Bear Gulch Fire 100 Percent Contained: Over five months, the fire (likely caused by humans) burned 20,000 acres. Areas inside the perimeter may continue to smolder for a while, and debris may flow onto Forest Service Road 24 and the areas around Lake Cushman, but it’s donezo, reports KING 5.
Trump’s Homeless First Strategy: A Trump administration policy change could endanger “housing first” programs to address homelessness. Stable housing for hundreds of local households and $41 million for programs in Seattle in King County are in jeopardy. This is dumb as hell. Housing First may not always be implemented perfectly, or even well, but data shows low barrier housing works better than high barrier housing when implemented correctly. Roughly 170,000 people nationwide could end up homeless again. This does not solve homelessness.
Past Got Your Tongue? Trump told reporters that if a measure that ordered the Justice Department to publish the Epstein Files crossed his desk, he’d sign it.
He May Get His Chance: Today, the House will vote on a bill just like that. If this happens, count on a push alert from every website on earth.
Joseph, Don’t Take the Handles: Joseph Emerson, the off-duty Alaska Airlines pilot who tried to cut a jet’s engines on a 2023 passenger flight, has been released on time served. Federal prosecutors had asked for a year in prison for nearly killing 83 people. He’ll be on probation for three years. Emerson, whose friend had recently died, claimed he hadn’t slept in over 40 hours. He believed he was daydreaming when he went for the controls, he said. Emerson pleaded guilty to the federal charges, and no-contest to state charges.
Mariners Re-sign Josh Naylor: For $18.5 million, he’ll stay with the team another five heartbreaking seasons. We’re glad. To Mariners management, I have only one thing to say…
Tough Guys Can Be Sensitive, Too: The wood chapel outside the Northwest African American Museum is an art piece by former Seahawk defensive lineman Michael Bennett. Jas Keimig has more on “Night Chappel” and Bennett in the Seattle Times.
Another Terrible Whale Story: Scientists euthanized a young humpback whale beached near Yachats, Oregon. It sucks. There’s no moral to this story other than to stay away from derelict crab fishing lines if you’re a humpback whale in his prime. I’d tell people not to leave behind their derelict crab lines, but they won’t.
Weather: There’s a 30 percent chance of rain before 1 p.m. on this mostly cloudy day. Some clouds and patchy fog tonight.
Cosmic Delight: If the clouds roll away, we may see the Leonids meteor shower tonight. They’re gone by the 30th (and may stay gone until 2099) but they’re just coming off their peak.
Diva Down: Cloudflare, a software company that helps companies handle traffic, experienced an outage this morning. It took a chunk of the internet down with it.
UN approves US Peace Plan for Gaza: Trump’s plan will deploy an international stabilization force to Gaza for two years, which is meant to secure border areas, protect civilians and disarm non-state groups like Hamas. Trump will oversee the force. Arab states pushed for a late addition: a tentative, ambiguous reference to a future Palestinian state once Gaza is rebuilt. UN Chief Antonio Guterres said it was an important step toward long-term peace. Russia and China abstained from the vote. Hamas, which would be disarmed under the plan, rejected the measure. It said it won’t disarm and that the plan undermines the Palestinian right to self-determination.
A Little War, for Balance: Trump isn’t ruling out sending troops to Venezuela. He isn’t ruling out diplomacy with President Nicolas Maduro either. Though we’re off to a rocky start there, buddy. Accusing Maduro of running a cartel without credible evidence and extrajudicially killing people off his shore doesn’t inspire warmness.
Wow, but duh: Ninety-seven percent of the 614 immigrants arrested in Chicago’s immigration raids (Operation Midway Blitz) had no criminal record, according to Department of Justice records. Trump’s claims that his agency is going after the “worst of the worst” are obvious bullshit.
Woke Pope: Pope Leo XIV urged countries at COP30, the UN climate summit in Brazil, to take urgent climate action. God’s creation is “crying out in floods, droughts, storms, and relentless heat,” he said. (Over that volume, I imagine God is hard to hear.) COP30 is in its second week. We’re not participating. The Trump regime’s official stance is that global warming is a hoax.
About Time: David Richardson resigned as acting head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). He’s best known for being a do-nothing loser. Employees told the AP he’s hard to reach, even in an emergency. Do we see the problem here? He returns to the private sector, where his un-talents will be better appreciated.
A quick song for your Tuesday: Take it away, Tony.
“Ninety-seven percent of the 614 immigrants arrested in Chicago’s immigration raids (Operation Midway Blitz) had no criminal record.”
Other than their being probable cause that they entered or remained unlawfully in the U.S. in violation of the law.
If we really want those folks here to provide labor to the U.S. Market, wouldn’t it be more intellectually honest for voters to elect a Congress that will change the immigration law, or should we just ask ICE not to enforce existing law?
If we have the law enforce it. If the law doesn’t serve us well, change it. I am very open to the latter, not the former.
@1 Back in 2024 there was a bipartisan immigration bill that did just that. Your boy Trump had it killed.
Fantastic news on the peace plan. 😄 Remember, UN Security Council resolutions are binding international law, so Hamas is now required to disarm regardless of whether Hamas has “agreed” to the peace deal. 😎 What’s more, the international stabilization force is empowered to disarm Hamas by force if necessary, unlike the other UN missions in the Middle East who are mere helpless observers 💥💥💥 This will mark the first time troops from Islamic countries have ever attempted to disarm a Palestinian militia on Palestinian soil, a radical and long-overdue development in Middle Eastern politics. 😁
As one who loves Palestine and Palestinians, I am delighted at the prospect for a demilitarized, technocratic government to take charge in Gaza. 😃 Terrorism and combat have been a catastrophic strategy for Palestine, it is long past time to try peaceful politicking instead. 😝 Hopefully, the Palestinian people will show enough wisdom to embrace this opportunity we in the international community are offering them at our own risk and expense. 😇 Come on, Palestine, the whole world is rooting for you! 😃
“Hopefully, the Palestinian people will show enough wisdom.”
What are the betting odds on that?
“This does not solve homelessness.”
that isn’t the Goal.
the Goal* is to FILL thedjt’s
Concentration Camps with the
Morally Weak, made Obvious by their
proclivity for Drugs to ease the pain of an
Out of Control Capitalist System, one that rewards
the cunning, manipulative socio- and psychopaths we’ve
unfathomably allowed to seize Power and Control of America
well-exemplified by the current ‘quiet piggy, Quiet!’ swine we call ‘prez.’
*housing-as-commodity
is a Big fucking Help
Drama queen breakdown in @5.
[glancing rightwards, There’s
Miss Piggy in an advert for
The Muppet Christmas
Carol concert at the
Benaroya Hall
Dec. 5-7.
Nothing Personal, Miss Piggy!
you Know I Adore you!]
@6 society crumbles
KkKoolie NOT impressed.
@4: lol I hear ya, but I am a peace plan optimist. 😄 The current peace plan has several features that distinguish it from less-successful predecessors.
For one thing, the current peace plan is coming hard on the heels of an absolutely crushing military defeat for Gaza, a defeat so hard that people have mistaken it for a genocide! 😆 Popular support for Hamas remains robust in Gaza, but I suspect the popular appetite for combat has been dulled, at least for the next couple of years, by the feast of Israeli artillery and bombs. Much like the Germans after World War 2, there’s nothing like seeing all of your cities dusted to persuade you that maybe, just maybe, you shouldn’t start wars you can’t win. 😁
Second, this peace plan has the support of all the Arab countries and almost all the Islamic countries. Even most of the countries in a formal state of war against Israel support this peace plan! In the past, Palestinian militants have been encouraged from abroad to keep fighting, but this time the message from abroad is: hey maybe just chill with the shooting for a minute huh? 😂
Third, the biggest spoiler of peace in the Middle East, the Islamic Republic, took a couple of very hard punches to the nose this year and is sitting out the next couple of rounds till it stops dripping. 😄 Hizbollah got paged, Assad got pitched, and Iran itself ate a big mouthful of JDAMs and ALBMs. That’s a lot to take in all at once! 🤣 Even the Houthis and the Iraqi muqawama have stopped shooting for the time being! 😆 A rare window is open during this Iranian convalescence. 😁
So even recognizing that no one ever went broke betting on Palestine to fuck things up, I think this peace plan has a stronger than usual chance to do something good. It’s the most exciting thing since the Oslo Accords, and I think it might be more likely than Oslo to achieve its stated objectives. 😎
@8 “… maybe, just maybe,
you shouldn’t start wars
you can’t win. 😁”
for Starters Fuck your Smiley faces.
bibi nutnyahoo
propped up Hamas for DECADES.
Hamas, elected in 2007, promptly
shut down Democracy (Gaza hasn’t fucking
VOTED since) and ruled Gaza with an IRON FIST
pleasing bibi Enormously, and ensuring Gaza’d
be a captive ‘State’ forever ruled by Israel
but Yeah, lay the Blame
for their OWN Destruction at
the Feet of Gazans. maybe it’ll make
your Ideology more palatable to Live with
now insert smiley face
where the fucking
sun won’t shine.
@9: “but Yeah, lay the Blame for their OWN Destruction at the Feet of Gazans”
That’s exactly where the blame belong. 😄 That’s why the UN Security Council peace plan calls for Gaza to disarm but not for Israel to disarm. 😎
@10
Odd, aF
I find it, you,
thumpfnsorna T.
Wormtongue, to put
ANY Stock atall in the U. N. Security
Council, the very same one Who DECIDED
ISRAEL IS COMMITTING WAR CRIMES IN GAZA
whilst you, and your puppetmaster, the
Wormtongue, spent Billions of Pixels
on denying the FUCK Outta
That, for the past TWO
fucking years.
why
the big
Turnaround?
insert smiley face emoji,
right you know
where
@2 – “Back in 2024 there was a bipartisan immigration bill that did just that. Your boy Trump had it killed.”
That bill was utter dogshit. It was good it was killed. It ordered a border shutdown activated at the Department of Homeland Security’s discretion if average daily encounters hit 4,000 over 7 days, or mandatorily if they reached 5,000 over 7 days (or 8,500 on a single day).
Are you afraid you might end up in one of those homeless camps, Calvin Priest, oops I mean ‘fartian?
@8. All true. And simply having a generally acceptable diplomatic track is a good in and of itself. But my tragic sensibilities tell me that Hamas will refuse to disarm, Arab nations will get cold feet to go into a hostile environment, Israel will start pimping out the tribes, and it will all add up to running street battles between factions seeking dominance in aid grift.
My other prediction – discount kaffiyehs will start showing up in the checkout lines at Grocery Outlet in the coming weeks. The quiet hangover is setting in for our little drummer girls.
@1 Multiple bills doing exactly what you claim to want were proposed by the Bush II, Obama, and Biden administrations. Republicans, not Democrats, blocked every single one of them from even coming to a vote (even Bush’s two attempts, which were so punitive and narrowly scoped they were nearly impossible to support from the left — but it wasn’t Democrats who killed them).
Regardless, defending the current administration’s approach to immigration enforcement means defending masked, often unbadged and deceptively clothed agents violently assaulting and arresting people with no warrants or summonses, often based on nothing more than their skin color or the language they’re speaking, and including U.S. citizens and permanent green-card residents. Quite a heavy lift.
President Trump: pro-Israel, anti-Housing First. I can only assume tensorna, thumpus, thekossack, Aguecheek, and many more are strongly rethinking voting against him given he aligns so closely with them on this blog’s most-discussed topics.
@1 “had no criminal record. … Other than their being probable cause that they entered or remained unlawfully in the U.S. in violation of the law.”
Entering or remaining unlawfully isn’t a crime, except in certain circumstances which we have no reason to believe apply. Also, you meant “there”
“Palestinian right to self-determination.”
None of the Arab countries in the region really want that – it’s been a hard reality since Arafat.
@14: “But my tragic sensibilities tell me that Hamas will refuse to disarm, Arab nations will get cold feet to go into a hostile environment”
Well of course the Arab nations will get cold feet! 😂 Luckily I think it’s unlikely Arabs will comprise any significant part of the international stabilization force. 😄 I suspect the core of the ground combat element will be Indonesians, plus maybe some Azeris and Pakistanis. The Arabs can contribute ISR and humanitarian deliveries, but it would be a mistake to ask Arabs to pull triggers. 😁
The Indonesian army, on the other hand, does not think twice to throw lead. 😆 If you think the Israelis in Gaza are “genocidal,” just look at the Indonesian operations in East Timor and Papua, yikes! 💥💥💥 Twenty thousand mean Indonesians armed with a UN Security Council mandate and the support of the entire Islamic world minus Iran will be a pretty tough nut for Hamas. The Middle East may be a graveyard of peace plans, but none of the previous plans looked like this! 🔥🔥🔥
@19 “Twenty thousand mean Indonesians armed with a UN Security Council mandate and the support of the entire Islamic world minus Iran will be a pretty tough nut for Hamas. The Middle East may be a graveyard of peace plans, but none of the previous plans looked like this!”
Even better, let’s just nuke the whole Levant and let their gods sort em! Peace is guaranteed when there are no human inhabitants left! 😆😆😜🔥🔥🔥
I wonder what these murders have in common, besides getting ignored by Slog:
https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2025/11/no-updates-from-spd-in-pike-pine-deadly-shootings/
@20: Ha ha, no need for such drastic measures, my dear progressive friend 😉 We, the international community, need only arm and support the good guys (Israeli Defense Forces, UN Security Council international stabilization force, Palestinian national security forces, Jordan, Egypt) and disarm and isolate the bad guys (Hamas, Hizbollah, Assad, Iran). Congratulations to all the civilized peoples of the world on yesterday’s important step toward peace! 😇
@2, Trump has NEVER been my boy. He is a menace (understatement).
That said, isn’t it anti-democratic not to enforce the laws as democratically enacted and existing?
It seems to me to be dishonest of the American electorate to not change the law, and then not being happy with the outcome (at least amongst as much as 1/2 the electorate) decide the democratically determined law should be ignored. That is no better than Trump, he just chooses different democratically enacted laws to ignore.
@13
well,
Goody!
& yet Another
angry young Troll
to darken derr Schlogg’s door?
why Not!
it’s not like
There’s Any
Shortage, ffs.
Hey have any of you progressives seen this extremely embarrassing and cringe post by Katie Wilson? It’s real! Did she post it herself, or does she have some idiot tone-deaf intern to do it for her? Did she really think she was being “funny” and “clever”? Maybe she has one of The Stranger’s incompetents “working” for her?
Holy shit. Look at it before she takes it down! Screenshot it for posterity haha
“After much deliberation and a grueling interview process, I’m pleased to announce that I’ve accepted a new job and will not need any financial support from my parents to cover the high costs of childcare going forward. #AmericanDream #ThisIsYourCity”
https://x.com/wilsonformayor/status/1990822034666815682
@3, Could not have put it any better.
The prospect for actual implementation is poor. The IDF has committed roughly two divisions at a time to fighting Hamas and done a little better than whack-a-mole, but not much, thus degrading Hamas slightly faster than they can recruit new Jihadists.
So for Arabs to do it, and do it without calling in an air-strike or artillery barrage to flatten a building full of non-combatants every time Hamas militarizes the entire building with a small sniper team, probably requires six divisions. I don’t see the resolve or capacity among Arab governments to do that.
The Egyptian Army is probably the only Army with the manpower and professional officer and troop cadres to get it done. They might get a battalion from Jordan, and battalion or company level groups from other individual Arab countries to help. Egypt would be motivated since the Muslim Brotherhood is a close cousin to Hamas, and is viewed as an existential threat to Egypt’s own security.
@25
see
That’s
the Thing
about Neocons:
their Sense of Hum —
here,
let’s let
the Great
HST spell it
Out for Us, using
what was Then Thee
WORST PRESIDENT of the Era:
“Richard Nixon has never been one of my favorite people anyway.
For years I’ve regarded his existence
as a monument to all the rancid genes and
broken chromosomes that corrupt the possibilities
of the American Dream; he was a foul caricature of himself,
a man with no soul, no inner convictions, with the integrity of
a hyena and the style of a poison toad. The Nixon I remembered
was absolutely humorless;
I couldn’t imagine him laughing
at anything except maybe a paraplegic
who wanted to vote Democratic but could-
n’t quite reach the lever on the voting machine.”
this is whom
we’re Dealing with
here. Wilson’s Quote
is Fucking PERFECT. that
you don’t or won’t or Cannot
“get it”‘s what makes you “a Republican.”
see also:
Catalina Vel-DuRay.
thank you for your Attention too
@27 – did not waste my time reading, so you wasted your time and effort making whatever stupid shit that said.
Fun fact about Katie Wilson – she temporarily joined the Residents in the mid 70s. Their 1978 album “Not Available” features her as “Edweena” in the cover art. Her closeout solo performance at 36:15 is considered canonical by music critics.
@1, 17 Yeah, I should have included something about that. My problem with the mindset underlying Trump’s militarized mass deportation campaign is that a person who has lived here for years, perhaps decades, raising a family and causing no one any serious harm, has made a tremendous personal investment in this country and the country in them, even if they originally arrived by means that weren’t entirely kosher. Insisting they now must uproot their deeply embedded lives and return to a place that is no longer their home in any meaningful sense — solely for the purpose of upholding a blinkered, black-letter reading of the law — greatly impoverishes both them and us. It’s morally shameful, foolishly short-sighted, and hopefully unsustainable.
@30: As a vintage classic Reagan Republican, I agree totally.
@30, We do not have the time or the resources to enforce every law all the time. For immigration it would take something like a decade and a trillion+ dollars to deport everyone so it’s not a question of ignoring the law but setting priorities.
I think most people would prefer criminals to be deported over someone’s grandma but that’s not where our efforts are going at the moment and yet the law is being no better enforced than it was before, at least by the numbers. If anything we will be less safe than if we had continued on the same path as previous administrations. The goal should not be 100% enforcement all the time because that is unrealistic, but doing so strategically for the most desired outcome and trump is doing the opposite of that.
“Arab states pushed for a late addition: a tentative, ambiguous reference to a future Palestinian state once Gaza is rebuilt.”
In reality, the reference to a future Palestinian state is so very clear, it’s causing upset in Israel. And the resolution requires the United States to work toward the goal of a Palestinian state:
‘The resolution has proven controversial in Israel because it references a future possibility of statehood for the Palestinians.
‘The resolution’s text says that “conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood” once the Palestinian Authority has carried out a reform program and Gaza’s redevelopment has advanced.
‘”The United States will establish a dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a political horizon for peaceful and prosperous coexistence,” it says.’
(https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-security-council-vote-us-resolution-trumps-gaza-plan-2025-11-17/)
@12,
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Prosecuting People for Coming to the United States
Fact Sheet
Published:
May 1, 2018
Topics: Border Enforcement, Detention, Due Process and the Courts, Immigration 101, Interior Enforcement, Refugees and Asylum Seekers
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Prosecuting People for Coming to the United States
Overview
Over the last two decades, the federal government increasingly has utilized the criminal courts to punish people for immigration violations. Particularly on the Southwest border, federal officials are vigorously prosecuting migrants either for entering the United States without permission or for reentering the country without permission after a prior deportation or removal order (commonly referred to, respectively, as “illegal entry” and “illegal re-entry;” or collectively as “entry-related offenses”). Tens of thousands of migrants and asylum seekers are subjected to criminal prosecution for these crimes every year. Prosecutions for entry-related offenses reached an all-time high of 106,312 in Fiscal Year (FY) 2019, near the end of the Trump administration, before falling to 47,730 in FY 2020 after the government began rapidly expelling most people crossing the border in March 2020 rather than referring them for prosecution.
The government’s approach to charging migrants with these entry-related offenses imposes heavy costs on both the migrants themselves and the federal government. The prosecution of individuals fleeing persecution or torture harms family members with whom the individual traveled and was apprehended. Spouses are often separated, as are parents from their minor children.
Lawyers increasingly have observed federal prosecutions of adult family members for entry-related offenses which result in those family members being sent to a federal prison away from their children. The children are then placed with federal authorities at shelters for unaccompanied minors or in foster homes, while parents receive little or no information about their location and condition.
With high conviction rates for these federal offenses, many migrants are subjected to mandatory incarceration in federal prison for months or longer. For these individuals, a conviction can impede current and future attempts to migrate lawfully or obtain asylum. For the federal government, such prosecutions are an extremely costly use of law-enforcement resources and have no demonstrated deterrent effect on future migration.
This overview provides basic information about entry-related offenses, including the significant costs incurred by the government conducting these prosecutions, the individuals who are subjected to them, and how the government’s rationale for carrying them out is not supported by the data.
Crimes for Which Migrants are Prosecuted
Physical presence in the United States without proper authorization is a civil violation, rather than a criminal offense. This means that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) can place a person in removal (deportation) proceedings and can require payment of a fine, but the federal government cannot charge the person with a criminal offense unless they have previously been ordered deported and reentered in violation of that deportation order. Likewise, a person who enters the United States on a valid visa and stays longer than permitted may be put in removal proceedings but cannot face federal criminal charges based solely on this civil infraction. Those who enter or reenter the United States without permission, however, can face criminal charges.
Title 8 of the U.S. Code identifies federal criminal offenses pertaining to immigration and nationality, including the following two entry-related offenses:
““Illegal Entry”/8 U.S.C. § 1325 makes it a crime to unlawfully enter the United States. It applies to people who do not enter with proper inspection at a port of entry, such as those who enter between ports of entry, avoid examination or inspection, or who make false statements while entering or attempting to enter. A first offense is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine, up to six months in prison, or both.
“Illegal Re-Entry”/8 U.S.C. § 1326 makes it a crime to unlawfully reenter, attempt to unlawfully reenter, or to be found in the United States after having been deported, ordered removed, or denied admission. This crime is punishable as a felony with a maximum sentence of two years in prison. Higher penalties apply if the person was previously removed after having been convicted of certain crimes: up to 10 years for a single felony conviction (other than an aggravated felony conviction) or three misdemeanor convictions involving drugs or crimes against a person, and up to 20 years for an aggravated felony conviction.”
“While overstaying a visa is a violation of U.S. immigration law, it is not a crime for which you will be immediately arrested, but a civil violation that can lead to serious consequences, such as deportation, fines, and bars from reentering the U.S.”
@30, You and others rightly call it a travesty when Trump disregards laws that achieve an outcome that he doesn’t want.
How are you any different when you do the same thing with different laws?
You aren’t different. You and Trump share the commonality of rejecting a fundamental pillar of a functioning democracy, which is rule of law.
The answer to the problem you point out is to change the law by democratic means, while upholding rule of law until that happens.
You and Trump are both pissing all over rule of law and democracy. You just pick different laws to piss on.
@29: Must be a different Katie Wilson. Our socialist mayor-elect wasn’t born until 1982.
Is Thumpus in fact a teenager or maybe a white WASPy lady in her 50s bc that’s a lot of emojis today dude
Wow, this place certainly has turned into a haven for bigots, xenophobes and Israeli influnce peddlers.
Maybe it’s time for the comment section to go the way of the Portland Mercury before it turns into the cesspit at Willamette Week.
@1 – why we did elect a Congress — at least a Senate — that passed the Immigration Modernization Act in 2013, with a veto-proof majority. But Boehner didn’t want to deal with the Tea Party, so the House never voted.
Fun Fact; the gang of eight included Senators Rubio, Graham, and Schumer.
@1 – why we did elect a Congress — at least a Senate — that passed the Immigration Modernization Act in 2013, with a veto-proof majority. But Boehner didn’t want to deal with the Tea Party, so the House never voted.
Fun Fact; the gang of eight included Senators Rubio, Graham, and Schumer.
@1 – why we did elect a Congress — at least a Senate — that passed the Immigration Modernization Act in 2013, with a veto-proof majority. But Boehner didn’t want to deal with the Tea Party, so the House never voted.
Fun Fact; the gang of eight included Senators Rubio, Graham, and Schumer.
@37
it’s wormmy’s ai sockbott
of course I COULD be wrong
programmed as a jr high incel
used initially for plausible deniability
to utter the Unutterable but’s now taken
on a ‘life’ of its own — it’s become Quite thee
Research Tool* — wormmy can turn it on & let it troll
*harvesting all that Information
For FREE
to Learn whilst it Earns
at Other’s Expense
that’s Quite thee
‘Business Model’
don’tchya
think?
@38 — Bingo.
AIPAC & RWNJs
dawn to dusk til dawn again
24/7/365.25 we never sleep it’s
a wall-to-wall FOX feeding frenzy
guys like me’re Lucky
to get a word in
Edgewise
but
Yeah
they Could
thin the Herd
Cull the Trolls
Heads to Roll
but not
Me, obv.
@38: “Israeli influnce peddlers”
UN Security Council influence peddlers, actually. 😃 Sorry but the peace plan is now international law! 😄 That mean it’s like double-plus super-law, you know! 😂
@35 The obvious difference is that Trump is demonstrating a clear and consistent pattern of disregarding laws that stand in the way of his personal self-aggrandizement and enforcing those that enhance it. As Karl correctly points out, it has never been remotely possible to enforce 100% of the laws 100% of the time. Choices must be made, and I’m not faulting Trump for making choices per se. I’m just stating what I think is an overwhelming moral and practical case against the particular choices he’s made. If you support those choices and want to defend them convincingly, then you have to make a case for them on their merits. By demanding instead that Trump’s critics pledge allegiance to a patently unrealistic ideal and declaring victory when they refuse, you’re essentially just creating and destroying a straw man.
“Hamas, which would be disarmed under the plan, rejected the measure. It said it won’t disarm and that the plan undermines the Palestinian right to self-determination.”
Well, the international community would rather rebuild Gaza the easy way, but if Hamas wants to continue taking it the hard way, then the international community will rebuild Gaza the hard way. As @19 noted, the International Stabilization Force will likely not contain any members with great sympathy for terrorist killers who hide behind civilians.
If Hamas does defy its former backers in Türkiye and Qatar, then we’ll get to see how well the former members in good standing of the All Gaza All the Time crew here take a war in Gaza, one where they cannot blame every last casualty on the Israelis. Based upon their thunderous silence when Hamas just started publicly executing any Palestinian in Gaza it felt like killing, I’m guessing our progressive friends here will not care too much at all, really…
@35,
We’ve been over this with you 8 billion freaking times. It also used to be legal to kidnap and beat human beings into enslaved subservience. And for those decent people opposed to such measures, it was the right and morally just thing to do to break onto slave holders plantations and free those human beings in defiance of the rule of law, while also working with our legislators to enact more civil statutes outlawing such inhumane practices.
Everything comes from nothing and morality exists. And you’re consistently on here advocating on behalf of morally repugnant slaveholders and klansmen, and doing so in the name of arbitrarily enacted legal provisions. You’re a disgusting and repugnant human being.
@46: “I’m guessing our progressive friends here will not care too much at all, really”
For them, dead Palestinians were never anything but a platform from which to lob arrows at Israel … the basis for the alliance between western progressives and Hamas 😁
@46 hey thanks for
that Anti-Progressive
Pro-AIPAC POV, wormmy!
moving on:
what Happens
when The Pink Mist
aka the Fog of Genocide/War parts
however briefly, and Reality ‘magically’ Appears?
Zionists Are Freaking Out About Losing Control Of The Narrative
[popping in in the Middle
’cause there’s a bunch]
“It’s also this increasingly post-literate media; less and less text, more and more videos,” [former Obama speechwriter Sarah] Hurwitz continued. “So you have TikTok just smashing our young people’s brains all day long with video of carnage in Gaza.
And this is why so many of us [pro-Zionism Jewish Propagandists] cannot have a sane conversation with younger Jews, because anything that we try to say to them, they are hearing it through this wall of carnage.
[Damn — that’s gotta be Tough on your Narrative]
So I want to give data and information
and facts and arguments, and they are just see-
ing in their minds: carnage. And I sound obscene.”
[gosh, can you Imagine!?]
“And you know I think unfortunately, the very smart bet that we made on Holocaust education to serve as anti-semitism education in this new media environment, I think that is beginning to break down a little bit because, you know, Holocaust education is absolutely essential, but I think it may be confusing some of our young people about antisemitism,” Hurwitz said.
“Because they learn about big, strong Nazis hurting weak, emaciated Jews, and they think oh, antisemitism is like anti-black racism, right? Powerful white people against powerless black people.
So, when on TikTok all day long, they see powerful Israelis hurting weak, skinny Palestinians, it’s not surprising that they think, Oh, I know the lesson of the Holocaust is you fight Israel. You fight the big powerful people hurting the weak people.”
[sounds
like SOMEONE’s
catching the FUCK On!]
Hurwitz isn’t denying Israel’s abuses or framing its genocidal atrocities as the problem, she’s just coming right out and saying that people obtaining information and moral clarity about those abuses is the problem.
The atrocities aren’t wrong,
what’s wrong is people seeing those
atrocities and calling them what they are.
–Caitlin Johnstone; November 18, 2025
Oodles, more, chillingly:
https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/zionists-are-freaking-out-about-losing
and
now
Back
to aipac
@48
“the alliance between western progressives and Hamas”
for a sicsokbott
you surely Are a
Lying little Bitch!
😁 lol lol lol lol 😁
@49: lol here comes Kristofarian to warn everyone about the (((Zionist))) education conspiracy 🤣🤣🤣
@48: “… the basis for the alliance between western progressives and Hamas.”
As it was nicely put at the beginning of the IDF-Hamas war:
‘…a misguided transposition of Western identity politics onto the Middle East that collapses all nuance and reduces a complex situation into a simple binary of “oppressor versus oppressed.” As such, leftists in English-speaking nations tend to see Palestine (including Hamas) as an oppressed, brown victim class whose freedom-fighting “resistance” against their oppressive, white, US-backed colonizers in Israel is a righteous cause with which to stand in solidarity. This simplistic view of the long-standing conflict in the Middle East leads to confused and contradictory thinking, as seen in the slogan (and now meme) “Queers for Palestine” brandished at anti-Israel rallies. It’s worth exploring just how incoherent this concept is.’
(https://www.queermajority.com/essays-all/queers-for-palestine-and-the-death-of-irony)
‘leftists in English-speaking nations
tend to see Palestine (including
Hamas) as an oppressed,
brown victim class’
-@the Wormtongue,
propagandizing derr
Schlogg, just above
Hamas IS the Oppressor
and we ALL Can See it
and your evil Narrative
is Dying wormmy.
on the Wrongest
Side of History
you And your
AI siksock-
puppet
Are
@51
we can See your evil narrative
Dying right in front of our
very Eyes thump-
fnsorna. see:
@49
and Now
the World
is Seeing it
TOO.
“Wow, this place certainly has turned into a haven for bigots, xenophobes and Israeli influnce peddlers.
Maybe it’s time for the comment section to go the way of the Portland Mercury before it turns into the cesspit at Willamette Week.”
Boo hoo, people with opinions that conflict with Progressive Religious Dogma are commenting here, shut it down!!!
Everyone needs to understand that kristofartian is, in real life, Calvin Priest, Kshama Sawant’s husband. He has nothing else to do. Imagine being married to her, you’d probably turn into kristofartian too.
Expanding on @48 & @52, that Queer Majority article went on to describe how Pro-Palestinian advocates denounced any citations of actual LGBTQ+ human-rights records by governments in the Middle East. The reason, of course, is that Israel is the only country in the region where LGBTQ+ persons can live openly, and this obvious fact invalidates the Pro-Palestinian narrative of Israel as the lone oppressor, and of Hamas as the liberator.
The Stranger would go to great lengths in validating this criticism, firmly subordinating LGBTQ+ interests to Pro-Palestinian activism:
‘As Dave MacBale, a queer Palestinian Washingtonian, said, “There’s homophobia in Palestine because Palestine is on planet earth. If you ask any woman or queer person or trans person if they feel like they have full rights or full liberation anywhere in the world, they will all tell you no.” That includes the United States, MacBale added.’
(https://www.thestranger.com/news/2024/06/28/79578010/congressional-candidate-emily-randall-loses-the-left-after-taking-a-pro-israel-stance)
Blithely ignoring the difference between, “full rights … full liberation” and ‘summary execution without trial,’ allowed the Stranger to denigrate Israel’s human-rights record, whilst dismissing any concern about the miserable human-rights records of other governments in the region, Gaza’s included.
Someday, long after we will all always have been opposed to Hamas, the Stranger may come to regret the damage its fanaticism on Palestine did to LGBTQ+ rights everywhere, Gaza included.
Nice Caddyshack metaphor, Vivian. Bravo!
Hey, Danny Noonan—we’re all set for you to sink a birdie and dethrone Felon Mu$k’s Mein Trumpf ad nauseum.
Hey, Smails—double or nothing he makes it?
Hey, Mr. Gopher……
It’s going to be an interesting midterm.
How ironic that everyone in Felon Mu$k’s Mein Trumpf’s goon squad HAS a criminal record.
ICE agents and their lackeys, as usual, are barking up the wrong tree.
@24 kristofarian: The trolls are getting SO terminally stupid they fall right into their own quagmires these days.
It’s getting too easy to slam dunk ’em.
@55: Oh, I get it. You’re the latest in the trio of trolling idiots pulled ran-dumbly out of Felon Mu$k’s Mein Trump’s cavernous butt. Which one are you supposed to be, Larry, Curly, or Moe?
@45
“I’m just stating
what I think is an
overwhelming moral
and practical case against
the particular choices [thedjt]’s made.
If you support those choices
and want to defend them convincingly,
then you have to make a case for them on their merits.
By demanding instead
that Trump’s critics pledge allegiance
to a patently unrealistic ideal and declaring victory when
they refuse, you’re essentially just creating and destroying a straw man.”
CKathes (brilliantly, as per usual), seen here
Schooling mister magoo (our resident myopia-
denying Nihilist) in a take that’ll Never get taken,
sadly, ad astra, ad vomitas and ad fucking infinitum
@55
damn! I’ve been
Outted by a piece
of Cutlery. well done!
Kudos, to You, “Sharpie”!
(or, having perused your
‘poo’-infused postings, do
you Prefer “Sharpoo”? keep me
Posted!
@56
“Someday, long after
we will all always have been
opposed to Genocide, the Wormtongues
of this World may come to regret the damage
their fanaticism on Gaza/Palestine and devotion to
AIPAC did to Mother Nature, LGBTQ+ rights, Jewish
People, fucking Israel, oh and what the Hell, Humanity.”
there.
Fixed it
for ya. Very
Well Put, evn 4 U!
@59: “Which one are you supposed to be, Larry, Curly, or Moe?”
grizelda’s snappy boomer insults always sound like the dialogue to some vietnam war movie or something. Like that must have slayed in 1972 or whatever 😂😂😂
@59
nevertheless,
I join you, auntie GEE,
in your Yoeman’s Work,
slamdunking & debunking
these Fascists and Trolls @tS!
thank you!
@61
thumpfnsorna
Wormtongue, popping up,
and Right On Cue! Kudos 2 U, 2!
@13
for someone
who Refuses to read
my ‘Unreadable’ comments
who gets dizzy when their tunnel
vision gets tested, you Surely seem to
know ALOT about my comments’ Contents.
how Is this even Possible?
b. why do you need
2 accounts (bipps “Buggers”
bippie AND Sharpie “Sharpoo!” MacSharpie)?
c. how on Earth’re
you even Able to
keep Track of
’em Both?
d. I can Barely
‘keep track’
of my me-
asly One.
f. Happy
Trolling!
@46 “the All Gaza All the Time crew here”
You mean you and thumpus?
@65
no.
wormmy
wouldda said
Team AIPAC if he’d
meant ‘him’/them. he was including
d13R, “Buggers” McBippie, and KkKoolie McAide et nausea
in his All-Gaza-All-the-Time crew.
@65: lol I’ve noticed Gaza is a lot less fun for you now that your genocide narrative is in tatters. 😂 you been so quiet lately, what happen? 🤣
@61: It’s been going on for years and she’s steadily getting worse. So cringing! Friends and family have had interventions to no avail. Best we can do is say a prayer for her – God Bless.
@67 “your genocide narrative is in tatters”
Disagree.
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds
@67: “your
genocide nar-
rative is in tatters.”
oh, thumpfsorna T.
Wormtongue, you
Crack Me UP!
@10:
😄That’s why
the UN Security Council
peace plan calls for Gaza to dis-
arm but not for Israel to disarm. 😎
thumpus on November 18, 2025 at 11:00 AM Report this
Odd, aF
I find it, you,
thumpfnsorna T.
Wormtongue, to put
ANY Stock atall in the U. N. Security
Council, the very same one Who DECIDED
ISRAEL IS COMMITTING WAR CRIMES IN GAZA*
whilst you, and your puppetmaster, the
Wormtongue, spent Billions of Pixels
on denying the FUCK Outta
That, for the past TWO
fucking years.
kristofarian on November 18, 2025 at 11:56 AM
*UN Human Rights Council:
“Israel Has IN FACT Committed Genocide in Gaza”
“now that your genocide narrative is in tatters. 😂”
two fucking years.
now is the Time
for you to Declare:
You’ve ALWAYS been
Against the Genocide
in Gaza, Wormtongue!
see: @60
@69: ha ha, that’s your source? The Human Rights Council has a standing agenda item to criticize Israel, the only country for which such a permanent mandate exists. 😄 They’ve issued more condemnations of Israel than they have all other member states combined. 😅 Your press release could just say, “Israel-Basing Committee Bashes Israel.” 🤣
@70: Heh, I think you might be mixing up the UN Security Council and the UN Human Rights Council? Because one of those bodies speaks with the force of international law and one of them does not. You might want to sort out which is which? 😂
@71 “The Human Rights Council has a standing agenda item to criticize Israel”
That’s what happens when you habitually violate human rights
ah
Butt
@1312
you do Not
‘Understand’:
Israel
according to our
far reichwing commentators
IS THE V I C T I M.
and Gazan Civilians?
the fucking
PERPS.
please to make
a fucking
NOTE
of it?
thnx!
@73: “That’s what happens when you habitually violate human rights”
You’d think so, but it turns out no, it’s a permanent double standard for Israel. 😜
@73 https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTZjMDliOTUyaXZxOWV0emk5dWVmZzh6dzN0enB3ZmZ6Zng2MGI0Y3l6cjExMHBmdyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/KIejvpaS6QrAOdCLvu/giphy.gif
@69: Hey, thanks for validating my points, above!
“The Council had already adopted 100 resolutions against Israel, more than one third of all country-specific resolutions in the Council’s history. At the same time, attempts to adopt resolutions on other situations were blocked by the very States now decrying double standards. The sponsors of the draft resolution sought only to target Israel. They did not care about human rights; they did not care about lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer and intersex persons in their own countries…”
(https://www.un.org/unispal/document/human-rights-council-summary-record-of-the-57th-meeting-agenda-item-7-human-rights-situation-in-palestine-and-other-occupied-arab-territories-a-hrc-52-sr-57-excerpts/)
Neither did Dave MacBale. Neither did the Stranger. Someday, long after everyone has always been against Hamas, these failures to support LGBTQ+ rights may live on.
@77: not much room for human rights when half the docket every year is taken up with pummeling Israel! 😄 Ironically, the council’s anti-Israel reports would carry more weight if the council were less prejudiced against Israel – there would be at least the appearance of impartiality, which would enhance credibility. 😛