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I like to keep the accidental discharges restricted to my swimsuit area, thanks.
Can we outlaw cars though? They kill way more people than guns, and it's fucking simple to get a licence to drive.
Someone cut off America's balls.
But sarcasm aside, in a way Goldy is right. Although I doubt any potential confrontation that would come of it would be very productive so...
But I know you're not serious.
Or, in the immortal words of Pogo:
"We have met the enemy, and he is us."
I understand your sentiment here Goldy, but it smacks of emotional knee-jerking: adopting the tactics and attitudes of our ideological adversaries just makes us more like them, which I think they would prefer, if given a choice.
If we want to offer an alternative to right-wing jingoism to the large mass of "independent/undecideds" out there, then it has to be truly distinguishable, and I don't think this sort of thing does that.
(gus, are talking speedos or trunks?)
Sure, it's not a call to violence, it's a call to appear to threaten violence, which easily spirals into violence. One of the appeals of liberalism is that it doesn't have to resort to the same kind of ridiculous tactics that the right does.
If the authoritarian mindset continues to catch on in this country, there will be a yet another violent civil war, fought over essentially the same lines as the last one.
A moral victory is not the same as a victory victory.
Oh Jeezis that's rich! Written like a true naive sheltered white Seattle libtard who doesn't know jack shot about reality!
Newsflash! Blacks make up only about 12% of the USA and only about 8% of Seattle. GUESS WHAT! There are EVEN LESS white hippies in the USA than there are blacks. Also, revolutionary black panther types hate your white ass.
In short, your preposterous black/hippie revolution would be crushed to death in about 2 seconds.
You are both right - we do need to be better than they are. And we are.
However, when you look at human history, it is clear that free ideas, democratic government, and civil rights are luxuries that need to be defended, sometimes with force. The very freedoms that allow us to be liberal were paid for by brave men and women willing to kill and to die for them. Inevitably there will come a time (hopefully not in my lifetime) when another payment is due.
Change those big metal dicks to big rubber dildos, however, and it's a party.
Sure, they can shoot you, but that's just further proof of which side is more afraid...
But you would certainly classify it as such if the exact same idiot statement was written by a teabagger.
By now I should be used to the double standards of the Stranger.
Look at me I'm Goldstein the stereotype of a "progressive" media-Jew! I am such a wimp that I call for threatening displays of potential violence, and then turn right around and claim that I'm not really calling for threatening displays of potential violence, because I am such a stereotypical "progressive" wimpy hypocrite.
If it were not for double standards, "progressives" wouldn't have any standards at all!
Because right wingnuts are so well known for reacting rationally and in a principaled manner, there's no way they'd shriek commie army "they're coming right for us."
I would love to live in a world where guns are not ever needed, but until that time I will take heed of the words of Cyprus Hill:
"When the shit goes down, you better be ready."
but i think a significant proportion of Goldy might be tongue and cheek, so no need to stoop to Teabagger level, right?
You wouldn't dare say that to me if I were armed. So thanks for proving my thesis.
The freaks on the right only respond to fear of violent retaliation. Scare the fucking shit out them !!!
Meet me at the bus stop at 3rd and Pine @ 10:30 pm tonight. Bring whatever weapons you can get your wimpy Jew claws on.
That'd soil some drawers.
Just because we have the guns does not mean we have to fire them. Let the teabaggers take the first shot if they really feel that way. It is worth the sacrifice of one liberal life to not take the first shot!
No, you meet me at the corner of Rainier & Cloverdale.
Then, bonus points, you're helping out the city.
Reduce, reuse, reload.
That's not quite what I'm advocating; for one thing, there's no real evidence the right-wingers would positively respond to that sort of action anyway, unlike some nervous 20-somthing guardsman.
But I'm not saying we should lie down and roll over either. I'm saying we should stand up and face the gun-toting bastards face on - no weapons, but showing no fear of their weapons either.
Then, how does that make us any better, or any different for that matter, from those same "idiots and the mentally ill"? Taking the biblical route of "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" just leaves everybody blind and toothless in the end.
A liberal gun rally would be Fucking Awesome! ..59
In fact, the fuzzy wuzzy liberal set has essentially CREATED right wing talk radio.
Whether we like it or not, if you're going to get somewhere in the near future. Being able to defend against the Capitalist Goon Squads is a necessity.
Better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpnQAYlQ_…
And just today:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/news/ap…
They should be perfectly fine with liberals doing the same thing, shouldn't they?
The Tea Party is Anti-American. The Founding Fathers were almost all elitists who hated the lower classes. America was built to have an elite upper class that held the power and elected to Senate. Only in the modern era are the "commoners" allowed to vote on Senators.
The Conservative history of America is a lie. Welcome to your nightmare.
Is it really so rare for a union working, borderline socialist, seriously progressive, liberally minded individual to own one or more firearms in the US? Because there are clearly a few of us here, but a lot of responses have been to balk at the idea of owning guns.
PS: Goldy: Yes it is.
There is one thing that politicians pay attention to, and that's polls. Walker doesn't give a shit because he's not up in 2012, but already some Wisconsin republicans who are are showing signs of defecting. I'd hate to see something as idiotic as what you are suggesting turn the tide.
The Republicans got voted into power ( D E M O C R A C Y). They're going to make a big, bigoted mess of Wisconsin. Next election cycle, (or in a vote-of-no-confidence election if they have California-type laws), the Democrats can vote the bigots out and clean up the mess.
Never pull a weapon that you are not prepared to fire.
Even if a show of force somehow worked in this situation, it would add to a civil-war mentality, and NO ONE WANTS A CIVIL WAR .
At least you won't be putting more money into the hands of gun manufacturers or doing something that you find repugnant to your own integrity and moral standards. And you'll have something you can actually use later on. [After properly disinfecting them from having been in the same airspace as those virulent sources of contamination!]
STOP WASTING OXYGEN
@75, yes! Whip out the dildos and let's form a real Teabagger Party!
Shy of unconstitutional abridgement of the right to bear arms, how do you think the 'problem' should be solved? Alter the 2nd through, I don't know, Constitutional means? Emigrate to the UK or Canada where gun laws are more restrictive? Anything? Beuller? Beuller? I mean, other than writing snarky half literate columns about how bad the idea of a gun owning populace is, what do want to do about it? Despite the clear impediment of being a liberal, you seem capable of thought sometimes. Occasionally. Once in a blue moon. Well okay, never, but you could try at least.
Cogent thought, it's what might help liberals if they only tried it.
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Try reading something other than idiots like Chomsky for American history. You might learn something that could actually be supported by the real world for once.
Every man who signed the Declaration of Independence forfeit his property and his life if the revolution failed. If they were simply caught by the British any one of them would have been hung immediately, whether the revolution succeeded or not. It was hardly a bet anyone would take at even odds that the revolt of a small largely rural colony against the largest navy and most successful army in the world would succeed. Accordingly, the notion that the men who were behind the Declaration, Articles of Confederation and 1789 Constitution were out for personal gain is just stupid. It is moronic. It is the kind of lie people like you who hate their own country tell themselves all the time. Oddly, you even believe it. You must have been dropped on the head as a child. Often.
You hate America. Great. Bully for you. To do so implies ignorance and stupidity, but you exceed expectations in that regard. Bravissimo.
As with most most things, Johnny Cash as pretty sage advice on the subject.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMMp_llzB…
Naomi Klein describes how there's a pattern of typical endgame activity when the neoliberal nation-rapers truly have a country on the ropes. First, there's the barrage of radical austerity measures that dismantle governments capacity to regulate capital and mitigate misery. Then, as people are disoriented and reeling from the shock, the organizers, leaders, and left-intellectuals start to disappear and show up elsewhere mutilated and dead. People who think it can't happen here are fucking dreaming. Given the current trajectory, I give it a decade or two. What we can do now, short of joining a firing range, is to recognize that these bastards love to bully and that the time for playing nice is over.
Paranoid much? One thing the far left and far right have in common.
Nevertheless, of course tyranny could happen here. Evil thrives, as they saying goes, anywhere good men do nothing. That's one of the primary reasons for loudly and consistently resisting the trend in Europe and the United States towards cradle to grave control over our lives by governments. Freedom can't exist in fascism, it's true. But it also can't exist when men aren't allowed to make choices and be responsible for the repercussions of those choices. Neither the radical right nor the radical left are good solutions for the majority of folks. Most of them want to keep the roads built, the cops on the street, the nation defended and so on. They'd rather the government stay out of their finances and their private lives. And they'd much rather not be held fiscally responsible for the poor choices of fellow citizens.
But as far as 'righties' or 'wingnuts' or whatever the catchphrase Huffington or MSNBC have sent out for the day is, Klein and her ilk are safe. They simply aren't important, or indeed sane, enough to treat that seriously.
And Seattleblues, welcome back! Were you being treated for a stroke? The first half of your post @79 was a completely unsupported ad hominem attack--well done! The second half was completely off topic and off the mark--congratulations! To argue that the Founding Fathers didn't represent a white male elite has to be a real challenge, but since you seem to like arguing against facts, I'm glad to see you take it up. (P.S. Just because they put their property and lives at risk didn't mean they weren't slave-owning elites. Just FYI, you know, a bit of logic. You imply that patriots can't be out for personal gain, then claim that our country is founded on capitalism and personal economic freedom, sorry, my head hurts a bit. There, the bourbon has made it all better.)
And where are the flag links when you need them? For @35 & @46. I don't think calling Goldy a "Jew" really advances the conversation. And if you're so fucking clever about the relationship between religion and guns, then why do you think Alan Gottlieb runs the Second Amendment Foundation (www.saf.org)? Maybe you'd like to run off your racist mouths in a room full of the Israel Defense Forces? I'd love to see that, fuckers.
(As for the gun thing, seriously, I think that a much more forceful and pushy but resolutely non-violent movement is the answer here, not guns. Yes, it's probably true that if progressives--or, let's call them "sane people"--escalated the protest battle with greater numbers and civil disobedience, some of them would get killed by your effing Teabaggers along the way. But things are bad, and at this point there's going to be people killed no matter what. The only thing you non-extremists have is moral authority. Own it as thoroughly as possible.)
Freedom is not something you can buy, only rent.
EVERY generation has a payment due.
If we are wise and diligent (and maybe a little lucky...) the only payment required is a strong military that deters enemies.
If we are lazy and neglectful and don't pay the price the next generation gets a whopper of a bill. (see Pearl Harbor....)
There are actually very few things that the Federal Government has any business doing (educating your kids is not one of them. neither is providing you with health care or retirement income...) but mantaining a STRONG military is one of them.
Clearly, you don't know Jack Diddly. But if you did, maybe he could tell you a bit about World War II history.
Also, "promote the general welfare" is right next to "provide for the common defense" in the Constitution.
just continue to rely on your superior intellect and
numerous graduate degrees and
overweening moral superiority;
after all it has workeed soooo well for you
(and the country) so far...
Mrs Jarvie is right;
"Never pull a weapon that you are not prepared to fire".....
Who fired the first shot at Lexington? Does it matter?
The Right sees Activist Judges who over rule the express will of the people as Tyrants on par with George III.
It would take only the tiniest spark to ignite their patriotic ferver into a raging Bonfire of Liberty.
Death to Tyrants.
Power to the People.
Go ahead, Goldy, Make Our Days.
Do you feel lucky, Punk? Well; Do ya?.....
If a solar storm, or economic collapse due to something else were to hit the fan in the next few years, watch out, they'll be coming after you, your friends, family, community in what they'll consider the end times. Remember, these folks believe they're the chosen ones, the REAL Americans, oh and by the way they believe in torture.
Unfortunately us liberals are for the most part defenseless against these psycho bullies if they go violent, and have been looked down on by them as pussies, pinkos for decades now
If we try to match the armed potential of the other side this country will be far more awash in guns and ammo than it already is, which will mean more gun deaths. On the other hand I don't know of many better options, other than coming up with a movement that merges the right, left and center against the real enemy to this country, the super rich corporate vultures who are fucking us, our children and our future.
Conservatives don't need intelligence -
just continue to rely on your fear and
inability to think for yourself and
blind, self-righteous defense of the people who constantly play you for the idiots you are.
after all, it's worked sooooo well for the economy
(and the whole rest of the world) so far ....
Welcome to the global economy sucka.
Degrees make you competitive - for realz!
Too bad the irrelevant ones like you arm yourselves for attention.