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The Woman in 606

Aftermath of a Stranger’s Death and the Puzzle of Psychosis

The Woman in 606

Malcolm smith

THE ALLEY WHERE HER LIFE ENDED She fell from the top floor.

Six months ago, my boyfriend and I were watching a movie in our apartment when he looked up and said, "Something's wrong." A moment later, he was pressed up against the front door, listening and whispering, "Something crazy's happening. Don't open the door. Something crazy's happening."

I listened through the door, and he was not wrong: Something crazy was happening. It sounded like a lovers' quarrel—shrieking woman, some man's voice, sudden crashes, doors slamming—and then it became clear that more than one man was involved. The male voices were calm, but the woman's screams smeared into the air, punctuated by adamant, half-heard declarations. Junkies wailing in distress in the hallway wouldn't be entirely unheard of, considering we live at the intersection of two busy streets on Capitol Hill, where junkies wail about their problems all the livelong night, but we're on the sixth floor, and anyway it sounded less like junkies wailing and more like a kindergarten being slaughtered. My boyfriend was worried about us stepping out into the middle of something we didn't want to be in the middle of, but whatever it was, at least one woman was being tortured, and are you going to be the guy who stayed in your apartment while your neighbor was being tortured?

Of course not.

So I vetoed my boyfriend and opened the door.

Half a dozen neighbors were already in the hallway, each outside their doors. I did not know any of their names. When I moved into the building seven years ago, I made it a point to meet my neighbors, but by now all those people had been replaced by strangers. Several looked at me like Where the hell have you been? It was clear no one knew what to do. The noises were coming from apartment 606, 30 feet from my door. The door to 606 was shut. I had no idea who lived there. One of the neighbors standing in the hallway, who introduced himself as Tom, started filling me in. He had been in bed just a few minutes before midnight when he heard the screams. Tom and another neighbor I'd never met, Dharma, who lives on the opposite end of the hall, had been the first to come out of their apartments to see what the trouble was. The woman in 606 had answered her door wearing only her underwear, they said, and Tom and Dharma had talked to her.

Or at least they had participated in an interaction involving words.

What she said didn't make any sense. She told them she was from the future. "I came back to get something," she said. She had covered her body in white powder and she was saying, "The cat's out of the bag," while holding a white sack with a cat in it, which she had stabbed "approximately seven times" with a butcher knife, according to a later police report.

She also said, "I killed it." When Dharma asked what she'd killed, she replied, "Me."

The woman told them to call her boyfriend, Thomas. She said she wasn't leaving without him, even though they hadn't asked her to go anywhere. She gave Thomas's number to Dharma, and then she slammed her door. That's when I walked out into the hallway. Dharma was on the phone with Thomas, trying to explain what was going on, telling him we didn't know what to do, telling him we were thinking of calling the cops. From the sound of it, Thomas was not interested. "Well, I guess if someone's calling the police, the police will handle it," Thomas said, according to Dharma.

So we did what anyone would do if a neighbor started stomping around, shrieking, smashing things, slamming doors, and stabbing a cat.

We called the cops.

Later, some of us would regret calling the cops, in light of what happened as soon as they got there. At the time, my main apprehension was that I'd just been spending some quality time with my boyfriend and my other friend and my bong. But I had to trust that whatever was happening in 606 was going to be more important to the cops than three stoners watching a movie.

Another neighbor I'd never met—a dance student at Cornish College of the Arts, I found out later, named Amy—grumbled as she dialed 911 that this would mean she would have to be up all night. I dashed into my apartment to hide the weed and returned to the hallway to listen to Amy describe the scene to SPD dispatch.

Amy said into her phone, "Is it an emergency? I don't know if it's an emergency..."

It was "insane" she didn't know it was an emergency, my boyfriend said later, but as she said it, I got hung up on the word, too. I sympathized with her language moment there. It wasn't precisely an emergency. It involved one person. It was contained behind a white wooden door. None of the neighbors were in danger. The cat was not having a great day. But by the sound of it, the cat was now moot.

The screaming and crashing did not let up.

Good thing the cops were en route.

Unlike her boyfriend, the cops were coming.

The cops arrived quickly, pounded twice, spoke loudly: "SEATTLE POLICE!" Within 30 seconds, they'd kicked in her door. The sound of it crashing open was so loud I jumped, even though I saw it happening. "I thought I was in a movie or something," Dharma said later. "Is this The Matrix? Do these guys know something we don't know? Why are they rushing to get her door down so quickly? Are they trying to get her before she transports back to the future or something? And if someone was in there having a psychotic breakdown, is that the best way to handle it? To startle them and kick in the door?"

The cops raced in to face whatever demons were in 606 and then, not five seconds later, raced right back out.

Whoosh.

Two blurry cops passing right back through the doorframe.

Which made no sense.

They tracked out white powder onto the red-and-gold carpet.

The white powder she'd covered her body in, she'd covered her apartment in, too.

As the cops ran through the hallway and down the stairs, one of them said either "She jumped" or "We got a jumper," depending on which neighbor you ask.

According to Officer Adley Shepherd, who wrote the police report, when he entered the apartment, he "observed a lone female seated on the ledge of the wide open window facing northbound. The female, later identified as subject Alyssa Rosado, looked at me and said something undecipherable while at the same time bowing her head and falling out the six-story window. I sprinted toward Rosado, but was unable to get her before she fell."

Rosado landed facedown in a concrete alley behind the building—and not a proper alley but a dead-end between buildings, part of the fenced-in area where the trash and recycling bins are. Part of her body hit an air-conditioning unit that refrigerates an American Apparel.

According to the police report:

Officers sprinted down the stairs to provide aid to Rosado. To get to Rosado, officers had to breach the chain link fence by cutting through the links with wire cutters. SFD responded and attempted to provide Rosado with medical care. SFD was unable to treat Rosado's mortal injuries.

Officers returned to the apartment and discovered an injured white cat that was wrapped in a white sack and tucked away in a basket on the bookshelf...

A six-story fall could go either way, but we weren't about to go downstairs and get in the way, so for a period of time, none of us knew what happened. I knew I could call SPD in the morning to find out, and besides, we have a view of the street from our apartment, where the sanguine glitter of emergency vehicles had gathered. I figured I could watch the gurney go into the ambulance and get my answer based on whether she was covered in a white sheet.

The ambulance sat there with its doors open. A few ambulance guys stood around, waiting for the gurney to return. I could tell from the casual way one of them was standing, the way he rocked back and forth, or did a dance move, or whatever it was he was doing, that this was not tense for him, that there was no urgency. My boyfriend was sobbing into his hands and saying repeatedly that he was having a panic attack. As I was comforting him, I looked away from the view of the ambulance, and when I looked back, the doors were shut and the ambulance was rolling away, in no apparent hurry, with its lights out.

The friend who'd been over watching a movie with us, Chris Parks, is an off-track snowboarder who'd recently survived two avalanches. He started shaking uncontrollably. He held out a hand to show us. Coincidentally, Chris was the building's maintenance guy seven years ago when I moved in. We became friends early on because my apartment needed a lot of maintenance—there was no kitchen sink, the shower never fully turned off—and even though he left the building years ago, we've stayed in touch. It was Chris's job to repaint the apartment of a young man down the hall who shot himself in his kitchen shortly before I moved in. Three elderly people died right around the same time, also on the sixth floor, including a woman who had lived in my apartment for some 40 years, and it was Chris's job to clean and repaint all four apartments—make them nice for the new tenants who didn't know, like me. He hadn't been present when those tenants died, though, so it felt different this time, he kept saying. He said he felt paralyzed, but he was pacing.

It was Chris's idea to invite Tom over. Chris knew Tom from way back, because Tom is another longtime resident of the building—he used to live on another floor. Chris said Tom was out in the hall kind of blubbering or staring at the wall or something. Unlike us, Tom had interacted with Rosado—had been one of the voices in the hallway trying to calm her down.

So we invited Tom over and the four of us drank.

I had that blood-drained feeling in the head, that throb of blankness that violence emits. Pouring and repouring vodka, I went into reporter mode, feeding Tom question after question.

There were so many things to wonder about.

What was all that white powder? Tom kept saying the white powder must have been drugs—must have been cocaine or meth—but the more we talked, the more it became clear that Tom's experience with drugs is not extensive. She'd coated the place. It seemed highly unlikely that she was sitting on that quantity of drugs.

It turned out to be flour. According to an SPD spokesman reached by phone the next day, she'd punctured a bag of flour and poured it everywhere.

So did the flour have anything to do with her cat, who was also white, although probably less white after those seven stabbings with the butcher knife? Was she trying to make the cat white again? Was she trying to make the white sack the cat was in white again? Was she trying to make herself white? In the only Facebook photo of her I could find, which was just a thumbnail image—and is not online anymore—she appeared to be a dark-skinned Latina. Was covering herself in white a race thing? Was it a virginity thing? Did it have anything to do with that thing about being from the future?

Actually, the virginity thing didn't occur to me until a week later, when I got the unredacted SPD report. Officer Shepherd writes in his report that he spoke to someone on the floor who "claimed to have attended high school with Rosado but said she did not really know her." This unnamed person "later accessed Rosado's Facebook account and showed Officers several recent comments that she posted." The police report quotes two status updates on Rosado's Facebook page posted a day and a half before she died. Here is the first:

Thanks Everyone for your concern! I had a rather emotional breakthrough regarding molesting that happened in my past, I've dealt with it now and you should hope to see really great things from me.

- posted wednesday @ 1:39 pm

One minute later, Rosado wrote:

My profile is public, if you've been molested or experienced something traumatic in your past, please confide in me. I understand and can help give you the tools to cope. You can message me privately, or if you'd like to be free, please post your pain in the comments :)

- posted wednesday @ 1:40 pm

Please post your pain in the comments.

I showed the police report to a psychologist who works with psychotic patients in one of the hospitals Rosado might have been taken to, had she survived. She requested anonymity because she was commenting on the mental health of someone she'd never met, which psychologists are not supposed to do. "If you're going to have your first psychotic break," she said, and then her voice trailed off. "Lots of people are isolated. They're cut off from their families or have some kind of compromised relationship with their families. And if you have just realized that you were traumatized, and you're trying to process it, you would need a community around you—you would need a context in which that was validated, even if it was just a symbolic experience. I think it's kind of interesting culturally that we're still unable to speak about molestation and abuse in an open way, in a way that addresses what it does to human development and human minds. Because we don't, really. I don't know what her experience is, but she wanted to have her witness borne. The cop who wrote the report bore witness to her. She came out of her apartment in her underwear because she wanted to be witnessed."

She was "asking for help in a bunch of ways," the psychologist said, explaining why she might write those things on Facebook. "She's looking for people to connect with her on it. She's looking for someone to help her make sense of the confusion and secrecy and pain of it. The way she was doing it on Facebook? If I just discovered I was molested, I would not want to broadcast it to the world. On a Facebook page? There's a weird thing with people with mental illness and Facebook. With all people and Facebook. Because it's fake intimacy. The idea that you're intimate with people by making confessional statements. It's really very impersonal. You're writing something to your high-school graduating class as if you had an intimate relationship with everyone. You know that's not intimacy, right? Why would you think you have a connection with them? I think Facebook can encourage delusions and psychotic processes. It encourages a sense that everyone's a star and that everyone cares what you ate for breakfast."

Six months before her death, Rosado was fired from Castle Megastore, a sex-supply emporium, according to someone who worked with her. According to the employee, Rosado was from Alaska, and she and her mother were estranged: "Maybe emancipated at one point. You can emancipate at a certain age, like getting divorced from your parents." Asked about Rosado's personality, she said, "Extra playful. Extra chipper. Goofy, friendly, sweet. When you look at it in hindsight, you think, 'Oh, maybe it was a cover.'"

After Castle, Rosado got a job at Pagliacci Pizza in Lower Queen Anne and a volunteer gig at the Apothecary, a medical marijuana dispensary in the same building as Castle. In the weeks before her death, according to people at those companies, she was fired from both of those positions.

The psychologist went on, "For me, the test of civility is whether we protect people in a state like that, in a psychotic state. I think that's a pretty vulnerable state. I can't think of a more vulnerable state. It's like someone who's just been in an accident and is coming out of shock. A woundedness. Psychotic to me is a kind of state that's more symbolically wounded. It's an old, emotional, ineffable state that's surfacing but can't bear the intensity and burden of itself. Some schools of thought deal with a hallucination and say it has no validity at all. There's another school that would say there's a communication in the hallucination. If she just stabbed her cat, that would mean one thing, but because 'the cat's out of the bag' has meaning, the hallucination is also an attempt to communicate something. So what is being communicated?"

And what could she be trying to communicate through all that stuff about being from the future? I asked. What about the flour she poured everywhere?

"A person in a psychotic state is trying to push their reality back into the environment," the psychologist said, describing a theory from psychoanalyst Wilfred Bion. "In a sense, you're holding it because she pushed it back out of herself. She put it back into your environment—whatever she was trying to express. So you're left with it as a mystery. Everybody in proximity is left with it. Everybody who witnessed it is holding it. So the cop has to hold it. You have to hold it. Your boyfriend is trying to hold it. And it's her trauma. It's her experience of trying to communicate a trauma, while not necessarily being able to process it herself. So when you work with people who are psychotic, the challenging thing is you're dealing with unspoken, often preverbal trauma that they're not emotionally processing, so you end up holding it for them. It's almost like they scattershot their reality at everyone. You're left with the mystery, right? What was the powder? Why'd she go out the window like that? What's with the white cat? We're still in her dream with her. So in a sense"—the psychologist stopped for a moment, watching me take notes—"so in a sense, you're writing about this because in a way she left you with all these mysteries. She left you with an unfinished dream and you're trying to finish it for her."

It's impossible to know what was happening in her mind, but it's also impossible not to wonder. Five months after her death, I finally got in touch with her boyfriend, Thomas, who'd known her for three years. "I talked to her like 10 minutes before she died," he said. "But she was incoherent and didn't know who she was talking to. She ended the conversation with 'Good-bye, I have to call my boyfriend.' It was pretty weird. I had no idea what was going on." The reason Thomas wasn't there the night she died wasn't because he wasn't interested; it was because he lives in Yakima, a two-and-a-half-hour drive away. He told me she was 23 years old, her father was out of the picture, her brother was in jail, she was under a lot of stress, she'd developed odd mannerisms like "taking down a lot of notes" and "saying things that didn't always make sense," and her marijuana use was "very, very frequent" around the time of her death. The county would not release a toxicology report to Thomas—or to me—citing privacy laws. But when the cops walked into 606, they found "a strong odor of fresh burnt marijuana lingering in the air," as well as 3.5 grams of pot labeled Pineapple Express and 4.7 grams labeled Crazy Train. No other drugs were found in her apartment.

When I asked the psychologist what she would have done had Rosado survived and been admitted to her care, she said she would have put a stop to the marijuana right away. When I asked why, she seemed surprised I didn't know. "If someone has a tendency toward bipolar disorder or schizophrenia or any schizoaffective disorder, marijuana isn't good," she said. "It can cause someone to go into a psychotic break. They would have to use it for a while, but it is not ideal for anyone with any kind of psychotic tendencies."

It is an article of faith among marijuana activists (the sort of people Rosado was surrounded by at the Apothecary) that marijuana is harmless, that anyone telling you that smoking marijuana can lead to a psychotic break is spouting some Reefer Madness bullshit. And it's true that for the vast majority of adults, smoking marijuana does not cause problems. Scientists disagree about whether very heavy marijuana use can cause psychosis in people who would not otherwise become psychotic. But even a hardened skeptic like Dr. Mitch Earleywine—a psychologist on the advisory board of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, the author of Understanding Marijuana: A New Look at the Scientific Evidence, and the star of at least one YouTube video passionately poking holes in studies that say marijuana can cause psychosis—says, "If you've had one schizophrenic episode or even something more modest, and then start smoking pot heavily afterwards, you're going to be more likely than not to have a second of those psychotic episodes." Moreover, marijuana will make a psychotic episode worse than it would be otherwise. "I think it's fair to say, if you're psychotic-prone, cannabis is not a good idea," Dr. Earleywine said. "Certainly anyone who has a twin with schizophrenia, a sibling with schizophrenia, a parent with schizophrenia would do well to stay away from the plant." People with bipolar disorder are also prone to psychosis and should only use marijuana "with extreme caution."

One afternoon recently, I met Dr. Roger Roffman, professor emeritus at the University of Washington's School of Social Work, in his office up on Roosevelt Way. He has a calm demeanor and a cozy office set up for counseling sessions: He has been studying marijuana dependence for nearly 30 years. I had sent him the police report about Rosado in advance. He offered me some tea and then sat on the couch under his third-floor window and said, "The research would tend to indicate that she was loaded for an explosion."

The moment he began to speak, it began to rain.

He said what loaded her for an explosion was being sexually abused as a child and then using marijuana heavily and then experiencing psychosis. Citing data from UK researchers published in Psychological Medicine in 2011, he said, "In some case examples where forced nonconsensual sex occurred during childhood, there was a risk from that experience for later psychotic illness, and that risk was exaggerated, made even greater, if the individual used marijuana." In the data, researchers found that if an individual's sexual trauma and marijuana use both began before the age of 16, their chances of being diagnosed with psychosis later on was "over seven times" greater. The researchers wrote that among other stress factors thought to contribute to psychosis—like ethnicity, employment, drug use, and family history of mental illness—sexual trauma was one "few researchers had acknowledged."

While reading through another piece of research Dr. Roffman gave me—a case study from Colorado about a young woman's two suicide attempts following two periods of heavy medical marijuana use—I came across this sentence: "Medical marijuana systems should attempt to identify not only people who might benefit from medical marijuana, but also those who might suffer from its abuse." Seems obvious, right? But as it stands, Washington State has no "medical marijuana systems" to speak of, certainly none to educate patients about potential risks. The industry, though lucrative, doesn't invest in that stuff.

In Washington State, information about the risks of marijuana use ostensibly comes from the provider of the authorization—a physician or naturopath—but most patients don't interact with that person again after their initial visit. The authorizer isn't even allowed to recommend a good dispensary. The patient then brings their authorization to a dispensary and interacts with whomever happens to be behind the counter. It is not their job to understand the medicine, and many of them aren't trained to.

At one Seattle dispensary that prides itself on training its employees, I mentioned the decades-old scientific association between marijuana and psychosis, and the guy across the counter said he hadn't heard of it. I talked to the owner of another dispensary who had never heard of an association between marijuana and psychosis, either; when I mentioned I had copies of several studies in my backpack, he asked to Xerox them. When I asked the owner of the Apothecary, Cass Stewart, if he knew anything about the association between marijuana and psychosis, he said, "I don't." I told him that marijuana has been shown to aggravate psychotic tendencies in people with certain disorders, and he said, "I never heard that." I reiterated that for anyone with bipolar disorder or schizophrenia, marijuana can be dangerous, and he said, "Are there studies on that?"

When I asked what he remembered about Rosado, Stewart said, "She only volunteered a very short time, so I would want to make sure that's clear. We don't really have employees. She volunteered maybe three or four times, a couple weeks maybe, so it was pretty limited. I had a conversation with her sort of early on. I couldn't tell exactly what was going on with her. Her work ethic and some of her thoughts—it was a red flag for me, to be honest."

An Apothecary volunteer named Casey told me Rosado "seemed very unstable." Casey had never heard of a link between marijuana and psychosis, either. When I asked how he keeps informed on developments in marijuana research, he said, "I scour Facebook, and there's tons of different blogs and tweets, and I do see all these studies on PTSD, anti-spasmodic, autism, any sort of seizure..." he said, slipping effortlessly into the sales pitch. Asked what kind of information the Apothecary provides about the possible risks of marijuana use, Casey said, "People drop information off here all the time. We pass on information and get other information from other patients. We never claim to be scientific or 100 percent accurate."

He also said, somewhat defensively, "My opinion on her—obviously, what went down, it wasn't because she smoked a joint."

After decades of propaganda exaggerating the risks of marijuana, not to mention the unconscionable disproportionate incarceration of minorities for marijuana-related offenses, the skepticism that prevails at marijuana dispensaries about the harms of marijuana is understandable. The rhetoric is polarized in both directions: The government tells you it's an insidious evil, the activists tell you it's merely an herb. But like with any substance, there are risks—for drivers, who show impairment at certain levels of THC; for teenagers, whose frontal lobes are still developing; and for people with mood disorders that make them prone to psychosis. For all the sanctimony espoused by medical marijuana establishments about the patients and the medicine, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of concern for the science. When I told Dr. Earleywine that I had been to many medical marijuana dispensaries and had never been told anything about marijuana and psychosis—that I'd never heard of the connection before working on this story—he said, "It would make a really informative four-page handout. How hard would this be to get across?"

Which is why it's a little hard to swallow medical marijuana dispensaries' vocal and almost unanimous opposition to Initiative 502, the November ballot measure that would legalize, regulate, and tax the sale of marijuana to any adult in Washington State. I-502 would generate an estimated $2 billion in new tax revenue over five years. Annually, $44 million of that would go into educating the public with scientifically accurate information about the benefits and risks of marijuana, stepping in where the medical marijuana industry has failed. Another $4.4 million would go into research at the University of Washington and Washington State University about marijuana's long-term effects, which might finally answer the vexing questions about causation in the marijuana-psychosis link. That's not even mentioning the $22 million for community health centers, the $67 million for youth substance-abuse-prevention programs, and a whopping $222 million going into basic health. Again, every year.

"We're against 502," Apothecary owner Stewart confirmed.

Dr. Roffman, who has incensed marijuana activists by pointing out that marijuana can be harmful, happens to be a sponsor of I-502. "It took me a while to decide I wanted to do it," he conceded. "But as the initiative was being drafted, it was turning into a major instrument to enhance public health and safety." He added, "When you first called me, you said, 'I've never heard marijuana could be associated with psychosis.' And I wanted to say, 'You're damn right you haven't, because we've done a very bad job of educating the public about marijuana and its benefits and risks.'"

The morning after Rosado died, my boyfriend and I walked downstairs and behind the building to pay our respects. Everything had been cleaned up, but one side of the air-conditioning unit was dented and there were still traces of bright blood in the moss on the concrete walkway. There was also a pile of flowers left by neighbors. Two and a half months later, I had coffee with one of those neighbors, Amy, the dance student at Cornish, the one who'd grumbled about having to stay up all night as she was calling the cops. She told me, "That night is when my whole life started turning."

Three days after Rosado's death, Amy learned a family friend had died suddenly. In the aftermath of that news, she had a screaming argument with her next-door neighbor over whether Amy should have extended her condolences to the relatives who came to clean out Rosado's apartment—Amy had held a door open for them but said nothing—and the argument "shattered" their friendship. Then a coworker of Amy's at Starbucks freaked her out by saying, "They come in threes, you know... Deaths come in threes." And then six weeks later, Amy's boyfriend, also a student at Cornish, killed himself. "He had a history with depression but he was doing really well. And he really suddenly took his own life. And after that happened, I just broke down," she said. "It's a victory when I dress myself in the morning."

When Amy and I met for coffee, it had been a month since her boyfriend's suicide. She'd had trouble getting her shifts covered at Starbucks because her coworkers didn't really believe her increasingly depressing stories about why she couldn't come in. "When I sent out all these notes saying I need help covering shifts because I'm not okay, I got, like, 'I'm going shopping'... I had to quit my job because they wouldn't give me the time off... I was amazed at how little support I got from my coworkers."

And then there were the footprints.

During the first two weeks after Rosado's death, neighbors piled flowers outside Rosado's door, just as they'd piled flowers outside. But a ghostly smattering of white footprints kept showing up on the carpet outside of 606 as well. Whoever was cleaning up 606 kept tracking more flour out and leaving it there overnight. Amy said that after a few weeks of seeing "the flowers and the flour" whenever she was getting out of the elevator, she decided to move out. "I feel like that building has ghosts, and part of those ghosts are mine... I still have nightmares. I still can't sleep, since Alyssa. I would hear screaming that didn't exist," she said. She conceded that the screaming might have been coming from the Highline, a vegan hardcore club next door, in the same building as Castle and the Apothecary.

Amy happened to mention that her late boyfriend had been a pot smoker and that he'd struggled with mental illness. When I asked if she knew about the known risks of marijuana use for people with mental illness, she said, "I've never heard that before in my life." When I mentioned the link between marijuana and psychosis, she said, "Wow, I had no idea. That's really interesting... I know he was smoking a lot of pot before he died."

Truthfully, if Rosado hadn't called so much attention to her departure from the world, most of the neighbors on the sixth floor never would have noticed. It's an 88-year-old brick building with rodents and high turnover. People in the building "have their blinders on," Amy said. "I almost feel like I'm intruding if I try to have a conversation. You could say that's just Seattle, but I kind of feel like that's just the building."

The guy who shot himself in his kitchen down the hall seven years ago, shortly before I moved in, craved attention from his neighbors, at least according to the notes he wrote all over his walls. About one neighbor he wrote, "What a cunt. I had a 10-hour conversation with her nearly a year ago—I just wanted to be friends—and, for reasons I'll never know, she ignores me the next week." On a white door, he wrote, "I feel excruciating pain. No friends. No girlfriend. No job." On a wall next to the door, he wrote, referring to the Jewish god, "I sometimes think YHWH has forgotten me. Or doesn't care about me. YHWH is all I have in the afterlife. I've had a difficult and lonely life. I pray that He loves me and the afterlife is a lot easier to cope with."

He underlined "lonely" four times.

Chris Parks, the ex-maintenance guy who had to repaint those walls, took photos of them. As he explained: "It was pretty sad to be painting over the last, final expressions that the guy was trying to leave in the world, and I'm just going to cover them in primer and life goes on, right?" He burned the photos to a CD that he gave me seven years ago, but I was new to the building and too freaked out to look at them, and then I lost the CD. But shortly after Rosado's death, it turned up in a pile of papers. Looking at the guy's expressions of frantic isolation for the first time gave me a queasy feeling. It made me want to run down the hall and introduce myself to everyone in the building. It made me want to go back in time and introduce myself to Rosado. She clearly must have felt like the loneliest woman in the world the night she broke: confined to a studio apartment, estranged from her mother, three times fired, blocked from natural light by a rapidly developing new construction project, separated from her boyfriend by a mountain range, pleading for connection on Facebook. The two-story building that houses Castle and the Apothecary is right on the other side of the alley where she ended her life: She had to see it every time she looked out the window. Plus, marijuana has an isolating effect—that gauzy aloneness of being trapped in your own head.

It could not have helped matters that she happened to live in a building where none of the neighbors talk to each other.

Maybe if she knew a neighbor, she could have asked for help.

Maybe we were part of the problem.

Which is why I've spent a lot of time lately talking to the neighbors.

Even though I'd never met Tom before the night Rosado died, when he came over to drink, we found we have a lot in common. Standing inside his apartment for the first time months later, I was startled to see Rosado's window right outside his. Their apartments are at a 90-degree angle from each other. He said, "I occasionally look out there. I would sometimes look out there and still see the powder on the sill. But that was washed away by the rain eventually." We stop to talk whenever we see each other in the hallway or on the front stoop, and he's come to a few parties at my place and invited me to a few at his.

Dharma, the bicyclist and world traveler, met Rosado's cousin when she came to clean out the apartment, but Dharma then took a long trip to Spain, the Netherlands, and Guinea, so it was months before we ever got to talk. (Dharma gave me the cousin's phone number, but the cousin declined to be interviewed on the record, though she did give me Thomas's number. Thomas did not know how to get in touch with Rosado's mother and said that after the funeral, she "went AWOL.") I sat with Dharma in his apartment and we talked about Rosado, and then we talked about Guinea. "Africa was an amazing, eye-opening experience, for sure. No electricity, except for whoever has a generator. Walk a mile for water. If you want chicken, you're gonna kill it and pluck it. It's just so different, the way of life. All the stuff we have here that we take for granted is crazy."

As for Vera, the acquaintance of Rosado mentioned in the police report (the one who went to high school with Rosado but barely knew her), she answered her door the first time I knocked. She is a student at the University of Washington with beautiful eyes and a Russian accent, and she has lived on the floor as long as I have, yet looking into her face, I had no specific memory of her. She agreed it was strange that we were strangers. In Russia, she said, neighbors know each other. Vera immediately friended me on Facebook, which felt a little false, because we still didn't know each other, although also fitting, because people who hardly know each other are Facebook's forte. I wanted to be face-to-face friends more than Facebook friends, and Vera did, too, so a few weeks later, she had me over for a glass of wine and I met her boyfriend, Christian. They said they'd heard Rosado had covered her apartment in flour because she was trying to see a demon's footprints. Christian, who is Mexican, told me that Dominican people like Rosado usually "believe in voodoo."

It wasn't until I talked to Thomas that I learned that Rosado was only half Dominican—underscoring how little her only acquaintances in the building knew her. She was also half Tlingit, a people native to Alaska.

Eventually, in my conversation with Thomas, just like in my conversations with Vera and Christian and Dharma and Tom and Amy, we started talking about Rosado's cat. Whenever I see SPD spokesman Sean Whitcomb, we talk about the cat, too. In spite of being stabbed seven times, the cat survived, according to Whitcomb. He said it with awe in his voice. She made it through surgery and she was put up for adoption. recommended

 

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Cato the Younger Younger 1
You need to write more Christopher, this was really a great article. And one other suggestion...maybe time to move.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on August 22, 2012 at 9:01 AM · Report
JensR 2
THIS is one of the main reasons I sit on the other side of the planet and check the Stranger every day. Brilliant, well written articles - sweeping over several subjects.

Thanks Christopher for a good read and thanks to whomever is editor who knows the importance of giving articles and texts the room to breath and move. Its refreshing in a world of twitter-journalism.

Posted by JensR http://ohyran.se on August 22, 2012 at 10:00 AM · Report
rob! 3
That's a good heart you've got there, Christopher. Be careful with it.
Posted by rob! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBdUceCL5U on August 22, 2012 at 10:10 AM · Report
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holy shit.
Posted by Adrian Ryan on August 22, 2012 at 10:11 AM · Report
rodolfo 5
Excellent work. And fascinating. I found out in college that I'm bipolar and I decided I needed to quit smoking pot, since I reasoned (somehow) that it was contributing to my ongoing depression, and I was roundly mocked for my decision by my pot-smoking (and closest) friends. Learning now about marijuana's connection to those pre-disposed to a psychotic break (which I've mercifully never experienced), I feel a little vindicated. My logic was flawed, but my instinct was right.
Posted by rodolfo on August 22, 2012 at 10:25 AM · Report
Josh Bis 6
wow.
Posted by Josh Bis http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Author.html?oid=3815563 on August 22, 2012 at 10:38 AM · Report
TVDinner 7
It's a victory when I dress myself in the morning.

Amy, honey, hang in there. It's going to take a while, but one of these days you're going to wake up and realize that instead of feeling worse than you did the day before, you feel about the same. From there it gets incrementally better. Get dressed when you can, put one foot in front of the other when you can, and plod through this.

It may not feel like it now, but you will get through this. I promise.
Posted by TVDinner http:// on August 22, 2012 at 10:42 AM · Report
TVDinner 8
@5: Yeah, my ex firmly believed that pot made him psychotic and that it led to a diagnosis in his twenties as schizophrenic. I knew him in his forties and couldn't fathom how anyone could think he was schizophrenic, much less a series of professionals that actually got him declared sufficiently crazy to receive SSI benefits. I also thought his hatred of pot and conviction that it made him crazy was, well, crazy, but I shrugged and considered it one of his idiosyncrasies.

Live and learn, I guess.
Posted by TVDinner http:// on August 22, 2012 at 10:47 AM · Report
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This was a really great article. However, I have suffered from mental illness, Bipolar Disorder in fact, for years and I ingest marijuana (quite regularly - one part medication, then just a little recreation) to alleviate those symptoms. I have never been more stable in my entire life and do not use any other medications other than those to treat my ADHD as well as continuing to take Omega-3 supplements. People are actually shocked when I tell them I have BD ("But you seems so normal..."), even friends I've known for years (or at least in the past five). However, I do have a large community of friend and family around me (I'm hardly a lonely person) and I see a doc at least once a month to check in with, more or less as a safety precaution. While these are likely factors in the success of my stability, I believe it is naive to think the exacerbation of psychotic systems is solely due to heavy marijuana use - there's always an extraneous variable.

[Also, if you look at any terrible situation involving drugs, you'll find a lack of readily accessible (e.g., free/low cost) drug and/or mental health treatment (such as Florida & the bath salt face eater), aside from the already existing stigma of seeking these out.]
Posted by LizY on August 22, 2012 at 10:47 AM · Report
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This was a really great article. However, I have suffered from mental illness, Bipolar Disorder in fact, for years and I ingest marijuana (quite regularly - one part medication, then just a little recreation) to alleviate those symptoms. I have never been more stable in my entire life and do not use any other medications other than those to treat my ADHD as well as continuing to take Omega-3 supplements. People are actually shocked when I tell them I have BD ("But you seems so normal..."), even friends I've known for years (or at least in the past five). However, I do have a large community of friends and family around me (I'm hardly a lonely person) and I see a doc at least once a month to check in with, more or less as a safety precaution. While these are likely factors in the success of my stability, I believe it is naive to think the exacerbation of psychotic systems is solely due to heavy marijuana use - there's always an extraneous variable.

[Also, if you look at any terrible situation involving drugs, you'll usually find a lack of readily accessible (e.g., free/low cost) drug and/or mental health treatment (such as Florida & the bath salt face eater), aside from the already existing stigma of seeking these out.]
Posted by LizY on August 22, 2012 at 10:51 AM · Report
derek_erdman 11
Thanks for this, Christopher.
Posted by derek_erdman http://www.derekerdman.com on August 22, 2012 at 10:52 AM · Report
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I feel like this article is a special gift to me, because I quit smoking weed three days ago for the sake of my mental health. I've tried quitting several times before, and have felt very alone in my efforts because no one around me believes that it is harmful or habit-forming (but watch them panic when they run out). Reading this article has strengthened my shaky resolve.

Thank you so much for writing so beautifully and respectfully about Ms. Rosado, and for illustrating how mental illness affects a whole community, not just the afflicted person.
Posted by Lori E. on August 22, 2012 at 10:53 AM · Report
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So we did what anyone would do if a neighbor started stomping around, shrieking, smashing things, slamming doors, and stabbing a cat.

We called the cops.


Well, personally I would have called the cops before I opened my door and stepped out of my apartment, but I don't live in neighborhood beset by wailing junkies where I don't know any of my neighbors.
Posted by tiktok on August 22, 2012 at 11:01 AM · Report
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An excellent and timely article.

Posted by David Miller on August 22, 2012 at 11:20 AM · Report
s.maxim 15
wonderful article. Thank you.
Posted by s.maxim on August 22, 2012 at 11:22 AM · Report
Estey 16
Outstanding journalism.
Posted by Estey on August 22, 2012 at 11:23 AM · Report
sikandro 17
As @1 said, I wish you wrote more.
Posted by sikandro on August 22, 2012 at 11:26 AM · Report
gloomy gus 18
What you said, @2. (Bonus: the editor you congratulate for letting Christopher off the leash is...Christopher!)

My best wishes to those facing their own mental strains thinking about laying off the smoke.
Posted by gloomy gus on August 22, 2012 at 11:31 AM · Report
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Beautiful work Christopher.
Posted by Timothy Rysdyke on August 22, 2012 at 11:38 AM · Report
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Regardless, that was a really well-written story.
Posted by tiktok on August 22, 2012 at 11:42 AM · Report
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@9 -- Marijuana is a paradox for people with mood disorders. And not just for the obvious reason, which is that individual reactions to psychoactive drugs are vast. One fascinating thing I discovered in my research that I didn't have room to discuss is that, while marijuana has chemical compounds (like THC) that aggravate psychotic tendencies, it also has other chemical compounds (like CBD) that are powerful anti-psychotics. There is a lot more THC than CBD in marijuana. But it turns out that CBD is just as good for treating psychotic patients as the anti-psychotic drugs on the market AND it has none of the side effects. Read this:

http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/30/ma…
Posted by Christopher Frizzelle on August 22, 2012 at 11:49 AM · Report
Emily Nokes 22
Wow. Well done.
Posted by Emily Nokes on August 22, 2012 at 11:56 AM · Report
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Amazing work. and I agree with @1/@17.

The link between mental illness and marijuana needs to be studied and there needs to be more education. I never knew. And I'm so glad that, in ten years of living out west (Seattle and Vancouver), I never got onto the stuff.
Posted by Cow on August 22, 2012 at 11:57 AM · Report
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Wow. Well done.
Posted by ameliamaris on August 22, 2012 at 12:02 PM · Report
samktg 26
What a beautiful, heartrending piece. I can't help but think of my own brother who is descending into the final arc of a twenty year downward spiral of depression, delusion, paranoia, and heroin. It's saddening and not a bit maddening how ill-equipped our healthcare and justice systems are for handling people who struggle with mental illness, drugs, and the intersection of the two.
Posted by samktg on August 22, 2012 at 12:12 PM · Report
npage148 27
In high school I had a friend that smoked increasing amounts of Pot as he progressed as an uppergraduate and into college. He was also diagnosed with schizophrenia around the time he graduated (the typical years of getting diagnosed) but he really self-mediated with Pot. He ended it when he took is mom's car off a bridge.

Do I think the pot made him schizophrenic? NO.
DO I think it worsened his condition? Definitely.

Maybe it was because I was science nerd but I always knew about the risk of psychosis with pot. I knew it was playing with fire for someone with a mental condition so smoke and I was surprised by the lack of knowledge (or the potential hiding of information) by the dispensary workers.

I don't know if something in my brain has changed as I've grown up or if it's adult responsibility piling up but whenever I smoke now I because hyper-paranoid. Like I sit silently waiting for the cops to kick the door in. I don't like it and I could easily feel that if I was less well "grounded" I could completely lose it.

Pot like all drugs has side effects, some nasty
Posted by npage148 on August 22, 2012 at 12:22 PM · Report
Chelydra_serpentina 28
I'd tell you how wonderful this article is, but I'd just be repeating what everyone else has already said.

But it really surprised me to see mental health professionals discuss psychosis as a breakdown of the psyche, and not address mental illnesses as brain disorders. Perceptions of reality are horribly distorted by illnesses like bipolar disorder, PTSD, and especially schizophrenia. This happens because, through a combination of environment and genetic predisposition, the brain stops working correctly. Sometimes hallucinations are just random nonsense that malfunctioning neurons produce, and looking for the symbolic value of them isn't very useful.
Posted by Chelydra_serpentina on August 22, 2012 at 12:22 PM · Report
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This is one of the worst things I've ever read on The Stranger.

It is rambling, the characters are idiots, and it doesn't seem to have an actual point.
Posted by Swearengen on August 22, 2012 at 12:25 PM · Report
scary tyler moore 30
SPAM ON AISLE 24!!!!

and an excellent article, christopher. say hi to timothy for me.
Posted by scary tyler moore http://pushymcshove.blogspot.com/ on August 22, 2012 at 12:29 PM · Report
kitschnsync 31
Wonderful piece!
Posted by kitschnsync on August 22, 2012 at 12:31 PM · Report
McGee 32
@29 Well then you should have totally related.
Posted by McGee on August 22, 2012 at 12:33 PM · Report
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An excellent piece of writing. Thank you for this.
Posted by Sam O. on August 22, 2012 at 12:39 PM · Report
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Thanks for mentioning the fact that the cat survived.

Swearengen's on the rag today. Nice article.
Posted by catsnbanjos on August 22, 2012 at 12:39 PM · Report
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Absolutely agree, Christopher. I actually live in Denver (born and raised in Seattle) and we're a little further along with cultivating CBD heavy strains/edibles with little to no THC. And like any medication, treating mental illness or otherwise, one won't work for everyone and have a variety of side effects that don't affect everyone in the same way. I certainly don't believe Cannabis is a panacea, but unlike the 8+ pill cocktail I used to take daily, this one works much better for me. I suggest looking into the writing of Dr. Lester Grinspoon as well, particularly Marihuana: The Forbidden Medicine, if the very wonderful Dr. Mitch Earleywine didn't already suggest it.
Posted by LizY on August 22, 2012 at 12:52 PM · Report
bunzerelli 36
I would be interested in seeing if there are studies done on the affects of certain strains of marijuana, and even more importantly the way it is grown- i.e. organically or with fertilizer and pesticides.
Posted by bunzerelli on August 22, 2012 at 1:03 PM · Report
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Thanks, Christopher. This was a great article.
Posted by Jen in Madison on August 22, 2012 at 1:04 PM · Report
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Really lovely, Christopher. Thank you.

What a sad end for Ms. Rosado. It's a damn shame the responding officers didn't approach the situation with a bit more subtlety. Perhaps she would still have jumped, but I can't help but wonder if it could have ended differently.
Posted by JenV on August 22, 2012 at 1:17 PM · Report
Baconcat 39
This tragic piece is another reason the greed of the medical marijuana industry in WA is do galling. Just a lack of concern and education, more concerned with profit.
Posted by Baconcat on August 22, 2012 at 1:18 PM · Report
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This was one brilliant piece of writing. Found the link on Twitter. Started reading. Could not stop reading. Was glued to the screen. Absolutely brilliant.

/ John Andersson, Umeå, Sweden
Posted by John Andersson on August 22, 2012 at 1:23 PM · Report
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I don't agree with the sweeping generalization that this kind of stuff happens because we don't know our neighbors ... maybe in Crazytown (aka Capitol Hill) this is the norm, but where I am (NE Seattle), we neighbors actually do talk to each other and keep an eye out for each other.
Posted by Crazytown escapee on August 22, 2012 at 1:26 PM · Report
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This was a great article, and very timely. The presence of the cat in the story reminded me of this research exploring the link between a toxoplasmosis (a brain parasite we contract from cats) and schizophrenia: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/05…
Posted by Narbles on August 22, 2012 at 1:50 PM · Report
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Great article! I read a study a few months ago about how marijuana can cause a psychotic break in people with underlying mental illness and have been trying to tell my pot-smoking friends about it, but haven't had much luck. They all seem to think a little bud will calm someone in psychosis. I think this is important information to get out there for many people's well-being.
Posted by junebugstuff on August 22, 2012 at 2:07 PM · Report
Travis Ritter 44
Fantastic writing, Christopher. I've had a few people close to me battle mental illness. I never really correlated how marijuana can affect those who suffer from psychotic behavior, but it now makes a lot of sense.
Posted by Travis Ritter http://nuglifer.wordpress.com on August 22, 2012 at 2:08 PM · Report
Jeff Kirby 45
Excellent piece, Christopher
Posted by Jeff Kirby on August 22, 2012 at 2:17 PM · Report
noodles' girl 46
You've gotta find that cat and do a follow-up.
Posted by noodles' girl on August 22, 2012 at 2:28 PM · Report
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" ... it wasn't because she smoked a joint," said the guy who sold the pot.

Maybe not, but clearly she hadn't smoked just one joint. The victim was found to have had more than a quarter-ounce in her possession. She's probably been smoking regularly, heavily, for months now. How much was she smoking a day? A gram? Two? Five? A quarter-ounce a week? That's some chronic she had, too, very potent. It's entirely plausible that sustained levels of THC in an already unstable, chemically imbalanced brain can lead to a psychotic break.

Something to think about as I pack my evening bowl. RIP, Miss Alyssa Rosado. Your pain is gone.
Posted by twinkie223 on August 22, 2012 at 2:40 PM · Report
dwightmoodyforgetsthings 48
Drugs have different effects on different people. If the government had been allowing proper science to be taking place with marijuana, we'd know an awful lot more about which compounds did what and how they interact with other drugs.
Posted by dwightmoodyforgetsthings http://www.reddit.com/r/spaceclop on August 22, 2012 at 2:45 PM · Report
Fnarf 49
Great article, Christopher.

I can attest from personal experience that pot and mental illness do not mix, whether it "causes psychosis" or not.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on August 22, 2012 at 2:48 PM · Report
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I am in awe of this article. Not only how well-written and timely it is (I live near The Castle in Belltown, where a fellow jumped several days ago; rumors it was a drug-induced psychotic meltdown) for our communities, but also how relevant it is to me. I am clinically BP, and never had any idea that the reason I occasionally have bad trips after smoking marijuana, could be a result of my mental disorder. Incredibly eye-opening.

I'm not a frequent smoker, and when I'm in a group smoking, I have rarely had a bad freak-out. About two months ago, I was smoking a joint with my partner for a fun night, and ended up not knowing who I was. I should mention that we smoked nearly the entire packed joint. I forgot all memories and struggled to remember where I worked at and who my family was. I hallucinated that we were all aliens, and cried that I needed an ambulance. I slowly got out of my strange psychotic state by early morning, and we vowed that I would now be known as a one-hit-wonder. Now, I never smoke alone, and at the most I take two hits with my partner or friends. It's still an enjoyable experience, but I do firmly believe the phrase, "use with extreme caution". I've never met anyone that reacted the way I did with weed.

This brings so much clarity to my situation- but I am curious to know why my psychiatrist never mentioned it when I told him I occasionally smoke weed for recreation. It'd be worth at least a mention, right?
Thank you for such a beautiful, informative piece of work.
Posted by christmascats on August 22, 2012 at 2:53 PM · Report
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I am in awe of this article. Not only how well-written and timely it is (I live near The Castle in Belltown, where a fellow jumped several days ago; rumors it was a drug-induced psychotic meltdown) for our communities, but also how relevant it is to me. I am clinically BP, and never had any idea that the reason I occasionally have bad trips after smoking marijuana, could be a result of my mental disorder. Incredibly eye-opening.

I'm not a frequent smoker, and when I'm in a group smoking, I have rarely had a bad freak-out. About two months ago, I was smoking a joint with my partner for a fun night, and ended up not knowing who I was. I should mention that we smoked nearly the entire packed joint. I forgot all memories and struggled to remember where I worked at and who my family was. I hallucinated that we were all aliens, and cried that I needed an ambulance. I slowly got out of my strange psychotic state by early morning, and we vowed that I would now be known as a one-hit-wonder. Now, I never smoke alone, and at the most I take two hits with my partner or friends. It's still an enjoyable experience, but I do firmly believe the phrase, "use with extreme caution". I've never met anyone that reacted the way I did with weed.

This brings so much clarity to my reaction to marijuana- but I am curious to know why my psychiatrist never mentioned it when I told him I occasionally smoke weed for recreation. It'd be worth at least a mention, right?
Thank you for such a beautiful, informative piece of work.
Posted by christmascats on August 22, 2012 at 2:58 PM · Report
dwightmoodyforgetsthings 52
@47- Yeah, if someone had been drinking a couple pints of vodka a day, maybe the liquor wouldn't be the reason they did (suicide, murder, public masturbation) but we all know it wouldn't have helped.
Posted by dwightmoodyforgetsthings http://www.reddit.com/r/spaceclop on August 22, 2012 at 3:11 PM · Report
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Brilliantly written and informative...thank you, Christopher.
Posted by sydnyt on August 22, 2012 at 3:20 PM · Report
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This was a great piece. Thank you for writing it, Christopher. RIP to Rosado.

I have bipolar disorder. I was 14 when it fully presented itself. I was rapid cycling, going from hypomanic during daylight to suicidally depressed during the night hours. I started smoking pot constantly to self-medicate, as my mom refused to take me to a psychiatrist. I was level, no mood swings as long as I maintained my high.

She caught me once and I promised to stop smoking, but I couldn't stay away from it with the brutal swings from elated to crushingly numb. When she caught me smoking pot the second time, I sobbed as I told her that I'd quit if I got help from a doctor for bipolar and if I could transfer to the alternative high school so I could still graduate. I told her about how I didn't want to kill myself, but that I knew that I couldn't stand living with myself and my moods. She finally agreed to take me to a shrink and enrolled me at the alt high school.

It took a year and a half to find the right medication. Ever since then, I don't crave pot anymore. I went from smoking 10+ times a day to not touching it for years at a time. For me the mental illness instigated the heavy pot use. Without pot dulling my senses and evening my moods, I know that I would have committed suicide before I reached my 17th birthday.

I know my experience doesn't trump data, but pot helped me in the meantime. I wish that there was more study done about mental illness and pot. I was always a lightweight: it only took three tokes to be high and happy for a few hours. I'd like to know if other people with bipolar have the same reaction.
Posted by breelligerent on August 22, 2012 at 3:21 PM · Report
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Holy shit, that's my old apartment.
Posted by Katie Kate on August 22, 2012 at 3:25 PM · Report
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You are FUCKED UP!!! This was somebody who was suffering from a mental illness and you put it out there for everybody to see. She is dead! Can she have no peace?!? FUCKED UP!!!
Posted by PeopleAreDumb on August 22, 2012 at 3:41 PM · Report
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This is an important piece and powerfully written.

A teenager in the 60s I generally stayed away from pot. My mother was psychotic and I didn't care to experiment with mind-altering drugs except for booze. Most pot was shit back then anyway.

A few years back I smoked some stuff with a friend and could not believe how hallucinogenic this current stuff is. I was down the rabbit hole. I can't imagine how any fragile person wouldn't succumb to a psychotic break sooner or later on this turbo fuel.
Posted by Peppermint Patty on August 22, 2012 at 3:50 PM · Report
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Thank you for writing and publishing this. I hate the taboo we have on talking about suicide.

At my job, I deal with suicidal people and completed suicides (don't know what else to call it, but you get the point) on a very regular basis. Even though I've been doing it for years, it still shocks me how common it is here. Some people are having a mental break, some are incredibly depressed, and for some (a seemingly happy, well adjusted 10 year old) there's no explanation I have ever been able to come to.

If you are depressed, contemplating suicide, or have a loved one that is - please know that you are not alone and there are people who want to help you. People who want you to live. There are good people at the Crisis Clinic, call them: 866.4CRISIS

If you're not comfortable with that, please reach out to someone you trust. Or, if you feel you're at a dead end, call 911.
Posted by pony on August 22, 2012 at 3:50 PM · Report
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As someone who was sexually abused in my very early childhood, diagnosed with bipolar as a teenager, has smoked marijuana regularly throughout my life, and is stable and successful in my profession and personal life, I resent the conclusion this article draws between marijuana and psychotic behavior. For me, marijuana helps me alleviate symptoms of depression when I'm low and pulls me up to a "normal" state, allowing me to function normally. Though it's true that marijuana seems to trigger psychosis in some people, this blanket statement is ridiculous and untrue.
Posted by My_name_here on August 22, 2012 at 4:01 PM · Report
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Wow, that was an incredible piece of writing. Thank you, Christopher.
Posted by Thel on August 22, 2012 at 4:13 PM · Report
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Makes me think of the only truly useful words in the bible... "Love one another."
Posted by portland scribe on August 22, 2012 at 4:20 PM · Report
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This article brought up a 1960's memory for me, of my close friend's brother, where we all attended college, starting to smoke more and more pot. More and more distant, finally he was off in his own world, fixated on the hidden messages in The Who's rock opera Tommy, and convinced that our friends' newborn was indeed the pinball wizard, the savior of the world. Lifelong schizophrenia blossomed with the aid of a lot of weed. More awareness of this and similar cascading effects on the susceptible from pot might save a lot of people. Thanks for writing this article.
Posted by Hoffritz on August 22, 2012 at 4:49 PM · Report
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This is one of the best things I have ever read from The Stranger. Thank you Christopher, and an extra thank you for letting us know that the cat is ok.
Posted by pistolkitten on August 22, 2012 at 4:56 PM · Report
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A fascinating story, well told.

The story of this girl, her afflictions, and the medical marijuana industry are all interesting. I was most interested, though, in your story about how this brought you closer to your neighbors.

Also, I'm glad the cat survived.
Posted by MLM on August 22, 2012 at 5:03 PM · Report
dwightmoodyforgetsthings 65
@56- Dead people don't care.

@59- The author never made the blanket statement you are upset about.
Posted by dwightmoodyforgetsthings http://www.reddit.com/r/spaceclop on August 22, 2012 at 5:21 PM · Report
dangerousgift 66
Beautiful
Posted by dangerousgift on August 22, 2012 at 5:34 PM · Report
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i think you're a really wonderful writer, and your writing voice makes you sound like a really good person.

i bet it's true. thanks for the article.
Posted by cbrodge on August 22, 2012 at 6:07 PM · Report
merry 68
Awful, harrowing story told very beautifully, Christopher. Your humanity shines through in every word.

I'm a little over a year now in my little Capitol Hill studio apartment, and I probably only know 2 or 3 neighbors by name. I don't know if this is a Seattle thing, or just an urban-living thing, but it is most definitely isolating. I'm so sorry for Alyssa and her family.

And thank you so much for getting the word out about the less-than-positive effects of MJ. Just because it's a 'miracle plant' that helps so, so many, doesn't mean it doesn't also have other chemical effects. The more info to the more people about this, the better.

Thanks again for a wonderful piece, you've really touched a lot of folks today.
Posted by merry on August 22, 2012 at 6:21 PM · Report
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Thank you for a thoughtful and informative article, Christopher. I'm amazed how you were able to traverse very sensitive topics with grace and compassion. It was a very compelling read.
Posted by downtownkitty on August 22, 2012 at 6:48 PM · Report
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I had a friend who worked in that same Castle megastore, probably during the same period that she did. Apparently Castle management decided to literally have their entire staff train their replacements and then immediately after fired them so that they could save money on raising people's wages. Totally arbitrary and cruel. So in all likelihood her being let go by Castle was more likely a cause of her problems than a symptom of one that had already manifest.
Posted by Rumor Has It... on August 22, 2012 at 7:02 PM · Report
mtnlion 71
@28: I think the above psychologist didn't bring up the organic component of mental disorder because Rosada *had* been sexually abused, and therefore what she was experiencing was likely a psychotic break and not genetically-based schizotypal behavior. It's just more relevant that way; not that s/he didn't know.

@56: This article may help educate and bring help to countless people, and that gives it more value than keeping hush hush about the life of a person who *clearly needed help*.

@59: I don't think you understand what anecdotal evidence is. In your life, there is no link between your pot usage and your mental health. What good research and statistics do is combine all those stories and all those lives and make connections and look for patterns. Psychosis and marijuana are linked, period. This has been shown by more than your one very small story of your own life. It's like if someone says "cigarettes aren't addictive," just because *they* didn't get addicted. When in fact, huge studies show that, for far more people than not, they really are quite addictive. The first statement is dismissive and considers only their own experience (i.e., it is a narrow perspective).
Posted by mtnlion on August 22, 2012 at 7:10 PM · Report
mtnlion 72
Also, beautiful article Christopher Frizzelle.

This issue absolutely certainly needs more attention.
Posted by mtnlion on August 22, 2012 at 7:14 PM · Report
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I'm overcome with melodrama. No! I'm bi-polarized!

Have you stopped shaking long enough to file your $50 entry fee for the next round of Pulitzers?

And how does someone at the Stranger go into "reporter" mode? It's never happened before.
Posted by Stranger'sWorstNightmare on August 22, 2012 at 7:19 PM · Report
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Just a note on the cat in the story. She was named Hope and was put through surgery by the Seattle Animal Shelter.

We recently got an update from the adopter:
"We ended up naming Hope, Nadia! Which means "hope" in russian. She is doing really great here, still sleeping in her bed almost every night! She really loves her laser pointer! She's really grown on both my grandma and myself."

-Kara Main-Hester, SAS staff
Posted by Seattle Animal Shelter on August 22, 2012 at 7:44 PM · Report
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This was a great article. Not sure exactly the point you were trying to get across though...is it people need to be less isolating and more friendly. Or pot is bad? Either way I hope she rest in peace and I hope the cat was adopted into a wonderful home where it will live out it's reaming lives trauma free.
Posted by rnydaygrl on August 22, 2012 at 8:13 PM · Report
mtnlion 76
@75: it's okay for there to be multiple messages in a story.
Posted by mtnlion on August 22, 2012 at 8:46 PM · Report
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I do think you should give some credit to prohibition, not just the MMJ industry, who from my perspective and experience you took a small and unimpressive slice to serve up your point.

An industry allowed by Washington state, is completely unregulated by the state. Unlike, say, liquor and food companies who have scores of FDA agents to write up long lists of rules for them to follow, hopefully to the benefit of the end consumer, and fortified with hard American science.

In the MMJ industry unfortunately it is up to the producer and provider to self-regulate the quality of the product. Fortunately for patients, safe and effective products often do much better than shady ones that float on advertising and exploiting long dead stoner culture.

Is recreational use very present in the industry? Of course, and to the same degree (if not more severe) than the thousands of pharmaceuticals that are passed quickly from physicians hands to Capitol Hill bathroom bars.

MMJ in Washington is young, 2-3 years young. Let it rise out of toddler hood before you knock its legs out, eh?

Posted by space_cake on August 22, 2012 at 9:55 PM · Report
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I do think you should give some credit to prohibition, not just the MMJ industry, who from my perspective and experience you took a small and unimpressive slice to serve up your point.

An industry allowed by Washington state, is completely unregulated by the state. Unlike, say, liquor and food companies who have scores of FDA agents to write up long lists of rules for them to follow, hopefully to the benefit of the end consumer, and fortified with hard American science.

In the MMJ industry unfortunately it is up to the producer and provider to self-regulate the quality of the product. Fortunately for patients, safe and effective products often do much better than shady ones that float on advertising and exploiting long dead stoner culture.

Is recreational use very present in the industry? Of course, and to the same degree (if not more severe) than the thousands of pharmaceuticals that are passed quickly from physicians hands to Capitol Hill bathroom bars.

MMJ in Washington is young, 2-3 years young. Let it rise out of toddler hood before you knock its legs out, eh?

Posted by space_cake on August 22, 2012 at 10:04 PM · Report
Sean Jewell 79
Wow! Thank you for sharing that.
Posted by Sean Jewell on August 22, 2012 at 11:01 PM · Report
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Anyone with a mental illness can break down at any moment. My ex is Bi-polar and weed seemed to help her. Everyone reacts to things differently so I don't think its fair to generalize this theory. Amazing article though, I read the whole thing! Medical marijuana should be treated like any other prescription, coming with a pamphlet and pharmacist explaining the possible effects, causes and warnings...ect.
Posted by Co1234 on August 22, 2012 at 11:05 PM · Report
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I was really struggling with intense depression two years ago. I started smoking more pot in order to feel better. It was the only thing making me feel "good". My depression became so intense that one day while I was high, I started having tunnel vision and having a panic attack. I couldn't stop thinking about killing myself, and my thoughts were racing. I had to go to the hospital. I am really glad I did. I also don't smoke weed anymore. again, pot didn't cause my depression, but it definitely did not help.
Posted by deliasailed on August 22, 2012 at 11:14 PM · Report
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I was really struggling with intense depression two years ago. I started smoking more pot in order to feel better. It was the only thing making me feel "good". My depression became so intense that one day while I was high, I started having tunnel vision and having a panic attack. I couldn't stop thinking about killing myself, and my thoughts were racing. I had to go to the hospital. I am really glad I did. I also don't smoke weed anymore. again, pot didn't cause my depression, but it definitely did not help. This was a really fantastically written article.
Posted by dsailed on August 22, 2012 at 11:16 PM · Report
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I'm kind of surprised that neither Chris nor the folks at the dispensary hadn't heard that pot can exacerbate psychosis; it's common knowledge. Mark Vonnegut's memoir Eden Express has a nice description of his bipolar pot freak out in the late sixties, and I've heard old hippies talk about it frequently.
Posted by Joe Glibmoron on August 22, 2012 at 11:43 PM · Report
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While I certainly believe that pot did not help an already sad and lonely existence, the thing that really hit me about this article was the aloneness one can feel living in Seattle. I have lived in several big cities and none is more clique-ish and unfriendly as Seattle. I find it weird as just a couple hours away is Portland where people (for now anyway) are definately more "neighborly". Yes Seattle is bigger and more cosmopolitan. Don't get me wrong, people are generally polite but they do not want to talk to you or get to know you. I live just blocks away from the building written about and I also know only one neighbor in my bldg. if I try to talk to anyone, I get the why is this weird 40 something woman speaking to me, look. Clearly she doesn't dress as cool as me and doesn't make enough money to talk to me.
If we learn anything from this article, let it be that we try harder to be nice to our neighbors. Stop, introduce yourself, say "hi". It won't kill you or make you less cool. It may make all the difference to someone.
Posted by Chrisb1 on August 23, 2012 at 12:05 AM · Report
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One of the best articles ever written in the stranger. Thanks for writing this Chris.
Posted by Markk on August 23, 2012 at 12:17 AM · Report
dwightmoodyforgetsthings 86
@77_ I'm actually hoping the MMJ community gets it's legs chopped off as soon as possible. State legalization is better, and federal legalization is the holy grail. Until there's federal legalization, we'll never have the research you speak of, but when it happens it'll kill the MMJ system.
Posted by dwightmoodyforgetsthings http://www.reddit.com/r/spaceclop on August 23, 2012 at 12:55 AM · Report
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@75- Frizzle didn't say "pot is bad". He said "Marijuana may cause some people with certain mental conditions to have really bad side effects."
Posted by dwightmoodyforgetsthings http://www.reddit.com/r/spaceclop on August 23, 2012 at 12:58 AM · Report
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This article touches on so many issues that are prevalent in the Seattle community - suicide, mental illness (in particular schizophrenia), sexual abuse, the anti-social elements of living in Seattle, and the often unrealized side effects of marijuana use among the mentally ill. This is an engaging piece of writing which could have been written as several articles but was woven into a very intense read. The article makes a compelling point that Seattle has a responsibility to do more for its mentally ill citizens. Perhaps this woman's life could have been saved.
Posted by RubyWoo on August 23, 2012 at 5:20 AM · Report
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As a nation, we're awful when it comes to dealing with mental illness. It's horrible that this young woman couldn't be steered towards better resources, but I don't think that's all that abnormal for people suffering from mental illness. Why can't we have mental illness emergency response in the way we have medical emergency response?
Posted by PrincessPetu on August 23, 2012 at 7:53 AM · Report
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This is a good article, but I don't think there is sufficient evidence to say that cannabis causes psychosis in people who have mental illnesses. There is still the problem of the self-medication hypothesis. Do people who have a mental illness have a higher probability to go into psychosis due to cannabis use or is it just that these are the people who are more likely to use cannabis in the first place? It is obvious that people with mental illness, especially schizophrenia, use cannabis more than average. But schizophrenics also use tobacco and alcohol more than the average person (more than 80% of schizophrenics smoke). Does tobacco (or even alcohol) also increase the probability of psychosis?

I think there must be some factor in favor of the self-medication hypothesis. Culturally, we know about people who drink away their troubles (and 101 different country songs about it). Smoking away your troubles is also plausible.
Posted by delirian on August 23, 2012 at 8:44 AM · Report
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Joining
Posted by green tara on August 23, 2012 at 9:19 AM · Report
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I have PTSD and MM helps me keep a handle on it by chilling me the fuck out.

While MM may have exacerbated an already big problem; the issue is really being upfront about mental illness and for society to stop treating it as something shameful. Had this woman had a chance of getting some help, this nightmare may have been prevented.

Great article and I am impressed you keep it informative without resorting to high handedness so common when talking about MM, mental health and the general fucked up ways life can take.
Posted by heavyhebrew on August 23, 2012 at 9:32 AM · Report
mtnlion 93
@90, I'm of the school of thought that any psychoactive substance can exacerbate existing mental illness, especially if the features of the illness involve hallucinations, delusions, or psychosis. I think alcohol, pot, shrooms, anything that substantially changes a person's reality, will not help. There's a wide range of severity of mental illness. Surely, a lot of people diagnosed with BPD2 (which is debated enough in the mental health field anyway) could smoke a ton of pot and probably never experience psychosis. But a seriously schizophrenic person would not likely do well on marijuana, alcohol, or really anything besides antipsychotics.

A lot of schizophrenics and others with severe psychoses self-medicate because they are mistrustful of professionals. This is also why they don't seek help and end up on the streets. People with severe mental issues I don't think are shamed into staying away from treatment, but so psychologically distressed that they cannot do it on their own. Their families don't realize the depth of their illness and don't want to interfere until they're too ill to go voluntarily. Alcohol and pot are great ways to temporarily change one's distressed state without having to undergo the watchful eye of a doctor.

I'm with Christopher here: if we are to accept marijuana as a legitimate medical treatment, we must start treating like a legitimate drug. And all drugs have their risks, but no one talks about the ones involved with marijuana.
Posted by mtnlion on August 23, 2012 at 10:03 AM · Report
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@9/@21 I have to mention that the face-eating guy being on 'bath salts' was debunked.. ironically enough the only substance they found in his system was Marijuana...

I can definitely connect the dots with THC and psychosis. I've smoked plenty in my life, and I had to dial it back at some points, to basically quitting altogether because it just does not have the same good effects anymore.. I get weird and squirrely now, and I'm normally very stable. I don't like the out-of-control-of-my-mind feeling anymore. Has anyone else here been so fucked up just on pot that they talk to themselves/zone out/become incoherent? How about long-term? It's not a stretch. Any active substance can be both good and bad and everyone reacts differently to drugs. There is no black and white to this.

BTW just have to say awesome article Chris, it knocked the wind out of me, and it is spurring some good debate such as this.
Posted by Starmartyr on August 23, 2012 at 10:44 AM · Report
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@93: I just don't think the studies are convincing. Being a Schedule I drug has made it difficult for legitimate research into its harmful properties. And none of the studies that I have seen have really tried to exclude the self-medication hypothesis. Cannabis could be both harmful (psychosis inducing) and a drug that is used to self-medicate. Or the self-medication could overcompensate and it could be helpful (there are studies showing it could be an anti-psychotic).
Posted by delirian on August 23, 2012 at 10:50 AM · Report
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As far as the reaction of the cops, was kicking in the door really a good action to take when someone is in psychosis?
Posted by delirian on August 23, 2012 at 10:57 AM · Report
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Awesome article. Thanks!
Posted by outrider on August 23, 2012 at 11:48 AM · Report
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Wonderful, insightful, emotional article. Thank you for sharing Alyssa's life, and yours.
Posted by Taomist on August 23, 2012 at 11:59 AM · Report
dwightmoodyforgetsthings 99
@96- If she'd been slashing herself up instead of perched on the windowsill it would have been perfect. I'm usually one to criticize the cops for being over-aggressive and violent, but in this case I can't fault them for trying to see what was happening as quickly as possible.
Posted by dwightmoodyforgetsthings http://www.reddit.com/r/spaceclop on August 23, 2012 at 12:43 PM · Report
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Thank you for the most meaningful article I have ever read in this magazine. You have done a great service for the many of us whose loved ones suffer from the effects of marijuana, mental illness, suicide or attempted suicide. Keep on writing.
Posted by Scatter1 on August 23, 2012 at 1:40 PM · Report
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Exceptional article. Thanks for writing it.
Posted by kthorjensen on August 23, 2012 at 1:43 PM · Report
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Grabed my interest and would'nt let go.
Posted by Nick Layden on August 23, 2012 at 1:47 PM · Report
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Maybe if she knew a neighbor, she could have asked for help.

Maybe we were part of the problem.


Yes. Yes, we are.

Loneliness kills and insularity pulls the trigger.

Go out right now and learn the names of your neighbors. There is zero valid excuse not to. You don't have to be BFF's. But for fuck sake — KNOW THIER NAMES.

In my 49 years I've lived on three continents, four countries, and 9 US states. And Seattle is one of the most insular, provincial, snobby places I have ever lived.

People here are way worse than New Yorkers when it comes to ignoring other people in distress. A while back when a man who worked next door was hit by a car in front of our office nobody would help me comfort him or keep traffic back - 99% of the people just walked by like nothing was happening. I talked to him later and he said not one other neighbor stopped by to see if he was alright.

In Cal Anderson a couple years ago some dude was beating the shit out this woman and people just walked by - nobody would help me stop him and while I'm yelling at the guy trying to distract him, getting between them, nobody would call 911. I could go on and on.

Here is what changed my attitude: An old girlfriend's grandfather had a stroke on a bus in Tacoma. He started talking strangely and falling. So people thought he was drunk. Nobody helped him - the bus driver just kept yelling at him. Luckily an old neighbor of his who was a nurse got on the bus and realized something was wrong. But she had to scream bloddy murder at the bus driver to stop and she carried him off the bus herself. Saved this old guy's life.

My wife is a typically gregarious East Coaster and she won't have it. Which is a good thing. If it weren't for her refusal to put up fences and not mind her own business one of our neighbors would be dead now.

Get involved, man. Just be human and compassionate and get involved.

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Posted by tkc on August 23, 2012 at 1:49 PM · Report
Canadian Nurse 104
Thanks for this article. It touched so many important issues and wove them together eloquently. The conversations we're having in the comments is one I wish we were having all over, everyday.
Posted by Canadian Nurse on August 23, 2012 at 2:10 PM · Report
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As for help with Mental Health and the much needed Mental Health Services, we can thank the late President Reagan for cutting the funding. He kicked a lot of people out of mental hospitals, and didn't fund the community mental health programs that were supposed to keep them stable and out of the hospital.
Posted by akbright on August 23, 2012 at 3:04 PM · Report
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Which brands of alcoholic beverages were cryptically left behind in her apartment?

Was the liquor store clerk who sold it to her questioned as to his knowledge of short-term alcohol use severely exacerbating psychosis, mental illness, and suicidal ideation?

Or how about coffee? Pharmaceuticals? Let's make sure we cover industries not protected by billions of lobbying dollars and federal backing.

Posted by space_cake on August 23, 2012 at 3:10 PM · Report
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'Medical Marijuana' takes just as much self-accountability as your Xanax and Adderal prescription, use as such.
Posted by space_cake on August 23, 2012 at 3:17 PM · Report
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What's not discussed in this story is the treatment Alyssa Rosado may have required for her condition, and the difficulty she may have had in receiving the necessary support and care. Even if she had health care coverage through Starbucks - and whether she had it or not would depend on how much she worked - she may well have discovered that her coverage wasn't nearly adequate for her needs. Finding good treatment in the area of behavioral health is always a challenge. Receiving enough of it through an insurer, especially where higher levels of care are required, is often a roadblock.

There are many Alyssa Rosado's in this country.
Posted by seattler0cks on August 23, 2012 at 3:40 PM · Report
noodles' girl 109
Mmjrevu actually lists psychosis as a symptom that some strains (albeit few) can help with- http://mmjrevu.com/conditions/13-psychos…
Posted by noodles' girl on August 23, 2012 at 3:43 PM · Report
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@seattler0cks Great point, and also perhaps a more appropriate direction to point the finger.
Posted by space_cake on August 23, 2012 at 4:32 PM · Report
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@86 Medical Cannabis and the legalized recreational use for Cannabis should both exist, and have potential. I just don't agree with tax structure of I-502, or roadside blood tests.
Posted by space_cake on August 23, 2012 at 4:35 PM · Report
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Your line:"There's a weird thing with .....Facebook. With all people and Facebook. Because it's fake intimacy. I think Facebook can encourage delusions and psychotic processes. It encourages a sense that everyone's a star and that everyone cares what you ate for breakfast." I am currently reading: "#digitalvertigo how today's social revolution is dividing, diminishing, and disorienting us"by andrew keen. I would recommend this to add to this conversation.
Posted by Suzu on August 23, 2012 at 4:42 PM · Report
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In this article you say that Facebook creates fake intimacy, and that it is enfact very impersonal."It encourages a sense that everyone's a star and that everyone cares what you ate for breakfast." I am wondering if you have read:"#digitalvertigo how today's online social revolution is dividing, diminishing, and disorienting us" by andrew keen. I am reading it right now and he is saying these things and more. I recommend this. I would like to see one of the Stranger Staff interview andrew keen. Muzan
Posted by Muzan on August 23, 2012 at 5:05 PM · Report
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Any unprescribed drug can exacerbate a pre-existing mental condition
Posted by Gorb on August 23, 2012 at 5:07 PM · Report
TheMisanthrope 115
First off, this was a heartbreaking, amazing, read. I love your feature articles and though they're frequently more social-based instead of hardcore study and research based find they get to some enormous social truths.

@110 I don't necessarily think this article is pointing fingers. But, much like Frizzelle, I find the "MJ is innocent" argument suspect. I have friends who smoke all too frequently, and they've become moody and a little more erratic with the increased amount they've smoked. Mind you, I support MJ and love the smell, even though I don't smoke it. But, prolonged heavy usage DOES have effects beyond munchies and forgetfulness. Just as prolonged heavy usage of any drug (alcohol, ecstasy, acid, cocaine, tobacco, caffeine, adderall, xanax, etc) will have an effect.

To get angry about an article pointing out that MJ can have effects on people proves the article's point about the defensiveness of MJ advocates. To your point, CF does not address what mixture of chemicals was in her system (and says he couldn't get the toxicology report). Everything was anecdotal.

But, she didn't work in a liquor store. Nobody said she was a drunk. And, if anybody said she was on mood enhancements, I would hope that CF would have written that in for completeness, RIGHT Frizzelle?

I think that MJ advocates do have to push the polarized reaction because of the polarization of the anti-MJ groups. But, I think it behooves them not to get mad at articles that at least acknowledge some of the faults of MJ, lest they come off as ninnies.
Posted by TheMisanthrope on August 23, 2012 at 5:12 PM · Report
mtnlion 116
@95, just because you don't find the studies convincing is no reason to conclude that pot *isn't* a bad choice for those with psychosis. When it comes to someone's very fragile mental health, we don't want to go around letting people think that it might just be no big deal for them to smoke a ton of pot just because the evidence isn't fully conclusive. It's important to keep people with severe mental illness off of drugs like pot (and booze, and lots of other stuff) precisely because at this point, it looks like it could make it worse. And it's important to encourage them to use drugs that we know are effective at returning them to a stable place.

Don't get me wrong, I do think that more research should be done, but it would be irresponsible to deny the trend that pot is a poor choice to treat psychosis. Pot is not harmless, and I think that's one main take away. Can we all at least accept that? Let's talk about it objectively and reasonably, if we can put aside our personal attachments to it (sadly, I don't think most people can). Additionally, I have nothing to complain about the cops' actions: they heard screaming and had no real idea what the situation was. If the cops hear screaming coming from my house, I hope they kick the door down too.
Posted by mtnlion on August 23, 2012 at 5:49 PM · Report
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@106: You're missing the point. Alcohol, inappropriate pharmaceuticals, caffeine--all of those things have been extensively studied, and it's generally understand that alcohol's pretty bad for people in general and none of those are a good way to handle mental illness. Nobody's under the impression that booze, or any other drug, might've been bad for her mental state.

It's the fact that people who support marijuana legalization don't get that pot can actually be bad. They don't know that marijuana can harm an unstable mental state. On the other hand, people who oppose it think it's a horrible drug that leads to a lot of other unreasonable shit. Nobody wants to face marijuana for what it really is, and that is the problem.
Posted by mtnlion on August 23, 2012 at 5:59 PM · Report
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@116 -- mtnlion, thanks for all you have added to this thread. I'm with you on the cops, although it took me a while to come around. I was a skeptic at the time that they'd done the right thing. There used to be a whole other section about that -- their forcefulness, the stuff in the DOJ lawsuit about the way cops approach people who are mentally ill, the SPD spokesman who lost his cool when I asked a whole bunch of questions along those lines -- but they did the right thing given their resources and the situation, finally, and it took another 2,000 words to explain my evolution on it, and it didn't matter.

@ 74 -- This is an awesome update. Are there photos of Nadia?? I would LOVE to see this magical cat. Thomas told me in our interview that her original name was Darcy.
Posted by Christopher Frizzelle on August 23, 2012 at 6:29 PM · Report
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There is abundant evidence of a strong link between marijuana use and schizophrenia, especially if the use is early in life and heavy. Unfortunately, the typical response of the stoners is to deny the evidence and to shout "Reefer Madness!" at anyone who tries to mention the risks of marijuana.

We don't know whether marijuana causes schizophrenia, or simply exacerbates underlying predisposition to schizophrenia, or whether schizophranics are simply more likely to smoke pot.

But we do know that marijuana smokers are much more likely to be schizophrenic than the general population, and that if someone is schizophrenic, the heavy use of marijuana is likely to make that person's schizophrenia worse and harder to treat.

There are numerous and recent studies that show what I've just written. It's not mythology.

Click here to find the studies

Moreover, because schizophrenia typically doesn't become severe enough to radically interfere with someone's life until their early 20s, the use of pot in high school and college is a real crapshoot.

However, as it would happen, the heaviest marijuana users are between the ages of 18 and 25. One in six of that age group use pot, and then it drops off sharply.

The stoner crowd just won't deal with the reality. Maybe this article will help, but my guess is that most stoners will just come up with rationales to enable their ongoing denial.
Posted by Mister G on August 23, 2012 at 6:32 PM · Report
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Glad the Twitterverse led me to this article. So excellent, I hope I get to read more of your work, Christopher.
Posted by Caesuras on August 23, 2012 at 6:41 PM · Report
i'm pro-science and i vote 121
Holy shit. One of the best pieces I've read in the Stranger lately. And depressing. I was reading this while eating a burrito then felt so down I lost my appetite and couldn't finish it

Well I don't know what the hell it is with this city. Ahem, the Seattle freeze. It's always mystified me, myself I get shit from my friends for being 'too nice' to others. As if we need more coldness instead. Fuck that.

I've found most people in this city I've met to be friendly, maybe it's because I know where the friendly bars, cafes are. But it takes time to actually become true friends with others. Why here more than most other cities full of people who are too busy to make new friends I have no idea
Posted by i'm pro-science and i vote http://www.prettyopenended.com on August 23, 2012 at 8:00 PM · Report
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I loved this article. Echoing what some people have already said, it is so satisfying to read something thoughtful and intelligent, and willing to do more than just graze the surface of some really interesting issues, but without taking a self-interested hard line. Just provoking thought. Thank-you!
Posted by secretchord on August 23, 2012 at 8:01 PM · Report
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Thanks for this story Mr. Frizzelle. You honored Rosado with this piece of wonderful writing.

I have a friend who is bipolar schizoaffective and self-medicates with pot and has had multiple psychotic episodes. And she goes through periods where she smokes A LOT of pot (I don't know units of measurements in pot, but she'll take a hit every 15-30 minutes some days). And sometimes she just smokes a little bit to get to sleep, which is incredibly important for those of us with the crazy. I believe that pot has helped and harmed her. I've cursed her using it when I had to break into her house that she'd barricaded shut because The Shadow People were out to get her and I've been very thankful when it's calmed her down and let her rest.
Posted by sisyphusgal on August 23, 2012 at 9:33 PM · Report
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This article is appalling. Why are you using the tragic death of a woman with mental illness to portray such a negative image of Cannabis and to so heavily criticize the still very young local medical Cannabis industry?

This is wrong and disturbed.

The connection to Cannabis and schizophrenia is complicated and not fully understood.

Time Magazine did a great piece on this:

http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/30/ma…

One of the main things to realize is that although Cannabis consumption rates have largely increased in the last several decades, schizophrenia rates have not increased. Increased Cannabis use is not causing increased amounts of schizophrenia.

Is it maybe aggravating the condition in people who already have it? It seems like this can be the case to some yet not all people with these conditions. But it must also be fully addressed that many other things can also do this.

Caffeine can aggravate or cause psychotic behavior as well. You do not find warnings about schizophrenia at coffee shops or on many cans of energy drinks.

There are even theories that engrossing video games and movies can trigger psychotic breaks and delusional episodes.

The thing is, any type of mind altering food, chemical experience or realistic simulation can trigger predispositions towards mental illness but we don't see warnings every where. Decently educated people know this, and people with family histories of these conditions needs to be filled in by their relatives.

It comes across as foolish that the author of this article and the people interviewed did consider a possible link to mental illness and Cannabis. For that matter mental illness and mind altering experiences period.

Beyond all of this, it is easy to find online and as the other comments show there are many people with mental disorders, including schizophrenia, that may find help from Cannabis use.

Isn't also a tad tacky and ridiculous that the very industry you are bashing - the medical Cannabis industry - is also one of the biggest financial contributors to the Stranger and recent years.

You would have looked a lot like a horrible person if you had the reason to write a separate article about the possible connections between Cannabis and mental disorders. Instead you come across as capitalizing on a tragic death to make a political point purely out of selfish personal interest (and that of your editor).
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Posted by Serisousssly Disappointing on August 23, 2012 at 10:05 PM · Report
mtnlion 125
Thank you, Christopher. I find it very meaningful that you have broached a topic which many Seattleites (and countless other Americans) have overlooked.

Is that section/piece still up online? It rings a bell (I am a faithful Stranger reader) but I'm not sure I've read all of it. I understand the cops in this situation, but I definitely think there should be more training for them on how to handle mental illness. A good percentage of the people they arrest will have mental issues, so they better figure that shit out.

I think it would be an excellent read to discover how the SPD views mental illness and how well trained/educated they are on the appropriate way to work with that population.
Posted by mtnlion on August 23, 2012 at 11:41 PM · Report
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@125: Apparently the SPD has accepted the Memphis Model which creates special Crisis Intervention Teams (CITs) which have been shown to reduce the injury rate when police interact with acute mentally ill persons. Members of CITs are given additional training on interacting with those who have a mental illness and are assigned throughout the police force so that they can always be on call. I wonder if a CIT was involved that night.

I understand your concern stated earlier that if the police hear someone screaming or got a report that someone was screaming that they would want to bust down the door. But from the perspective of a person in psychosis, someone busting down the door to your home could be seriously traumatic. I'm not claiming to have some secret answer, but as a general principle, busting down the door when someone is in psychosis sounds risky. If that person has a gun a cop could be shot, or if that person is near a window they could jump out.
Posted by delirian on August 24, 2012 at 4:19 AM · Report
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WOW, I can't help but think how right she was by using flower. There is defiantly much more to this building than meets thee eye. These are reasons why we should all stop and take a moment to smile or simply say hello to our unknown neighbors.
I've always assumed Ganja helped(at least for me) deal and cope with stressful situations; not so in these cases.
Rosado I pray your soul is finally at peace, may you bask in the glory of the all mighty Omnipotent.
As for the remaining souls I pray they too find the light and may they too finally rest in peace.
Posted by mikeiP http://studio5fifty5.tumblr.com on August 24, 2012 at 5:50 AM · Report
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WOW, I can't help but think how right she was by using flower. There is defiantly much more to this building than meets thee eye. These are reasons why we should all stop and take a moment to smile or simply say hello to our unknown neighbors.
I've always assumed Ganja helped(at least for me) deal and cope with stressful situations; not so in these cases.
Rosado I pray your soul is finally at peace, may you bask in the glory of the all mighty Omnipotent.
As for the remaining souls I pray they too find the light and may they too finally rest in peace
Posted by mikeiP http://studio5fifty5.tumblr.com on August 24, 2012 at 6:01 AM · Report
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The woman had been MOLESTED. How did her psychosis get to be about marijuana? Why not several paragraphs on how being MOLESTED can cause psychosis and mental illness?
Marijuana use is a symptom of attempting to medicate a deeper pain. Without proper psychological help to deal with her trauma she was going to end up psychotic one way or another.
I feel admiration for how perfectly she did deal with it. It's apt to say others are attempting to finish the dream for her. A woman demands her pain to be witnessed, the pain of being traumatized, shamed, isolated...and some of those who witnessed in turn are moved to develop deeper, more meaningful connections, to share her story with the world, which in turn will have a ripple effect forward into the future.
I feel humbled by the beauty I perceive in this situation.
Posted by Bells on August 24, 2012 at 6:58 AM · Report
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@126, I'm in no way arguing that for her state of mind it was a good thing for the door to be kicked down. And in hindsight, of course that was a stupid move. But consider their perspective at the actual time of the event: they had no way of knowing what was going on in there and felt they needed to intervene immediately. From where they were coming from, this person could have been getting stabbed or raped, killing herself in a way that could've been prevented, or overdosing on a psychoactive drug and in need of immediate medical attention. If this story was different, and it turned out she was screaming because she was dying of puncture wounds on the floor, you'd be criticizing the cops for *not* kicking her door down.

Posted by mtnlion on August 24, 2012 at 8:11 AM · Report
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@129: again, missing the point. Everyone knows childhood abuse (sexual, physical, verbal, or any combination) can cause mental problems in later life. This is not a point that anyone is unaware of. That is not an article that needs to be written, and if someone did write an article like that ("sexual abuse may case severe mental illness in adulthood"), people would simply say "how sad," and "I know." They would also not have to face any deep seated beliefs they hold about sexual abuse, because everyone already knows that shit is W-R-O-N-G.

How did it get to be about marijuana? Well, this is a woman who had a very large amount of it. Not a casual smoker's amount. We can deduce she was using regularly and heavily. Also, marijuana increases activity in the brain which can intensify psychotic symptoms in those predisposed to them or who are already experiencing hallucinations, paranoia, and significant inner pain. That's the part people don't know about, won't talk about, and/or won't accept. And that's what makes this story about marijuana, in part.

We know that the abuse was one leading cause of her distress (of course, we can never rule out some organic brain problem as well), and that she did need help. But it also seems that using that much marijuana rapidly worsened her symptoms, and may have contributed to the psychosis which ultimately ended her life. That's why it's about pot, Bells, and not just childhood sexual abuse.
Posted by mtnlion on August 24, 2012 at 8:30 AM · Report
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I would like to acknowledge that I have commented so much on this story because many people seem not to understand what Christopher's article is actually saying, or want to deny it for personal reasons. I have also long felt that the two camps ("Pot is a miracle herb that can cure anything,"/"Pot is the devil's weed and it will rot your brain and ruin your life") are both quite far from the actual mark. It's getting old.

Also, I work in the mental health field and watch people quickly go from being completely non-functional to very stable and normal on a regular basis. This is because they are being treated properly, and not just using the drugs they have been before (marijuana is usually on the list). There's very little argument among professionals that pot use is not the ideal choice for almost every type of mental illness. This is not a conspiracy; this is from seeing actual results in actually ill people. For others, it's downright dangerous. This is one of those cases.
Posted by mtnlion on August 24, 2012 at 8:39 AM · Report
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Compelling, compelling, compelling. May she rest in peace.

So well done, Christopher.

I'm glad Hope (Nadia) the cat is OK, and that she likes her laser pointer.
Posted by Trent Moorman on August 24, 2012 at 9:07 AM · Report
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@132- Thank you for your comments on this thread. I started smoking weed regularly a few years ago to help me cope with insomnia, anxiety, and depression from (what I now know to be) PTSD. I was, as you mentioned, distrustful of medical professionals. I only sought help after pot began to exacerbate my symptoms. Now that I have been processing my issues in therapy, I can see that weed was not actually helping me, it was only keeping me in a semi-functional holding pattern.

I understand why people get defensive when the talk turns to marijuana and mental illness, but what I have realized for myself is that self-medicating with weed is no different than self-medicating with alcohol.
Posted by Lori E. on August 24, 2012 at 9:17 AM · Report
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What happened to the cat?
Posted by Blix on August 24, 2012 at 9:23 AM · Report
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@135 Read comment #74 for an update on the cat.
Posted by Timothy Rysdyke on August 24, 2012 at 9:59 AM · Report
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@117- "It's the fact that people who support marijuana legalization don't get that pot can actually be bad."

That's not a fact. SOME legalization advocates feel that way. I don't. I just feel the damage done by prohibition is much worse. Legalization would lead, among other things, to better information everywhere.
Posted by dwightmoodyforgetsthings http://www.reddit.com/r/spaceclop on August 24, 2012 at 10:51 AM · Report
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Cannabis and psychosis/schizophrenia: human studies. Deepak Cyril D’Souza, Richard Andrew Sewell, Mohini Ranganathan. Eur Arch Psychiatry Clin Neurosci (2009) 259:413–431.

Just put it into pubmed for a recent review of the relevant literature.

Yer welcome potheads.
Posted by pandasparagus on August 24, 2012 at 11:01 AM · Report
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More studies on marijuana and school performance, job performance, driving, and crime. The stoners adamantly refuse to discuss any of it.
Posted by Mister G on August 24, 2012 at 11:54 AM · Report
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@134, It's great to hear that you've found some peace in your life and have sought help for destructive patterns. And I think you bring up a great point: a lot of people believe marijuana is helping them because it temporarily calms them or otherwise makes them stop caring about what troubles them. But that's just what weed is (like alcohol) for personal troubles--acutely psychotic or not: a temporary fix.

@137, you're right; it's not a fact. I'm for the legalization of pot for the same reasons you probably are. I was drawing a broad generalization about those who espouse the notion that pot's "no big deal." Compared to a lot of other drugs, sure, but we've got to discuss the whole of it, as you suggest (yes, legalization will make it better).
Posted by mtnlion on August 24, 2012 at 12:59 PM · Report
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At the moment, to a great degree because of its legal status, marijuana is far less popular than alcohol. 6% of the U.S.population over 12 uses pot, while 66% of the adult population uses alcohol.

If we legalize marijuana, its use will undoubtedly go up quite a bit. And so will severe schizophrenia.
Posted by Mister G on August 24, 2012 at 4:27 PM · Report
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YOU GUYS. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE EVER SEEN AN ARTICLE BE MORE COMMENTED ON THAN SAVAGE LOVE.
Posted by mtnlion on August 24, 2012 at 4:53 PM · Report
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My younger brother has suffered from bipolar over the last 20 years. On a few occasions I've been with him when he smoked pot - he goes from 0 to 200 in a matter of seconds, completely off his rocker. This is from a couple of tokes, not heavy use at all, which I know he doesn't do. The first time it was offered to him I had no idea this would happen even though I knew he was having mental illness problems (though pre diagnosis and suicide attempt etc etc). The other times was when people offered it to him despite my warnings and/or protests.

Pot is a psychoactive plant and should be approached and respected as such. For 95% of the population it will just make one "stoned" but for the other 5% it can have heavy affects, sometimes from prolonged usage but maybe even from a toke or two (possibly the case of the Florida face eater). Great and sad article that hits close to home. Thank you Christopher.
Posted by cpp on August 24, 2012 at 5:03 PM · Report
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My younger brother has suffered from bipolar over the last 20 years. On a few occasions I've been with him when he smoked pot - he goes from 0 to 200 in a matter of seconds, completely off his rocker. This is from a couple of tokes, not heavy use at all, which I know he doesn't do. The first time it was offered to him I had no idea this would happen even though I knew he was having mental illness problems (though pre diagnosis and suicide attempt etc etc). The other times was when people offered it to him despite my warnings and/or protests.

Pot is a psychoactive plant and should be approached and respected as such. For 95% of the population it will just make one "stoned" but for the other 5% it can have heavy affects, sometimes from prolonged usage but maybe even from a toke or two (possibly the case of the Florida face eater). Great and sad article that hits close to home. Thank you Christopher.
Posted by cpp on August 24, 2012 at 5:08 PM · Report
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Truly touching and captivating. As someone with a mentally ill and drug-addicted sister, this really reminds me to see past the frustration she can bring to my family and understand the often overlooked pain she must go through constantly. Thank you for such a great piece, Christopher.
Posted by yourenopunk on August 24, 2012 at 5:54 PM · Report
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Love this article. So impressed. After several hard months of marijuana over-use, my younger brother emerged from the ashes with a full blown case of psychosis. He was about 19 at the time, exactly the age schizophrenia sometimes appears. Did he smoke pot to mask his illness? To make sense of his slipping reality? Did pot smoking make it worse, bring it on? Many of us know about the risks of LSD and mental illness, but we don't like to talk about marijuana and mental illness. For that matter, we need to do a WAY BETTER JOB talking about mental illness in general!! I sometimes smoke to deal with mild depression... but I often feel worse/addicted. This article comes at a perfect time. Thanks.
Posted by mooglitz on August 24, 2012 at 7:16 PM · Report
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Love this article. Amazing, insightful folks commenting too. So impressed. After several hard months of marijuana over-use, my younger brother emerged from the ashes with a full blown case of psychosis. He was about 19 at the time, exactly the age schizophrenia sometimes appears. Did he smoke pot to mask his illness? To make sense of his slipping reality? Did pot smoking make it worse, bring it on? Many of us know about the risks of LSD and mental illness, but we don't like to talk about marijuana and mental illness. For that matter, we need to do a WAY BETTER JOB talking about mental illness in general. Education is key.
Posted by mooglitz on August 24, 2012 at 7:32 PM · Report
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Sometimes there are ridiculous subjects and crude language and I can see why some people (who probably don't ever read it) don't take The Stranger seriously as journalism. Then there are articles like this which blow us away. Articles which hit us deep in the soul. Like the Eli's article on the Teresa Butz trial which can still bring tears to me eyes. It's these kinds of articles that remind me The Stranger is Pulitzer-class journalism.
Posted by hifiandrew on August 24, 2012 at 10:59 PM · Report
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Slight tangent: Cass Stewart is the perfect example of why we need legislation like Initiative 502, which would include guidelines/background checks for people who run these businesses. He is a not only ignorant, but a volatile and violent human being- He instigated a bloody fist fight within a shopping center and was subsequently trespassed. No way should he be involved in the distribution of mind altering substances.
Posted by aurora on August 25, 2012 at 1:12 AM · Report
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Drugs are scary and we need better people dishing them out. It's that simple.
Posted by Charlie Cash http://charliecashonetwothree.webs.com/ on August 25, 2012 at 10:15 AM · Report
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Christopher -- did you take any steps to verify that Rosado was actually molested? It figures prominently in the narrative you create -- especially the lengthy quotations from the unnamed psychologist -- and seems to be supported only by a strange Facebook update from a woman who introduced herself to you as a time traveler.
Posted by display name on August 25, 2012 at 11:35 PM · Report
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I think the main lesson is to Know Thy Neighbors. I think it is absolutely disgusting that we city people are not truly friendly with our neighbors. I am a friendly and attractive Seattlite who has lived here for twelve years. I have always tried to talk with ALL of my neighbors, baked cookies, etc, and there is still this introspective snotty coldness in this city. I do not want to leave Seatttle because I love the geography and weather, absolutely gorgeous. But the people...ugh. Ugly, smug, unfriendly, unsexy, neurotic. (And I was BORN here, a true Norwegian. I feel so Medditerranan in this town, disgusting, blandly white and disconnected.) Shame on you, Seattle.
Posted by luxvoluptas on August 26, 2012 at 1:22 AM · Report
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Awesome article Mr. Frizzelle. I hope it will open some eyes to the fact that pot can induce/strengthen a psychotic episode.I believe that it is also a motivation killer.But that is an opinion the first is based on actual studies and research.
I don't think for a moment that any one in the article was a "character" except maybe the cat. Real people with real problems. I also believe that, as a reporter, Mr. Frizzelle had an obligation, if not to the readers than to himself, to dig as deep as he did. Obviously it touched quite a few nerves to get so many people to comment on it. It was unbiased, informative, and touched on so many controversial subjects.
Three cheers for #74, adopting pets doesn't happen enough and the cats name seemed appropriate and beautiful(in any language).
Once again, bravo Mr. Frizzelle, well done.
Posted by sdeckhardt999 on August 26, 2012 at 3:41 AM · Report
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This article grabbed my attention for two reasons, 1. three weeks ago I found myself intervening to prevent a SWAT team from shooting my mentally ill next door neighbor (in a city far away from Seattle), and 2. even as a daily pot smoker for 12 years who has gain tremendous advantages from weed, I have many misgivings over its presentation as a panecea for all ills, and there is little question that weed played a role in greatly increasing this guy's symptoms leading to the SWAT stand off.

My neighbor was always a bit loony, being tall skinny and in his late 50's coming home from work at the office and then dressing in corsets and panties and blowing bubbles in his front yard. (Well, that part wasn't that loony, but if you talked to him he was clearly pretty devoid from reality.)

Three weeks ago, I looked out my window to see a guy in full tactical gear in my yard pointing his gun at my neighbor's house. Apparently, he had brandished a gun that later turned out to be A) antique, B) broken, and C) unloaded at a roommate who made noise while he was trying to sleep that afternoon.

After having read so many headlines in my life that read "family of mentally ill man upset over police shooting", I was frightened for him and wound up speaking to two negotiators and the operations chief to explain that while he was mentally ill, it was "dingbat" level mentally ill, and not scary crazy mentally ill and that I was skeptical about him having a working gun.

I was deeply relieved that they were actually very interested in my opinion that he probably had no idea of the seriousness of his actions and that the only person in this situation that was likely to get hurt was him. In the end, they stormed his house and arrested him without violence (the poor guy was asleep the whole "stand off", finally getting some sleep once the noisey roommate was out!).

Since he got bailed out, he decided to stop all drugs/alcohol/medication and is definitely a different person. Mentally ill, yes, loony toons off the deep end, no. And pot was his main thing.

Despite having had nothing but positive results with my own mental health and physical health from smoking pot daily for well over a decade, it doesn't take medical studies to see where someone who has totally lost all grip on reality probably won't benefit from such a mental drug. It didn't cause his problem, but I would say that it made it much, much worse.

I don't even think that you can necessarily cast a wide net and say that all people with serious mental illness would not benefit, as there are people in this comments section who weighed in with their own stories to the contrary, but I think that a great deal of caution and self-awareness should be used when going there.
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Posted by sweet g on August 26, 2012 at 10:46 AM · Report
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@152, Move away, then.

I hardly think that insulting the inhabitants of an entire city in so many scathing words is any way to enamor them to you. From the way you write, it sounds like maybe the problem is you. I live here and have encountered mostly fun, interesting, and open people. When people complain about Seattleites and how "they" are, it makes me quite suspicious. Perhaps the haters are lacking the social skills to appropriately engage with others? Maybe they expect people to just be sooo charmed by them right off the bat?

Then again, I don't usually open with a line about how much better other places are or how unattractive they are (seriously, who cares if someone's ugly? You seem to have a big problem with that, which makes me think you're pretty shallow).
Posted by mtnlion on August 26, 2012 at 4:49 PM · Report
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@154, I like your contribution; it was encouraging about the police. And an awesome perspective on how pot may have enhanced your state of mind, but an understanding of how it's not helpful for everyone.
Posted by mtnlion on August 26, 2012 at 4:51 PM · Report
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"the cat was now moot."
Posted by Sean Nelson, Emeritus on August 27, 2012 at 6:43 AM · Report
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Thank you, Christopher Frizzelle. Great piece and really has me thinking. I'm very sorry this happened to everyone touched by it.
Posted by ooppoddoo on August 27, 2012 at 7:32 AM · Report
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RIP Alyssa.
Christopher - Very good writing, just now let's try to stick to one topic per article?
To use a mentally ill womans tragic death as a sneaky way for Rothman to air more of his batshit crazy, added to more ignorant and WRONG testifying about how great 5 0 2 is, in a piece about a womans tragic end of life is irresponsible, immature, and, well, flat wrong.
I have to ask, was this written before during or after "So we invited Tom over and the four of us drank", as that (and your boyfriends 'panic attack' ) is, to everyone else, just another tell about the standards morals and ethics of your fellow NAWbots.
What happened with Alyssa is neither because she smoked pot - which you hardly have the information nor the right to allege - whether she volunteered in a collective 3 or 4 times, or if her boyfriend smoked. Maybe the latex at Castle cauised it? Pfffft! As IF!
You know it, we know it, why can't you folks just choose your booze and not try leading the rest of whoever down that piss-soaked garden path?
Honestly Christopher, massive fail - a human being died. Please respect that.
Posted by ricsmith on August 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM · Report
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Just heard you speak on KUOW. I piece that is missing from the conversation comes from a PBS or Discovery channel show on Marijuana and how THC levels have been bred to be higher and by doing this another chemical that protects the brain from psychosis has been decreased. That would explain the increase in incidents in more recent years.
Posted by flicker on August 27, 2012 at 9:52 AM · Report
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Cass Stewart is the perfect example of why we need legislation like Initiative 502, which would include guidelines/background checks for people who run these businesses.

I-502 would exacerbate the problem. "Background checks" on dope sellers wouldn't do a damn thing to reduce the incidence of marijuana psychosis.
Posted by Mister G on August 27, 2012 at 11:02 AM · Report
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My neighbor was always a bit loony, being tall skinny and in his late 50's coming home from work at the office and then dressing in corsets and panties and blowing bubbles in his front yard. (Well, that part wasn't that loony, but if you talked to him he was clearly pretty devoid from reality.)

Which part wasn't loony -- the corsets, the panties, the front yard, the bubbles, the late 50s, the tall, or the skinny?
Posted by Mister G on August 27, 2012 at 11:04 AM · Report
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I lived in Capitol Hill for about five years. I thought it would be fun -- but it was the loneliest five years of my life. I don't have any mental health problems or whatever, so it's not like I was ever in danger of hurting myself or others. I tried to meet neighbors and new people and such, and found just an amazing level of apathy and insularity.

In a way, I get it -- Capitol Hill is really only interesting for a narrow band of people, and in retrospect, I wasn't one of them. I'm not bitter about it, but it was quite an education. I've moved since then, and am glad I did. I actually know my neighbors, and they aren't rail-thin heroin-addicted snobs.

Don't bother living in Capitol Hill unless you are 18-25, very attractive, and willing to act and dress in only very specific ways. Everyone else is really not welcome. And for a subculture that demands tolerance, it has very little.
Posted by nuh_uh on August 27, 2012 at 11:27 AM · Report
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tl;dr
Posted by TheGlove on August 27, 2012 at 1:07 PM · Report
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Thanks for this article. My partner is bipolar with severe sleeping disorders. He smokes pot - not heavily - but he claims it helps keep him level and helps him sleep. Most of the time, it does. However, occasionally, it has also thrown him into nasty, self-destructive episodes of crazy irrationality and deep depression. He's denied the pot has anything to do with these episodes, but I feel it's pretty clear that they are connected.
Posted by dragonfly10305 on August 27, 2012 at 7:02 PM · Report
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Very impressed by this article. And moved by the way you have honored this woman in her passing and have spoken up for other people who may be walking a similar path. Thank you for writing this!
Posted by lyo on August 27, 2012 at 11:38 PM · Report
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@161 Requiring competent and informed (and non-criminal) people to be the ones who distribute drugs would absolutely not exacerbate any problem. If any untrained person who has the means to start a business was allowed to operate and staff a pharmacy, there would be a dramatic increase in issues with prescribed drugs, as there would be no middle man to personally discuss harmful side effects, warnings, and interactions that are possible. As this article shows with the laughably ignorant, canned responses that the staff at the Apothecary give, the public has a marked interest in having better people with more pertinent knowledge being in charge of doling out powerful drugs.
Posted by aurora on August 27, 2012 at 11:43 PM · Report
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Very impressed. This was a great article. You honored this woman's life wonderfully and offer real hope to people who may be treading a similar path. Thank you for writing this and for covering such difficult subjects. I'm excited to read more from you.
Posted by lyo on August 27, 2012 at 11:44 PM · Report
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I live in 606. My friend in 605 died in Feb, alone. She was surrounded by friends and family but couldn't feel it. Our lack of community is killing people and destroying lives.
Posted by s0mmer on August 28, 2012 at 11:37 PM · Report
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Sad, but excellent story with important information about mental health issues, marijuana use and suicide. Rosado's death was not in vain.
Posted by Adam Mark on August 29, 2012 at 2:05 PM · Report
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thank you for writing this, christopher, as hard as it may be for you, your boyfriend and neighbors to remember the details of that night. and thank you for your research into the lack of knowledge regarding marijuana and mental health issues. as a clinical social worker, i learned long ago that the hallmark symptom of marijuana smoking is paranoia. marijuana can escalate psychotic symptoms and is not for everyone. and, as a 17-year resident of beloved capitol hill, i want to extend my sincere condolences to you, your boyfriend, neighbors, and of course alyssa's family, boyfriend tom, and friends. furthermore, i would like to say this to you and your neighbors, if i may: thank you for your good work. we don't get recognized enough for the good work we do in this life that doesn't have a dollar sign attached to it. i enjoy your writings and it is obvious to me you are very talented in that area. but the work you and your neighbors did on that night, as well as your ex-maintenance man, chris', was pure grace, so thank you, all of you. i'm sorry the police weren't more gentle with dear alyssa, though i don't blame them for her death...i blame loneliness. the wall writings of your former neighbor who took his life, the sweet smile and breezy hellos of my former neighbor who took her life, selling all her possessions months before she left so friends wouldn't have much to carry away in the aftermath, all evidence to the fact that we can unknowingly live among desperation and supreme sadness. the kind gesture of making eye contact and saying hello is underrated, so lets keep trying. even if its awkward, embarrassing, or potentially opening a can of worms. the simple gesture is sometimes the most profound. thanks for the reminder, christopher and neighbors. i am not catholic, but i love this quote from mother teresa: if we have no hope, it is because we have forgotten we belong to one another. namaste. your neighbor, cat
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Posted by cat61 on August 29, 2012 at 7:01 PM · Report
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This article is beautifully written. You have taken such a tragic subject and turned it into one that is not only touching and haunting, but also informative. I'm so sorry, in a sense, that you and your boyfriend were so close to this, but I'm so happy you've been able to record it so eloquently. I'll look for your articles in the future.
Posted by emarie on August 29, 2012 at 7:17 PM · Report
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Thank you Christopher,

This article has alerted me to the link between sister's pot use and her psychosis. A few years after my sister suffered a serious brain injury she developed schizophrenic symptoms. Since this time she has been a heavy pot user. The pot use has coincided with her psychotic breaks. I have informed my family so we may try and keep her off the smoke.
Posted by 7777 on August 30, 2012 at 12:06 PM · Report
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I interpret her symptoms stemming from dissociative identity disorder. All or many of her ego states began to speak at once, engaging in a battle over the truth of her molestation. One of her alters liked weed.
Posted by Slick on August 31, 2012 at 6:33 AM · Report
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This is so thoughtfully written. I had no idea about pot. I always thought it was harmless. Thanks so much.
Posted by Oscar M http://oscarmcnary.wordpress.com/ on August 31, 2012 at 3:43 PM · Report
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If this article and it's topics most especially the loneliness, feelings of isolation and break from reality all in this apartment building were expanded into a book, I would read it. If it were a movie, I would watch it.
Posted by Misha_H http://www.theartofmishahuntting.weebly.com on August 31, 2012 at 4:38 PM · Report
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Alyssa Rosado was apparently half Tlingit Indian whom reside in Southeast Alaska.In 2004 the Juneau Empire newspaper mentions her being in a group of 11 Native students conducting interviews at a conference .She was a sophmore at Juneau Douglas High School.Is there any photos of her?Or does it matter?The less we know of the crazy lady makes Frizzells article more tantalizing.Speaking of isolation,the old time Alaska Natives that used to patronize the Hawaii West Tavern and the Rendevous on 2nd Ave said in the days before mass transportation,some Alaska Natives would get stuck in cold Nordic Seattle and die of homesickness and despair
Posted by conlon unankarrow on August 31, 2012 at 7:35 PM · Report
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Whoever wrote this and her friends are a bunch of emo hipsters.
Posted by Jochen Ockman on September 3, 2012 at 6:18 PM · Report
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First I was shocked that it took so long to call the cops, and the lack of empathy for a fellow human being screaming, junkie or not. Had just one of you called 911 sooner, she may still be alive. I've saved four people's lives calling the cops as soon as I heard any kind of pounding, screaming, arguing (two were having seizures, one domestic violence and one junkie - who got clean).

Second, sadly, it's not the building, it's exceedingly common in major cities worldwide, and very much "Seattle". Look up the stats. How many of you out there say hi to any of your neighbors?

Third, the idea that marijuana is harmless is asinine, always has been. Valid scientific studies on the connection between marijuana, psychosis, Alzheimer's, cancer, emphysema, migraines and addiction (yes, marijuana is addictive) are in books, on the web, and have been available since 1985. If you want to believe the studies that marijuana is harmful are "propaganda", volunteer at Harborview for a week or two.
Everyone pro marijuana seems to forget it's a Hallucinogen.
I've been in the medical field for the last ten years and have seen and been part of extensive, valid studies on this. I've watched patients die from it (yes die from it), and in my youth smoked the shit for five years. Most of the medical benefits are psychosomatic. There are better drugs that work faster than THC, especially in the last three years. Also, the drug cartels are not going to give it up so easily. There will be casualties, innocent or otherwise, and a lot of them.

As I got to the end of the article, it is well written, and has great impact. I hope all who read it stop living like you are the only one on the planet and no one else exists. Saying 'Hi" to your neighbor takes less than a second, acknowledging your fellow human being is not a crime, and if you get no response, at least you reached out instead of chickening out.
If you feel like you are alone, isolated, go to a Senior Citizen's center, volunteer at a Hospital or Hospice, they'd love to have you.

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Posted by NRT II on September 6, 2012 at 1:48 AM · Report
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This was also the building Kristen Pfaff from Hole was murdered in on June 16, 1994.
Posted by KPF on September 6, 2012 at 2:27 AM · Report
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This was a very compelling and thoughtful piece. This is also one of the few articles that features perspectives on mental health from a not-strictly biological point of view which I found very refreshing. The fact that mental health crises result from real pain and confusion resulting from life events and insufficient coping resources (whether environmental and/ or genetic) and not some vague "chemical imbalance" for which only pills are the answer is something that needs to be out there much more. Thanks for this!
Posted by nadiliz on September 12, 2012 at 9:40 AM · Report
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This is a very compelling and thoughtful piece. Its one of the few articles I've ever seen that features perspectives on mental health that were not strictly from a biological point of view which I found to be very refreshing. The fact that mental health crises (or any issues) arise from real pain and confusion stemming from unfortunate life events that are exaccerbated by a lack of a support network and insuficient coping resources (whether environmental or genetic) and not only by some vague "chemical imbalance" for which random combinations of pills seem to be the only answer is something that needs to be represented much more in conversations about mental health.

Also I love the conclusion about getting to know ones neighbors more. we all have a role to play in the isolation or inclusion of all people in our daily lives. So much pain and trauma comes from lonesome childhoods because no one would play with the "weird" kid and I still see so much of that behavior in adult life. Thanks so much for this!
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