I don't know how big a star Margaret Cho is, but she's very open about kink. A few other musicians and comedians are, now that I think about it. People on the Marilyn Manson or Jim Norton angles.
He shows up with strange bruises, the next week it's a minor fracture, his neck has been strained, sometimes there's a knee brace, the shoulder's been f-cked up for a while, and his back is a chronic issue too. The excuse of course is that he's active, that he exercises, he's sporty, and that's true, yes, but the injuries are not sustained while playing pickup.
It's not even that it's TMI (although sometimes it is o.O), but the who vs how is relevant, I think. You'd want to drag your partner to a party, awards ceremony, or whatever. There's not much reason to want to drag along one's bondage ropes or leather harness out to similar social functions.
Though if any of them feel like talking about it, I don't see why not.
As for the injuries, oh hell I fell off the bed once during perfectly vanilla activities and limped for a few days after... I'm sure one can get injured while doing anything, but not necessarily because of *what* they were doing, if you catch my drift.
Maybe poly would be the next "new gay", as that still involves who and not so much how... (Hasn't Will Smith hinted that he & his wife have an open relationship?)
Elizabeth Taylor liked to be vigorously slapped around at least as far back as the sixties, the new joint biography "Furious Love" reveals. The author Sam Kashner had access to all of Richard Burton's diaries, in which he recorded everything. If that relationship wasn't kinky, nothing is.
I don't care about celebrities. They are not real people in any sense. They are personas. And the media already spends (wastes) too much time on their bullshit. Lindsay Lohan is a good example. I don't give a turd in a pie crust what she does.
@12 You know -- given the whole raunchy rock star personas that have been around since, oh the early seventies at least, plus all the wide wardrobe variety that's out there (plus the practically obligatory leatherman/dominatrix outfits for any kind of clubbing), anyone into kink has had protective coloring for decades, if you think about it.
Part of the problem is the vagueness of "kink". I mean, is it *anything* outside of heterosexual missionary position? Does it have to involve other objects -- or is voyeurism a kink, too? I'm not entirely sure that kink is entirely & only equivalant to BDSM -- or is it?
I must have missed the entire Penn Jillette thing but it doesn't surprise me a bit. From the first time I saw him on TV I just knew. Wouldn't mind having him practicing on me. ;)
Wow, how about sticking an "NSFW advertisements" warning next to your thesword.com link? I think giant cocks might be against my university's "no porn in the library" rule.
Penn Jillette from Penn and Teller has a dungeon in his house (mentioned in an article about his house) and Rob Halford of Judas Priest has also mentioned his dungeon; not even a hint of surprise there.
When The Beatles toured America their hotels were absolute brothels. Ronnie Spector remembers John Lennon taking her into a bedroom where a whole crowd of people were gathered around watching roadie Mal Evans fuck the daylights out of a couple of groupies. That's pretty kinky for 1964.
Beatles manager Brian Epstein enjoyed rough trade and "cottaging", and was frequently beaten to a pulp by his assorted sailors and workmen pickups.
Theater critic Kenneth Tynan enjoyed beating the shit out of his girlfriends and hookers so hard he frequently blacked their eyes and broke sticks over their backsides.
@11 Angelina Jolie gave an interview a while ago where she basically said that kink (and it seemed like she included bisexuality as one, though that could have been awkward wording) was something she used to do, but not anymore that she's in a proper grown-up relationship.
@17- Pretty much every straight woman I've ever gotten close enough with to get a real answer to that has been much more kinky. But there's probably something about me that attracts kinkier women. Probably the leash.
I suppose Jack McGeorge is not exactly a celebrity. He was part of Hans Blix's Iraq-WMD-inspector team. Anyone remember when the Washington Post outed him as a leader in the BDSM community (actually, he wasn't trying to hide anything), and he offered his resignation, but Hans Blix wouldn't accept it?
I think it depends on what you consider kinky. What exactly is the cut off between kink and not? What one person would consider kinky another would say is just "normal". Having said this, honestly do we need famous people babbling on and on about what they do in the bedroom?
HELLO? Lady Gaga, anyone?!? She wants your bad romance AND your bowlcut leather-clad dancing nazis!! That's about as kinky as you get.
Also, I can totally see getting all those injuries from sex. I cracked a rib from missionary, and got an infection from a small cut on my knee from from doggy-style in a barn. If I can do it, surely kinksters can too.
One of the "celebs" on some VH1 reality show a few years ago came out as being really active in her local BDSM scene... Sheesh... I can't think of who it was, and it was too long ago to be easily googleable. Was is Joan Jett? I think the show was The Surreal Life...
Kenneth Anger claims James Dean was a devotee of S&M in his second "Hollywood Bablyon" book.
To wit, "He had gotten into beating, boots, belts, and bondage scenes. Regulars at The Club tagged him with a singular moniker: the Human Ashtray. When stoned, he would bare his chests and beg for his masters to stub out their butts on it. After his fatal crash, the coroner made note of the, 'constellation of keratoid scars" on Jimmy's torso."
Also the "Onward Christian Soldier" guy has got to be Sean William Scott, the dude is straight (know a chick who dated him) but has been rumored to enjoy hardcore anal penetration, rumors that I don't think originated from that wonderful scene in "Road Trip".
As a BDSM practitioner if you're getting hurt like that by accident all the time then you're doing something wrong. My top just wants to hurt me, not injure me. There's a big difference!
@44- The only times I've seen George Michael talk about cottaging he said it wasn't really his thing, but when that cop showed him his erection, he felt like it was only polite to let the cop see his dick. Then he got arrested, so now he doesn't show his dick to just anyone any more.
Loved, loved, *loved* this article. And while on the whole I'd agree that being kinky is not the same as being gay, I'd like to point out that in some instances, it's strikingly similar.
For example: Some folks are hard-wired to be kinky (I know this--I am one). Some are hard-wired to be gay. In either case of hard-wiredness, it is not that person's choice (I didn't choose to have submissive tendencies). It's how they are. And, obviously, it affects how they pursue relationships and who they pursue them with.
For me, part of my kink *is* WHO I love. I am not able to fall in love with a non-dominant man. Ive tried--many, many times. It never worked out too well. I always felt like there was a piece--a BIG piece--missing from the relationship. I felt like such men couldn't understand me no matter how hard they tried. I eventually gave up pursuing non-dominant and/or vanilla men, knowing that no amount of effort would ever make it work for me. I'm not gay, but I have to imagine that if a gay person tried to date someone of the opposite gender, this is exactly how they'd feel, too--completely unfulfilled.
I do not love based on who can spank me the hardest or whose kinks are the most extreme. I love based on who the person is, how his dominant side works with mine. We could be having physically vanilla sex, and yet mentally it's not vanilla at all. The feelings that my current significant other, a dominant man, brings out in me are nothing like what any vanilla or non-dominant man has ever or could ever extract from me. These feelings happen no matter what we're doing--eating dinner, watching TV, or ****ing the hell out of each other. And I know these feelings would not happen were he not dominant--if that hard-wired submissive part of my brain didn't fit perfectly with that hard-wired dominant part of his brain.
In instances like these, I do believe that kinky people and gay people can often love in the same ways--and that in many instances of being kinky, it often IS who you love as opposed to how you love.
...or he's Batman.
Though if any of them feel like talking about it, I don't see why not.
As for the injuries, oh hell I fell off the bed once during perfectly vanilla activities and limped for a few days after... I'm sure one can get injured while doing anything, but not necessarily because of *what* they were doing, if you catch my drift.
Maybe poly would be the next "new gay", as that still involves who and not so much how... (Hasn't Will Smith hinted that he & his wife have an open relationship?)
Also, Madonna's SEX book was her way of coming out as a kinky slut, wasn't it? As if we'd have to guess...
Part of the problem is the vagueness of "kink". I mean, is it *anything* outside of heterosexual missionary position? Does it have to involve other objects -- or is voyeurism a kink, too? I'm not entirely sure that kink is entirely & only equivalant to BDSM -- or is it?
Not big celebrities. Good for them, anyway.
Beatles manager Brian Epstein enjoyed rough trade and "cottaging", and was frequently beaten to a pulp by his assorted sailors and workmen pickups.
Theater critic Kenneth Tynan enjoyed beating the shit out of his girlfriends and hookers so hard he frequently blacked their eyes and broke sticks over their backsides.
Jane Wiedlen of the Go-Gos is well-known as a dominatrix.
Too soon?
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George Michael is quite verbose about his penchant for anonymous public toilet sex.
Also, I can totally see getting all those injuries from sex. I cracked a rib from missionary, and got an infection from a small cut on my knee from from doggy-style in a barn. If I can do it, surely kinksters can too.
Jane Wiedlin!
To wit, "He had gotten into beating, boots, belts, and bondage scenes. Regulars at The Club tagged him with a singular moniker: the Human Ashtray. When stoned, he would bare his chests and beg for his masters to stub out their butts on it. After his fatal crash, the coroner made note of the, 'constellation of keratoid scars" on Jimmy's torso."
For example: Some folks are hard-wired to be kinky (I know this--I am one). Some are hard-wired to be gay. In either case of hard-wiredness, it is not that person's choice (I didn't choose to have submissive tendencies). It's how they are. And, obviously, it affects how they pursue relationships and who they pursue them with.
For me, part of my kink *is* WHO I love. I am not able to fall in love with a non-dominant man. Ive tried--many, many times. It never worked out too well. I always felt like there was a piece--a BIG piece--missing from the relationship. I felt like such men couldn't understand me no matter how hard they tried. I eventually gave up pursuing non-dominant and/or vanilla men, knowing that no amount of effort would ever make it work for me. I'm not gay, but I have to imagine that if a gay person tried to date someone of the opposite gender, this is exactly how they'd feel, too--completely unfulfilled.
I do not love based on who can spank me the hardest or whose kinks are the most extreme. I love based on who the person is, how his dominant side works with mine. We could be having physically vanilla sex, and yet mentally it's not vanilla at all. The feelings that my current significant other, a dominant man, brings out in me are nothing like what any vanilla or non-dominant man has ever or could ever extract from me. These feelings happen no matter what we're doing--eating dinner, watching TV, or ****ing the hell out of each other. And I know these feelings would not happen were he not dominant--if that hard-wired submissive part of my brain didn't fit perfectly with that hard-wired dominant part of his brain.
In instances like these, I do believe that kinky people and gay people can often love in the same ways--and that in many instances of being kinky, it often IS who you love as opposed to how you love.