if they kick you out, it’s a shame!
for it’s one, two, three beefs you’re out
of the old M’s game!*
Seems the Stranger, along with the Mariners and several other sports-intensive Seattle media outlets, recently got an email from one Ryan Shell, a Mariners’ fan who was ejected from his seats in section 111, along with his buddy, for standing and cheering for Milton Bradley during the Cubs-Mariners game on Thursday, June 24. He claims that all he was doing was supporting Milton Bradley during his ninth inning at-bat in a tied game…
merely to cheer loud and hard for Milton in a vain attempt to drown out the negativity being poured on him by his former team’s fans.
Ahem. Guilty as charged.
Apparently, not only the Cubs fans in that section, but also the sit-on-their hands Mariners’ fans complained to security, and he and his pal were escorted out. He claims to have used no profane language to the Safeco staff or other fans, making the whole argument about one thing: do you get to stand up and cheer at the ballgame or not?
This same situation came up at the Cubs-Reds game Thursday. Two guys in my section were on their feet cheering for the Cubs, struggling as always to score runs at a very similar junction of the game (2-2 tie, bottom of the 8th). Security told them to take their seats, they argued and one of them asked “Whose side are you on?” and then an older guy seated behind them who couldn’t see and didn’t want to stand (or maybe couldn’t stand up: he never moved from his seat the whole game) said, “My side, you jerk!” That shamed them enough that they sat down. My shout of “Standing is bad luck!” (verified when Derrick “DP” Lee hit into an inning-ending double play with the lead run on third, when a fucking sac fly woulda got us the lead) hadn’t worked.
What it comes down to is the logic of all or nothing and the psychology of the crowd. If everyone is standing, then it’s OK: since no one’s view is blocked (and Shell points out that the team asked the fans to stand for Ichiro’s at bat). Obviously, when everyone is sitting, it’s all good. Shell attributes the problem and his ejection to the fair-weather fan attitude of Mariners’ folks, who show up and cheer when the team is doing well and stay away when it isn’t and don’t know how to act in general.
Personally, I’d agree. A stadium where you can get ejected for shoutingโor wearingโ”Yankees Suck!” is too damn polite for its own good. At the same time, if you’re the only people standing in an area to cheer, maybe you suck for rudely blocking the view of people who, as Shell admits, paid just as much money as he did for their seats.
Or, as I pointed out to a stander in front of me once who told me I could stand up too, “I paid for a seat, not a stand.” As with any crowd moment, the individual trying to shape the behavior of the group has to judge the mood of the people around him or her: if your efforts to rouse the crowd to stand and cheer fail… sit the fuck down. If they succeed, bask in the adrenaline rush glory of your leadership. The same with heckling: if the people around you laugh, then you’re doing well. If they don’t, shut the fuck up.
His full email is after the jump.
*(With apologies to the author of “Take Me Out to the Ballgame, tin pan alley Maestro Jack Norworth)
From: xxxx
To: fanfeedback@mariners.mlb.com
Subject: Cubs vs. Mariners 6/29
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 19:26:44 -0700
To All Interested Parties,
I am writing to share with you my utter disappointment with my treatment at the game against the Cubs on Thursday, June 29th. I’ve heard brief comments on the local radio networks regarding the fans at this series so I wanted to extend my experience to you fine media types in addition. I apologize that it is not more timely but I hope you all find it of interest.
My friend and I were enjoying the game, seated in section 111. In the bottom of the ninth inning of a 2-2 game we rose to our feet in support of Milton Bradley who had come on to pinch hit and was subsequently booed furiously by the many Cubs fans in attendance. We cheered and rooted him on through his introduction and first pitch. The fans in the surrounding section behind us began jeering us to, “Sit down! Put your arms down! Down in front! We paid for our seats too!” Our intention was merely to cheer loud and hard for Milton in a vain attempt to drown out the negativity being poured on him by his former team’s fans. The reaction however, spurred my friend and I to remain standing, albeit defiantly, and root on the team in this exciting moment (seeing clearly that our fellow fans were content to sit on their hands and let our guys get booed out of their own park).
I wish now to express that neither of us were intoxicated or indulged in profanity. We simply sought to express our support in the best way we as passionate fans knew how. The shock that we would instantly be derided led to our own admittedly questionable actions. However, I hardly think it is appropriate to discount the fact that we did so in the ninth inning of a tie game with runners on base in what would have amounted to a series sweep and seventh consecutive win by the Mariners. For my part I feel that the entire stadium should have already been on their feet. A point I shared with those fans around me while encouraging them to join us in support.
Shortly after an usher arrived and was very friendly in asking us to be seated. I questioned where on my ticket it indicated that I was required to do so. He handed us a red code of conduct ticket and informed us that security would be arriving soon. We continued to cheer and stand. We were even joined shortly by our entire section when Ichiro was introduced (so it is apparently alright to stand for Ichiro’s at-bats, or when the PA announcer says so, as was done during the same inning). Security arrived in due time and politely escorted us out. We were courteous to the entire Safeco Field staff during these interactions. The fans who cheered our removal however were given the full breadth of my opinion of how I felt they should be ashamed in letting out of town fans take over the stadium like that. I did so without using any inappropriate language.
After the game we spoke to other Mariners and Cubs fans who were equally appalled by the events. We even spoke to a former Mariner who agreed. He went as far as to say that the Mariners have a hard time attracting valuable free agents because players around the league are aware that the fan support is bandwagon at best and dreadful during the hard times, particularly against big market teams whose fans travel well. I had always defended Seattle fans when I heard descriptions along these lines but I can’t possibly do so anymore. In this fine city with passionate fans in support of the Huskies, Seahawks and Sounders; the Mariners fans are an embarrassment. Come the end of the year when commercials begin to run featuring players thanking the “best fans in baseball” I will only be able to laugh and shake my head. I’ll turn to those near me and tell them about how two of the most dedicated Mariners fans were thrown out for cheering in the bottom of the ninth of a tie game. Perhaps the next time I go to a game I’ll have the 10,000 fans participating in that obnoxious wave tossed for obstructing my view for the previous three innings.
Regrettably,
Ryan M. Shell

you’d think there’d have to be a same-sex kiss involved…
The stadium’s ridiculous rules have eliminated the fans’ ability to express themselves.
Now the team only gets the fans they deserve.
This is why I vastly prefer going to Seahawks or Sounders games, where you are actually allowed to, you know, cheer for your team. The Mariner fan experience at Safeco is so neutered and bland.
I was at the game with my kids (around age 10 or so) in 2001 when the Marines clinched their playoff spot (early in September).
The people in the row in front of us complained that we were clapping and cheering too loudly.
Some Seattle fans are pathetic and should just stay home and watch on television.
I missed the cubs game last night. What happened? What was the score?
My group of friends has been escorted out of Mariners and Sounders games for standing and cheering. It is completely ridiculous. We are die-hard Seattle sports fans (not fairweather) and paid for tickets just as everyone else did.
I was born and raised here but cannot believe the fans in this city.. Not just for sports, but if you go to a concert it’s the same thing. We have a great live music scene but the crowds just stand and bob their heads.
I don’t buy this story. There’d be no Red Sox fans left in Safeco during Boston series, if this was the case.
Also, I spent an entire game yelling at Chone Figgins two seasons ago, about two rows back from where he used to play for the Angels at third base. Ironic, now, but still…
One of my favorite moments at Safeco was joining in with the entire section behind the left field manual scoreboard, in yelling to Rickey Henderson until he finally turned and tipped his cap to us, in 2000.
A few years back at Safeco Field I yelled “the Bronx is a dump” to the Yankee bullpen, and was promptly told by an usher not to use “abusive language”. The stadium itself is pretty awesome, but the rules, the fans and the insidious “entertainment” (boat races, hat trick, etc) are often dreadful.
As for Cubs fans, most are too fat and/or drunk to stand up anyhow.
I only got to see the M’s at the Kingdome for about two years before they moved to Safeco, but I’m pretty sure this wouldn’t have happened there. The fans were more fun then, too, especially when Edgar would come up to bat.
Down In Front fans need to stay the fuck home
if you put half as much effort into cheering as you do into bitching maybe your teams would do better
Baseball is a dead rotting corpse. Send the Mariners to Oklahoma City to keep the ex-Sonics company, before the stench gets worse.
Go to Storm games – Seattle is known for truly having the best fans in the league. Plenty of standing fans cheering.
Storm lol
This really pisses me off. Fans of the other team always seem exempt from any of these rules while the homers bear the brunt of Safeco’s overly family-friendly policies. Other fans always take over the stadium because of this, and it happens with just about any team that has enough of them living in Seattle. Apparently the organization’s staff is okay with this, just as long as Queen Anne and Magnolia families can have a nice little evening at the ballgame.
Also, alcohol enforcement at Safeco is ridiculous. I was at one of the St. Louis games the other week with some friends after we decided to get some cheap centerfield seats. While seated with beers in hand, our IDs were checked multiple times by different staff members and a friend who doesn’t drink had his motherfucking Pepsi smell-checked TWICE. Whoever’s making these calls at the organizational level should be run the fuck out of town by an angry promotional-giveaway-bat-wielding crowd.
Thanks for reminding me why I go to Sounders games.
What a lame town.
Bottom of the 9th, 2 outs, we’re down by 1 with a runner on second. Most of the crowd is up cheering their brains out except this one 60+ year old jackass who hadn’t cracked a smile all game and kept tapping the shoulder of the people in front of him to get them to sit down. My guess is he won the tickets, because no one who paid for a seat would be that big a douche.
What is this baseball you speak of?
@6
I’ve never been to a Sounders game where everyone wasn’t standing throuout play (even when it’s bad). Where the heck were you sitting?
We must develop a mass spectator sport even slower than baseball, so this unseemly temptation to stand and cheer will be avoided.
Affirming most of the comments here, Mariners management and their ridiculous rules regarding conduct are stifling true baseball expression in this town. I have witnessed waaay too many fans tossed out of games for very minor, or no infractions. I saw some fans, in the front row 3rd base side, take a foul ball in their beers, and were laughing and yelling at the other team about it, all in good fun, they were thrown out. Its retarded. A good portion of the origins of this game, are rooted in the New York metropolitan area, with its concordant fan base, who have no problem expressing themselves vocally; this is a tradition that mostly refrains from abusive language, but does reward a good heckle. Its all part of the game. I just keep thinking that if the Yankee management tried to put some of these rules on their fans, they’d have a fuckin’ riot on their hands.
I used to love going to see the Mariners, at Safeco, win or lose, but now I am just tired of it. Tired of the loud obnoxious commercials playing out on the Jumbotron in between innings, tired of the canned exhortations to “get loud!” Tired of these ridiculous and shortsighted conduct rules. And yes, tired of the losing.
@19, as a related bit of anecdotal “evidence”, I’ve been going to baseball games anywhere from 2-20 times a season since moving to Seattle in 1991, and I’ve yet to see anyone removed from Safeco or the Kingdome for any reason, ever.*
* With the possible exception of the fans who rushed the Kingdome field at the end of that Angels/Ms sudden death playoff game at the end of the 95 season, that started tearing up the turf. Those guys were probably removed or even arrested.