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Al I know is Redshirts was no good. Started great, then crawled up its own asshole and died. The end.
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Ideally the Hugo would have gone to something that was better than just reasonably good. Redshirts was a fine premise, but the first 50 pages were more than enough.

Ringo's whining about why Redshirts won is sour grapes, but I'd rather have seen Wool get the prize.
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"OH JOHN RINGO NO."

The best, most entertaining book review I've ever read in my life was of one of his series': http://hradzka.livejournal.com/194753.ht…
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Redshirts was great. John Ringo writes repetitive pulp crap and it sells fine but he ought to have figured out at this age that being a really good at producing pulp crap doesn't mean your going to get awards for you literary merit.
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Hmm. My favorite part of Redshirts was the way it ended.
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I enjoyed Ringo stuff for a while, but he got increasingly right wing and creepy uncle.

Two moments that sealed the door for me was in one of his books, a teacher in the future was explaining why Bush invading Iraq was a masterstroke and in another book, his Mary Sue commando guy saved a bus load of college girls and after having sex with all of them, the grateful girls pledged to vote Republican from now on.
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Redshirts was fantastic because Scalzi set up the premise, and executed it beautifully, then used the second act to get totally meta on his premise, and then closed with a very moving third act that moved completely out of SF and got to the core of what it means to be human. It was a fantastic lead forward for a very fine genre writer whose work I already liked very much. I don't know that it was better that the other nominees (I only read KSR's book), but it was a very fine novel, and I'm glad for Scalzi.
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@3 Came here to mention that thread. OH, JOHN RINGO, NO.
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The scary thing is that comment #6 probably isn't parody.
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Sounds like somebody wants to be the Kid Rock of sci fi.
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Funnily enough I'm the opposite of this guy. I'm pretty meh on Scalzi's writing as it's kind of lightweight juvenile scifi (and Redshirts might be my least favorite novel of his) but his blog and politics are generally pretty appealing and fun to read.
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Scalzi hasn't been picking stupid fights lately. He has, however, been delivering some extremely fine smackdowns on people who have said some really stupid things (mostly sexist but not exclusively) in professional forums. Note that this is different from doing the frothing yargle-bargle on your own blog/twitter account, which, as far as I can recall he has not responded to unless called out specifically, but as the head of a professional organization he did take a strong stand against sexism within the organization and in its professional publications. In the aftermath of that particular dust-up with SFWA, he's also been a lot more sensitive to the whole "what you walk past is what you accept" standard, which has resulting in some very entertaining prose directed at jerks not used to being called out on their shit.
At a worst case, the Hugo for Redshirts was like Elizabeth Taylor's Oscar® for Butterfield 8--she actually should have won it for another film, but she got it for that one because she should have won it the other time. It's a good book, but personally, I think Old Man's War is better (and it explores a number of the same themes).
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There are plenty of great authors out there who are personally and politically loathsome. It's a huge mistake to only read books (or watch movies, or look at art, or listen to music) that mesh with your particular world view.

When you do that your world view is basically paper thin and in desperate need of constant reinforced from the outside. It means you're weak in your principles. So. What you really want is propaganda. Not art.

I like Scalzi a great deal. But he does get a little sanctimonious on his blog at times. He's right of course. But, yeah beating a hobby horse to be good guy all the time does get tedious. Of course politics plays a part in the Hugo Awards. It does in every award. In this case though was the fact Scalzi was riffing off a popular trope with an homage to a beloved bit of classic Sci-fi - Star Trek. He was a shoe-in.

As for Ringo? Who? Never even heard of him. The guy is complaining about a book he never read? Well. That's all you need to know right there. Fuck that guy who ever he is.

Red Shirts was... I enjoyed it a great deal... but it wasn't as good as James S.A. Corey (the pen name used by Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck) Caliban's War. Much more original IMHO. Caliban's War should've won.
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@12 Yes. The first Old Man's War was much better. Really campy fun.
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So... do liberals ever complain that conservatives win things just because they're conservatives?
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@2 I loved WOOL.

But I was terribly biased because of Howey doing it via self pub, which I admired and was excited for him. Howey fulfills my own fantasy of writing one day. I'll have to read it again to be sure I'm not projecting.
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@15 Defense contracts? I'd love to be awarded a juicy defense contract. But I'm a liberal, darn it.
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Obviously the award should have gone to Ringo, whose books not only lack any serious literary or SFnal merit but fall leagues short of being "reasonably good novels". The curious (or masochistic) can find electronic copies of his stuff (legally) distributed for free by his publisher, Baen.

Warning: at the cost of free these are incredibly overpriced.
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Obviously the award should have gone to Ringo, whose books not only lack any serious literary or SFnal merit but fall leagues short of being "reasonably good novels". The curious (or masochistic) can find electronic copies of his stuff (legally) distributed for free by his publisher, Baen.

Warning: at the cost of free these are incredibly overpriced.
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Ringo's been known in writer circles as a ultra-right wing douche for years. His writing is drab at best and he's not anywhere near top-tier for hard sci-fi to even good/fun space opera.

That said, I read plenty of new sci-fi this year that was significantly better than Redshirts. The Long War, for example. But Scalzi is a great writer most of the time and a really great human being, so I can't get too up in arms about him winning.

Moral of that story: Fuck John Ringo.
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John Ringo writes books for 14 year old virgins in a rage about the small size of their penis.
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I don't read science fiction at all, so can someone explain to me if @6 is being serious or sarcastic? If serious, holy fuck, Ringo...
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What if John Ringo, encountered Indiana Pacer, Paul George, at a lonely space port?
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Couple of things. First, I like Scalzi and I like Ringo. Redshirts was not the best work that Scalzi has ever done. The discussion thread on Facebook has been grossly oversimplified in this article and in fact is still ongoing. Read the entire thread and form your own opinion.
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@22- I don't know the book in question so I can't comment directly.

A lot of science fiction plot lines are really ludicrous when you boil them down. "Time Enough For Love" by Robert Heinlein is a book about an immortal time traveler who has sex with most of his female relatives. "Lord of the Rings" is about a burglar's nephew who destroys stolen goods rather than return them to their rightful owner. "Alien" is a movie about how much we need unions.
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I read one of Ringo's books. I can't recall the title, but it took place during an analogue to the Bush Administration, and his Marty-Stu was some scientist who was also a sexy rugged man's man, a fighter pilot, and a Southerner who was out to show those pinhead lib'rulls that someone with a redneck accent could be Mr. Scott. Gateways to another world started showing up and the alien invasion was on.
The Bush Admin. was shown to be a competent group, above politics, ready to hand everything over to Mr. Stu and his down-home technobabble. Meanwhile, victims of the aliens, when given any personality at all, were portrayed as clueless lefties or in some other way caricatured as politically flawed. I'm assuming this is so they could be part of a body count but the reader could still take joy that one less non-Republican had been killed.
Marty, at some point, meets a super-advanced alien that confirms creationism. I'm not kidding.
Then, after Marty works out a strategy to beat the aliens, the way to do it is given to our allies, but the Middle East is allowed to be invaded and pretty much crushed before any help is given since they're, you know, Muslims.
I welcome a story that challenges my own beliefs and values. Characters, especially protagonists, shouldn't be clones of my worldview. I do require a suspension of disbelief as to how plausible something is, and frankly, Ringo's Fox News fantasy-land never passes muster. Alien invasion wormholes were far more passable than a Post-9/11 Bush cabinet that rolled over for Southern Science Stu.
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@3 that link/review was priceless. If we were on reddit I'd give you gold.
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@7 is a brilliant nutshell of Redshirts, thanks.
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@21 Not to defend Ringo, but so did Heinlein and he was named a Grand Master of Science Fiction.
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@15 Do Gerrymandered congressional districts count?
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@#30 Late Heinlein was an embarrassing mess of unedited wish-fulfillment fantasies, each with an immortal magical sexual superman surrounded with a harem of beautiful women throwing themselves at him, and many of them his close relatives to boot. A mess, really. But while some of those themes intrude in less concentrated, less ridiculous form into his better stuff, he wrote a lot of truly great SF as well. I note that no-one in this thread is accusing Ringo of that; frankly, it'd be nice to hear Ringo had some decent books to his name along with the dreck described at the link above.at #3.
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Awards are biased towards writers who don't suck shit through a straw like Ringo.

And the funny thing? By a lot of other benchmarks, Scalzi's not exactly a hard-left, gender-norm destroying, anarcho-capitalist. He's pretty much just left of center, but nothing crazily so.

It's just that the sci-fi world has so many reactionary MRA man-children that he seems like the personification of liberal values next to the neckbearded neanderthals who make up a sadly sizable (thankfully not universal) contingent of the sci-fi crowd.
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The very same week Scalzi was promoting his new no-harassment-policy-no-Scalzi policy, he touted his interview of a lauded author who serially cheated on his wife before leaving her, lied for a time about divorcing her, and whose family (and ex-wife) has deep ties to Scientology. Whether the grapes seem sour or not, Scalzi as shameless self-promoter seems self evident (though he is fairly honest about that). More importantly, it renders his harassment policy stance as more than a little hypocritical. If you talk the talk, you should walk the walk...
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how the hell does having a friend - or maybe just interviewee - who cheated on his wife render confronting the harassment problem in SF fandom hypocritical

:|
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Yeah, um, Richie? I don't recall Scalzi ever saying he had a new " cheat- on- your- scientologist -wife-and then-divorce-her-no Scalzi" policy.

You're calling him a hypocrite because he knows the difference between sexual harrassment and infidelity/divorce ?
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Yeah, um, Richie? I don't recall Scalzi ever saying he had a new " cheat- on- your- scientologist -wife-and then-divorce-her-no Scalzi" policy.

You're calling him a hypocrite because he, unlike you, knows the difference between sexual harrassment and infidelity/divorce ?
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my mind is blown that Paul Constant has read a John Ringo book. One that I have as well.
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I thoroughly enjoyed "Redshirts". The meta-meta-meta spiral was pure brain candy, and the three short stories wrapping up the loose ends from the characters were touching. Is it the best SF novel ever, or in the past year? I don't know. It's what the people who attend Worldcon nominated and then voted in. After the awards are announced, all the numbers for the Hugo voting and nominations are made public. Sixteen books received 55 or more nominations, and the top 5 went on the ballot. There weren't 55 people who thought Ringo's most recent book was Hugo-worthy. http://www.thehugoawards.org/content/pdf…

I'd never heard of John Ringo until people started laughing at his post about Scalzi's Hugo award. I was amused that what he said about "Redshirts" was "it's not exactly Stranger in a Strange Land or Nightfall." Heinlein and Asimov? They weren't exactly on the ballot this year, or any time in this century. If "Stranger in a Strange Land" was on a ballot today, how many of us could read it without howls of laughter?

When I searched for info about Ringo, I didn't find a blog, but did find an article about a talk that he gave at a SF club. In included "He had the audience rolling as he recounted tales from his days in the US Army (he was a veteran of the Grenada intervention)." I do believe that is the first, and last, time I'll see someone described as a veteran of the Grenada intervention.
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@2- Of course we hope the Hugo will go to a novel that is more than "reasonably good", the point is that Ringo hasn't actually read the book and has no basis for determining it to be only "reasonably good".
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For those asking: YES #6 IS ACTUALLY A DESCRIPTION OF ONE OF JOHN RINGO'S NOVELS

He is a sick fuck who has increasingly producing the very worst of the bizarre twisted sexual fantasies woven into badly written SF.

THe poor man need mental health care but won't get it because he is surrounded by sexually frustrated and inadequate tru-BEE-livers who reinforce his illness with the sycophancy
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Sounds like people are just butthurt because Ringo sells about three times as many books as Scalzi, without having to insult the LGBT crowd by bad crossdressing to draw attention to himself.
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@40 - Then let me help out. I've read Redshirts, and it's not "reasonably good." If Scalzi could write a character who wasn't Scalzi, it might be a little better.
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The last time I read anything on this level all the i's were dotted with smiley faces or hearts. If Scalzi is considered to be a writer then that pimply faced kid at Burger King is a Chef. He should also qualify his statement on his website about e-mailing him comments. It should read: "If you are a fawning acolyte please e-mail me with a comment."

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