Good for Mayor Frey. No need to mince words anymore with these goons. Hopefully everyone here who denounced protesters for trying to block ICE vehicles and insisted nothing bad would happen if we were just good boys and girls now recognize the error of their ways.

Minnesota Law 609.065 JUSTIFIABLE TAKING OF LIFE.

“The intentional taking of the life of another is not authorized EXCEPT when necessary in resisting or preventing an offense which the actor reasonably believes exposes the actor or another to great bodily harm or death …”

If a 3,500+ pound vehicle is being driven at you, wouldn’t you reasonably believe you were exposed to great bodily harm?

The woman's actions were not "terrorism" according to the governments own definition:

"Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals ..."

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/terrorism#:~:text=International%20terrorism:%20Violent%2C%20criminal%20acts%20committed%20by,political%2C%20religious%2C%20social%2C%20racial%2C%20or%20environmental%20nature.

Unless the government has some evidence that indicates the woman's motivation for her actions, there is no evidence this was terrorism.

Evidently, when ffing around with ICE officers, you are much safer in an inflatable frog costume than in your own SUV. Pro tip!!

Even safer (and far more rewarding) is to be hitting big bumps of Yayo off the ass of a high end prostitute while ensconced in a 5 star suite with Beastie Boys droning on in the background. You want to listen to Thirteen lecture you about how perfectly constitutional it is to do donuts around ICE officers while "legally observing" them? He is surely going to get you killed.

Hitting big bumps of Nose Candy off a hookers ass not only keeps you alive, it enlivens you, and most importantly, inoculates you from becoming an ideological boor. Ive never awakened from a coke party to find another guest ranting on about something he read in the Nation magazine while I'm trying to make coffee and find my left shoe. My nose might be burning but I find a kind inner peace with the world as I steal a final gummer off the mirror and stumble around the parking lot looking for my car.

Ultimately, its your nostrils, your choice.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

@2: No, a tire that is at 90° only for a millisecond at the arc of a turn to the driver's right is not "being driven at you"!

@2: took you 22 minutes to pull your bullshit together this morning. you're slipping.

The 404 media account is not a particularly accurate description. The officer is directly in front of the vehicle when the driver hits the gas, the wheels are pointed toward him, and he had about one second to react, which is when he pulls and aims the gun, firing as he barely moves out of the way. It's sad that the driver fled in such a reckless and dangerous way, but the shooting was undeniably lawful.

@4 kossack the closest you get to "big bumps of yayo" is exclusive loose leaf teas from far off corners of the world where you once lived in a yurt in the 80s, which you never hesitate to tell anyone who'll listen

FUCKING
BRAVISSIMO
Vivian. KUDOS
for giving This Story
the Gravitas it Demands.

will
THIS
be Our
Tipping Point?

A. how much
MORE Will
we Allow?

@2-- "If
a 3,500+ pound vehicle
is being driven at you, wouldn’t you
reasonably believe you were exposed to great bodily harm?"

--@Frothing Kneelham

"A third officer,
who has been standing
on the other side of the road,
pulls out a firearm while the car is turning
away from him and fires into the car three times.

The officer fires two of the shots
when the vehicle is already
well past him. He is not
in front of the car, but
to the side.

The officer calmly holsters his weapon."

--@tS

what a frothing
POS you've surely
turned out to Be, Kneel.

@7 -- "the shooting was undeniably lawful."

nekrasova on January 8, 2026 at 10:22 AM

"The officer fires two of the shots
when the vehicle is already
well past him. He is not
in front of the car, but
to the side."

--@tS

"The officer calmly holsters his weapon."

Bonespurs'
Brownshirts
at Your Service!

your
Funeral
Service, that is.

@2: “ If a 3,500+ pound vehicle is being driven at you”

In this case, the 3,500+ vehicle was not being driven at the officer at the moment the officer fired. Seconds earlier, the vehicle was indeed being driven at him, but not at the moment he fired, and that is the moment that counts. There was no objectively reasonable expectation of harm at the moment of the shooting. The only remaining question is whether this was second-degree murder or second-degree manslaughter. 😝

@8 -- el Koz
is J. Peterman?

whoa! who Knew!?

https://youtu.be/1GEPjmaF1XQ

@10 Wouldn't say that's quite correct - the first trigger pull is almost certainly occurring within half a second of the vehicle slamming on the gas while he's directly in front of it. In Brosseau v. Haugen, a police officer shot and killed a suspect who began driving away after she failed to remove him from his vehicle. The Court held the use of deadly force reasonable because she believed he was driving toward other officers. This and numerous other cases establish that officers—whether in front of or beside a vehicle—may use deadly force if a suspect drives toward them. This has been established in numerous cases: you cannot use your vehicle to threaten police officers.

"There is total ... manipulation of the crime scene.
We have seen that on all of the bystander foot-
age that the shooter himself and other ICE
agents got into their vehicles and either
left the scene or moved the vehicles,
thereby changing an active crime
scene and manipulating an
active crime scene.

So we already know that the federal law enforcement authorities
either were so incompetent that they didn't know how
to handle what was going on or that they were
trying to change what the evidence would be."

https://www.muellershewrote.com/p/fbi-is-covering-up-the-murder-in

Even now Minnesota's
been blocked out
by the FBI from
ICE's crime
scene ev-
idence

and so the
Cover-Up
Begins.

@12: You are wrong along multiple axes here. 😄 Brosseau is a qualified immunity case, not a self-defense case. In fact, the Brosseau Court explicitly says, "We express no view as to the correctness of the Court of Appeals’ decision on the constitutional question itself." Brosseau may come into play if the driver's estate attempts to sue the officer who shot her, but Brosseau doesn't tell us anything about whether the shooting itself was lawful.

You are also wrong when you say that "officers—whether in front of or beside a vehicle—may use deadly force if a suspect drives toward them." That is not the law. In fact, your own Brosseau case cites the case of Estate of Sparks, in which "the court concluded that the threat created by the fleeing suspect’s failure to brake when an officer suddenly stepped in front of his just-started car was not a sufficiently grave threat to justify the use of deadly force." Ruh-roh! 😄

The actual law is that the shooter must have an objectively reasonable belief in great, imminent bodily harm to himself or others. The Minneapolis shooting does not meet the standard, because the shooter and all other persons were clear of the vehicle at the time of the shooting.

I think you are making the same mistake as NotMyopic @2. Yes, the vehicle did start out driving at the officer. But then, it turned away; and also, the officer hopped out of its way. Only once the officer was already clear of the vehicle did he fire. That's not self-defense, because at that moment, the vehicle was no longer a threat to him or anyone else, even though it had been a threat to him just seconds earlier.

I guess we ran out of shiny objects to chase after in Seattle. Look everyone, something is glinting in Minneapolis.

Good Lord, I agree with thumpus. Will wonders never cease.

@12: Let's have a look at that second clause of the first sentence:

"the first trigger pull is almost certainly occurring within half a second of the vehicle slamming on the gas while he's directly in front of it."

Then let's remove the subjective persuasion adjectives and see what we get:

Remove: "almost certainly"
Remove: "slamming on the gas"

"the first trigger pull is occurring within half a second of the vehicle while he's directly in front of it."

So the only quibble that remains is how long the ICE officer was directly in front of the vehicle.

@5,

You think the officer was looking at the tires? He is looking up at the driver, as you, or any other reasonable human would be in that moment. That is what the body's fight or flight mechanisms force us to do. They can't, and don't, look at it reasonably in the moment, in the way all of us non-threatened arm-chair analysts can, after the fact, with magnification, enhancement, and super slow-motion.
The NYT video shows the officer in front of the vehicle when it starts moving forward. At that point the officer starts his draw and movement in response. He is less than 5 feet away. He has milliseconds to react.
The NYT analysis (and Vivian's) does not account for human neurological reaction time which is 3/4 to 1 and 1/4 seconds between when something is observed, and when the body responds to what has been observed (aka the travel time of neurological impulses to the brain, the processing time of that by the brain, and sending action messages out to the muscles that animate arms, legs, and fingers). The officer observes the vehicle moving towards him and decides to draw (and possibly to fire). So assuming the officer decided to pull that trigger at that precise moment, it will be at least 3/4 of a second before the body will apply pressure to the trigger. That assumes the gun is already aimed and the finger was on the trigger, which it wasn't, so you have to add draw, aim, and trigger squeezing time which is another 2 seconds for a well drilled defensive shooter.

Assuming the officer recognizes the vehicle is changing direction away from them, it AT LEAST another 3/4 of a second before that recognition will translate to ending the trigger squeezing.

All of that has to be considered in evaluating the standard of "reasonableness" standard, spelled out by Minnesota (and all other 49 states) self-defense law, to applying to the evaluating the shooter's perception and actions.

The officer's feet can be seen slipping on the icy pavement as he attempts to move out of the line of threat (which would be a normal human reaction and is reinforced by officer and self-defense training as the primary - and simultaneous to drawing a weapon - response to threat of serious physical injury or death). Again this plays into "reasonableness" evaluation under self-defense law. It makes it reasonable for the person to belief they won't get out from in front of the vehicle in time.
The burden of proof is on the Hennepin County Prosecutor to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, to all 12 jurors, that the officer's (or a non-officers) perceptions, reactions, and actions lacked any possible reasonable basis. Meeting that burden of proof for a jury is difficult enough; however, its a high enough burden that it makes it unlikely that the charges survived a probable cause hearing in front of a judge so it can continue to trial.

Heneppin County Prosecutors are very sympathetic to the arguments Vivian, and others are making, but even with that sympathy, they likely recognize they can't meet the burden of proof for the elements of the crime. Charges are unlikely.

@15
in thee
'Right Hands'
ai Can serve us, well.

unfortunately, the hands
(and the reins) are in
Far 'Right' hands.

@15: "Good Lord, I agree with thumpus"

as you grow older and wiser, it will happen more and more often 😂

@15 Thump Dawg, if you can look past all the emojis, actually has a pretty good breath of knowledge. His legal knowledge for example is easily sufficient to dispense with devoted amateurs like Neale or opinionated laypersons like nekro. It's not even a "broken clock is right twice a day" situation it's more like an obnoxiously loud clock that's right more than you'd like to admit.

The agent is a pig, in a pig agency, who murdered a citizen who was in the wrong place through no fault of her own. Case closed. ICE apologists need not apply.

Speaking of Law Enforcement (of the more legitimate variety) King County Sheriff and Metro Security had a big presence at 12th and Jackson this morning, and there was a notable lack of Our Unhoused Neighbors. They seem to have migrated south to Daejeon Park.

@17: This is not a convincing narrative. 😄

I understand why you need this argument: You are trying to bridge the gap between the moment when the car was actually a threat to the officer and the moment when the officer fired. But the bridge you've built with your neurological argument isn't long to cross that gap. 😆

Your argument has the officer going into some kind of neurological robot mode for several seconds, during which time he was supposedly not in control of his own actions. Unfortunately for your argument, the video shows the officer continuing to lay well-aimed shots into the driver as she passes him, including through the passenger-side window. To make those shots, the officer had to continuously adjust his sight picture to account for the vehicle's lateral movement. To use your own phrase, his "body was responding to what has been observed." He was, in other words, thinking. He was not in robot mode. 😁

Ironically, if the officer had been faster on the draw, he would have a stronger self-defense claim. There was a moment when the vehicle was coming at him. It's just not the moment when he fired, that's all. 😛

@20: “it's more like an obnoxiously loud clock that's right more than you'd like to admit.”

Just wait till the ICJ issues its ruling in South Africa v. Israel! 🤣

@17: No, I'm referring to the video where we see the Honda from a low angle and can clearly see where the tires are pointing.
The only conceivable danger was the officer in question being bumped by the Honda in its turn to align itself with the street.

To extrapolate otherwise, which is what you are doing, into a provocation justifying lethal force is beyond excruciating for those of reasonable mind.

But let's cut to the chase: What's in it for you politically to hang your hat on this by giving credence to Trump?

The local paper talked to 5 legal experts on the potential justifiability of the shooting. Here's the relevant section:

"Four of the experts who spoke to the Star Tribune had seen videos that documented the encounter. None of the experts said the available evidence proved the shooting was justified.

“I would say it’s a bad shooting,” Kenney (professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York) said. “In my view, the video shows the officer who did the shooting deliberately moved himself into a blocking position and clearly had time to get out of the way — because he did.”

Gross (law professor at the University of Wisconsin in Madison) agreed, saying he saw nothing in the publicly available videos that would justify deadly force.

“I don’t see how anybody who is a conscientious member of law enforcement could view that video and not have serious concerns about what the officer did,” Gross said."

https://www.startribune.com/we-talked-to-5-use-of-force-experts-this-is-what-they-say-about-the-minneapolis-ice-shooting/601559891

@14 An officer who has someone stomp the gas while he is standing in front of the car and another officer has his hands on and in the vehicle can quite reasonably believe in the split second he has to make a decision that the individual will or is intending to hit officers. It's somewhat ambiguous as to whether she did actually make contact with the officer in front of the car, and I don't think any of the video evidence is quite clear enough to say definitively, so I'll reserve judgement, but that would obviously bolster his already reasonable belief that the car would or was attempting to hit officers. If you swing a knife at me and miss, you have clearly still attempted assault with a deadly weapon. The shooting was lawful.

Fuck anyone who has watched the video and tried to defend this senseless murder. Seriously, fuck you, you fucking fascist fucks. Fuck Noem. Fuck all of them. "Domestic terrorism" -- fuck you. What a senseless tragedy. Prosecute all of them. Impeach Noem. What a ghoul.

@24, The officer is not observing the situation is not observing the Honda from the low angle of the camera, nor is it where were are "hard wired" to look in such circumstances. We are hardwired to look at eye-level and at biological threat first, and the object wielded by the threat secondarily.

@10, See @17 for discussion of the reasonableness of human perception and performance. It isn't just what is happening at the precise instant the trigger is pulled that matters, but ALSO what can the actor reasonably perceive and how they can reasonably respond given the limitations of the human nervous system that contributes to the "reasonableness" standard in the statute.

We have precedent on that from cases here in Seattle, as well as other parts of the country. It is not just the millisecond that the trigger is squeezed, but the seconds before and after. It's a moment in time measured in 2,500 to 5,000 milliseconds, not a 1 millisecond. 5,000 milliseconds encompasses the entire duration of the incident from the vehicle starting to move forward to when shots are fired.

Add to that the fact that the actor, unlike all of us, doesn't have the benefit of considering it without the actual involuntary adrenaline dump, multiple camera angles, slow-motion, etc. Courts have said Prosecutors, Judges, and Jurors don't get to use the armchair analysis, but only what the accused person perceived in the moment, which doesn't include what cameras or other witnesses saw (unless the witness was standing right where the accused was).

@26: She turned. He doesn't get to shoot her as she drives away. 😃 There was a time when she was a threat, and a time when she no longer was, and the officer shot her during the time when she no longer was. 😉

Though I'll definitely acknowledge thumpus can at least persuasively make the most plausible case, though I'm probably going to continue to disagree with the interpretation of what the officer's reasonable belief may have been—it's certainly better than everyone else who has simply absorbed a narrative of the Deliberate Murder Simply For Fleeing, not viewed the videos themselves to see how close it was, etc. Would that all my interlocutors would bother "doing the work"...

@30: Well actually my new take is: the fascist pigs murdered her for protesting because they are Zionists! 😉

Here come the bootlickers to lick some boots.

@29 He is assuredly too close to tell it has begun to turn for the first shot, and the last thing he sees while moving and firing is the other officer is being dragged slightly by the car on ice and pulled off balance before that officer is not in his line of sight anymore during the second and third shots—a completely reasonable belief that the car is still a threat to both of them distinctly exists. But I have a feeling we're not going to see eye to eye on this one...

Correction: @28 should be 250 and 500 milliseconds.

Nobody drive anywhere near nekro or Neale, they believe just being in the vicinity of a moving car is reasonable cause to use deadly force.

We may be nearing our Holger Danske moment - hopefully those in congress regain control of our federal government.

Ha! People are fucking defending this guy? Pathetic.

The only one who deserves a bullet to the face is Noem for shooting that puppy.

@38 no the puppy had failed to obey lawful orders so that was a good shoot

Here’s the thing: even real cops are screaming meemie drama queens in a crisis. These thuggish halfwit ICE pigs are even worse, cause they’re even dumber than cops.

What would be really nice would be an end to the promotion of mass hysteria surrounding every ambiguous police use-of-force video.

@41 Says the idiot who claims to know exactly what happened.

@42 I made no claim beyond what's visible and audible. If you attempted that, perhaps you'd have a more persuasive view of "what happened".

@2 and @3 and anyone else defending the agent murdering Renee Nicole Good -

Even if they were in fear of their life, firing their weapon was not proper procedure, according to the DoJ:
1. The "Means Other Than the Vehicle" Rule
The most common phrase you will see in police manuals (including the 2022 DOJ Policy and LAPD/NYPD rules) is:
"Firearms shall not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless a person in the vehicle is immediately threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means OTHER THAN THE VEHICLE." (emphasis mine)

Translation: If a driver is trying to hit you with the car, you are prohibited from shooting. If the driver is leaning out the window and shooting a gun at you, only then are you allowed to return fire.

The "Moving Path" Mandate
Policies now explicitly state that an officer’s primary duty is to get out of the way.
The Rule: If an officer is in the path of an oncoming vehicle, they are required to "move to a position of safety" rather than stand their ground and shoot.

Why? Because a bullet does not stop a 4,000-pound projectile. If you shoot the driver, the car doesn't stop; it becomes an "unguided missile" that is now even more likely to hit you or a bystander because the driver is incapacitated.

All excuses about the internal mind of the agent and the timing are moot. They are supposed to go through training before they have the privilege of a badge and a gun. The civilian, experiencing similar fears, has not gone through that training.

The ICE agent was a thug with a gun and used it improperly by every standard even if the bullshit narrative about aiming the car is correct (it's not). This was murder.

@2 The other day I was crossing that street at a crosswalk and a driver started to make a right turn (because he wasn't paying attention) and his car started coming right at me. By your logic, I would have been justified to pull out my gun and shoot the driver. You're an idiot.

@40: Yes, projecting hateful stereotypes on law enforcement is your thing. This does nothing but add gasoline to the fire. Not a good look as we give remembrance Renee Nicole Good and what she fought for.

@43 your view of what happened is about as persuasive as your claim that you’re a leftist who hates trump so you’re not exactly one to talk

yeah!

who on
Earth Ever
wouldda Thought that
backing/Justifying Israel's
genocide where Impunity's the
M.O. for war criminals, and crimes,

might could come Back to Haunt US?
our Imperialism's NEVER produced
any Blow-back before has it?

That its OUR Own Gov't
tho, That's been a wee
Bit of a Surprise.

@40

it Only they
Had their
very own
"Union."

as least
they've got
Cadet Bonespurs
Congress and a Holy
complicit Supreme Court.

@43 Perhaps it's time for you to see a doctor.

@44: "Even if they were in fear of their life, firing their weapon was not proper procedure, according to the DoJ:"

well OK I guess, but ICE is not a component of DOJ so I don't think that gets you anywhere. 😄 ICE is a component of DHS, which has a more lenient policy regarding use of deadly force against operators of vehicles. DHS does not require its officers to move out of an oncoming vehicle's path prior to firing in self-defense. If you're hoping for administrative sanctions against the shooter, you have to refer to the correct administration! 😄

I think the correct analytical framework here is the good old criminal law of self-defense. If the shooter's fear was not objectively reasonable, then the shooting was a crime. 😆

@47 A silly false claim that I said I was "a leftist who hates trump". I'm an independent, and I don't hate anyone, just didn't vote for him.

51 don’t believe any of that either but that’s neither here nor there bc you’re the biggest bootlicker here

Here's a video circulating on X that purporting to be a video of the incident from a different angle. But note the large yards with trees along the street that might be a park. Portland Ave at the location where the shooting occurred doesn't have houses with large front yards.

https://x.com/i/status/2009263907102163442

@48 it’s idiots like DSA / punish Harris crowd that gave us the current administration (but I forgot, the orange piece of shit doesn’t have a catchy nickname like genocide Joe).

@45, As a legal matter, you are correct. It would be permissible.

The fact that it doesn't happen, is evidence that facts and circumstances are juat different enough for yhr person in the crosswalk to believe the driver will stop or they will escape. If course many get hit and suffer serious physical injury or die, showing they would have been legally justified to use deadly force.

@45,

Neale's myopic reply @55 there provides irrefutably compelling evidence that the last three words from your comment surely would've been sufficient.

@54: Good luck with that. As of this moment, ICE has taken more responsibility for the violent and needless death of Renee Nicole Good than the "punish Harris" crowd ever will for another term of Trump. The "punish Harris" crowd lives in a world where a major-party US presidential candidate will seriously consider an arms embargo against an ally in a time of war. That is not the real world, nor even a plausible fantasy version of it, but the "punish Harris" crowd are far too chronically privileged for us to get them to live in the real world.

@21 and @40 Catalina Vel-DuRay: Agreed. ICE pigs are the new Storm Troopers, only dumber. They're not dispatched by the Orange Turd to think or act responsibly. They're terrorists ordered to spread violence, hatred, lies, and chaos at everyone's expense, kill, and obliterate.
When is this senselessly unhinged MAGA-fueled insanity going to end?

@54/57 Democrat leadership rub their chins while staring into the middle distance: "Are we so out of touch? No, it's the voters who are wrong!"

Incredible scenes tonight out of Mashhad, Iran, with demonstrators calling for Pahlavi(!), Trump(!!), and Netanyahu(!!!) to come to their aid against the maraji. 🔥 Keep fighting, Iranians! One day you will win! 💥

@59: I'm not a Democrat, and never have been, but thanks for demonstrating my point -- and with such alacrity, too!

@59 -- Bingo.
the "democratic"
party is utterly Beholden
to Corporate America &'ll
Never do Anything to upset
their hard-earned, longly-acquired
position as "The Party of Opposition."

they're fully aware
their corporate Masters'd
Pull the Plug with even thee Slightest
Hint of opposing the Pinnacled of The Food Chain:

see: Upton Sinclair:

"It's Hard aF to get a man
to Understand something, when hi$
$alary Totally Depend$ on hi$ NOT under-$tanding it."

so, they Deflect and
Always. Blame. the Voters.

and, who can Blame them!?
I mean, they've GOT the
Cushiest of Jobs!

And, Luckily, for Them,
NEVER based on their,
nor OUR, Success!

great comment!

@61

NO one's accusing you of
being a leader in the 'democratic'
party, wormmy, the only Leading you do
around here is Directly INTO bibi nutnyahoo's
never-ending, ever-Growing plethora of Genocidal War Crimes

but, that was Nicely-twisted
(and Well-wormed!),
even for you.

brava.

@20

you just made
The Wormtongue so
f'ing Proud of his creation

he's about to
Burst! do it
Again!

& maybe ol wormmy'll
do his very Best Mr.
Creosote imitation

These, Just In:

DHS Warns
Any Action By Americans
Will Be Treated As Domestic Terrorism

https://theonion.com/dhs-warns-any-action-by-americans-will-be-treated-as-domestic-terrorism/

and:

Kristi Noem Calls Fatal Minneapolis Shooting Cathartic

https://theonion.com/kristi-noem-calls-fatal-minneapolis-shooting-cathartic/

and, Finally:

RFK Jr.
Recommends Drinking
Anything That Comes Out Of Cow

https://theonion.com/rfk-jr-recommends-drinking-anything-that-comes-out-of-cow

Warning: NOT From 'the Onion'!

from Caitlin's Newsletter
on Substack:

These Abuses Will Continue Until People Force Them To Stop

All these abuses
are going to continue
until the people rise up
and force them to stop.

Western governments are going to get more and more authoritarian.

Police forces are going to get more and more militarized and murderous.

Freedom of speech is going to be crushed with more and more aggression.

Military budgets are going to get more and more bloated.

The imperial war machine
is going to get more and more
belligerent, genocidal and expansionist.

The gap between the rich and the poor
is going to keep growing and growing.

People are going to get more and more
miserable and mentally unhealthy.

The systems we use to gather information
about our world are going to get more
and more tightly controlled
by the powerful.

The extraction of resources and labor
from the global south will get more
and more abusive and overt.

The biosphere we depend on for survival is going to get closer and closer to death.

How do we know this will happen?
Because that’s all that’s been happening.
This is all the US-led capitalist world order has ever been doing.

This is all they have to offer us.
More and more murder and abuse
is the only item on the menu we’ve been handed.

We can’t vote our way out of this dilemma.
How do we know? Because we’ve been trying
to vote our way out of it for generations.

The whole system is locked down.
The abuses have been baked into the cake.
Everything about our civilization has been rigged
to ensure the wealthy and powerful get more and more
wealth and power while everyone else gets more and more

poverty, exhaustion, ignorance, and insanity.

The only unlocked door
out of this dystopian nightmare
is the people using the power of their
numbers to force real change. There are
a whole lot more of us than there are of the tyrants

who are inflicting these abuses
upon our world, and they
know it, and they fear us.

They know they can’t murder and imprison us all.
They know they’re out of here as soon as
we decide revolution is preferable
to tolerating their abuse.

We can take the steering wheel out of their hands
whenever we want. We don’t have to ask.

We can just take it.

There are too many of us,
and too few of them.

I’m just going to
keep pointing this out un-
til I see it move into the fore-
front of our society’s awareness.

--by Caitlin Johnstone; January 8th, 2025

oodles, baby:
https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/
https://www.youtube.com/@CaitlinJohnstone

“Seven Hills Park is still closed.”

Over at CHS, the link shows us what civic dialogue looks like:

‘Ideas raised during the Seven Hills community session included increased maintenance, forming volunteer and “friends of” groups, and, one attendee suggested, “replacing all the dirt” in Seven Hills after years of camping and drug use.’

Remember when the Stranger would engage in open dialog about civic issues, including ones on Capitol Hill, instead of just firehosing everyone with propaganda about how the Stranger’s viewpoint is the only valid one? Good times!

People, distractions! Epstein, until the orange one is incarcerated. He just invaded Venezuela to get that off the front page and he will lend his Peace Prizes to the ICE agent for the newest distraction.

Also, are the 'punish Harris' people those of us who want peace in the middle east where Israel doesn't get to subjugate their neighbors with force and then ask the US to pay and clean up for them?

@66 -- "the 'punish Harris' people"?

Who can make
words mean different
things and twist Them and
Ideas into convoluted Pretzels?

Why, our
resident AIPAC
apologist aka thee
Wormtongue, that's who!

Bingo. wormmy's just attempting
to Distract us from His Com-
plicity in helping get the
djt elected. Do you
think it's Working?

Anyone that watches those videos and thinks that was a justifiable shooting is a batshit crazy idiot.

@61 no your the useful idiot who swallows their bullshit deflection and then regurgitates it all over the internet

Agreed, #68. Shocked/not shocked at how many bots?actual batshit crazy idiots? are arguing this is a justifiable murder. As a child in school, I never understood how so many people had Holocaust camps in their own backyards and then denied their existence. I get it now. Their relatives are posting on this site.

@66: “People, distractions! Epstein, until the orange one is incarcerated. He just invaded Venezuela to get that off the front page”

I miss the days when right-wing morons were the only morons foaming at the mouth over Epstein 🤪

@61: If the 2020 electorate had voted in 2024, we'd now have a President Harris. Too bad progressives spent that latter election year making loud accusations of "genocide" against Israel and the Democrats, eh? (C'mon, shout "Genocide Joe!" with pride again!)

@66:"Also, are the 'punish Harris' people..."

The "punish Harris" people are the ones who agreed with former Seattle CM Sawant, when she advocated for voters to "punish" Harris and to "defeat" her because of Gaza. Well, Harris was defeated, so we have Trump; congratulations to Sawant and her like-minded followers. Take a bow, each and every one of you!

"...who want peace in the middle east where Israel doesn't get to subjugate their neighbors with force..."

Assuming those two statements are even compatible -- and decades of experience suggests they are not, unless the "From the River to the Sea" people just finally STFU already -- it is at least refreshing to read you admit you never actually cared about the Palestinians. Now, we already knew that, because when Hamas rounded up Palestinian civilians in Gaza and mowed them down with gunfire, you didn't make so much as one tiny peep of protest. But your candor does feel nice.

@72 "If the 2020 electorate had voted in 2024, we'd now have a President Harris. Too bad [Harris and the DNC failed to earn those necessary votes]"

Ftfy

@73: Yeah, we well recall you trying hard to get them some votes, recognizing that anyone was better than Trump.

You have all the credibility of an arsonist, complaining about the inefficacy of the fire department.

@74

and
here
comes
wormmy
Calling in
False Alarm
after False Alarm:
it's not Actual Genocide
when there's a HAMAS! Behind
EVERY Civilian, olde man, woman or Child!

and a Sleeper Cell in EVERY Medical institution

oh! Wait -- there ARE NO MORE CLINICS and
maybe one or two fully functioning Hospitals
and Doctors and Nurses and Life Saving
Equipment's Pretty Much ALL
Been Eliminated

because there was a HAMAS
inside Every. Single. ONE.

which is Painful,
as Fuck, specially
if you're a Doctor.

"You have all the credibility
of an arsonist, complaining about
the inefficacy of the fire department."

--@the Wormtongue, projecting
and Earning his Moniker
with his every lie.

ten percent of Gazans've
been killed or severly
wounded. were it
America, that's

more than 35,000,000 people.

THIRTY FIVE MILLION HUMAN BEINGS.

tell us, How Many Died
on October 7, 2022?
which you'll go to
the ENDS of the
World to tell
US that That
IS GENOCIDE

tell us Again,
wormmy, help
make Us Believe:

it's
just
genocide
""""""lite""""""!

we Need to
fucking Hear
it yet once again.