied by death threats)? What part of this wasn't bad enough that your personal rape fantasy deserved a special call-out in the comments?

Get the fuck over yourself. You're no more victim than anyone else.
Posted by TortoiseTurtle http://slog.thestranger.com on May 29, 2013 at 11:11 PM · Report this
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Christ on a fucking crutch. Tobias, you must
be a hipster because only stupid hipsters go to Chinatown to sing at Bush Garden AND take the bus at night. Do you also go to that pinball place and hookah lounge?

You are courting danger and you probably have
no clue where you are at. After dark, you are
walking in one of the most dangerous areas of the city. Can't call a cab?

You probably were walking up on King or Jackson
to 12th, probably King since it is closer to
Maynard. You are walking in crack fucking central and all of the homeless drug addicts.
King county and Seattle releases all of those
formerly incarcerated folks in that area.
There are over 1000 registered and unregistered
sex offenders in the west precinct. You have
the Jungle nearby. You have the homeless shelters nearby. You have the mental cases nearby. AND, you are talking about guns and
income inequality?????

Fucking go back to school and demand a fucking refund.

Here is a free lesson:
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/practical…

Posted by BlameTheVictim on May 29, 2013 at 11:32 PM · Report this
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#57, given how many cops there are in America, #64, I suppose there are a few who are dumb enough. But we're talking "a few." A damn few.

But it's awfully convenient that the author would find a member of the 0.001% right here in Seattle, in the middle of the big city, who'd make such an utterly insane statement at just the wrong time, but that fit perfectly into this narrative.

The whole story smells. And that was a good point about the police report. If this is true, then our lying friend Tobias ought to post the police report. And if he won't do it, then the Stranger's editors should demand it. Of course, that would require that they have a single shred of ethics. Which they don't.
Posted by Unbrainwashed on May 30, 2013 at 12:32 AM · Report this
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Oops, my comment above was a response to #64, who responded to my comment #57. See, I actually care about being correct. There might as well be one of us. I call bullshit on this whole story. The Stranger should call the "reporter" in and demand proof, or forever shut their fuckwit mouths about how bad the Seattle Times is.
Posted by Unbrainwashed on May 30, 2013 at 12:36 AM · Report this
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Is Beacon Hill getting more dangerous? I used to walk from Cap. hill along 12th to the Red Apple area all the time at all hours but nothing worse ever happened than people flipping me shit at the bar in Perry Ko's once or twice.
Posted by Ignatz Mouse on May 30, 2013 at 3:36 AM · Report this
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"Yeah, you can fight for your rights .. if you want to get into a firefight with somebody over $11 and a glucometer, I will not deny you that pleasure."

So exactly at what point would you stop being a victim and stand up for yourself?

Posted by PaulBarwick on May 30, 2013 at 8:26 AM · Report this
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I hate to sound cynical or racist, but I bet this shit would not have happened if you live in the North End. Also, you should've given them the business end of that U-lock; they work pretty well. The real solution to the problem of out-of-control youth is to a) require some sort of a TEST before people are allowed to REPRODUCE, and b) HOLD PARENTS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF THEIR CHILDREN.
Posted by yuppiefag on May 30, 2013 at 8:42 AM · Report this
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BIRTH CONTROL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by yuppiefag on May 30, 2013 at 9:01 AM · Report this
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Oh, shit--I forgot to be Politically Correct!!!!
The Stranger Thought Police( a subsidiary of Gay Gentrification LLLLLC) might haul me in for re-education!!!!! They control the Art & Music scene here and everywhere-just a matter of time before we all kowtow to their dirty butts!!!!
Posted by yuppiefag on May 30, 2013 at 9:07 AM · Report this
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@21 Sorry, asshole, but we couldn't afford those neighborhoods. We moved into one with warring hispanic drug gangs, strip clubs, vacant factories, winos, junkies, and killings every Saturday night. It's a half mile to the subway, and a goodly walk anywhere else, and we walk, or bike, all the time. So fuck you, you trembling, fearful, gun-packing pussy.
Posted by Brooklyn Reader on May 30, 2013 at 10:07 AM · Report this
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Armed robbery, no police report? No cop names?

Total and utter bullshit. Calling Mike Daisy.
Posted by Sugartit on May 30, 2013 at 10:29 AM · Report this
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#71, this didn't happen in Beacon Hill either. Not to our lying buddy Tobias Hyphen-Hyphen, anyway. He made it up because he had to meet a fiction mag's deadline.
Posted by Unbrainwashed on May 30, 2013 at 11:19 AM · Report this
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Let me guess, Jennifer Fox is pregnant again.
Posted by Mike Daisy School of Journalism on May 30, 2013 at 11:43 AM · Report this
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Tobias, Sorry you went through all that. You're lucky to be alive after 2 muggings. You did good. You're still alive and you didn't get the beat down.

Some thoughts:
1) Cultivate awareness of who is on the street around you.
2) Carrying pepper spay or a baton type weapon allow you to repel attackers without killing.
3) Avoid areas with young punks. Use different routes home depending on circumstances.

Only my opinion, but if you don't adapt to the threats around you, your luck will eventually run out. Stay alert.
Posted by mango40 on May 30, 2013 at 12:03 PM · Report this
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#78, Tobias didn't go through that. He made it up, sucker. Or maybe he will produce a copy of the police report.
Posted by Unbrainwashed on May 30, 2013 at 12:20 PM · Report this
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I decided to carry my work wrench in my pocket when I took the train home to Beacon Hill last night at midnight.. Never had to pull it out but the scenarios running through my head as I walked home kind of freaked me out.. Even that innocuous of a 'weapon' in my pocket made me a little amped up. I didn't like it. I can see how carrying a gun would make people paranoid and twitchy.
Posted by BeaconHill on May 30, 2013 at 2:08 PM · Report this
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Stop the presses - clueless dude walks into a tiger cage draped with steaks and gets jumped.

Sure getting robbed/assaulted sucks and it sure would be great if we could get poor teen males to mellow out but who thinks that's going to happen soon. Know the situation.
Posted by Art Vandal on May 30, 2013 at 5:19 PM · Report this
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As a 35+ year veteran of the work force and 3 time crime victim, I need to mention a few things to the author.
Facts are stubborn things, here are a few:
-- you are clearly over employed slinging plates, your logic skills are zip and street sweeping sounds more fitting
-- the silly dream that more legal guns is a bad idea is not demonstrated by any facts on this planet. Check the stats for the disarmed in Australia and England. Gun ownership is up in the past 20 years, violent crime is down. Look it f'ing up. Demonstrate the intelligence to stay over employed as a plate slinger.
-- reducing income inequality and increasing access to public transit late at night— HUH? Communism (income equality) and Socialism (mass transit) have been failures every time. There is almost 50% of our transportation dollars going to mass transit which provides THREE percent of all daily trips. Please keep your distance from my sphincter, WSDOT et al have been working it way too hard for years.
-- in short, killing low life petty thieves may not be the answer but I can guarantee you would feel better after that than you will the next time someone makes you a vuh-jay-jay AGAIN.
Posted by No More Victim on May 30, 2013 at 6:18 PM · Report this
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I don't envy nor blame you for the unfortunate set of circumstance you've found yourself in (twice.) It's fortunate that you didn't sustain lasting injuries and were able to escape relatively unscathed. If you choose not to arm yourself (firearm or otherwise) that is entirely your choice. I hope you take some lessons learned from these incidents and use them to avoid stupid people in stupid places at stupid times doing stupid things.

However, I don't think you've interpreted these muggings correctly. Both times, you were threatened with a disparity of force. A group, and a gun. You left yourself to the mercy of a thug and mob mentality. You hoped for a good outcome. Without the will or the means to fight back all you could do was hope. Hope that your $11 will make them happy. Hope that your iphone will make them go away. In case your missing the point, hope is longing for a future condition over which you have no agency.

If you're solution for personal safety and looking out for the safety of friends and family is to hope you'll never get mugged or be the victim of crime; then I wish you all the best.

Let me know how that impotent feeling of victimization is working out for you.
Posted by Lando Commando on May 30, 2013 at 7:21 PM · Report this
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Sorry to hear about your experiences, Tobias. I've grown around Beacon Hill all my life and haven't gotten mugged, once. I attribute that not to being some sort of macho superman; just situational awareness and not putting myself in situations where I'm likely to get hit up by a group of bored high schoolers or wannabe stick-up kids.

No sensible person craves violence or wants to hurt people, but self-defense is a human right.
If I'm walking by myself on Beacon Hill, I take my chances. If I'm with my wife and 2 young children, you can bet your hipster backside than I'm using my concealed carry permit and packing a piece that I've spent time training with - not because I'm Charlie Bronson, but because I love my family and I value their lives too much to late some punk make the decisions about whether or not he feels like raping my wife or hurting my children.

I know The Stranger is a pro-human rights paper... I'm surprised more honesty about the issues of guns and self-defense aren't being addressed. Google "Pink Pistols .org" if you really want to know wassup. Or go to:

http://www.pinkpistols.org/

Posted by the206thsense on May 30, 2013 at 8:33 PM · Report this
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Sounds like you did the right thing. The 11 dollars and phone can be replaced.

Its a good thing you arent one of these scared sheeple who walks around with a gun. Pulling a gun in this situation would likely end with the wannabb gangsters shooting you then taking your shit. Life ain't as simple as some gun toting teabagger fantasy where you just pull a gun shoot everyone whenever you feel like it.
Posted by S T on May 30, 2013 at 8:40 PM · Report this
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"If I'm walking by myself on Beacon Hill, I take my chances. If I'm with my wife and 2 young children, you can bet your hipster backside than I'm using my concealed carry permit and packing a piece that I've spent time training with - not because I'm Charlie Bronson, but because I love my family and I value their lives too much to late some punk make the decisions about whether or not he feels like raping my wife or hurting my children. "

More like because you are paranoid and stupid. Just sayin.
Posted by S T on May 30, 2013 at 8:45 PM · Report this
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"-- in short, killing low life petty thieves may not be the answer but I can guarantee you would feel better after that than you will the next time someone makes you a vuh-jay-jay AGAIN."

Yeah killing someone over a phone and some pocket change makes sense, dipshit.
Posted by S T on May 30, 2013 at 8:48 PM · Report this
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JF 89
@87 So just sit there and take it?
Posted by JF on May 31, 2013 at 9:01 AM · Report this
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Let's see.... Peacefully hand over $11 and a cellphone then file a police report -OR- kill someone, deal with the potential legal consequences, then spend the rest of your life worrying that a friend or family member of the person you killed is going to seek revenge.

Gee, I don't know. Just flip a coin I guess.
Posted by blip on May 31, 2013 at 10:51 AM · Report this
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@90 that's why I have a small blade on me, it came with my socks but it would be perfect to stab someone with, twist, then panic and run to a police station. I'm not so sure even that would be worth the price of my cell phone, I think however the look on the assailant's face would be more than enough for me. Those delicious tears of, but god damnit, I had a gun, I was supposed to win. haha
Posted by watchout5 http://www.overclockeddrama.com on May 31, 2013 at 1:07 PM · Report this
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LIBERALS: Their hearts in the right place but their head's are up their ass!!
There are so many things wrong with this journaslit I almost don't no where to start at. I'm going to start first by laughing at the fact that he is bewildered by the fact that no body stoped to help him.... OK, so since your not willing to stand up for yourself a person driving by should stop and stand up for you? IDIOT! Of course if they had stoped to help they were just suppose to say "HEY STOP THAT'S NOT RIGHT"? Because as he pointed out when a police officer told him to arm himself that that was just stupid. Soooo let me get this right they should stop and help you when you have a small "mob" of teenagers asaulting you... But they should only use words, you can't arm/defend yourself. "MORONIC" I also love that he says that's just how people in Seattle are, we just stand by and watch people get robbed. Well idiot I don't know where you're from but here we don't feel the need to put our lives on the line for someone who wont even stand up for themself. If the roles were reversed your saying that you would stop and help that person. let me guess you would be the first person to jump in and save the day by brokering some sort of peace deal is that it. I really want to go on & on about what an idiot you are and what selfish, self centered, arogant people you and those who think like you are but I'm not. Because there is no way of reasoning with a crazy person. I say that becuase in your head you live in this utopian world were everyone gets along and there is no crime or wars to worry about. When in reality those are things we have to come face to face with and deal with them. Honestly go back to school so that you can become even more educated & end up becoming this countries verison of a "WMD". It needs to be a law that if you haven't been a resident of washington for 7 years your not allowed to vote. Know what the difference between liberals from out of state and the one's that are from here is? The one's that grew up here have brains and are actually in touch with reality (for the most part). SERIOUSLY it's journalists like you that are the real Weapons of Mass Destruction and are going to be the one's who rip this country apart by writting about fear and creating mass hystaria. Sorry if this isn't written in perfect english I only have a high school education.
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Posted by Save Seattle on May 31, 2013 at 1:47 PM · Report this
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"I really want to go on & on about what an idiot you are and what selfish, self centered, arogant people you and those who think like you are but I'm not. "

Damn. Were you looking in a mirror when you wrote that?

Posted by S T on May 31, 2013 at 4:35 PM · Report this
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So because the author is a is unable and unwilling to take the right mindset to protect himself and his close ones... everyone else should be disarmed?

Sorry, not buying it. You can choose to leave yourself at the mercy of thugs and criminals, I will chose to exercise the option to defend myself as my judgement sees fit.

Thankfully, the United States Supreme Court agrees with me, and we live in a nation of laws.

Sincerely,
Seattle resident and concealed pistol license holder.
Posted by Roy on May 31, 2013 at 5:16 PM · Report this
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The Stranger is such a rag. If you want to write an article about gun control, write it. Don't disguise it as a story about being mugged. I was digging the story until I got blinded sided by your politics. The Stranger is no better than Fox News, just targeted at different idiots.
Posted by Screw politics on May 31, 2013 at 6:40 PM · Report this
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@74
Oh look a new yorker who is all talk.

You shitheads seem to flap your lips anytime they are not wrapped around nanny bloombergs titty. I have yet to meet one with a spine to match his mouth.
Posted by Cascadian Bacon on May 31, 2013 at 6:57 PM · Report this
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at 53 Hernandez is on trial because he killed a guy and they´re going to try and figure out whether he killed him in a legally permissible manner. obviously that law is wild and he should go to jail

I agree that it´s just news because of the ´race card´. You´re also correct in diagnosing the deliberate sheltering of the mainstream sensibility from facts about conditions and behaviors in underclass ghettos. I think you should think patiently about whether the lack of coverage of black on black violence is meant to protect the reputations of black men, though. They´re certainly policed and imprisoned very aggressively. When I see those sorts of stats I wonder whether those policies are effective. To me it seems like liberals say ¨education¨ and conservatives say ¨prison¨ and both miss the point.

Also, I think lots of black victims of gun violence own(ed) guns.
Posted by D supreme on May 31, 2013 at 7:26 PM · Report this
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@96 You evidently enjoy living in your little fantasy world, you pussy. I hope the real world never intrudes on you, as you'll probably end up shooting an innocent bystander. Or your own loved one in the dark.

Enjoy your paranoia, shithead, you evidently love it, and your bravado, more than life itself.

What you find paralyzingly fearful, is just a little everyday texture to those of us who know how to live in the real world.

As for Bloomberg, he's not so bad. He's held down taxes, cut way down on corruption, and ushered in a building boom like we haven't seen in ages. Giuliani with all his cronyism and egocentricity did little for this city other than make it feel like a police state for a few years. You don't even live here, so I have no idea what you think you're bitching about, bitch, but I can tell you we're going to miss Bloomberg when his term is up. Even though I'm a Democrat, I don't expect much from our next mayor, even if he or she is a Democrat.
Posted by Brooklyn Reader on May 31, 2013 at 8:05 PM · Report this
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Fact is, he was not prepared to deal with it any other way, with whatever means were available and possible, the first time. To extrapolate on his own experience, and apply it in judgement of others who choose to defend themselves, espeically when it's possible to do so, is the hight of conceited ignorance. It would not surprise me that he shivers in fear at the very sight of a firearm in his presence, pointed at him or not.

I fully expect him to be killed by another mugging within a few years-- By having the shit kicked out of him after he asks for his stuff back.
Posted by Nemo on May 31, 2013 at 8:14 PM · Report this
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The smart inference would be about self-defense when it is POSSIBLE and NOT possible, not about guns per se. In fact, if he was armed and had any kind of basic knowledge, he could have showed him his piece when they first jumped out in front of him. 9 out of 10 they are not willing to risk THEIR life for $11 either. The only reason they attacked them is that they likely presented themsleves as vulnerable in the first place. He was lucky, some people in that situation are shot out of spite. For $11.

Firearms were not referred to as the great equilizer for nothing. On the streets, it's not always the civilized utopia you wish Seattle to be, and it never will be.
Posted by Nemo on May 31, 2013 at 8:28 PM · Report this
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@ 96, I have no doubt that Brooklyn Reader is tougher than you. He demonstrates strength of character on a regular basis, while you display fear, fear, fear, and fear.

Always bet on the guy who has character, even if he weighs half as much as the scared guy with the weapon.
Posted by Matt from Denver on May 31, 2013 at 8:29 PM · Report this
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The biggest problem most of us oldsters have with the hipster class is their insistence that their stories deserve telling. This story does not deserve telling. I could stack the people that have been mugged at gunpoint more than once from here to the moon. Most of them are brown and poor, or white trash, and care about the speakers in their car, enjoy fast food, and watch network television and the entire Scary Movie series.
Posted by fetish on May 31, 2013 at 9:16 PM · Report this
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I sometimes have to house sit a few blocks from where this article took place. I had a guy hassle me for money saying he needed help since he just got out of jail. I looked him in the eye, put my hand in my coat and on my pistol and walked right passed him. He knew what was up.
Posted by bandelero on May 31, 2013 at 9:21 PM · Report this
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I carry and never have been mugged. Criminals have a funny way of backing down when you look them in the eyes and put your hand in your coat. If you want to be mugged and tell all your friends the story of how big of a pussy you are then great. One day it's just $11 then its getting your head smashed in for no good reason.
Posted by bandelero on May 31, 2013 at 9:29 PM · Report this
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@101, are you serious? As a former Empire Stater, I recognize east coast macho bravado for being the insecurity that it is.

I too, would love to have your magical ability to tell people's true character through internet shit talk... but I think you are mistaking political sameness with strength of character... a critical mistake amigo!

PS: Real tough guys have cauliflower ears and don't talk shit places where no one can get punched. Like the internet.
Posted by Roy on May 31, 2013 at 9:41 PM · Report this
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Here's the gist of this whole episode. Punks are on the street 24/7 and you better get used to it. They hassle each other and they will hassle you. Many youth like being outlaws. They do this because it's FUN. Rich kids, poor kids, middle class kids, they all like to be punks when it suits them. I've been there and regret it. You can't control this completely. Street kids carry all types of weapons, like it or not. They're afraid of each other more than you know. Stay out of their way as mobs of youth are always volatile. Hardened thugs are just a fact of life. Consider them armed. Maintain "situational awareness" at all times. If you carry, know how and when to shoot. Run or change direction first, then at least you pull yourself together for a fight. Whatever you do, do'nt become a passive, trembling, victim. That's your death warrant.
Posted by Contractor on June 1, 2013 at 9:23 AM · Report this
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@Andrew S and all the other anti-Blackist here can go suck a Black dick then die:are you gonna blame poor Black youth for the eCONomy?Iraq?Afghanistan?The "lost" trillions we gave to the Spentagon?You do know that KKKoppigs go after Blacks males and let White guys go (just ask Chuck Hagel's son). Keep living in a dream,you willfully-ignorant motherfuckers. --- http://www.blackagendareport.com
Posted by 5th Columnist on June 1, 2013 at 11:11 AM · Report this
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I remember hearing about how Native Americans were minding their own damn business,when all of a sudden a bunch of Europeans mugged them . . .ditto for Native Africans and Australians . . . .I'm just sayin'. . .o.O
Posted by 5th Columnist on June 1, 2013 at 11:14 AM · Report this
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What bothers me is that no one had the sensible advice to demand that King County Metro pull surveillance camera footage from in front of the station when the mob of hooligans attempted to rob the biker... Seems that with the pervasive surveillance there should have been ample opportunity to obtain footage and track down the assailants and lock the bastards away.
Posted by Xrock on June 1, 2013 at 2:20 PM · Report this
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You were mugged, ok. Then you go on to get high minded about being "non=violent" etc. Here is what I do not get, and here is what makes me want to punch you in the face and steal your glucometer: when the lad asked you for the time, why did you ignore him? Maybe it was a test "if this cat acts like a decent person to me, we wont thump him and jack his shit". Unfortunetly for you, you failed the test. You could not offer up the smallest bit of decency and acknowledge the gent in any fashion. K, what?

I lived in your city for several years, the one thing above others that would make me want to lash out is the way folks go out of the way to avoid being human. I do not give two shits for your glucometer and smartphone,, and I do not buy for a second that you are non-violent. Being an uppitty asshole that can't give a brother the time of day is absolutely violent.
Posted by bakatya on June 1, 2013 at 6:20 PM · Report this
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Pussy.
Posted by LMNOP on June 1, 2013 at 8:32 PM · Report this
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Why do half of you idiots even read the paper, when all you're going to do is complain about how stupid the writer is and how much better you are and blah blah blah. For people talking about how tough they are, y'all come off like a big bunch of fucking whiners. Did you run out of actual friends to bitch at, so now you have to come online to do it too??
Posted by jennys on June 1, 2013 at 9:05 PM · Report this
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I really do wonder how half of you get off talking like this when you know fully well anyone who puts their mind toward their physical being could tear you to pieces.

All I had to say to the guy was to not stop when someone gets in your way.

Too bad its a work of fiction.
Posted by you_are_stupid_no_really on June 1, 2013 at 11:06 PM · Report this
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How insulting to be publicly called out as a delusional coward in a public forum such as the stranger just because I choose to carry a defensive handgun so that I may defend my rights! Guns will be here with or without the NRA, its obvious that you live so far out in lalaland that you were probably an easy target for common bottom of the rung predatory street vultures looking for some easy prey. Surviving natural selection is determined by your choices and actions. I honestly can't remember the last time I read such inflammatory garbage but I tell u what...I don't need a gun to kick your ass.
Posted by guntotingmoron on June 2, 2013 at 6:47 AM · Report this
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"How insulting to be publicly called out as a delusional coward in a public forum such as the stranger just because I choose to carry a defensive handgun so that I may defend my rights! "

Truth hurts doesn't it?

"I don't need a gun to kick your ass."

Yeah right bitch. Youd piss yourself walking down the street without your gun to comfort you.

Posted by S T on June 2, 2013 at 9:19 AM · Report this
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Seattle has always been ghetto without a car. Unlike the east coast cities, the most convenient neighborhoods in Seattle are ghetto! So called bad areas of Miami, DC, and NY, don't even come close to the zoo that i see here in a normal area. You need a car here to live in dignity. West coast of America is still a wild wild west. Mental illness and world's most obnoxious black teens is what comes to mind if you spend too much time walking and riding buses in Seattle. Thanks i gave it so many tries, no more bus for me here.
Posted by mike4mike on June 2, 2013 at 9:54 AM · Report this
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S_T you are making some pretty big generalizations about gun owners as well. I suggest you take a step back as well and see things from both sides. Whether or not someone chooses to carry a gun doesn't necessarily make them brave or a coward. I know you might be reacting to being called names by some poster on here but come on man.
Posted by SeattleRoar on June 2, 2013 at 5:04 PM · Report this
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S_T, hey numb nuts, it's funny of you to make so many assumptions about people you know nothing about on the internet. But now you seem like the person that when you yell "HEY DOUCHEBAG!" At a crowd of people, you reply with "what?". Also, I don't carry everywhere I go.
Posted by guntotingmoron on June 2, 2013 at 6:22 PM · Report this
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I'm not even going to read the previous comments. These gun control arguments always get out of hand but the article immediatly made me think of London. Consider the large amount of violent crimes there even with the lack of pistols. A knife can do some impressive damage, they're easier to conceal and more people are willing to use them.
Posted by Proteus013 on June 2, 2013 at 6:58 PM · Report this
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In my book, you are lower than the thugs who attacked you. Maybe you are expiating racial guilt, maybe you just enjoy playing the victim. Maybe you think it's somebody else's responsibility to protect you as you wander the urban jungle at night. Either way, people like you disgust me. You are not even fully human, as you lack the self-respect to stand up for what you are, or to defend yourself violent attack. You are merely food for the predators. So spare us the whining. Either stop spouting stupid cliches about gun ownership and learn how to defend yourself, or move to a safer part of town.
Posted by AllenW on June 2, 2013 at 7:05 PM · Report this
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@110, perhaps. They were looking for a target and OP probably came across as being afraid of someone wearing a hoodie, asking for the time. Its a kind of freeze response and its a dead giveaway of someone lacking self confidence.
Posted by Holmes on June 2, 2013 at 7:11 PM · Report this
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maybe they were. i was a little harsh, but the OP does come off as high-minded and too good for the hood. a man asks for the time of day, simple enough.
Posted by bakatya on June 3, 2013 at 5:57 AM · Report this
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@41
"and i hope your assailants are apprehended and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."

The FULLEST extent of the law; is that a threshold beyond the "full" extent of the law?

We can only hope the prosecuting attorney devotes 110% effort.
Posted by Texas10R on June 3, 2013 at 6:31 AM · Report this
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106 has it right...and

Keep your shit together: That means ALWAYS know where you are and don't be ignorant of the possible threats around you.

Don't put yourself in a position of great danger by stumbling down the sidewalk, obviously drunk and VULNERABLE.
If you aren't prepared to put up a fight, maybe you aren't prepared for a "tipsy" stroll through the city.

Don't carry a weapon – any weapon – you aren't prepared and trained to use; it will be used against you.

Don't rely on public transit for your safety.

Violent a-holes are all around. Your eyes should be all around, but don't let your body language project fear; stand firm and let your posture state your calm awareness of the people in your vicinity.

Posted by Texas10R on June 3, 2013 at 7:18 AM · Report this
smajor82 125
My take away from the article - our hypothetical feelings about how to handle street violence have very little to do with how we will actually handle street violence.

My take away from the comments - Andrew S. is an idiot.
Posted by smajor82 on June 3, 2013 at 7:26 AM · Report this
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Yeah, @110, while I'm always polite and friendly to all I meet -- especially when I'm packing -- I resent your implication that an innocent person going about his lawful business in a public place needs to pass some bullshit ghetto attitude test. That's just a cheap attempt to capitalize on white guilt, making the victim blame himself. You can stick your test where the sun don't shine.
Posted by AllenW on June 3, 2013 at 8:58 AM · Report this
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#126. So if in passing, I say to you ' Hey bud, you got the time?', and you ignore me like a chicken shit coward would,, well, I'm not going to jack your iPhone, but I will think you're a DB. It's not a ghetto test, it's a humanity test.
Posted by bakatya on June 3, 2013 at 11:43 AM · Report this
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A mugger asks for the time a.) so you can show him if your stuff (i.e. watch, phone) is worth stealing, b.) to direct your attention away from him and c.) so you render yourself defenseless to attack when you're fishing your phone out of your pocket.

But by all means, take an active role in your own mugging. Because--I say--doing so is much better than showing *bad manners* to a street thug.
Posted by repete on June 3, 2013 at 12:19 PM · Report this
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I find these comment wars kinda entertaining. There are always a couple fringe camps, and the sensible middle is almost always perfectly defined by whatever everyone is not saying.

1-trying to pull out a gun, spray, knife, etc in the middle of a mugging is almost always a ticket to the ER.

2-it is certainly not ideal to just hand over whatever you have to anyone who is threatening

3-but the calculus of value vs threat often means that is the most practical thing to do

4-social issues, poor parenting, drugs/alcohol, greed, etc certainly play a role...and these sorts of crimes (and the expense of prevention and intervention) are like a tax to replace the one we didn't pay in the first place.

5-But removing personal responsibility from a perpetrator creates what economists refer to as a Moral Hazard, whereby gains are private but consequences are public.

So yeah, we all have the Charles Bronson fantasy when something like this happens, but it is ill considered. No one is a 'pussy' for not killing another person over a couple bucks, or for not trying to fight 4 people at once, etc.
Posted by Chris Jury http://www.thebismarck.net on June 4, 2013 at 1:48 PM · Report this
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How the hell did these kids in front of the Lightrail station on beacon hill form a "human barricade"? was there 150 of them? that whole area is WIDE OPEN. I could see maybe if you were riding through a narrow alley how this might be possible but come on. this story is horse shit.
Posted by think_about_it_u_douche on June 4, 2013 at 2:34 PM · Report this
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People in Seattle have a thing for misusing the term 'mugging'. What happened here in both these instances was actually a *holdup*.

A mugging is when someone clocks you upside your head to knock you out, then takes you shit.

The process of pointing a deadly weapon at you and demanding your valuables is called a holdup.

Please stop misusing the term mugging, unless you're physically struck by your assailant before being robbed.
Posted by El Steven http://misterstevengomez.com on June 4, 2013 at 4:12 PM · Report this
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@127 I don't owe you shit, asshole. I don't owe you a smile, a hello, or a dollar. Especially when you demand I give you the time without first introducing yourself. Who the fuck are you? The Queen?

It's no surprise your pathetic ass can't even keep track of time, let alone understand good manners is not injecting yourself into other peoples lives when ever you see fit.

And I don't give shit what you think of anybody who doen'st conform to your idiotic entitled Mayberry sidewalk lack of time keeping. Go fuck yourself.
Posted by tkc on June 4, 2013 at 4:29 PM · Report this
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I doubt this will get any attention, as I'm not a registered commenter - but the modus operandi of a single hooded young man asking a pedestrian or couple walking alone between midnight-3am for the time, before the rest of his crew emerging from the bushes and robbing the victims at gunpoint, is exactly the same as several incidents reported in the past couple months. I believe the Stranger may have covered a hold-up at the top of Queen Anne which fits this pattern in a spring or winter publication.

I don't know whether this is too common of a tactic to be of any note, but it piques my interest.
Posted by abcjsdkjfdshfdshhklsdf on June 4, 2013 at 6:00 PM · Report this
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#130, you're pretending to represent the "sensible middle," but the victim is to blame here because we don't pay enough taxes? You're no better than that jackass #127.

I've learned through bitter personal experience that you can give up your valuables and still end up getting hurt, if your assailant feels for whatever reason that he is entitled to hurt you. And your glib assertion that pulling a weapon will "almost always" get you injured is without factual basis. Resistance is not without risk, but neither is passivity.

If you want to be a bleeding heart and wring your hands over whether your assailants think you are cool, or whether they are receiving enough social services at taxpayer expense, be my guest. If you want to paint a caricature of anybody who defends himself against street crime as living in a "Charles Bronson fantasy," be my guest. Just stop pretending to be the "sensible middle." You're actually as much a masochist as the guy who wrote the original column.

Posted by AllenW on June 4, 2013 at 8:24 PM · Report this
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That’s the kicker…the liberals believe social equality in all forms and a grand government largess trumps over second amendment rights and personal freedoms. These are same deluded hip “hypnotics” that believe the current administration is engendering and different from all the previous corrupt ones. And those who demand to be given proper respect when approaching strangers for the time, grow the hell up and buy a big boy’s watch.
Posted by liberty4all on June 5, 2013 at 6:21 AM · Report this
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It's not prejudiced to be streetwise. In an urban environment you should keep your head up and moving around, observing everyone in the vicinity to identify possibly threatening individuals to keep clear of.

If you see a young black male looking/walking/acting thuggish in a stereotypical way, It's OK to keep your eye on him and keep your distance.

I can assure you that black people do the same, since they're statistically more likely to be crime VICTIMS.

As far as "fighting back" after you were accosted, you did the right thing by giving them your stuff. They were young, strong, and hopped up on their own adrenalin. Even if they had no gun, they could have hurt you badly or killed you with just their fists and feet, just like what happened to Tuba Man.

Finally, "income inequality" or some other excuse didn't make these criminals who they are. It was brutality and neglect within their own families and a culture within their communities that glorifies predatory behavior that creates these criminals.
Posted by TheBadSeed131313 on June 5, 2013 at 2:50 PM · Report this
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So sorry these things happened in anyone's life, and glad you lived to tell the tale.
I have to disagree with the opening of your closing paragraph,
"Gun ownership is just not the solution to street crime."

It is A solution, just one you don't want to employ. I AM a gun owner, and have not thought once about carrying after careful consideration decades ago.

I agree that is not a solution to street crime that I am willing to use. Nor do I think I could live with myself in the same way, were I to either have the need or to have successfully defend myself or others, by ending someone else's life.

I do know that some see the weapon as a totem of power, empowering them to engage in all sorts of otherwise abnormal behavior.

Again, sorry this happened to you or anyone, and thanks for the article and for keeping your wits and values about you, apparently at all times.
Posted by Nuclear Marc on June 5, 2013 at 7:16 PM · Report this
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Why is it that people equate lack of firearms to "Unarmed"?
Posted by ROFLCatDown on June 6, 2013 at 3:42 PM · Report this
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"Thank God I'm a country boy!"
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1) Muggers were black. 2) Rob me and I will kill you.
Posted by Boxer on June 9, 2013 at 7:14 AM · Report this

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