'Women don't want to work at SPD'
'The boys club is staying for the boys.'

Choose your narrative

@1: Both statements are correct.

@2: But with a different tone.

@3...
Now you are worried about tone? That's rich.

@3 maybe because you made up the first one?

nvm i see it’s in the headline

Reminder it's not only ICE that uses chemical weapons on children:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/15/outrage-video-police-mace-child-seattle-protest

@5: Both are quotes.

Let's try this again - in a cop-hating Slog style:

It's unfortunate that more women don't want to work at SPD, as it only permeates the boys club mentality and SPOG is just fine with it and will go on with their misogynist ways without abandon.

"The NYT analyzed videos from Good's killing and determined that she did not run over her killer, ICE agent Jonathan Ross, will her car."

The legal standard in Minnesota (as in Washington and 49 other states) does not require her to have hit him for him to use deadly force. It doesn't even require that he was at actual risk of being struck.

It only requires reasonable belief that they would be struck.

"609.065 JUSTIFIABLE TAKING OF LIFE.

The intentional taking of the life of another is not authorized by section
except when necessary in resisting or preventing an offense which the actor REASONABLY BELIEVES exposes the actor or another to great bodily harm or death."

I can't speak to jury instruction in Minnesota, but here is the REQUIRED jury instruction in Washington State with it's identical "reasonable belief" standard:

"WPIC 16.07 Justifiable Homicide—Actual Danger Not Necessary

A person is entitled to act on appearances in defending [himself] [herself] [another], if that person believes in good faith and on reasonable grounds that [he] [she] [another] is in actual danger of great personal injury, although it afterwards might develop that the person was mistaken as to the extent of the danger." https://www.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.contentDisplay&location=PatternJuryInstructions

All of you here profess to be anti-fascist and pro-democracy. How about we use the legal standard adopted by democratically elected legislatures, and jury instructions of democratically elected state judges.

When The Stranger substitutes a legal standard contrary to law, they are being anti-democracy, and pushing misinformation.

From the McStabby's story:

"But the streets surrounding it are a shadow of their clean and bustling selves from Seattle's 1990s heyday."

British conservative rag thinks back in the 90s there were no homeless using opiates in Seattle, you can't make this up.

can you say
Icestapo Escalates
till there's Mayhem every-
Where? not to worry! THEY CAN.

what can Stop it!!???

Why, WE CAN:

General Strike.

'but won't that hurt some people?'

how may more're gonna
haft Die before we
realize that we

the peeps out-
number them by >
one hundred to one.

@11, A general strike is a legitimate 1A exercise. It doesn't mean your employer won't discipline or fire you, but it's an acceptable 1A tactic.

@11: Add a candle in the window and play Joan Baez and Country Joe McDonald from the Woodstock album.

"... assuming the independent party is just an arm of the Republican party"

God forbid a group of people can't stand either party and stand up for themselves. What a quick way to turn people off and stop taking your reporting seriously.

I think I saw city officials visit to that Ballard encampment off the Burke Gilman Trail, no news cameras but it looked like city officials checking it out and talking to homeless people. Kudos to Mayor Wilson for nixing that sweep. For anyone not in the know, sweeps simply move encampments maybe a block or two. Or less. In November the city swept the encampment at the trail next to Fred Meyers and the encampment simply moved 50' down the trail next to the coffee stand... so dumb. At various times the city has swept the trail at NW 40th, 41st, 42nd, 43rd, 44th, 45th, and up and down the trail and Leary… Pattern recognition time Seattle, this movement is all just a stupid waste of city resources and people pushing sweeps need to defend its senselessness. Movement with no purpose is not just a waste of city resources, it’s inhumane to the people who live there. To the humanity point, the city should provide garbage and port-a-potty service at encampments that aren't immediately swept. Hopefully garbage services can help keep refuge at bay, a port-a-potty will be more sanitary, and taxpayers can rest-assured the city will be cleaning it up eventually so there is no money to be saved by failing to provide garbage and port-a-potty services.

Taking the light rail from Northgate I could see the gridlock on I-5 South, but the link was also beyond capacity. Multiple trains passed before I could squeeze in and we left people on the platform at every stop until Capitol Hill.

I love that so many people are taking transit but it’s also highlighting that we just don’t have the transit capacity for all the people who want to take it, and so we’ll still have people in cars.

@16, Light rail is not the only transit. Buses are transit. They are stuck in the traffic you observed. So I-5 isn't just about cars, its about transit. Even NYC and Paris don't run rail everywhere people want to go.

@14 that is a paraphrased quote from party officials who voted to disband in part for that reason

@9: "I can't speak to jury instruction in Minnesota, but here is the REQUIRED jury instruction in Washington State"

Well apparently, you also can't speak to jury instruction in Washington, because the Washington Pattern Jury Instructions—Criminal are not "required jury instruction." But hey, don't take my word it! 😁 Let's all read what the instructions themselves have to say on the matter:

"The pattern instructions are not authoritative primary sources of the law; rather, they restate otherwise existing law for jurors. The pattern instructions do not receive advance approval from any court, although they are often treated as “persuasive.” See, e.g., State v. Mills, 116 Wn.App. 106, 64 P.3d 1253 (2003), reversed on other grounds, 154 Wn.2d 1, 109 P.3d 415 (2005). Judicial review of the instructions instead occurs after the fact, when individual instructions are reviewed in appellate opinions. The pattern instructions are not binding on trial courts; they are intended to guide trial courts in drafting appropriate instructions for individual cases."
WPIC 0.10 (Introduction to Washington's Pattern Jury Instructions for Criminal Cases)

Not authoritative primary sources? Not binding on the trial courts? Drafting appropriate instructions for individual cases? Ouch, dude! 😂 How is it that you are always lecturing everyone on points of civics and law, even though you consistently screw up points of civics and law? 🤣

At any rate, no one on this site (other than you apparently, lol) is failing to rely on a correct legal standard for judging the Minneapolis ICE shooting. We are applying the correct standard, which is reasonable belief of imminent bodily harm or death. The officer's shooting fails to meet that standard, because a reasonable person would not have thought that vehicle was about to kill him at the time he shot the driver. The officer's subjective, personal, unreasonable fears (if he even had any) do not give him license to kill—and that rule comes straight from our democratically elected state legislatures, so if you disagree with thumpus it means you hate democracy 😂😂😂

@11 -- "A single death
is a tragedy; a million
deaths is a statistic."

"If you've Nothing to Hide
what the Fuck is there
to be Afraid of?"

--იოსებ ბესარიონის ძე ჯუღაშვილი
aka Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili
aka Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin
aka Just call me Stalin*

"You're a funny guy, KKoolie.
I like you. That's why I'm
going to kill you
last."

--Arnold Schwarzenegger
aka John Sully

maybe
there'll be
a few candles!

*or was it C.
Bonespurs?

General Strike.
Or Bust.

@15 counterpoint. Allowing people to take over public/private property with encampments and then make them as comfortable as possible gives them zero incentive to ever leave or come inside. There are many reports of campers who refuse services even when offered because they prefer to live the rugged, free lifestyle where they can continue to shoot up unfettered. It's great to be compassionate but as usual the focus is 100% on the campers and 0% on the impacts to the surrounding community that has to put up with the crime, filth and public disorder that comes with these encampments. @7 above is complaining about a child that was harmed by law enforcement and yet we have kids living in squalor in these encampments or being sexually assaulted and the meet them where they are at crowd says we should continue doing what we are doing.

https://komonews.com/news/local/seattle-homeless-man-arrested-for-kidnapping-rape-of-5-year-old-girl

@15 -- re Schweeps, and Seattle's Progressive Mayor:

"Movement with no purpose*
is not just a waste of city resources,
it’s inhumane to the people who live there.

To the humanity point, the city should provide
garbage and port-a-potty service at
encampments that aren't
immediately swept.

Hopefully garbage services can
help keep [refuse] at bay, a port-a-potty
will be more sanitary, and taxpayers can rest-assured
the city will be cleaning it up eventually so there is no money
to be saved by failing to provide garbage and port-a-potty services."

--Bingo and Bravissimo, JMath!

*it helps our Reactionaires
Deal with their Feelings
of Oppression,
Mandatory

Plus, they get to, gleefully, point out,
as HIGHLY MORAL PERSONAGES
That, from Their Lofty Perches,
THEY DON'T DO DRUGS!

at least, Not
in Public.

a city providing garbage pick up and sanitation services are defacto permission for camps to occupy public land. there are probably ordinances about not doing that sort of thing on public property - but don't ask me to cite chapter and verse.

@15: "it’s inhumane to the people who live there."

It's inhumane if we DON'T sweep. I can't think of anything more inhumane than enabling trash piles to proliferate, rats to flourish, damages to the environment, fire hazards from labs, child sex exploitation, and dead bodies to fester. All of these ills have been documented in Seattle encampments.

Andrea Suarez should be mayor. She's right, as problematic as it is - periodic sweeps are necessary.

@19, The WPIC are promulgated by Washington's Supreme Court.

As you are aware, and are deflecting from, prosecutors and defense spar over what instructions from the menu of available WPIC gets given to the jury; however, they spar over few of them. Most are non-controversial and not contested by either side.

You are also aware custom jury instructions are rare in criminal cases. Custom instructions are introduced and debated in motions when standard WPIC does not fit a particular fact pattern or circumstance.

You are also aware that a faulty inclusion or omission of a Criminal WPIC, or custom criminal instruction, is often the basis for appeal and overturning a conviction.

You are also aware that courts attempt to operate with judicial efficiency, so Judges tend to not reinvent the wheel with something other than WPIC without a compelling reason. Courts also respect precedent, so if it was done before in a similar case, it's what will be done in this one.

So your citation is correct, as is your characterization of the function of WPIC as not making law, but in the theoretical sense, not de facto court and legal practice. De facto, WPIC is required, or bad things happen on appeal.

In a case like this, denying a defense motion for the inclusion of the Minnesota equivalent WPIC 16.07, or a substantively similar custom instruction, would be nearly certain grounds for successful appeal of a conviction. The Judge doesn't want to get overturned. The prosecution doesn't want a conviction overturned. It's a requirement to get in to prevent successful appeal.

"The NYT analyzed videos from Good's killing and determined that she did not run over her killer, ICE agent Jonathan Ross, will her car."

The quote above from The Stranger, is an open argument to use a non-legal, non-democratically adopted standard to evaluate possible criminality in this case. Since actual threat is not the standard in Minnesota Law (or Washington), it is open use of narrative to steer readers and evaluators of this case to a non-democratic, and legally irrelevant, standard. We have, by democratic means, agreed on the standards to be used to criminally evaluate the conduct in Minneapolis. It's anti-democratic and misinformation to suggest that actual threat is the standard of evaluation.

This case is ripe for reform of DHS use of force procedures. Its the poster child for allowing Good's survivors a reasonable path (that currently does not exist considering procedural and common law hurdles) to Federal Civil Court to allege negligence. It is ripe for Congressional hearings and possible changes to law.

It's an uphill battle in Minnesota Criminal Court (or Washington, if a case with this fact pattern occurred here), and should be unless we democratically alter the standards for permitting the use of less than deadly, and deadly force in self-defense.

but
what
We're DOING
is ARGUING OVER
THE FUCKING SYMPTOMS

the Problem is The
System our cunning,
rich and powerful socio-
and psychopaths've installed

allowing them* to live amongst us,
sorta, and not Hafta PAY FOR
what the Citizenry Requires
to live and Thrive as
Human fucking
Beings.

*THEY ARE THE
TRUE Free-
loaders.

not those who are merely
the symptoms of our
stupid system.

@25: "The WPIC are promulgated by Washington's Supreme Court."

No, they are not. 😆 Once again, let's read what the instructions themselves have to say:

"While often commending the Committee's work to the bench and bar, the Court does not review or formally adopt the instructions."
(Washington Pattern Jury Instructions—Criminal, Preliminary Materials)

Does not review or formally adopt? Ouch again, dude! 😅 If you don't know what you're talking about, then why do you keep on talking? 😂

Moving on to the rest of your comment, it too is mostly wrong. 😁 Quick highlight reel:

It is not the case that the pattern instructions constitute a "menu" from which the parties must select. Instead, they are a starting point from which the court will draft the actual instructions.

It is not the case that most jury instructions are "non-controversial and not contested by either side." Instead, disputes over instructions are commonplace.

It is not the case that "custom jury instructions are rare in criminal cases." Instead, instructions that deviate from the pattern are common.

It is not the case that if a particular instruction was "done before in a similar case, it's what will be done in this one." Instead, each case is unique and instructions must be tailored accordingly.

It is not the case that "denying a defense motion for the inclusion of the Minnesota equivalent WPIC 16.07, or a substantively similar custom instruction, would be nearly certain grounds for successful appeal of a conviction." Instead, a conviction may be overturned if the instruction was not adequate to inform the jurors of the relevant law to be applied, a question that cannot be assessed at this point because there have been no instructions. Indeed, there is not yet even a jury to instruct! 😁 The pattern instructions may or may not fit the Minneapolis case, but there is no way to know until we have heard the case.

It is not the case that use of pattern instructions is "a requirement to get in to prevent successful appeal." Instead, the standard is whether the instruction given correctly states the law that is relevant to the case.

At any rate, that's enough to give you the gist. I'm not sure how you ended up fixated so strongly on pattern jury instructions, but your understanding of what they are, where they come from, and how they are used is fundamentally mistaken. It is OK not to know things, but why would you try to camouflage your ignorance by making stuff up? 😆 Hallucinatory claims don't make you sound smarter, they make you sound dumber! 🤣

@25 you're so bad at this that thumpus, who barely knows what he's talking about, is running circles around you. Jury instructions are only "required" when they fit the facts. If the ICE agent had instead walked up behind Good's wife, who was outside the car, and shot her in he back of the head no court in the country would give a self defense instruction. There needs to be evidentiary support, which may exist in this case, but that's an individualized fact-specific determination.

If there was ever any questionable homicide case where neale didn’t believe the killing was justified, he has never said so here. His interpretation of all other facts pertaining to each case work backwards from the conclusion that the killing was lawful, and no amount of explanation will lead him to the light, however valiantly one might try.

@28~that the Wormtongue's
ai sidekick so lightly 'out-smarts'
our mister magoo surely bodes poorly

not to mention All our future
power-supplies dedicated solely to the
support of ai's (& cyrptocurrency's) existence

with a psychotic madman making
fossil fuels Great Again, and
gott DAMM the "stupid
Biosphere"!

and so it goes

@28, Bullet through the windshield. Front.

There is case precedent (supplied yesterday at end of thread) that reaction time must be considered from when the threat was reasonably perceived to have ended, to when actions cease.

When a user of a semi-automatic handgun is triggered three times a second (normal and well documented for defensive shooters) in response to threat, using the King County/Seattle example of the difference between when that video shows the gun dropped and when the officer stopped firing due to human reaction time, which was .67 later, two additional shots would be fired in the Minneapolis case. The allowance for reaction time in our local case, and other factors, meant reasonable doubt could not be overcome to permit a charge in the King County case. There are similar consideration in other cases from jurisdictions across the U.S., making it fair game in the Minnesota Case.

So back to Minneapolis. One shot through the front. Even if it were reasonable (which dueling experts for prosecution and defense would certainly argue and dueling expert testimony leads to reasonable doubt), for the officer to conclude after that first shot that he was no longer at risk of the rest of the vehicle causing great personal injury from fishtailing, getting snagged on the rear fender as it passed, slipping under the rear tire, etc., he is still going to fire at least two additional shots in the .67 seconds following that recognition, and when his fingers muscles catch up to the recognition the threat ended. Dueling expert testimony and studies will give longer and shorter allowances for that reaction time (providing a reasonable range), creating more dueling testimony of when a reasonable officer in that situation would recognize an end to the threat of serious physical injury, etc. More dueling experts is more reasonable doubt.

A criminal prosecutor should only bring a case they can prove BEYOND the reasonable doubt that would be introduced by the studies and expert testimony above.

@27, Pattern Jury Instructions exist for judicial efficiency and because the issues and facts of each case are broadly "rinse, wash, repeat," after hundreds or thousands of them. No two cases are exactly identical; however, they have far more similarity than difference to some prior case that was like, but not identical. WPIC is an effort by the courts and the BAR to pre-think and per-determine judicially sufficient instructions for common fact patterns in these cases, given the current laws of any given legislature.

De facto, WPIC is highly relied on. Differing from it, or contradicting it, in a case with a similar fact pattern to some prior case where it was used is going to have an appeal motion filed that says something like the WPIC for cases with a fact pattern and applicable law to this case was "X" and the Court used "Y" in err. It's not a slam dunk that that the appeal wins (there may be facts in the record that justified a different instruction) but it is often successful.

So WPIC (and state's counterpart) is the de facto starting position. The Judge that varies from it, better have a strong set of unique facts to hang all over the judicial record and his ruling to justify giving a different instruction.

More billable hours by the defense counsel is a reason to argue to reinvent the wheel and use something else. A deviation from norms for instruction in prior cases with similar fact patter also could introduce arguments that defense counsel was inadequate as a basis for appeal. More hours dedicated to the matter before them, is a distinctiveness for Judge who has parties being denied justice as his docket clogs up over one case, and for the prosecutor.

"Wilson's other executive order directed city departments to speed up the creation of emergency shelter and housing options"

What visionary leadership from our new mayor! An executive order to work faster! That will certainly be the missing ingredient that eluded previous administrations.

They discussed the Ballard encampment on KUOW this noon. All the panelists noted how vague her "plan" was (study the problem, form a team, work with regional partners). Also not discussed by the mayor is what to do when people refuse shelter. During an April sweep of a nearby encampment few people accepted the shelter offers, complaining that the offers didn't meet their expectations, so they just went down the street.

https://komonews.com/news/local/seattle-homeless-camp-cleared-but-many-relocate-just-blocks-away-in-ballard-houseless-tent-camping-crisis-drugs-downtown-seattle-ballard-neighborhood-business-community-outreach-program-taxes

@31: "Differing from it, or contradicting it, in a case with a similar fact pattern to some prior case where it was used is going to have an appeal motion filed that says something like the WPIC for cases with a fact pattern and applicable law to this case was "X" and the Court used "Y" in err. It's not a slam dunk that that the appeal wins (there may be facts in the record that justified a different instruction) but it is often successful."

No. This is not the correct standard for appellate review of jury instructions. With one exception (namely, WPIC 4.01), there is no requirement to use the WPIC pattern instructions in a particular case, even if the case has a similar fact pattern to a different case in which the WPIC pattern instructions were used. Just in case you were wondering, here is the actual standard for jury instructions, articulated in State v. Bennett, 161 Wn.3d 303 (2007):

Instructions must convey to the jury that the State bears the burden of proving every essential element of a criminal offense beyond a reasonable doubt. Jury instructions must define reasonable doubt and clearly communicate that the State carries the burden of proof. Instructions must also properly inform the jury of the applicable law, not mislead the jury, and permit each party to argue its theory of the case. It is not error to refuse to give a specific instruction when a more general instruction adequately explains the law and allows each party to argue its theory of the case. It is reversible error to instruct the jury in a manner relieving the State of its burden to prove every element of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt.

If you do all that, then you've got a good jury instruction. Doesn't matter what the instruction was in someone else's case, only matters whether the instruction in your case meets this standard. 😉

This stuff is neither complicated nor mysterious. 😃 Why do you persist in inventing your own procedures and laws, when the actual procedures and laws are available online for anyone to look up for free? 😄 Wouldn't you be happier knowing you got it right, rather than making something up? 😁

@29,

I’ve come to realize this must be comic and eerily similar to what it’s like to be a reporter who’s gotten the chance to interview trump. Once they’ve made up their mind about something, there is absolutely no amount of objectively verifiable and indisputably accurate information one can present to either one of these stubborn asses that they’ll accept as proof that they’re wrong.

I’ve always felt bad for those reporters and wondered how surreal and infuriatingly frustrating it must be to be in their position, though I’ve gotta figure Neale provides us with at least some sort of basis for comparison. At the end of the day I guess we can at least take solace in the fact that our stubborn, obnoxious fuckwit is merely a lowly, online loser, and not out here crafting international policy mandates.

@34: it’s like talking to a large language model. 😄 It doesn’t really understand what it’s saying, it just strings together likely-sounding words. 😁 Even when you explain to it why it’s wrong, it still doesn’t really understand. 😝

@15: "To the humanity point, the city should provide garbage and port-a-potty service at encampments that aren't immediately swept. Hopefully garbage services can help keep refuge [sic] at bay, a port-a-potty will be more sanitary, and taxpayers can rest-assured the city will be cleaning it up eventually so there is no money to be saved by failing to provide garbage and port-a-potty services."

This was tried -- in Ballard, and on the Ballard Commons, no less. The encampment grew to immense size, and did not go away until after it was swept. Repeatedly.

More than ten years into the Homelessness Crisis, and Seattle's long-suffering residents keep receiving the exact same non-solutions, delivered as smugly condescending lectures from persons who just keep on saying their failed 'solutions' simply MUST work this time.

@12, @13: Quelle surprise, kristo keeps right on yelling for a general strike. Is it still just Minnesota, or does he want to immiserate even more Americans because, um, ICE and Trump will most certainly think liberal cities going without food or fuel in Winter is a bad thing?

@36 ~ yeah
Wormtongue
let us worry about
starving to death this
Winter whilst Icestapo
carts Citizens off to who
knows where by who knows
whom and thedjt cancels Elections

it's bad enough
you being tS's AIPAC
mouthpiece - working
for trumpf, telling us to
keep our big mouths shut

from New York state, because
'you used to Live here'?

don't exercise our Rights be-
cause thedjt'll steal our
food -- just like Israel
from the Gazans?

I guess if Anyone'd
know it'd be You

@36

speaking of Oh my God
we CANNOT Oppose
Cadet Bonespurs
won't Someone
Think of The
CHILDREN:

Minnesota Unions
Call For Mass Work Stoppage --
Build All-Out Strike Against ICE On 1/23!

“The army
Trump is building
right now in Minneapolis
to deport people is the same army
Trump will use to crush the unions. This is why
we’re calling for a day without shopping or work [on Jan 23rd].”

--Greg Nammacher, President of SEIU Local 26

In the midst of what’s been called the largest anti-immigration operation in the US—after the murder of Renee Good by an ICE agent—a coalition of Minneapolis/St. Paul unions and community organizations have issued a call for “No work, no school, no shopping” across Minnesota on Friday, January 23.

The more than 50 organizations
that have signed on so far are demanding
ICE out of the state, prosecution of the ICE agent
who killed Renee Good, and no additional federal funding for ICE.

This call for a work stoppage is enormously positive, and
it’s precisely the escalatory step our movement
needs to build towards a decisive victory
against Trump’s deportation machine.

Socialist Alternative is building
for the biggest possible participation in
actions on January 23, in Minnesota and across the country.

--by Chris Gray, Robbinsdale Federation of Teachers
Adam Burch, Amalgamated Transit Union Local 1005
Luke Gitar, Minneapolis Federation of Educators Local 59
Lydia Anthony, Minnesota Association of Professional Employees Local 801
Ryan Timlin, Amalgamated Transit Union Local 1005 (all writing in personal capacity)

oodles:
https://www.socialistalternative.org/2026/01/14/build-all-out-strike-against-ice-on-1-23/

you're a big Transit Union guy,
aren't you, Wormtongue
a Shop Foreman, isn't
that what you
claimed?

or have you abandoned your Brethren
like you abandoned Seattle?

but
by All
Means
keep coming
Up with More
Reasons why "it'll
make us all STARVE!"

you have no Compunctions
when it comes to Israel's
starving Gazans, worm-
my. why aren't you at
least Consistent?

An Urgently-Needed Escalation

Thousands of people
are heroically working around the clock
in rapid response networks, which have played a key role in impeding ICE’s efforts.

But ICE is also finding ways to overwhelm them.

For example,
when people follow ICE vehicles,
honking their horns to warn neighbors, ICE
has started kettling them in alleyways, threatening and detaining people.

When tens of thousands marched in Minneapolis
over the weekend, ICE turned their focus else-
where and raided neighboring St. Paul.

This does not change the fact that mass demonstrations
are a crucial part of building this fightback, but
it does mean we need to step up our tactics.

Many have already drawn the correct conclusion
that the movement needs an offensive strategy,
but there are limits to what can be achieved
without the full power of the working class.

There have been widespread discussions
about the need to shut things down.
Hundreds of students have walked
out and clashed with ICE, again
facing severe repression.

Teachers have called in sick.

Many workplaces have already closed to protect workers.

However,
until now these actions
have been dispersed and uncoordinated.

Union members have played individual roles throughout
the movement, but apart from rallies, the organized
labor movement as a whole has not yet
fully put its stamp on the fightback.

This is why a strong one-day work stoppage on January 23
would be a huge step forward for the movement.
The only way Trump will back down is if we
shut down the profits of his billionaire
buddies, and that means
going on strike.

The Twin Cities are home
to the headquarters of massive corporations
like Target, US Bank, 3M, Honeywell, Cargill and Medtronic.

We need to shut them down,
along with the metropolis that makes
them work, including buses and schools.

oodles:
https://www.socialistalternative.org/2026/01/14/build-all-out-strike-against-ice-on-1-23/

why do you want ICE, or, as
I like to call them. Icestapo
(like the Gestapo, get it?)
to Succeed, wormmy?

Why do You want to
Shut Down what may be
our Last, BEST Hope to end.
or, at least, put the Brakes on
Cadet Bonespurs's mad Dash

to a Fascist America?

What's In It
For You?

Spread The Strike, Take Down Trump

Workers and students outside the Twin Cities shouldn’t just watch from afar.

To shut down ICE nationwide will take escalating the fightback coast to coast: we need a nationwide strike. Workers across the country could start by picketing strategic places like hotel chains that house ICE in the Twin Cities, organize school walkouts, and build for all-out mass rallies on January 23 in solidarity with the Twin Cities.

ICE’s brutal occupation of the Twin Cities has made the question of striking a reality here, and we need that momentum to carry across the country. The only force that can defeat Trump is not the Democratic Party or the courts, but the working class, and it will take nationwide strike action to deal him a decisive blow.

Trump is leading a nationalist, racist, authoritarian regime hell-bent on enriching corporations and starting wars. His regime is part of a global phenomenon rooted in the crisis of capitalism, which the ruling classes are trying to blast their way out of through imperialist war and nationalist terror campaigns.

Trump, and the others like him around the world, won’t back down unless we make him. The only language he knows is power, and the most powerful weapon working-class people have is our power to shut down the capitalist economy.

Through organizing mass political strike action, our movement can gain the experience we need to go further—driving ICE out of Minnesota may require sustained mass strike action that creates a political and economic emergency for the Trump regime.

oodles:
https://www.socialistalternative.org/2026/01/14/build-all-out-strike-against-ice-on-1-23/

@29 Neale=SPOG?

@36

"Quelle surprise, kristo keeps right on yelling for a general strike.

Is it still just Minnesota,
or does he want to immiserate

["immiserate' wormmy"?
is That what I'm calling for?
the Immiseration of 'even More
Americans? what the actual Fuck are
you even Talking about? 'Immiseration'?]

Cadet Bonespurs'S Icestapo
is SEIZING People in PEACEFUL
DEMONSTRATIONS, HANDCUFFING
THEM, AND THE BEATING THE HOLY S H I T
OUT OF THEM -- and You have the Gall to Accuse
ME of 'IMMISERATING' THE AMERICA PEOPLE? WTFF"]

even more Americans because,
um, ICE and Trump will most
certainly think liberal cities
going without food or
fuel in Winter is
a bad thing?"

tensorna on January 16, 2026 at 7:21 PM

so,
let's
just What,
Lie Back and
FUCKING TAKE IT?

Is THAT WHAT YOU THINK

"WE SHOULD!" DO, WORMTONGUE?

fuck you
all the way back
to fucking new york.

At the end of kristo's slop of scrollpasta (@38-@41) comes a URL for Socialist Alternative. So, kristo either is, or is (dys)functionally equivalent to, Calvin Priest. Well, that nicely explains kristo's relentless Sawantista dead-ender-ism.

The way to avoid all this was to prevent Trump's re-election. But GAZA GAZA GAZA GAZA, so we're stuck with this for awhile. Mobilizing to elect Democratic majorities in either or both Houses of Congress is the obvious next step, but Sawantistas by definition endlessly get their hate on the Democrats, so instead they now advocate Granny-starvation in dead of Winter. Priceless.

(Next up, yet another YOU MUST TAKE ME SERIOUSLY!! whine from our useless local dead-enders.)

@41: "Trump is leading a nationalist, racist, authoritarian regime hell-bent on enriching corporations and starting wars."

Enriching corporations enriches our portfolios.
Donald is not a racist.
Donald hasn't started any wars.
We are in a constitutional republic, not an authoritarian regime.
Dems and libs are nationalists too. It's just another word for populism.
Calm down folks! Everything's going to be just fine!

@44 -- from our less
than useless east
coast dead-
ender:

(yet another YOU
MUST TAKE ME
SERIOUSLY
whine):

'they
now advocate
Granny-starvation
in dead of Winter. Priceless.'

tensorna on January 17, 2026 at 7:16 AM

whilst the
Wormtongue
advocates for the
Icestapo to just be nice

and for Us to just
STFUA & bend
the fuck Over
Until fucking
November

or so

cuz

the Dems're
gonna Fix All This!
soon as the Progressives
quit being Mean to 'Centrists.'

be Nice to ICE
and they'll
be Nice
to You.

in Other words:
just shut the fuck up
and you'll likely live Longer

sure, you'll soon be
Handcuffed and Spat on
and they'll Kick the Holy Bejesus

out of ya,
but the Dems
(who got us here)
are. gonna. save. us.

not the Progressives!
😄 The fucking 😁
Centrists! 😉😉

yeah!
for Reals!

so, duck! here
comes (yet) another
Strongly Worded Letter! 😉

thanks, wormmy!

oh, and thanks
for giving us
Bonespurs.

@44 -- good call
on @45! the Kool-Aide
must've been Strong this AM

@47: Whenever you get down over Donald, just think of all the teenagers who still have their breasts and penises.

The reason there won’t be a general strike or that anything will change in the short term is because democrats and progressives have yet to offer an alternative to what is happening. Right now it seems to be shut down ICE and just go back to the status quo. That’s not what voters and the majority of Americans want. People feel that ICE is too heavy handed yet they also believe immigration enforcement is necessary

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/12/15/growing-shares-say-the-trump-administration-is-doing-too-much-to-deport-immigrants-in-the-us-illegally/

The policies of Biden on the border were a disaster and no one wants to go back to that. This is quickly becoming a “defund” moment for progressive and like the defund the police movement will end just as terribly for them. There was a video that popped up yesterday of a group in Minnesota who forced a videographer to open his car to prove he wasn’t ICE and then chastised him for renting an SUV

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/anti-ice-protesters-harass-random-man-for-crime-of-driving-a-chevy-suburban/ar-AA1UiVrq

I would ask how is this any better? What were they going to do if this guy was a federal officer? What if this guy hadn’t been cooperative? They are quickly becoming what they so held in contempt.

@50 Not sure where or when that video was taken but its very unlikely its MN given the absence of snow and the clothes the people are wearing.

Buying an Olympic gold medal does not mean I won an Olympic gold medal.

Who cares if someone was strong armed or truly gifted the orange piece of shit a trinket - the accomplishment is not the trinket.

Hennepin County Prosecutor Mary Moriarty has been burned before charging a cop with murder and manslaughter in a moving vehicle case. Her office later moved to dismiss their own case.

"In 2023, Minnesota state trooper Ryan Londregan was charged in Hennepin County District Court with second-degree murder, first-degree assault and second-degree manslaughter for the shooting death of Ricky Cobb II after Cobb attempted to flee a traffic stop.

Londregan’s partner was slightly inside the car when Cobb shifted the car into drive. Londregan said he believed Cobb was reaching for a weapon and shot him twice. Cobb died at the scene."

"She [later] dropped the case. She said that decision was not about her office “backing down” from holding law enforcement accountable for acts of brutality.

“We could theoretically prosecute this and just let the jury decide,” she told the Star Tribune in 2024. “However, we ethically can’t do that because we don’t believe at this point that we can disprove that affirmative defense.” https://archive.ph/rbpQy

She couldn't disprove the affirmative defense in that case, and she can't in the case of Renee Good. Both involve officers being threatened with "great bodily harm" by moving vehicles.

The time between when Renee Good puts the vehicle in forward and when the last shot is fired is about 4 seconds. In that seconds the officer had to reasonably appreciate he was at risk of "great bodily harm," wait on the reaction time delay for his hand to move and make his draw, wait for his legs to start slipping on the ice in an effort to move away, wait for his fingers to start squeezing to stop the threat, all while involuntary fight or flight reactions tunneled his vision so he was focused narrowly on the driver, his heart rate skyrocketed, his brain muted out his hearing, and fine motor control of things like his fingers began to degrade (all are know, documented effects of involuntary fight or flight).

That reaction time delay (well documented in human research) then worked in reverse after he made contact with the vehicle, was spun away and registered an end to the threat, meaning his body still continued to squeeze the trigger as it waited on the nervous system signals to stop firing to reach his fingers.

Good was shot twice in the right side of her right chest. That is unlikely unless the shots came through the front windshield. She was shot (milliseconds later according the audio of the incident and well within the reaction time noted above) in the left forearm which is consistent with a shot through the driver's window, and in her head (also within the reaction time noted above). https://abcnews.go.com/US/minneapolis-ice-shooting-minute-minute-timeline-renee-nicole/story?id=129021809

The problem with these cases is they unfold too damn quickly for any of the parties to do anything but react reflexively to threat based on whatever prior training and experience they have with a similar threat. There isn't time to rationally and analytically examine one's perception of the threat, or rationally and analytically examine one's perception. One's body movements in response to the threat are always catching up to the perception of beginning and end of threat, meaning the body carries on for a time with what it was previously signaled to do at the instant of threat start recognition and threat end recognition.

The amygdala is in charge, not the pre-frontal cortex, where we analyze. Response is instinctive and fast, not contemplative and analytical.

Both were moving vehicle cases causing officers to, "reasonably believe" they were exposed to, "great bodily harm." https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.065#:~:text=Section%20609.065%20of%20the%202025%20Minnesota%20Statutes,736%20s%201%20*%201986%20c%20444

The same issue of not being able to overcome affirmative defenses under Minnesotal Law that caused Moriarty to dismiss in the prior case, apply in this one.

Decisions made by Good and Ross in a half-minute time span, lead to 5 seconds of instinctive "fight or flight" fueled action/reaction by both of them that extinguished one life and changed other lives forever. Tragic, but not criminally culpable by any of the survivors.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/one-year-in-hows-portlands-radical-shift-on-homelessness-going/

@47: All I'm doing is pointing out that you need better talking points against the regime as @45 and @49 provides the predictable retorts and points that trip up SJWs like you.

@50 Not only is that video not from the MN protests, it doesn't even appear to have anything to do with ICE. Nobody in the recording ever mentions ICE or what is going on, its just some guy showing the contents of his SUV to some suspicious onlookers. It looks like somebody just added a text banner falsely claiming its crazy leftists in Minneapolis and now its bouncing around the right wing echo chamber whipping up outrage.

@51, @56: TBF, lots of commenters on these threads seem to have enormous trouble understanding the rules which govern whether a video constitutes evidence. ;-)

@57

like
alotta
RWNJs
immiserating
the Citizenry with
evermore Palestine-
type warfare unleashed
by Icestapo upon America?

they did it There
so they Could
Bring It
HERE

and
Now
they Have.

thanks, Wormtongue.
Now you've made
Immiseration &
Deportation &
Captivation &
Mutilation

Great Again

I guess you'd better
Blame the damn
Progressives.

@57 yea. I agree with d13's basic point that the left has to be strategic and not go too far with the protests. In particular, no violence and no vandalism. There have been a couple incidents (real ones, not like that video) that have crossed the line but fortunately so far they've been rare.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/17/philadelphia-sheriff-viral-remarks-ice

Where women want to work.

Better call Bilal!

@55 feel free to question the veracity but it’s posted on msn some other news sites so it’s not just a right wing echo chamber and I don’t see anyone online disputing it which would usually be the case. One need only do a search to find similar videos

https://x.com/_johnnymaga/status/2012638798614536241?s=46&t=kOVzxj1J1zTCbS0ClWZq4g

A good guy with a frying pan story:

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/seattle-man-defends-himself-teen-daughter-against-home-invader/

The home invader had a knife. The legal occupant of the home had a frypan, and later stabbed the invader with the knife they wrestled over.

@13twelve,

Both the invader and the defender used deadly weapons and deadly force. Neither used a firearm. Any object, depending on its manner of use can be a deadly weapon.

The invader might have faired better had they chosen a car as their deadly weapon of choice.

"Mark my words:

Violence by ICEStapo
WILL get worse and their
Terrorism, Far. More. Visceral.

and when That Happens
think about these Schloggers
who are currently Downplaying it.

When This Happens to your Loved
Ones and you're Shocked because
you Never Thought it'd Come For
YOU, think back to this moment."

--Charlotte Clymer
@charlotteclymer.bsky.social

perhaps,
it'll be Your
Last Thought
before the Icestapo
Klub bashes in Your brains

paraphrased, but the Gist remains.

Minnesota Unions
Call For Mass Work Stoppage --
Build All-Out Strike Against ICE On 1/23!

“The army
Trump is building
right now in Minneapolis
to deport people is the same army
Trump will use to crush the unions. This is why
we’re calling for a day without shopping or work [on Jan 23rd].”

--Greg Nammacher, President of SEIU Local 26

In the midst of what’s been called the largest anti-immigration operation in the US—after the murder of Renee Good by an ICE agent—a coalition of Minneapolis/St. Paul unions and community organizations have issued a call for “No work, no school, no shopping” across Minnesota on Friday, January 23.

The more than 50 organizations
that have signed on so far are demanding
ICE out of the state, prosecution of the ICE agent
who killed Renee Good, and no additional federal funding for ICE.

This call for a work stoppage is enormously positive, and
it’s precisely the escalatory step our movement
needs to build towards a decisive victory
against Trump’s deportation machine.

Socialist Alternative is building
for the biggest possible participation in
actions on January 23, in Minnesota and across the country.

--by Chris Gray, Robbinsdale Federation of Teachers
Adam Burch, Amalgamated Transit Union Local 1005
Luke Gitar, Minneapolis Federation of Educators Local 59
Lydia Anthony, Minnesota Association of Professional Employees Local 801
Ryan Timlin, Amalgamated Transit Union Local 1005 (all writing in personal capacity)

oodles:
https://www.socialistalternative.org/2026/01/14/build-all-out-strike-against-ice-on-1-23/

you're a big Transit Union guy,
aren't you, Wormtongue
a Shop Foreman, isn't
that what you
claimed?

Why
have you
abandoned
your Union Brethren
like you abandoned Seattle,

wormmy?

ah~Now
Nurses in
New fucking York
(you're in NY, right, worrmy?)

[do you or your Loved ones
ever need a Nurse. Ever?]

are calling for Not just
a strike in New York
but for a General
Strike, across
America.

'they
now advocate
Granny-starvation
in dead of Winter. Priceless.'

tensorna on January 17, 2026 at 7:16 AM

do Nurses
wanna make
Grannies Starve,
el Wormtongue?

& why do you
support the
ICEStapo?

and tell US
to 'just Lie
Back, and
Enjoy it?'

@48: ‘You fancy yourself a wordsmith, but you don't know the meaning of the word "immiserate”,’

Thanks for quoting this, so I could read it.
For years, he has engaged in name-calling accusations of my supposed twisting and manipulation of words, and then he can’t even recognize a word when he sees it. That really shows the true value of his accusations, eh? It also tells us far more about him than he’d probably prefer to admit.

So, he sees a word he doesn’t recognize. He could tap or click on the word so his browser can tell him it’s a real word and give him the actual meaning, but that would require him to make an infinitesimal effort to learn something, so instead he just lazily assumes he knows better than the person who used the word, and then makes an obscenity-laden, name-calling personal attack upon that user. The overwhelming, mutually-reinforcing arrogance and ignorance required to take that route makes for a worse personal insult than any he’s ever attempted against me (or anyone else) here.

Even without the tool easily at his disposal to learn a new word, anyone who truly wants to become a good writer would have the ability to recognize the patterns inherent to Latin-derived English words, and therefore could puzzle through to guess at the meaning. But no, that effort might distract from the ignorant, belligerent name-calling, which forms his actual purpose in commenting here.

Again, thanks for calling this out, so I could read it.

@61 Its MSN reposting a Daily Caller story, which by itself is weird. Its obvious from the video that (a) there's no snow, as there is in MN right now, (b) the people aren't dressed for a MN winter, and (c) nobody in the video mentions ICE. Its literally just a guy showing the contents of his SUV to suspicious onlookers, without any context indicating where, when, or why its happening.

That other video is ugly, really ugly, but that's also not MN, it's Ohio. And that guy's tiktok has commenters cheering him on. No shortage of idiots on the internet, from all ends of the political spectrum.

The worst incident in Minneapolis that I'm aware of was this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUeATI_i6K4

at what point
do liberals realise
that everything leftists have
told them for years is not only
coming true but needs doing yesterday

they're
rounding up
your guys and
you're still whining
about harris and decorum

--RL Stine Action‬; @anothersmd.bsky.social‬

@65

'union man.'

it's one thing
to turn one's back
on Seattle and move
to Pennsylvania or New York

[tho you're still Here
Lecturing us, Endlessly, in
Grave favor of bibi's genocide 'lite'!]

but to turn one's back
on their Union Brethren
in their Calls for a One Day

https://www.socialistalternative.org/2026/01/14/build-all-out-strike-against-ice-on-1-23/

(see: @64)

Walkout in Protest of ICEStapo's
brutal domination of Minneapolis and
Minnesotans, thedjt's Dominionism which's
Soon to spread far and wide across America

whilst Cadet Bonespurs institutes the Insurrection Act
and can and will start beating not just Brown
People's but also Leftist's heads

which I'm Quite Certain
you Will Approve of
& most Gleefully!

makes me question
the quality of your
"commitment" to
Workers, worm-
my. but 'union
man'? 'shop
steward'?

nah.

that was
merely some
Performative el
Wormtongue Bullshit

now
Back
to your
immerseration*
of American Values

*Дали го употребив тој
збор „Правилно“, о,
Љубителу на
минерали?

FORTY ONE TO six.

did the SeaHawks
OWN the fucking 49ers?

I must Admit my
fear of san francisco
was that they'd Dominate the
Seahawks and Christian McCaffree'd

run over them
like Marshawn Lynch
on Speed (tho Marshawn's
No Druggie) and we'd be O.U.T.
one-and-Done and wait'll Next Year!

because, Hey, it's Seattle Sports!

(have the Mariners
taught me Nothing!?)

it looks like
Seattle IS currently
as fucking GOOD as 'they' say!

FORTY FUCKING ONE
to fucking Six.

whoa.

to the Superbowl!

“So long as they (the Proles) continued to work and breed,
their other activities were without importance.

Left to themselves,
like cattle turned loose up-
on the plains of Argentina, they had
reverted to a style of life that appeared
to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern . . .

heavy physical work,
the care of home and children,
petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer
and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds.

To keep them in control was not difficult.”

--George Orwell, 1984

ok. and well put, George.

but by All means
let us make it
a little more
'Difficult':

https://www.socialistalternative.org/2026/01/14/build-all-out-strike-against-ice-on-1-23/

General Strike: on Friday
January 23, 2026

no Work.
no Shopping.
no School. no Shit.

WE Have the Power.

but ONLY if WE,
The People will
EXERCISE it.

Time to Flex!
PEACEFULLY!

13 SECONDS into
the First Quarter:
Seattle -- 7.

60 Minutes into
The Game:
S.F. -- 6.

yeah, baby,

@48, @65: Every time kristo' flagrantly (ab)uses the IP he so cravenly filched from a dead man, all he does is admit to his complete inability even to recognize -- let alone comprehend! -- the words he reads here.

Of course, he blames his own catastrophic failure of basic understanding upon someone else; his abject moral failure follows immediately from his abject intellectual failure. Plus, scapegoating and persecution of Others form the basis of his politics -- a trait, strictly in conformance with Horseshoe Theory, his politics shares with Trump's. Little wonder he snidely discounted the dangers inherent to another Trump administration, dangers now coming true every day. ("Genocide Joe," shout it loud and proud, brother!)

The Stranger, and sympathetic commenters like kristo', are themselves the main source of the problems they describe. The sooner they understand this, the faster they can proceed to the "get out of the way" phase of leadership in politics.

Now the anti-ICE protestors have taken a dark turn in Minneapolis, and we're well on our way for Donald to take his next step.

"The Stranger, and sympathetic commenters like kristo', are themselves the main source of the problems they describe. The sooner they understand this, the faster they can proceed to the "get out of the way" phase of leadership in politics."

--@theWormtongue
haunting tS from afar
Hoping and Working for
the Demise of Progressivism

whilst he leads
his faithful following
of centrists into the abyss

meanwhile,
ICEStapo captures
the Citizenry, handcuffs
beats and terrorizes us & them

but,
no, let's
let 'democratic'
"leadership" figure
this mess out -- after all
they're the ones who got us

Into it.

@71

"Every
time kristo'
flagrantly (ab)uses
the IP he so cravenly

filched . . . "

''filched" Wormtongue?
how've you 'educated' your
ai sockpuppet? aka thumpfnsorna?

did You ask for Permission first?
or beg for forgiveness?
let me hazard
a Guess:

small wonder you find
filching so Rep-
rehensible

"... the IP he so cravenly filched from a dead man... "

that'd be "Wormtongue."
'filched' from JRR Tolkien's 'the
Lord of the Rings,' an allegorical
ode to Fascism -- fascism made Time-
less thru the tireless and unceasing efforts
of the Wormtongues of this, and All Worlds.

JRR told me
el kristo! that
he Approves of my
filching & hopes it'll Continue

and I'm
Happy to
Oblige JRR.

thank you for your
Attention to this
Serious Matter.

@72: "Now the anti-ICE protestors have taken a dark turn in Minneapolis, and we're well on our way for Donald to take his next step."

Whether that first clause is true or not -- and you can read no small amount of disputation about it, right here in this very thread -- your second clause is completely correct. This administration will use your belief in the truth of your first clause to justify whatever abuses they want to try next.

Luckily for them, persons like yourself never question, say, whether anything ever actually justified a massive ICE deployment to the Twin Cities in the first place.

@75: I gladly edit the first clause to "some anti-ICE protestors". But I do question the massive presence of the ICE deployment, and never commented in favor of it.

@76: And if ICE wanted a guaranteed haul of illegal immigrants, every time, they could raid any number of conservative farm towns across the country. When fresh produce suddenly costs a huge amount of money -- if it can even be found in cities and suburbs at all! -- then we might have a productive civic debate on immigration policy. Hitting liberal cities is just political retaliation, and it's literally killing people.

@77: And CNN's Don Lemon leading a disruption of a Minneapolis church service just because one of the clergy is afflicted with ICE just adds fuel to the fire. I'm sure you agree.

Find videos of it on Facebook, Instagram, and X.

@78: Stupid protests just give the administration more excuses to abuse -- and possibly get unaffiliated members of the public to disagree with the protestors' cause. I agree completely with you on those points.

ICE has a legitimate job to do. That job was legally defined by our elected representatives in Congress. The administration attacks liberal cities by abusing ICE's legitimate authority. The way to address any issues with ICE is via our elected representatives, not through street protests.

@79

"The way
to address
any issues with
ICE is via our elected
representatives, not through street protests."

tensorna on January 18, 2026 at 2:12 PM

that door slammed Shut
fucking Ages Ago.

But you Already
Knew That

Here's a slightly Different Opinion:

Minnesota Unions
Call For Mass Work Stoppage --
Build All-Out Strike Against ICE On 1/23!

“The army
Trump is building
right now in Minneapolis
to deport people is the same army
Trump will use to crush the unions. This is why
we’re calling for a day without shopping or work [on Jan 23rd].”

--Greg Nammacher, President of SEIU Local 26

In the midst of what’s been called the largest anti-immigration operation in the US—after the murder of Renee Good by an ICE agent—a coalition of Minneapolis/St. Paul unions and community organizations have issued a call for “No work, no school, no shopping” across Minnesota on Friday, January 23.

The more than 50 organizations
that have signed on so far are demanding
ICE out of the state, prosecution of the ICE agent
who killed Renee Good, and no additional federal funding for ICE.

This call for a work stoppage is enormously positive, and
it’s precisely the escalatory step our movement
needs to build towards a decisive victory
against Trump’s deportation machine.

Socialist Alternative is building
for the biggest possible participation in
actions on January 23, in Minnesota and across the country.

--by Chris Gray, Robbinsdale Federation of Teachers
Adam Burch, Amalgamated Transit Union Local 1005
Luke Gitar, Minneapolis Federation of Educators Local 59
Lydia Anthony, Minnesota Association of Professional Employees Local 801
Ryan Timlin, Amalgamated Transit Union Local 1005 (all writing in personal capacity)

oodles:
https://www.socialistalternative.org/2026/01/14/build-all-out-strike-against-ice-on-1-23/

"Stupid protests!"
--@the Wormtongue

Yeah. the guy who's
been Supporting the
Genocide in Palestine
here at the Stranger for
the Last. 2. Fucking. YEARS

HE's the Guy we
Really Should
Be Listening
to. HARD
Fucking
PASS.

@80 and what’s the plan with if they succeed in pushing ICE back. Lets say Trump totally backs down. Then what? There is no immigration enforcement at all?

@81

cool your Jets
d13r -- let's Begin
by Ending the Beatings
Demanding JUDICIAL Warrants
Unmasking the unaccountable Thuglies

And Holding to Account
those found in
Violation of
Our Laws.

or is even That
a Bridge Too Far
for tS's reichwing NJs?

@81: Although I know you're just showing how none of these people have come anywhere close to thinking it through -- they're still back on the "blocking I-5 will cause a ceasefire in Gaza, we just know it will," level -- satisfying these demands wouldn't 'merely' require Trump to back down, but for Congress to de-fund ICE. So, we're back to making demands of Congress, just as I implied.

Of course, absolutely none of this will happen anyway, because the unions listed in @79 are not actually on board, as a tiny little parenthetical note finally admitted: "all writing in personal capacity". The Starve-Granny idea makes about as much sense as the Block I-5 idea did, and everyone knows this.

oh
and
wormmy?

"Thuglies"
means 'the
Ugly Thugs"
Cadet Bonespurs
has Unleashed upon
The American Citizenry.

you haven't
likely Encountered
it yet -- that's Because
I just made the bitch* Up.

good luck!

*those
'offended'
by my coarse
language? perhaps
try the Seattle Times

one of wormmy's
Favorites!

@82 you aren’t going to get majority support for shutting down ice and applying pressure ri trump unless you have a workable alternatives There are too many people who remember that the other alternative was wide open borders, cities completely overrun with immigrants, zero checks and no enforcement of bad actors. That’s not gonna fly so this is what happens.

@83 I know this is no plan. It’s dealing with manipulators. Just do what I want and then we’ll change. Surprise, surprise then the bar moves further. Everytine we are faced with one of those major policy problems it’s a stark reminder that progressives are good at organizing and complaining but really poor st actual governance.

@85: "It’s dealing with manipulators. Just do what I want and then we’ll change."

Or, in this case, "abolish ICE, or we'll immiserate lots of persons who have nothing to do with ICE." Of course, even that's an utterly empty threat, as American labor unions simply don't listen to trust-fund radical agitators, like the Trotskyite cult at Socialist Alternative. (We saw this in union-town Seattle, where members of the Iron Workers union refused to listen to Sawant, when she insultingly tried to speak for them.)

@80: "that door slammed Shut
fucking Ages Ago."

"Build All-Out Strike Against ICE On 1/23!"

So, not logging in that day and checking in files moves the needle more at fighting fascism than writing your elected representatives? (re @79)

As situations like in Minnesota accelerate in violence and devolve in chaos, claiming the mantle for morality gets harder for our heroes and easier for our foes.

@83 -- just like
"Everyone" "Knows"
"It's. NOT. GENOCIDE!!!" wormmy?

oh, @the
Wormtongue,

you're Too 'FUNNY'! lol!
Lol! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

your
Devoted
Following

has no Power
Here at the
Stranger
worm-
my.

go back to
the 'Seatimes'
with yet Another of
your strongly worded letters:

just like the "Democratic" "leadership."

lololol!

*insert
maniacallly
laffing Emotikon
frantically, Hysterically

sprinkle that shite all Over.

lol!

@88

Jesus H Christ~
when even
KkKoolie
Gets It:

your corporate
'Centrists' are no
Match for you Logic

@87: Yeah, this fantasy general strike that just ain't gonna happen sure has gripped kristo's 'mind', we see. 'Starve Granny to Spite ICE,' might make 'Block I-5 for Gaza,' look successful by comparison, but that's about it.

American labor unions won high wages and good benefits for working families by carefully targeting strikes for maximum effect against employers. Broadly vague labor actions ("general strike!") in support of impossible policy goals ("Abolish ICE") has never been part of their agenda. They've always ignored trust-fund Trotskyites like Socialist Alternative, who nonetheless keep endlessly trying to co-opt the labor unions to support radical revolutionaries' fantasies. (Again, ask Sawant how that worked out for her.)

sure wormmy.

we're gonna Rely on the same
feckless democrats who
Allowed ICEStapo to
Happen to nip 'em
in the bud - Just
kick back, they
will soon have
it Handled?

JRR Tolkien saw
you coming
in 1937

and
named
you in 1954.

"trust-fund radical agitators"?

Leave it to the
Wormtongue.

@48: Well, it appears our most recent troll got banned, possibly for citing too many facts to disprove the Stranger's ideology against Seattle's crime-surveillance video program. But he did perform another public service here.

Now, each and every time kristo' snottily vandalizes the creation of a real published author, we simply hear him whining in helpless immiseration by his own illiteracy.

(It would be great fun to image kristo' trying to converse with Tolkien, the latter of whom had a day job as a Professor of LANGUAGE at Oxford University. Tolkien had invented entire languages for his fictional works, and he could simply have introduced any number of made-up terms into his chat with kristo', who would lack even the literacy sufficient to understand Tolkien was repeatedly pranking him. And if kristo' did so manage to figure this out, what would he do -- impotently attempt to hurl Tolkien's own creations back at him?)

Protestors invading churches are worse than ICE.

@94

okay, wormmy.

speaking of Fascists, their
psycophants, cuntyness
and, maybe, mov-
ing Onward:

As our government slides ever further into open fascism,
I have zero patience for anyone continuing to peddle
the nonsense that the people to blame for all this
are the ones who wouldn’t vote for a party that
actively supported a right-wing genocide and
the brutalization of those who protested it.

If you took even a cursory glance at history
you would understand what you are doing,
who you are defending, and what it will
mean for politics in America, but you
can’t shake yourself out of a childish
dichotomy of red-team-bad, blue-
team-good, and the whole world
is going to suffer because of it.

You were happy to urge moderation and norms
and ignore the misery* your leaders caused as long as
it was comfortably distant and involved people you didn’t have to talk to.

But you’re going to learn the folly
of thinking a city on fire is acceptable
as long as the flames don’t reach your door.

Even now you hold
us in contempt as we or-
ganize and agitate every day
to overturn the system that got us here.

I have no more tolerance
for your push-button solutions
or your simple-minded civil scolding.

History has already judged you
and found you wanting.

Get with the program or shut the fuck up.

--by Leonard Pierce; ‪@leonardpierce.bsky.social

*who's
the Immiserator
now, Wormtongue?

"As our government slides ever further into open fascism,
I have zero patience for anyone continuing to peddle
the nonsense that the people to blame for all this
are the ones who wouldn’t vote for a party that
actively supported a right-wing genocide and
the brutalization of those who protested it."

the Wormtongue
in a Nutshell

where he
Belongs.

kshama!
Kshama!
KSHAMA!

--@wormmy

but Hamas!
But Hamas!
But HAMAS!
BUT HAMAS!

--@the Wormtongue

sawantinistas!
Sawantinistas!
SAWANTINISTAS!

--also @the Wormtongue
gustily vitriolically
and heroically

in full-throated support
of our Corporate
Masters.

bugger Off
wormmy:

Der Stürmer
is Calling.

Invading a church is fascism.

ICEStapo
is fascism.

see: a laughing
Elon Mux and
his Nazi
Salute:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VfYjPzj1Xw

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