According to SPD data, today's four killings (so far) bring Seattle's year-to-date handgun homicide total to 20.
By this time last year, there had only been three.
That is an increase of over 650%.
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Seriously, right? Instead of the trattoria down in Brooklyn, here in Seattle mobs of red rimmed bicyclists schedule executions in coffee houses.
"This is for the bad SIFF review..bang..bang!"
"The house that you and your 5 buddies from college live is dead to me...Dead To Me!"
You can't expect rare events to be evenly distributed. In 2011, for the same period of the year, we had a homicide rate of .02 a day. For the rest of 2011, the rate was .08 a day. That works out to .055 over the course of the year. Lets say that the true rate is somewhere around there, .06. So far this year we've had a rate of .127. However, we expect regression to the mean, and to have the future rate be about our average of .06. That means we would expect there to be around 13 more homicides for the rest of the year. for a total of 32. It may seem like a lot, but that less than a 2% change and not really enough to be statistically significant.
Fuck off Bailo. You are a terrible person.
Guns make it infinitely easier to kill someone when you're angry. No cool down period, no time for reflection. Takes less than a second to pull a trigger.
So fuck your knife analogy (unless you're attacking an unconscious person, it's really hard to stab someone who's trying to defend themselves) fuck your car analogy (when you can ride a bullet to work you can use it). Fuck your 'if someone wants to kill someone they'll do it' (see: guns make it easier to kill people). Fuck your racist hillbilly NRA. Fuck the lawmakers who put loopholes in the gun control laws to let murderers and psychopaths pick up any weapon they want. Fuck your misreading of the constitution. Fuck your lack of historical understanding. Fuck you for thinking YOU matter more than the asshole standing on the street who catches YOUR fucking bullet because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Fuck you for making these situations so depressingly common in this country.
Fuck your fear. Fuck your cowardice. Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, and literally every person like you. Your pathetic gun obsession makes this a worse country to be in.
RIP, it was truly good to know ya.
The problem is not just a matter of gun laws, because the gun laws have been the same, including during safer times.
To my mind, using news of any violent crime as an occasion for spewing off-topic (ignorant, racist) vitriol is an indication that you're a garden-variety internet asshole. But doing it when the violent crime in question happened in the local community and many people in the forum knew the victims...That really takes a special kind of asshole. In fact, it suggests a shocking lack of any normal level of human empathy.
Being that a lurk around here enough to be familiar with the antics of the anonymous troll, I'm not all that surprised.... I guess I was just making the point that that sort of trolling is particularly unacceptable, given the circumstances.
But truly, this is awful.
None that conservatives honor. They use the shock doctrine to grab power, avoid accountability, and dodge reform.
Our police force is arguably a conservative organization. I don't discount the tragedy and pain for the families involved today one bit. I merely point out that there can be an agenda in the messaging around these things.
What I will admit to discounting is the need of some people in these comments to appropriate the victimhood of other people...and get suckered in the process. Were you not alive for the past 10 years? You can feel for other people and still ask questions. An inability to do so is not the moral high ground, it's an intellectual deficiency.
None of these people have offered a convincing argument how SPDs Twitter post was particularly effective at keeping anyone safe, though they bleat on about me being an asshole. The closest we've gotten is @85, but @85 attributes a straw man argument to me.
To @85, I've not said that police forces are useless. Quite the contrary, I want it to be useful while obeying the law in the performance of its duties. Further, yes, actually police can be expected to go around with a bullhorn telling people to stay indoors. It's pretty routine stuff when someone is loose in a specific area, even if their exact location is not known. And saying that does not mean that I'm not sorry that you are being inconvenienced...even threatened...today, or that I am not happy you are safe.
@79 has suggested that friends called friends in the area. That's great, but not a conclusive argument that the call actually did anything more than what the police in the area already could do. Guess what. The police in the area had already locked down Roosevelt. The parents with children there weren't going to get anywhere near if they tried. Because the police there were actually doing their job. Am I full of shit? Or are you full of stupid? Being belligerent while being wrong doesn't make you right. Take your outrage and shove it.
It's pretty obviously the local media is loving the 'shooting rampage' headline. (It helps that white people are getting shot in these incidents, rather than blacks. That's not hyperbole. Again, see Westneat's column on what other shooting stories have happened lately and not made headlines.) Ditto for the SPD who will find it useful. Yes, we are having a blip of shootings (which would probably be less likely to be a problem in the first place if we had stricter gun control laws), but @103 makes a good point about statistics. The blip is horrible and happening, but this statistical anomaly doesn't mean we are in the midst of a persistent trend. Could be. But could just as easily not be. None of us know. Though the people prone to hysteria will pretend like they do.
Oh, and one way it could become an established trend is when sickos see headlines and want the same attention. So good job hysterics. By eating up the news and appropriating other people's pain, you are probably making it more likely to happen again. Bravo. But hey, if it makes you feel better to shout me down, keep going.
@127: The shitty economy persisting for so many years has created an army of ever-more desperate and anxious people. The fuckwit fringe of these will lash out, and if guns are ubiquitous like water, it will be with deadly effect.
So sad for the victims, their families & friends.
I guess you didn't read John Trouble Williams long criminal history including domestic assault, assault with a weapon etc. etc. etc.
But go ahead, sh*t on the SPD, but next time you're with your hipster homeys in a cafe and one of your friends comes in and shoots you, call an anarchist for help.
It's not unlike a baseball player who hits around .300 every year. At some point in the season that hitter will have a series where he'll go 10 for 15 or something, or he'll go on a 25-game hitting streak or whatever. At the end of the year, though, his batting average is still around .300.
Anyway, the point is not to be nitpicky on the numbers but to say that there really isn't a discussion to be had about "the murder rate spiking" because there isn't yet an evidence of an increase in the rate over time, just a collection of events very close together.
You're blaming the 99%?
You'll want to check your math on this one. Or better yet use an online calculator.
(And yes, I realize this is trivial under the circumstances but figured you'd want to get your facts in order.)
Officer 1: "Are you at the precinct?" Officer 2: "No, we're at happy hour."
Also, yes they will hold a press conference (at 5pm) to let everyone know what happened. They're doing their jobs and informing the public. They don't deserve anything special, but they at lease deserve to not have cynical lazy people pretend to know how to do police work.
I'm annoyed at SPD right now too, but they're actually doing their jobs. They found the shooter in a geographically large city.
Let's lose the cynicism on this right now. People died. Remember that. This is horrible.
Nobody frisks me sitting in the sun at the park, going to the grocery store or on my way out of the dentist. People skulking around with a little "extra Y" (if you know what I mean), gang bangers and disrespectful teenagers all can use a little frisking -- and that doesn't mean it's a police state. And as far as cops catching someone in the midst of a crime, "excessive force" is just a canard. If you're prepared to commit a crime, it's a contract with the universe, as far as I'm concerned, to expect the jackboot, the cranky homeowner with the double-barrel, etc.
These shootings are by gangs, creepy assholes and thieves. They're not the act of some seemingly normal individual who decided to pop someone. You keep your eye on the cross-eyed fuckers with the runny noses -- you keep massacres from happening.
That said, they should have just tased the woodcarver -- that was a dumb decision. Just sayin'.
That said, Clark continued, "We are frustrated by the easy access to firearms and people resorting to the use of firearms."
As a society, we want access to firearms and as long as that's what we want, numerous people, unfortunately, are going to pay the price for that access every year.
This one is so bad even USA Today is reporting it.
I'm deeply troubled by the description of the latest events (apparent suicide as police closed in). Suspect and SWAT officers in visual contact, suspect presumably holding a gun and has the time and space to kneel in the middle of the street and shoot himself in the head?
I can understand law enforcement considering the threat to passersby, but what about the possibility that they had a high level of confidence that the man with the gun was the prime suspect in the attacks earlier today, and gave him the leeway to take himself out? I don't see that as justice done, though it saves interrogation and court time and incarceration expense, and maybe comforts some that he's no longer any kind of threat.
If I had my druthers, I'd see him winged and captured, a long painful recuperation, the motive(s) dragged out of his festering soul, a jury trial and some kind of closure for survivors, and a presumably very long prison sentence.
My point is, do the police have any decision points to let a strong suspect dispatch himself vs. an admittedly risky attempt to capture him? I don't think that's an unfair question, though I realize of course that they have people who love them and want them home safe.
Again, condolences to all affected.
Rob, my idea: put convicted scumbag murderers in cells with thick glass walls. On those walls, looking in at them, would be photos of the people they murdered.
O, how all the racists here are humanizing these events...because these killers have names, and dress like the typical Seattlite who posts here.
Yet if this had involved the 23rd Street Jokers or other Othello sited gangs, you'd be calling for their heads, or dehumanizing them.
Face it -- just having the woolen cap or a Biblical name given to you by hippie parents or white skin doesn't make you any less of an animal, or killer than the other people you label and rant on each and every day here.
I believe that we should support and respect our police officers, but we still have to hold people accountable for clearly excessive use of force.
Because anyone who disagrees with your opinions are "fuckwad CHUDs?"
To those of you who know the victims, my deepest condolensces. This is a true tragedy.
There are 2 out of 3 of those things in place already. And yes, the "gun show loophole" sucks.
I'm surprised I'm the first to think of this, there is literally no downside.
Define "transporting." If you're walking around with a gun, you need to have a CPL. You might be able to get away with having it locked, in a case, to and from your vehicle without a permit. But not just "walking around," no.
So once your demands are met, you want to move the goalposts? It's quickly becoming clear that you're unwilling to be satisfied.
Stranger reporters, wanna follow up on those?
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1 Stawicki, Ian
Plaintiff Kittitas Superior Ct 97-2-00208-0 Available 06-03-1997
2 Stawicki, Ian L
Plaintiff Lower Kittitas Dist C97-00201 04-25-1997
3 Stawicki, Ian Lee
Defendant Seattle Municipal Ct 301103 01-21-1997
4 Stawicki, Ian Lee
Defendant Seattle Municipal Ct 893100796 11-06-1989
5 Stawicki, Ian Lee
Defendant Seattle Municipal Ct 519680 03-10-2008
6 Stawicki, Ian Lee
Defendant King County District 208008039 02-28-2008
7 Stawicki, Ian Lee
Defendant Lower Kittitas Dist 8742 03-16-2010