David Lynch makes obscure, darkling movies, and fittingly his reputation as an interviewee is an uneasy mix between inarticulate black hole and gregarious man-child. But this year, self-distributing and stumping for his most difficult and indigestible movie, Lynch is an open book, frank and energetic. If anything, Inland Empire makes his trademark elusivenessโtalk of โideas comingโ and โfeeling right,โ like a painterโseem, for once, wholly appropriate.
The Stranger: How did Inland Empire originate? With the equipment?
David Lynch: Well, I started experimenting, producing little things for my websiteโIโd shoot these little bits and pieces I called โexperiments,โ with this digital camera I got. I thought it was a toy, but then I fell in love with it, I just fell in love. So then I got an idea for a scene, all by itself, and so I shot it with that camera. Then, another scene, and another, all disconnected from each other. Slowly, a story emerged. I went to Canal+ in France and said, I donโt know what Iโm doing here, but are you in? And they said theyโre in. It was that beautiful. It really was like writing down ideas for a screenplay, a little here, a little there. Usually, youโd eventually have a screenplay, not a film. This way, I had material already for the film.
Iโve read that Laura Dernโs long prostitute monologue was that first scene.
People say thatโs the first scene, but itโs not true. I donโt want to say which part came first, because it would putrefy the rest.
What determined the movieโs size and shape?
It was the same process as itโs always been for me: The ideas come, one by one, action, reaction; eventually they make a whole that feels correct.
This movieโs particularly difficult for some viewers; you have to sympathizeโwhen you use the word โstoryโโฆ
I hear you, I do sympathize. But for me there is a story, to me it makes sense. But when a film is abstract in its storytelling, some people have difficulty letting go and just having the experience, and dealing with it intellectually afterwards.
The movie makes you hunt for corollaries; I thought of Persona and Juliet of the Spirits, the splintering feminine psycheโฆ Not on your radar?
No, Iโve seen both of those films, I love them, but no. They said the same thing about Mulholland Dr.
Can you go back to orthodox filmmaking ever again?
If I fell in love with an idea, Iโd make itโlike The Straight Story, I didnโt write it, I read it, I saw in my mind how itโd be, and so I did it. But shooting film as compared to shooting video is soooo inefficient. The downtimeโI die the death. Magic can get lost. With video, thereโs no waiting, you get deep into a scene, things can happen, and with auto-focus you can make little changes as you shoot you could never make with film. It doesnโt have filmโs quality, but it has its own quality, and I love its quality. Film has gotten as good as itโs going to get. Video is the future, and itโs just going to get better and better.
Why Lodz?
Itโs pronounced โwooch.โ Strange, isnโt it, all those sounds. Itโs because I was invited to the Camera Image festival in 2000, and I became friends with those people, what a great bunch. But also the city in winterโthe mood, the architecture, it drove me crazy.
The ideas of good and evil as portrayed in your movies lead me to ask if you believe in God.
For sure. Butโฆ I do, but itโs probably not a man on a throne.
My 9-year-old read me this from a magazine yesterday, and I thought of youโthe fact that the weight of all the termites in the world is heavier than all the humans. But you never see them, theyโre under the surface.
Thatโs Blue Velvet, right there. Wow, a good fact to know!
Iโm well aware you hate to analyze your films, but it seems to me that thereโs a pervasive attempt at expressing a visceral anxiety, from Eraserhead onโis it self-expression, or a crafted vision of the world, or something else? I remember years ago reading Mel Brooksโs interpretation of Eraserhead, when The Elephant Man came outโhe said it โbetrayed a strong anxiety about parenthood.โ
Well, thatโs Melโs take. For me, itโs just the ideasโit sounds like it, but Iโm not copping outโthey come. Itโs nice if theyโre in a whole but usually theyโre in pieces. Then a whole emerges eventually, and only later can you look back on it and see a theme, or whatever. But everyoneโs different. Thereโs that old saying, โthe world is as you areโโsome people see everything through dirty gray glasses, some people see through rose-colored glasses. Some see only politics, others only see elements of love and emotions. The audience is such a huge part of a movie, how it plays out. Sure, thereโs anxiety, thatโs part of human nature. But thereโre other things, and how you see it all is up to you.
