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And naturally the comment of "well they get what they deserve" as seen by Comte.
So the left can be just as assholish and dictatorial as the right. Very good to know
That's not what I actually said, was it? No, it was not. But, hey, thanks for playing "Mis-attribution", we'll send you the home version of the game.
And we all know how totally worthwhile it is to intervene in some other dude's fight. Who wouldn't jump at the chance to catch a stay punch in the face, ruin your outfit and maybe get blamed by the cops for starting it? Sign me up!
Zero people aided the attaker.
But yeah go on with your generalizations. Tell me how people are. You got it all figured out.
Someone gets attacked for wearing a hajib or a red hat, that is just wrong. No quibbling. No "but they did it first." Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
And until we fully embrace the truth of that statement, we are literally no different from the worst hate spewer on the right.
What is that phrase we like to say? Check your privilege?
Check your privilege, folks. Someone got beat up for wearing a hat. Just because it was red with some specific English words on it doesn't make it in any way funny or okay.
That's not an excuse to assault someone, but advertising what a terrible person you are in a city like this is not going to have you met with smiles and helping hands. If a guy was wearing an overtly neonazi hat vs some MAGA bullshit, nobody would be discussing this.
Enjoy the EIGHT fucking years we are going to have to live through with Trump because of asshole regressives like yourself.
This is not good.
Shit's real, yo.
"...he should have been prepared to defend himself. "
If I wear an Obama t-shirt should I be ready for an attack?
What about a Bernie bumper sticker?
What about a woman wearing a miniskirt, should she be prepared to defend herself.
If we all start to act like right wingers, then we are no different from them.
What happened to 'they go low, we go high'?
We can't allow ourselves to turn into them.
However, it's a shame they weren't 2nd amendment fans.
who called my friend a nigger on a downtown street yesterday? a crazy woman.
who punched someone over a trump hat? probably a crazy person. it wasn't a "far leftist" starting a civil war, you poor persecuted snowflake contards.
Feel free to disagree with their actions, but don't politicize them.
Why are you libtards so incapable of playing by your own rules?
I plan on defending myself should they display any aggressiveness towards me or those I love.
Corollary - Its really easy to buy guns in this state. Sad that it took this election to make me feel I needed one.
And also, comparing violence against a person showing blatant support for the most powerful bigot in the world to the assault of a woman based on their style is pretty gross. Think about that for a minute.
They shouldn't have beaten him up, same as how people shouldn't get into bar fights. But it does happen.
Anyway I am wearing the hat around town to spark useful discussion. I am honestly troubled by the complete castigation of one side as morally repugnant and the other side as righteous. I'm sure that the best way to prosper as a society does not involve ramping up the repugnance factor to 11 so that neither side bothers to talk to other.
My rule is I have to talk to anyone about politics that asks if they see me wearing the hat, so please do. You won't see me for a few weeks. I can't afford to get another concussion so soon; it could cause permanent brain damage . But after maybe two more weeks you should see me around again.
In the meantime, if anyone wants to read a book that will blow your mind and could not be more relevant to today's atmosphere, read 'The Righteous Mind' by Jonathan Haidt (it's a non-political book don't worry).
For now, I'm with @3: "I haven't been so upset since FDR bullied Hitler into committing suicide."
"Alt" just sounded cooler than "neo" to some clowns and they also chose to use "Right" as a euphemism for "Nazi." They're still the same white-supremacist, anti-Semitic, pro-authoritarian assholes that Neo-Nazis have always been.
That doesn't make them actual Nazis or make it OK to beat them up for wearing a hat, but I wonder if that's really how things went down. People sometimes don't tell police the complete truth and Callan sometimes simplifies to make a point. I'm cool with that, but my guess is that more words were exchanged before anyone got punched.
So, bravo to the folks that broke up the fight, fuck you to the racist asshole with the hat, and I'm reserving judgment on the other people in the fight, although it does sound like they were probably being assholes.
If you all really condemn me as a racist without even talking to me, I would say that that proves the need for me to wear the hat.
People believing in the moral repugnance on the other side is the essential component for really terrible violence. Choosing the worst of the Trump supporters and using that as a reason to shout racist bigot misogynist is not helpful. It guarantees conflict. There are as many despicable qualities on the left and the point is not that you believe that, the point is that belief is honestly held by the people who voted for Trump. Both sides think the other side is repugnant. The longer they keep shouting at each other the more likely we are to really fight.
If you really want end hate start talking to people you disagree with.
Try reading the book I outline, it covers how people make decisions. It's basic premise is that we make decisions intuitively, and then use our conscious brain to justify what we want to believe. Basically we have no hope of actually coming to rational conclusions without talking to other people because we are too intuitive or biased if you like. Intelligence doesn't help either, intelligent people are simply more able to find reasons to justify what they want to believe.
All I can say is, I think you would find Viewpoint may be less stressful. I was a default liberal in college and at first it was hard living around people who were conservative. But honestly once I got over myself, I was a lot less angry. I was able to see the good in the conservative side and the bad in my own side, and am now convinced that neither side is morally Superior over the other.
I won't try to convince you of much, but I guarantee you this, if you can't see the flaws in the left, it is only from a lack of trying. Both side have negatives and positives and that's what we should be talking about.
If you need any minor taste of that, consider that conservatives give 4 to 5 times as much money to charity and almost 10 times as much of their own time to charitable causes. While Liberals are busy holding up signs and chanting, conservatives are Far and Away more likely to actively go out and help those in need. I find that impressive; they don't advocate for taxes for someone else to solve a problem, they give up their own resources and get their own hands dirty.
It's central premise is the explanation for why it is so easy to believe you are righteous and right and the other side is evil and wrong. It also explains why listing out logical reasons doesn't really convince anybody. Your conscious brain has chosen the reasons that support what you want to believe intuitively, while the guy on the other side wants intuitively to believe the opposite and therefore ignores your facts and picks his own. We are basically motivated reasoning machines.
It only asks you to accept that there are actually alternative ways to view morality. It doesn't make the case that all morality views are equal or that one is necessarily better than the other, just that people honestly do think about morals differently. Accepting that and attempting to see the world for a second from the Viewpoint of another will help us work together to find our commonalities instead of fighting over our differences.
1) don't fall into post hoc reasoning, it's basically what we're doing all day long. Moved into pre hoc. Ask yourself what kinds of evidence would I need to convince me that I am wrong on this point before you start a conversation if you're good looking online.
2) Try to find the smartest, or most likable person who, who believes the opposite of you and talk / listen / debate them. They might not change your mind, but if you focus on people you find repulsive, then you're guaranteed that your mind will never be changed.
3) be honest with yourself, don't rationalize. If you think shouting racist at the other side, and not talking is a good strategy, then just say that. Don't blame you're not reaching out on the actions of the other side. I was assaulted by multiple people, for no reason, and I'm reaching out. I'm honestly scared and repulsed by the people I see spouting hate around the city. that is not a reason to not talk to them.
I don't usually get so prescriptive, but if you haven't done any of the above things, there is a much larger chance that you are simply an idealogue.
He arguably deserved criticism for wearing the hat but he did not deserve a knuckle sandwich.