We are on the tipping point of losing our vibrant downtown.
The second front is tough-minded confrontation of disorderly behavior. We need to empower and support our police to look the perpetrators in the eyes and say, “No more. This is not the way we do things in Seattle.”
Our police need to be able to step out from under the politicized scrutiny that makes them hesitant to fix the first broken window.
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Jesus. That neighborhood in the 80's probably would have given him a coronary.
He's essentially been living in a gated community for nearly two decades, but citing the “Broken Windows” article makes it sound as if he's been living a bomb shelter.
A few years ago, SPU had a notorious incident where their student LGBT group was kicked off campus. Eaton - then university president - hemmed & hawed & spewed toxic biblical nonsense to try to justify his position. Students didn't buy it & forced Eaton & his evangeical administration cohorts to relent.
No wonder fewer & fewer young people are falling for the biblical babushka of bullshit.
Not that this guy isn't a total douche.
He's very typical of the WASP Higher Educational system. I'm shocked he didn't complain that too many people wear jeans while shopping...seriously, I'm shocked he didn't mention that.
The thing that fascinates me is that our American Revolution got rid of the aristocracy, but it didn't get rid of aristocratic thinking. We have the same problem today, a few people w/ most of the money and no common sense or decency.
He's sharp enough to notice the explosion of interesting stuff to do, places to go downtown since he moved to Second Ave. But downtown activity of ALL KINDS has increased, both the yuppie fun stuff and the stuff that happens when you have a high concentration of unemployed. He thinks the unemployed he sees more of are threatening to keep him from making his ever-more-frequent strolls to the revitalized symphony. He wants to have his skyline-view cake and eat it too. Age gracefully, you coot.
Tipping point my sweet bippy.
The solution to the problem of TEENS is to allow police to operate with no oversight. Because too much police oversight is the real problem in Seattle.
So, this guy does everything you have been telling people to do (move to a dense urban core in The City) and he finds that he doesn't like it, and then you blame him. You are the same totalitarians who put a train on the ground in people's neighborhood and blame them for getting run over because it slows down those rushing to their apodments.
Many critics state that there are factors, other than physical disorder, that more significantly influence crime rate
So they are not disputing it, but they think they have other answers.
collective efficacy, “defined as cohesion among residents combined with shared expectations for the social control of public space,”
Right, like this guy doesn't want garbage on the streets...or broken windows. Whereas the usual vagabonds do.
This policy targeted people in areas with a significant amount of physical disorder and there appeared to be a causal relationship between the adoption of the aggressive policy and the decrease in crime rate.
Sridhar, however, discusses other trends (such as New York City's economic boom in the late 1990s) that created a "perfect storm"—that they all contributed to the decrease of crime rate much more significantly than the application of the zero tolerance policy.
Oh good Lord...my parents had 3 cars stolen from outside their home in Queens during the so-called "economic boom times". And that was after the windows started breaking!
Though, a larger concern lingers in terms of whether the broken windows theory is virtually an accepted means of explaining social unrest.
It has nothing to do with "social unrest". It simply says that if there is a perception that you can get away with things, then people with try those things. It's like when crooks know that there is no burglar alarm versus a neighborhood that is patrolled day and night.
In downtown you may not consider drug dealing and aggressive mentally unstable people an issue, but the rest of this town that isn't crazy or buying those drugs consider it a real issue that isn't being dealt with. Sure, the stats on homicides look good compared to Chicago's, but we can do better. Not just for ourselves, but for the people who are wandering around off their meds threatening people (or smashing random people's skulls with hammers, or stabbing teachers in the neck after a Sounders game, or shooting bus drivers). Downtown can be a lot safer than it is.
First, what is the first thing that the man in charge of a large religious organization says we need? More religious organizations! Shocker.
Second, the broken window theory? Really? So he wants the SPD to model itself after the NYPD? Let's start "randomly" frisking all the black people downtown! That'll really help us develop as a cultural Mecca..
And third, who does he expect to pay for all this? If he wants to donate a new flower pot to put in front of Macy's, I'm sure the city would allow a plaque.
Once I was downtown, and I spotted Dan Savage a half block away. For a few seconds all of downtown felt rainbow magical to me.
The rest of you appear to be twenty-two and callowly kneejerk-defending the only city you've ever seen.
That being said, you're growing. This too will grow. So @18 makes some good points at the end. If you're smart, you'll start now to set the vision for how you want to handle the issues and how you want to handle people with problems before you have to do it. I wish that had happened better here.
Dominic, you really want to call the former president of a major university an "uniformed blowhard?"
You, with your high-school diploma, is calling someone who probably has an IQ much, much higher than you, an "uniformed blowhard?"
I sense intellectual jealousy in your post.
I sense frog urine in your post. Sad.
Help Dom reach his goal. For the kids....
I used to live in a nearby town where this guy would feel right at home, living a life uneffected by the differences the world brings. How boring, and depressing. When my 1st child was on the way my wife and I knew we had to get the hell out of there and move to civilization, dirty, varied, clean, old, new, angelic, devilish, civilization. I love Seattle, LOVE Seattle, and I can't imagine living anywhere else.
If you don't like where you live, and you have the means, just move, dude. 3 people will be coming to take your place.
Great argument made by Dominic Holden on how sometimes Seattle feels unsafe and that we don't have the money to address these problems. Why can't this be the response to right wingers who ran about crime in Seattle? Why can't The Stranger start a dialogue other than "Fuck you right winger, move to the eastside, we don't have a drug/crime issue, fuck you".
And if you want to insult my IQ level go ahead. The very last time I had to take an IQ test and take it seriously (sort of) resulted in me having to take 3 different ones (with the same results) before I simply decided to make mistakes and get a score (161) that they would accept. IQ scores are massively over-rated and mostly meaningless. And that is from a guy who can (when motivated) routinely score higher than the any IQ test can accurately measure.
Spot on. Get out of our city if you don't think exactly like we do. It shows up in these pages over and over. And here's the answer to j2patter's question: Stranger staffers (especially Dominic) can't bear the idea that people they disagree with most of the time might have a point now and then, even if the Stranger has made similar points in the past.
It's called bullshitting to avoid consensus, and it's a specious, Tea Party tactic. So Eaton becomes a rich fuck who's "disgusted by the sight" of the poor (though he said nothing of the kind) and he wants to (in Dom's smeary, cherry-picked paraphrase) ' "reclaim our city" from THOSE PEOPLE' though that's not what Eaton said, either.
So again, bullshit. And so very, very easy to hide in the cloud of confirmation bias. You know what would take some guts? How about Dom goes and interviews the guy? Awkward, sure. Uncomfortable, no doubt. And maybe Eaton would refuse - and then Dom could say so. But at least he couldn't be accused of throwing bombs from a secure location and patting himself on the back, which is all he's doing right now.
BTW, #35, I, too, have known a number of university presidents and, with the exceptions of James Conant (Harvard) and George Beadle (U of Chicago), they were all hard-core long-term alcoholics.
Nonsense. Even Seattle in the 70's, when the economy tanked, was - God, I hate the word - "vibrant" (if you ask me, it was a lot more vibrant back then, but that's another story.)
I do feel we have too much concentration of social services downtown, but my objection is much more for the clients of those agencies, who oftentimes have to travel in from the outlying districts to receive the services, and the tendency of a lot of those agencies to push the troublemakers out on the street rather than deal effectively with them (although that's not always the agencies fault)
But our downtown is in a lovely natural setting. It's now getting residents, and is becoming a neighborhood with clout. It's not going anywhere.
You provide no actual evidence that the BWT is actually debunked (because it's not- it's controversial, sure, but not debunked. There IS a difference) and also NO evidence to support your claims of what an awesome city Seattle is (job development, unemployment rate, etc.). I can make up facts too- everyone is Seattle has a pony, no one uses heroin and upon moving to Seattle, people begin shitting rainbows. See? Easy. Provide evidence or it's not true; you should know that.
Anyone with an ounce of realism knows that Seattle has a LOT of problems that no one is addressing. The cost of living is outrageous (http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/cit…) compared to income [women are still making substantially less, despite Seattle's claim of being progressive, as well as being incredibly white] and the homeless population is ridiculous. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic…) Not to mention the addiction rate! (http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2…) These ARE real issues that need to be addresses and ignoring them is just plain stupid.
Note to others: stop telling people who don't agree with you to "get out of my city." It's childish and, frankly, the mark of a small minded person who simply cannot think of a better argument. I mean, I get it- Seattle is ALL about homogeny. But instead of getting needlessly defensive, perhaps it would be much more productive to LISTEN to what others have to say. Seattle is FAR from perfect. It's about time people realized it. How else will the problems be fixed? Just because it's "better than it was in the 70's" doesn't mean that's good enough.
Sure, religious orgs can play a role in this. I don't like that a meal often comes with a sermon, but if he really wants these people off the street, then he should be donating to and volunteering with organizations that provide meals, shelter, and other help, so that "these people" have something better to do than loiter, and don't need to panhandle to eat. And he should be lobbying for better mental health services, since, many times, the most problematic folks suffer severe mental illnesses and won't go to the help themselves, even when offered. I hate to tell him, though, only the government can really organize mass social service efforts, and I'd wager an increase in taxes to pay for it would be labeled "theft" by him.
As for the skateboarders and loitering kids...lol, get over it. If they're jumping people, police patrols should be enhanced to prevent that. If they're hanging out and eating convenience store fare, well, there's not much that can be done about that. Trust me - WE'VE TRIED. We have rec centers EVERYWHERE. We have tons of sports and arts and other organizations for youth, and they only make a small dent in the number of kids hanging. Put out lots of trash cans, hire people to sweep up, and get over it. It would be lovely if every child had parents who cared and made sure they were doing something productive, but that's not the case. It'll only help a little, but, again, actions speak louder than words and he should be donating to and volunteering with youth service organizations if he wants to reduce this problem - mentoring, coaching, tutoring, whatever. Also, IMHO, the kids who are hanging at Gallery Place and skateboarding on Freedom Plaza are at least less - and in less - trouble than some others. The "others" are less visible, but far more likely to be out breaking into homes, mugging people, running drugs, tagging, running with gangs, and otherwise causing *real* trouble. I once had a kid who was skateboarding cuss at me because I wouldn't give him a cigarette...and, uh, that's about it. They're too busy worrying about their tricks or impressing some other kid to give me passing by much of a thought.
The other end of downtown, where this SPU bigot lives, is not safe to stroll late at night with the aponymous "my wife", and anyone who believes the developer BS that it is is also just plain dumb.
Seattle's a great town and downtown is where you can see art and hear music, but it isn't where you should live. That's true in every other city in America. Paying a lot of money for a condo doesn't change that. Seattleites are naive.
We could and should be doing a lot more to deal with things like homelessness and drug addiction, but I don't buy for one minute a declensionist narrative for Seattle's downtown.
Oh, and charity that comes with a sermon is not genuine charity. It's buying believers. Prozeliting. You name it. But charity is one-sided giving, not an exchange a la "soul for food".
Remember it's the Devil who buys souls by wordly presents, such as a good meal.