What a whiner I am an avid reader of the Stranger and don't find your exclusion insulting in the least -- I know exactly why you weren't invited. If you don't, well, look in the mirror.
Prediction: the Democratic political establishment spends its time attacking McKenna but doesn't spend time fielding a viable candidate.
Well, maybe I'm being rough on them, it must be a tough job. Perhaps they're busy looking for a party-line dem that hasn't had her/his photo taken with Gregoire?
Why should they let you in? You are a longtime conduit for the Democratic Party in trying to get attack themes (and sometimes below-belt smears) into the mainstream press . . . "I see it here, it comes out there."
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So what you're suggesting is that unless a journalist writes favorable, or at least harmless things about the candidate, he shouldn't expect access? Yeah, that's how our democracy is supposed to work.
Suck it up, Goldy. You're not interested in asking "tough questions." You're interested in trying to make Rob McKenna look as horrible as possible in the eyes of Washingtonians.
If you even *tried* to write fairly about Republicans, I'd feel bad. But you don't. You think we're scum. So stop whining about being denied access. You brought that on yourself, champ.
Suck it up, Goldy. You're not interested in asking "tough questions." You're interested in trying to make Rob McKenna look as horrible as possible in the eyes of Washingtonians.
If you even *tried* to write fairly about Republicans, I'd feel bad. But you don't. You think we're scum. So stop whining about being denied access. You brought that on yourself.
I think what you meant to say was: McKenna isn't interested in being ASKED any "tough questions". S'okay, I fixed it for you there.
And you can rest assured that McKenna & his campaign staff will be doing their damnedest to make anyone who runs against him "look as horrible as possible in the eyes of Washingtonians" - including, no doubt anyone from his own party.
Because, you know, that's what politicians DO to their opponents...
Goldy, I probably agree w/ at least 90% of your political/ideological opinions (I'm not an avowed commie, per se), but dude, you said it yourself, "politics is a tough business." Suck it up, dude. McKenna's peeps know you nor your readers support him. (Please don't try to tell me that's not necessarily true.) The risks of incurring ire at excluding you are low (not many "mainstreamers" are going to shed any tears at the exclusion of someone they see as a partisan reporter). The risks of inclusion only increases the potential the "lamestream" press will catch on to something negative you write and actually do some real reporting. That said, you make me laugh. Good job giving his shit stain PR hack a helping of his own B.S. But please spare us the indignation. You know the score (though maybe not all your readers do....) Meh. Sadly, this "story" is a non-story to me.
@ 9 Perhaps, but your over reliance on terms such as "sloppy blowjobs" and other vulgarities reduces the quality of your writing and potentially alienates readers that would otherwise take your positions on important issues and causes seriously. The same could be said for most of The Stranger's staff writers.
I agree with most of your positions (and most Stranger editorial positions for that matter) and I am no blushing flower but I remember when The Stranger relied on more than swear words, and sarcasm and snark in its reporting. It's a shame that writers that are very earnest in their positions and politics so often come off as petulant teenagers.
Is that a joke? This state's in a mess on a variety of fronts. His whole platform is based off looking at problems and giving clear, coherent solutions in order to fix those problems.
Btw, full disclosure b/c I know I'll be asked: No, I do not work for the McKenna campaign.
Rob McKenna could give 150 interviews to Stranger writers and answer every single question they asked between now and election day, and Inslee would still get the paper's endorsement.
@27: "Rob McKenna could give 150 interviews to Stranger writers and answer every single question they asked between now and election day, and Inslee would still get the paper's endorsement.
So why would he waste his time?"
Who said anything about demanding exclusive interviews?
If he could handle their passive presence, he would. Apparently he's that weak of a candidate.
I stated above that he already HAS given solutions to the state's problems. What I ALSO said is that he doesn't need to talk to a newspaper that loathes him.
it pains me to say this, but rob mckenna is going to be our next governor & this state is going to get it's own 'teabag dystopia'* implemented. my family lives in new jersey & i think the same thing that happened to them is going to happen to us. the democrats controlled that state for decades, but they were horribly corrupt & they didn't serve their constituency, so they lost the support of their base. enter lunatic teabagger, chris christie to destroy what little the democrats hadn't already ruined themselves. that's what we are going to get here. i know i won't be voting for any more democrats & it is because i've finally gotten to a place where i don't see the point. we elect democrats & they implement republican policies. that loses you the support of your base. enter teabag dystopia courtesy of rob mckenna.
My point is that McKenna could give Goldy all the access in the world, and Goldy would still write crap about him and endorse Inslee when the time came.
Typical denial of access to critics in order to promote yellow journalism. Fortunately, direct access isn't needed to discuss McKenna's stinky brand of politics. Let's hope Goldy keeps getting the assignment to cover McKenna.
@34: "My point is that McKenna could give Goldy all the access in the world, and Goldy would still write crap about him and endorse Inslee when the time came."
Irrelevant considering that Goldy isn't asking for a personal interview. He's not even allowed to passively hear firsthand what McKenna has to say.
Why do you keep referring to situations that don't currently exist to defend your position?
Goldy, you're not a journalist. You're a commentator. If you happen to be legally defined as a journalist (does The Stranger legally count as a "news organization"? Does any schmuck who writes words in a well-known place on some regular basis?...), fine, but you put yourself in your stories, and that's _not_ journalism. That's commentary. That you attempt to verify your facts, while admirable, doesn't change that. A journalist reports the facts, on their own, without pushing a particular agenda (at least not explicitly...let's not get into the implicit biases involved in selection of topics...). That's not you. As soon as you explicitly put your agenda in what you write, political campaigns are perfectly within their rights to exclude you from their events.
So yeah, as others have said: suck it up. Cut the indignant bullshit.
While I can totally understand why McKenna would like to avoid The Stranger (duh), he's being petty and irresponsible in doing so.
I'm a voter and a citizen of this state. McKenna wants to become my next governor. He should not be going out of his way to exclude one of my preferred news sources from a public event. Whether he likes it or not, The Stranger probably has a broader reader base than half the other publications/blogs who he allowed into the presser. How am I supposed to take him seriously when he acts childish and vindictive toward a publication he doesn't like?
I find it amazing you would castigate McKenna's "childish" and "vindictive" behavior, but not acknowledge that it's The Stranger's childish and vindictive behavior towards him that has chilled the relationship.
Call me crazy, but MAYBE that's why McKenna doesn't want Goldy and Co. around.
@46: "does The Stranger legally count as a "news organization"?"
Yes.
@48: He was the chosen representative of the Stranger. Quoting people who make ineffective replies to why they don't like Goldy does not make the response any less weak, pathetic, and uncalled for.
As a representative for the local media he has a place to report on local candidates.
@49: Oh, I'm fully aware that The Stranger can at times be childish. It's one of the things I enjoy about The Stranger. But The Stranger is not running for Governor. McKenna is. He's the one that is supposed to be acting like the adult in the room.
I totally get why McKenna doesn't like The Stranger. You're right. The likelihood of The Stranger endorsing him is near zero. But if he plans on becoming the next governor, he owes it to the citizens and the voters to at least try to behave civilly toward the press—all of the press—whether he likes them or not.
Or would you also advocate that it is okay for Gregoire or any other democrat to refuse to speak to Sound Politics in petty revenge because of their right-leaning slant?
@51: "Please stop pretending Goldy is a reporter. He's not. He's a commentator, as Halcyonic pointed out."
I'm not quite sure of the structure of the Stranger, and the full job titles of everyone, but as it's a local operation, I don't believe it has the resources to hire a full "news department". What you're saying would probably make more sense if the writers didn't wear many hats. There's much more flexibility when you have dedicated staff to "report", and that's the duty he was called on to perform there.
It would be just as cowardly and weak if a Democrat running for office did the same to someone merely sitting in on the press conference. We don't even do that to Fox news, and Fox actively lies, rather than giving "opinion".
Most journos blur the line between reporting and commentary, yet only the Stranger is targeted, which shows the extent to which McKenna will go to muzzle critics of his politics. Goldy is perfectly justified in bringing the issue to the fore as it is indicative of McKenna's ability to deal with opposing points of views.
It was a private event. He can protect your rights as a journalist while telling you to fuck off. Having The Stranger there would have gotten him nothing. It's bad press for people who won't vote for him either way.
a laughable assertion. how does that billion dollar tax cut for the wealthy get new jersey's financial house in order? he is a lunatic far right winger, committed to pursuing policies that enrich the rich further & gut the state of infrastructure & quite frankly, a future.
Maybe he didn't invite you b/c you title blog posts "Rob McKenna doesn't want your vote".
Goldy, you're as much a journalist as Oreilly, Stewart or Maher.
McKenna is in his rights but it makes him look weak....at least to me. But now he's running.
I don't mind reporters being jerks so much but if a politician wants respect; dealing with a hostile press (the only press worth a damn 90% of the time) is pretty basic. Preferably with some degree of grace.
As an aside it's worth listening to press interviews in Canada and UK from time to time. It's refreshing to hear someone think about the question that was asked and even argue on that very question.
Goldy, McKenna turns out to have connections to the Washington Policy Network, which is the Washington affiliate of the radical-right State Policy Network that's been making so much trouble in places like Wisconsin and Ohio. Might, I croak, be worthy of a bit more investigation.
The Stranger "journalists" always acts like bratty retarded children, you included Goldstein, so it certainly isn't a big shock that some adults treated you like a retarded child.
The fact that you are surprised about this proves beyond all doubt that you are sort of an idiot.
@55: "...What you're saying would probably make more sense if the writers didn't wear many hats. There's much more flexibility when you have dedicated staff to "report", and that's the duty he was called on to perform there."
Umm, actually, no. You don't get to do that. One of the major criticisms actual journalists made of Fox News was that they had Cavuto simultaneously anchoring an ostensibly news show and then also hosting a show where he was a commentator. Doing so blurs the line between when you're reporting news and when you're commenting, and it imbues the commentary with the authority of the factual reporting. So, in fact, they ethically have to be separate jobs if you're serious about being a news reporter. If they're not, you're not a reporter. You're a commentator. And political campaigns get to treat you as such. And you don't get to be morally indignant when they do. You're opposition, you're writing invectives about them, and they can exclude you if they damn well please.
It’s pretty easy to bait this kind of tactic away.
Just call McKenna and his staffers out for the chicken-shits that they obviously are.
After all, what are they afraid of?
David Goldstein???
The Stranger?????
The Stranger takes ads for bondage massage and pet psychics. Need I say more?
Goldy's great. But he doesn’t have secret political superpowers. He aint Kryptonite. He’s just a writer. Are McKenna and his staff so squeamish and politically insecure that they are afraid of journalists? Journalists are pussies. If you can’t stand up to a fucking journalist, how in the hell do you expect to stand up to Teamsters? Boeing? Weyerhauser? If you can’t stand up to a pussy journalist like Goldy, how do you expect to face down bomb-throwing Stalinist Democrats in the legislature?
McKenna simply can’t afford to be labeled a wimp. No Republican can. The angry white males that they depend upon for votes will not stand for it.
This is ridiculous. What's the point of press if you can't stand up to your toughest critic? This just shows that people want to further themselves into vanilla-coated articles, forever in bliss by ignorance.
To Adam Faber's credit, I am impressed that he knew the Stranger cover of Skerrit.
Well, maybe I'm being rough on them, it must be a tough job. Perhaps they're busy looking for a party-line dem that hasn't had her/his photo taken with Gregoire?
Actually, getting paid by a news organization meets the definition under McKenna's own ballyhooed reporter shield law. I've added a link.
Why should they let you in? You are a longtime conduit for the Democratic Party in trying to get attack themes (and sometimes below-belt smears) into the mainstream press . . . "I see it here, it comes out there."
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I am done with every incumbent this state has to offer.
So what you're suggesting is that unless a journalist writes favorable, or at least harmless things about the candidate, he shouldn't expect access? Yeah, that's how our democracy is supposed to work.
If you even *tried* to write fairly about Republicans, I'd feel bad. But you don't. You think we're scum. So stop whining about being denied access. You brought that on yourself, champ.
If you even *tried* to write fairly about Republicans, I'd feel bad. But you don't. You think we're scum. So stop whining about being denied access. You brought that on yourself.
I think what you meant to say was: McKenna isn't interested in being ASKED any "tough questions". S'okay, I fixed it for you there.
And you can rest assured that McKenna & his campaign staff will be doing their damnedest to make anyone who runs against him "look as horrible as possible in the eyes of Washingtonians" - including, no doubt anyone from his own party.
Because, you know, that's what politicians DO to their opponents...
I agree with most of your positions (and most Stranger editorial positions for that matter) and I am no blushing flower but I remember when The Stranger relied on more than swear words, and sarcasm and snark in its reporting. It's a shame that writers that are very earnest in their positions and politics so often come off as petulant teenagers.
What on earth?
Is that a joke? This state's in a mess on a variety of fronts. His whole platform is based off looking at problems and giving clear, coherent solutions in order to fix those problems.
Btw, full disclosure b/c I know I'll be asked: No, I do not work for the McKenna campaign.
The only way he can win is to discourage and supress all but the Taliban votes.
I sincerely doubt he is able to find "clear, coherent solutions" to any problem if he can't even handle The Stranger's presence at his pressers.
You're right on. And your critique is why it's a joke that Goldy's trying to call himself a "professional journalist."
I mean, come on Goldy. You can't compare yourself with Robert Mak, Jim Brunner, Chris Grygiel, Andrew Garber, etc. etc. etc.
He can handle it. He just doesn't need to. Get that?
So why would he waste his time?
... yup, sounds like the Taliban.
So why would he waste his time?"
Who said anything about demanding exclusive interviews?
If he could handle their passive presence, he would. Apparently he's that weak of a candidate.
Way to read, champ.
I stated above that he already HAS given solutions to the state's problems. What I ALSO said is that he doesn't need to talk to a newspaper that loathes him.
*per Goldy
My point is that McKenna could give Goldy all the access in the world, and Goldy would still write crap about him and endorse Inslee when the time came.
Funny you would call Gov. Christie a "lunatic teabagger." A lot of people on the Right don't think he's a Conservative at all...
those people must not live in new jersey, because he is following the hardest of hard right lines.
He's a Republican. Not a radical, not a fanatic, not a "lunatic teabagger."
He's trying to bring that state out of fiscal ruin, and is doing a darn good job.
Irrelevant considering that Goldy isn't asking for a personal interview. He's not even allowed to passively hear firsthand what McKenna has to say.
Why do you keep referring to situations that don't currently exist to defend your position?
What a terrible man he must be.
Just watching NBA finals commercial for "Think Before You Speak" came on. Thought you'd be interested:
http://www.thinkb4youspeak.com/
So yeah, as others have said: suck it up. Cut the indignant bullshit.
I'm a voter and a citizen of this state. McKenna wants to become my next governor. He should not be going out of his way to exclude one of my preferred news sources from a public event. Whether he likes it or not, The Stranger probably has a broader reader base than half the other publications/blogs who he allowed into the presser. How am I supposed to take him seriously when he acts childish and vindictive toward a publication he doesn't like?
+1
I find it amazing you would castigate McKenna's "childish" and "vindictive" behavior, but not acknowledge that it's The Stranger's childish and vindictive behavior towards him that has chilled the relationship.
Call me crazy, but MAYBE that's why McKenna doesn't want Goldy and Co. around.
Yes.
@48: He was the chosen representative of the Stranger. Quoting people who make ineffective replies to why they don't like Goldy does not make the response any less weak, pathetic, and uncalled for.
As a representative for the local media he has a place to report on local candidates.
Please stop pretending Goldy is a reporter. He's not. He's a commentator, as Halcyonic pointed out.
I totally get why McKenna doesn't like The Stranger. You're right. The likelihood of The Stranger endorsing him is near zero. But if he plans on becoming the next governor, he owes it to the citizens and the voters to at least try to behave civilly toward the press—all of the press—whether he likes them or not.
Or would you also advocate that it is okay for Gregoire or any other democrat to refuse to speak to Sound Politics in petty revenge because of their right-leaning slant?
I'm not quite sure of the structure of the Stranger, and the full job titles of everyone, but as it's a local operation, I don't believe it has the resources to hire a full "news department". What you're saying would probably make more sense if the writers didn't wear many hats. There's much more flexibility when you have dedicated staff to "report", and that's the duty he was called on to perform there.
It would be just as cowardly and weak if a Democrat running for office did the same to someone merely sitting in on the press conference. We don't even do that to Fox news, and Fox actively lies, rather than giving "opinion".
a laughable assertion. how does that billion dollar tax cut for the wealthy get new jersey's financial house in order? he is a lunatic far right winger, committed to pursuing policies that enrich the rich further & gut the state of infrastructure & quite frankly, a future.
Does this mean anything to anyone who's not a republican manchild?
And no, Dem-friendly media don't get invited to these closed door meetings either.
Goldy, don't take it personally, Smith was room mates with Dunn and McKenna back in their dayz at the UW.
Goldy, you're as much a journalist as Oreilly, Stewart or Maher.
I don't mind reporters being jerks so much but if a politician wants respect; dealing with a hostile press (the only press worth a damn 90% of the time) is pretty basic. Preferably with some degree of grace.
As an aside it's worth listening to press interviews in Canada and UK from time to time. It's refreshing to hear someone think about the question that was asked and even argue on that very question.
The fact that you are surprised about this proves beyond all doubt that you are sort of an idiot.
yes, inslee will get the stranger's endorsement. and mckenna will get the blethen times'. seems less than even.
And the partisan hacks are all invited.
Umm, actually, no. You don't get to do that. One of the major criticisms actual journalists made of Fox News was that they had Cavuto simultaneously anchoring an ostensibly news show and then also hosting a show where he was a commentator. Doing so blurs the line between when you're reporting news and when you're commenting, and it imbues the commentary with the authority of the factual reporting. So, in fact, they ethically have to be separate jobs if you're serious about being a news reporter. If they're not, you're not a reporter. You're a commentator. And political campaigns get to treat you as such. And you don't get to be morally indignant when they do. You're opposition, you're writing invectives about them, and they can exclude you if they damn well please.
Just call McKenna and his staffers out for the chicken-shits that they obviously are.
After all, what are they afraid of?
David Goldstein???
The Stranger?????
The Stranger takes ads for bondage massage and pet psychics. Need I say more?
Goldy's great. But he doesn’t have secret political superpowers. He aint Kryptonite. He’s just a writer. Are McKenna and his staff so squeamish and politically insecure that they are afraid of journalists? Journalists are pussies. If you can’t stand up to a fucking journalist, how in the hell do you expect to stand up to Teamsters? Boeing? Weyerhauser? If you can’t stand up to a pussy journalist like Goldy, how do you expect to face down bomb-throwing Stalinist Democrats in the legislature?
McKenna simply can’t afford to be labeled a wimp. No Republican can. The angry white males that they depend upon for votes will not stand for it.