Is the company that's actually doing the drilling called Seattle Tunnel Partnersâwhat a coincidence! or; are they simply an engineering group that drew up the plans? Since design/build is prohibited in Seattle, I'm a little confused about who submitted the proposal vs. who engineered the design vs. who's doing the construction.
I will accept both "not sure" and "don't worry about it" as answers.
@5, it's a company set up specifically to manage this bid and project. It includes Dragados USA, whose parent is ACS of Spain, and HNTB Corp., of Kansas City.
Once upon a time it was possible to build ventilation towers that were attractive to look at, like the Merseyside tunnel, and tunnel approaches that weren't the equivalent of sixteen lanes wide (multiple examples in New York). Those days are apparently past.
Notice how in the drawings the existing buildings are drawn blank as if they didn't matter and barely exist; the new structures are a bland, inobtrusive gray, so you don't notice them, and the only color in the entire scene is the lovely trees, which will bloom year-round, showering the happy citizens with the lovely aroma of money well-spent. These drawings are basically thought crimes.
This thing is a multi-billion-dollar white elephant.
The list of project guru resumĂŠs is interesting in that all but one have college degrees and only three have anything above a bachelor's science/art.
The three are the tunnel design manager who has degrees in civil engineering and geology, the environmental manager who has degrees in biology and ecology, and the community liaison person who has degrees in poly sci and public policy. The safety person is ex-Air Force and has been named to the Tunneling, Mining and Aggregates Management Chair of the Washington Governorâs Industrial Safety and Health Advisory Board, so maybe we're gonna be safe in whatever happens.
It's certainly an interesting look inside government-business conniving.
@11, I've been against the tunnel longer than you have, and ten times more intelligently. Nothing to do with billionaires, everything to do with concrete.
@9 - thanks for so calmly explaining that after having gazed upon so many architectural renderings of lush, full-grown trees that may never exist.
In related news, I've noticed recentlyâand I've lived here long enough at least to notice this hasn't happened in the recent pastâSan Francisco has actually finished construction projects by installing adult trees very near what was promised in pre-construction renderings. The hows-and-whys of why that happens now I'll ignore, and just be glad they're there.
@17, that's lovely. I love the many splits and joins, presumably from the many intersections above. I'm pro-tunnel in principle, just not when it wipes out so much of the central city.
Note that Madrid's M-30 is a ring road, and putting it underground unblocks a gazillion streets and allows them to go through. Our tunnel does not, because there's nothing on the other side except the bay. It will unblock only one or two streets, at the north end where Aurora cuts Lower Queen Anne off from South Lake Union. Whoopee.
Note also that the approaches are no bigger than the road they carry, nor are they bigger than the freeway they're replacing. I don't know WHY ours have to be so big, but they are.
I would also be interested in seeing a cost comparison; the Madrid project cost more, but it's something like thirty times as long, and includes not only bored tunnels but cut'n'cover and (gasp) several viaducts. I'm also wondering how much of that came from the EU.
On King 5 news they just talked about the tunnel having to go under the historic Old Federal Office Building, possibly causing structural damage. The Feds are having none of it.
@19, I agree the artist's rendition of what the approach design might be SUCKS.
As to the other stuff, best I can tell from the web in Spanish, in a neat reversal of our present situation, before beginning the project Madrid asked Spain to sign over title and control of the M-30 to the city. It's now the only one in Spain owned by a municipality. This presumably so Madrid could pay for its ambitious project using one of those wacky public-private partnerships, costs split 80/20 between the city and the Dragados group. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-30 (in Spanish) http://www.knightpiesold.co.uk/projects/…
As for what Madrid's decided to actually DO with all its reclaimed space aboveground, well...I see trees of green...here's a link showing lots of trees and plazas and such - more links at the end too: http://urbanscraper.blogspot.com/2010/06…
P.S. Simone @20, Publicola broke that story yesterday by reading the comments WSDOT received on its DSEIS. Erica followed up today: http://publicola.com/2011/01/18/state-fe…
Hell, I don't care if the ventilation building looks like a Satsop WPPSS cooling tower. In fact, it would add something interesting to the Seattle skyline for people to squawk about. Just dig the damn thing.
'Gregoire also gave a nod to a state study that shows the tunnel will accommodate about one-third of the existing viaduct traffic, while the rest would choke downtown streets and I-5. That traffic would be worse without the tunnel, she argues, saying, âWe will move cars through the tunnel and we will not displace them.â' How is this an argument for replacing the Viaduct?
The Ministry of Aesthetics and Modern Architecture has deemed the Viaduct a brilliant example of Post Modern Art Deco! One of the Best ways for Visitors to see the City and Bay with Exits to Pioneer Square, the Public Market, Art Museum and Downtown! The Ministery has decided to Retrofit and Strengthen the Existing Viaduct with Trolls, Lenin Statues, Rocket Ships, the Statue of Liberty and the Virgin of Guadalupe, etc. At a cost of Only 100 Million. This will bring visitors from around the World to See the Masterpiece bringing in Revenues, many times Surpassing the Cost, which will Be Shared by Everyone!
I will accept both "not sure" and "don't worry about it" as answers.
STP - it's just oil, don't mind our spills.
Once upon a time it was possible to build ventilation towers that were attractive to look at, like the Merseyside tunnel, and tunnel approaches that weren't the equivalent of sixteen lanes wide (multiple examples in New York). Those days are apparently past.
Notice how in the drawings the existing buildings are drawn blank as if they didn't matter and barely exist; the new structures are a bland, inobtrusive gray, so you don't notice them, and the only color in the entire scene is the lovely trees, which will bloom year-round, showering the happy citizens with the lovely aroma of money well-spent. These drawings are basically thought crimes.
This thing is a multi-billion-dollar white elephant.
Wow.
The three are the tunnel design manager who has degrees in civil engineering and geology, the environmental manager who has degrees in biology and ecology, and the community liaison person who has degrees in poly sci and public policy. The safety person is ex-Air Force and has been named to the Tunneling, Mining and Aggregates Management Chair of the Washington Governorâs Industrial Safety and Health Advisory Board, so maybe we're gonna be safe in whatever happens.
It's certainly an interesting look inside government-business conniving.
Lance Lundsten, a senior at Jefferson High School, died Saturday.
According to preliminary autopsy results that were shared with the family, he died from cardiac edema, a condition caused by an enlarged heart."
Tomorrow I will make myself a hot toddy, sit in a big ol' comfy chair and take a good long look at this shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfc7cXKEc…
In related news, I've noticed recentlyâand I've lived here long enough at least to notice this hasn't happened in the recent pastâSan Francisco has actually finished construction projects by installing adult trees very near what was promised in pre-construction renderings. The hows-and-whys of why that happens now I'll ignore, and just be glad they're there.
Note that Madrid's M-30 is a ring road, and putting it underground unblocks a gazillion streets and allows them to go through. Our tunnel does not, because there's nothing on the other side except the bay. It will unblock only one or two streets, at the north end where Aurora cuts Lower Queen Anne off from South Lake Union. Whoopee.
Note also that the approaches are no bigger than the road they carry, nor are they bigger than the freeway they're replacing. I don't know WHY ours have to be so big, but they are.
I would also be interested in seeing a cost comparison; the Madrid project cost more, but it's something like thirty times as long, and includes not only bored tunnels but cut'n'cover and (gasp) several viaducts. I'm also wondering how much of that came from the EU.
As to the other stuff, best I can tell from the web in Spanish, in a neat reversal of our present situation, before beginning the project Madrid asked Spain to sign over title and control of the M-30 to the city. It's now the only one in Spain owned by a municipality. This presumably so Madrid could pay for its ambitious project using one of those wacky public-private partnerships, costs split 80/20 between the city and the Dragados group.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-30 (in Spanish)
http://www.knightpiesold.co.uk/projects/…
As for what Madrid's decided to actually DO with all its reclaimed space aboveground, well...I see trees of green...here's a link showing lots of trees and plazas and such - more links at the end too:
http://urbanscraper.blogspot.com/2010/06…
P.S. Simone @20, Publicola broke that story yesterday by reading the comments WSDOT received on its DSEIS. Erica followed up today:
http://publicola.com/2011/01/18/state-fe…
The King5 video showed how lovely that building is, and I'm glad GSA's making sure it will be taken good care of.
The old site about m30 tunnel:
http://urbanscraper.blogspot.com/2010/06 ...
The new site about m30 tunnel:
http://www.urbanscraper.com/2010/06/la-m…
The old site about m30 tunnel:
http://urbanscraper.blogspot.com/2010/06 ...
The new site about m30 tunnel:
http://www.urbanscraper.com/2010/06/la-m…