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Generally I like to make popcorn when I listen to that moron.
Also, from now on, I'm going to list/write-in my race as: "Dissapointenarian." Because if race is a social construct, that means it can be anything anyone wishes to imagine up right on the spot.
I think that also means I qualify for minority status, since as far as I know, I'm the only member of my race.
However, Pete Stark, defeated in CA-15 in the last Federal election by fellow Democrat Eric Swalwell, was an atheist. He served in the House from 1973 to 2013, but didn't "come out" as an atheist until 2007.
After all, why should he be free from religion?
'Religion' in Perry's lexicon is just a synonym for prostestantism. Anything else is a cult or something.
To be fair, not all protestants are in cannibalistic cults. It's been a long time since my conformation classes, but I believe the church would need to believe in the doctrines of transubstantiation or real presence for that to be the case.
Also from my experience with Southern Baptists and Evangelicals from the South (where I grew up), the Eucharist isn't really a big thing for them.
That's because there really is no anti-christmas thing. It's all a manufactured controversy. Some people got mad because certain places said happy holidays instead of merry christmas and then went on Fox news to bitch and moan.
The Puritans were not seeking freedom from religion. They wanted to impose their religion on everyone else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzHcvuU_C…
Didn't get a whole lot from Civics classes there, did you Chief?
But then, nobody ever lost money betting on the abysmal ignorance of lefties.
Sure, except one of the first things they started doing, practically before their feet had even hit solid ground, was to proselytize to the indigenous people of the area in an attempt to convert them to their particular form of Puritan Protestantism, as was charged them in the terms of the charter granted to them by King James I in 1620:
"whereby our said People, Inhabitants there, may be soe religiously, peaceablie, and civilly governed, as their good Life and orderlie Conversacon, maye wynn and incite the Natives of Country, to the KnowIedg and Obedience of the onlie true God and Saulor of Mankinde, and the Christian Fayth, which in our Royall Intencon, and the Adventurers free Profession, is the principall Ende of this Plantacion."
In short, while other considerations may have taken on more practical importance, the STATED GOAL of the Massachusetts Colony was to CONVERT THE NATIVES TO CHRISTIANITY. By Royal decree, it wasn't simply a matter of Puritans being free to practice their own form of Christianity "without interference from a state-sanctioned religion", but rather to actively impose that religious belief on every native population with which they came into contact.
And the progeny of these European Protestants have kept pursuing that goal for all of the nearly 400 years they've been on the continent.
I'm not sure exactly what kind of legislative theater this is, or what Perry is up to, but it's disgusting, proto-fascist tactics for sure.
Whether this means we have constant and vigorous public debate on religious topics in the public sphere or a religious muffling in the interest of keeping religious expression (or debate) in the private sphere is an interesting conversation, but I think it does begin, not with insulting or ostracizing Christianity, but asking Christians to recognize that they've enjoyed a position of default privilege in the public sphere that they may have to relinquish, in part, to accommodate the imminent pluralism that the Constitution advocates (even if its architects had not necessarily foreseen it).
Just as I've never lost money betting on your complete and utter ignorance of just about EVERYTHING on which YOU comment (cit ref @26 for yet another example).
Thank God for loafers! Before you began wearing them (with the cool stickers for telling right from left too!) it must have taken you hours to tie your shoes. I'd call you a moron if it wouldn't insult the intelligence of morons....
As for Jews, unless you're an Ethiopian, a convert, or some very rare Asian, you're pretty damned white (Protestant cultural imperialism notwithstanding).
It was NEVER a matter of that. Ever.
The Puritans got pissed that they couldn't impose their particular brand of rabid Calvinism on the Anglican church, and they were "persecuted" for trying (read: the Anglicans told them to get the fuck out). So, they came here so they could set up their own state-sanctioned and state-imposed religion. Anyone who claims otherwise is a history revisionist dipshit.
I agree with your * "that race is a social construct..." However, Jews, gentiles and any combnation there of for that matter can "declare" an identity if one wishs to. "White" whatever that connotes (salient features or not) may predominate in this country. But, people can choose whatever (_____ fill in the blank) they want to even if it is minority and don't necessarily have the salient features to support that. To be sure, sometimes that can be dishonest. On the other hand, sometimes it's genuine just not apparent.
Recall Pres. Obama selected just "black" on his 2010 Census Form even though his mother is white (he could have selected "mixed" or added "white" as well). It's a bit tricky and some have anguished over it. I believe the same of Jews (although "Jewish" isn't a selection on the Census Form).
BTW, I don't believe "one of the things that has always made Jews so scary is our ability to pass.". First of all, Jews aren't scary. They are human, like me. We belong to same club, humanity. If we're scared of humanity (each other or the "other", we're in trouble.
They didn't lynch them illegally. They tried them in a legal court of law. And they were legally executed. For not being the right kind of christian.
You bet your ass they were out to force their religion on others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_mart…
Nope. Perry is "trying to legislate" the religious tolerance lefty loonies preach but are incapable of practicing.
You DO realize that history isn't isolated snapshots showing what you want to see, right? Puritans didn't even make up the only faith in colonial America, never mind the only group of immigrants.
Sorry. Keep forgetting. Lefty equals willfully ignorant or very stupid.
Then again, no one's complaining about Christmas break [xmas] or Spring Break [passover/holy week] are they?
Thanks so much for wasting yet more public money on idiotic, transparently pandering distractions that will never survive Federal court, you fucking snake. I hope you die.
Okay. I have to stop. Normally I have very healthy blood pressure but my doctor has ordered me not to think about Texas politics for more than five minutes at a time.
*pant pant wheeze*
I think I need to go lie down.
As I pointed out @28, what's problematic is the level of material support Christian messages receive via public institutions over and above what is received by other faiths.
"Anyone who claims otherwise is a history revisionist dipshit."
Sums him up quite succinctly. Or as he himself alludes: SB equals willfully ignorant AND very stupid.
@36:
Try putting up a Yule or Soyal or Shabe Yaldฤ or Saturnalia display next to Gov. Perry's Christmas tree and see how "tolerant" he and his ilk are.
@43: You made me laugh and laugh!
raindrop, SB, in both of you have come on here to insult & belittle other commenters. Great, you have beliefs, but those beliefs seem to be giving you the arrogance and superiority to yell at others. I'm sure it feels great from your perspective, but just to let you know: everyone else looking at how you act, your religion looks like crack addiction. I'm sure it makes you feel great, but from everyone else, it makes you incredibly ugly, hateful & undesirable.
Also, it's not true that there are no "out" atheists in Congress. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Stark