So the scare quotes alone prove that it wasn't attempted murder? Are we supposed to overlook the usage of quick drying cement?

Sports Strike! So what? Nobody cares.

Also, Volt is no startup, it's been around for decades.

Stupid drama queen cop overreacted, probably “fearing for his life”. When are we going to learn to stop hiring meatheads to be law enforcement?

Arson may not be attempted murder but it still is pretty serious. If you doubt that take a walk through Occidental Square and look at the memorial to the firefighters who died fighting an arson fire.

The Sounders have also postponed their game tonight.

@13
Yes, he did survive, although he is reported as paralyzed.
Which means the good taxpayers will be coughing up hundreds of thousands of dollars - maybe a few million, for yet another police screw-up.

He did not even own the gun legally, but because he was white, FOR HOURS, police watched Kyle Rittenhouse walk all over town with it, and just gave him a pass. ⁣
Then he murdered men and maimed others. ⁣
⁣Then walked right past police and drove himself to Illinois. ⁣

FUCK EVERY PIECE OF SHIT ON THIS FORUM SAYING JACOB BLAKE DESERVED TO BE SHOT. THIS WHITE SUPREMACIST SHIT BAG WITH A MURDER WEAPON, WALKING AROUND SHOOTING AND KILLING PEOPLE, WHO POLICE DID NOTHING TO OR ABOUT, IS THE ANIMAL THAT NEEDS TO BE SHOT. HIS WHITE ASS IS ALIVE AND HE'LL BE GIVEN DUE PROCESS.

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So what? I carry a fucking knife all the time, as did my step father and my grandfather. Last I checked carrying a knife in public was not a capitol offense subject to summary execution - or does that just apply to Black people?

David dear, I think I found that Zogby poll you are referring to. It was an on-line (I.e. self-selecting) poll of 350 African-Americans. Zogby is well-respected for his traditional polling, but he’s something of a joke when it comes to his on-line stuff.

But by all means, if it makes you feel good, you should go with it. You seem to get so few pleasures out of life.

That Times article would be better if they also weighed in on eating outdoors at restaurants. Are they also refusing to do that? To me, it’s the happy medium.

Has anyone ruled out the possibility Blake was taking the 3 kids to therapy after their witnessing his physical and sexual assault on their mother 6 weeks ago?

Could be relevant.

@15 - I said a day or two ago that it spoke volumes that the Kenosha police hadn't put out a statement about any kind of weapon on Blake. There are still a few departments that have this outdated and misguided idea that stating publicly that a weapon was found at the scene of the shooting somehow compromises the integrity of their investigation. It does not.

Nowadays, the vast majority of LE officials know this. If their officer(s) shoot someone under even remotely controversial circumstances, they'll shout it from the mountaintops if the subject had any kind of a weapon at all, any kind, and how it was displayed or used. They'll even release a photo/video of it sometimes. They will not let their communities burn and people get killed and injured if releasing whether a weapon was present/used would help mitigate such unrest. It's outright negligence not to.

So, I don't doubt their claim that a knife was found or where it was found. I do doubt it was planted or that KPD is fabricating it. But...there's still something fishy. They sat on it for wayyy too long, and they're not saying what its role was.

Was it in Blake's hand or just visible on his person? That makes a huge difference. For instance, it was exceedingly common for men to have one of those folding Buck knives in the little belt holster on them when I was a cop. Yet we routinely arrested them without incident. The cop yelling at him to drop it does not necessarily mean he had in hand.

Cops are trained to keep commands simple. If a gun or other weapon is seen merely on the subject's person and not their hand, they may well just revert to the "drop it" command. Usually, however, if it's not in the subject's hand, they'll far more often order the subject not to move and provide more direction on how they want to disarm him.

The knife's placement on the floorboard doesn't mean anything. It could have fallen there from his waistband when he was shot, or the cops could have thrown it there to put it out of his reach when they secured him. It could even have been there before he tried to enter the truck. It could have also been in his hand. But we don't know any of that.

If it was in hand, and he attempted to use it against officers lawfully detaining him and preventing him from committing an offense (allegedly stealing a car, for one), the shooting will be justified...probably. It still may have been better to let him drive away and apprehend him at his destination, although that's not really, um...ideal. A disabling maneuver may have been an option. The presence of the kids, even though they're his, complicates the decision.

My GF and I were calmly hashing this out this AM while speculating on various possibilities the cops may have faced, and I told her that sometimes as a cop "you're just put into shitty situations with no good options; it's just incumbent on you to decide on the least shitty option."

If I had to wildly guess, I'd guess Blake had the knife on his person and not in his hand when he was shot. He either pulled and dropped the knife after being shot, or the cops disarmed him and put it on the floorboard merely as a handy place to place it out of his reach. He may even have been attempting to comply with officer commands, and the cop got jumpy and shot.

Still, it is also possible he was pulling it to use on the cop, but there is something really very weird about how tight-lipped KPD is being about it. It indicates a problem with justification. They should be singing justification reasoning loud and proud...if it justification was there.

David dear, I get invitations for polls from Zogby, Mason-Dixon, YouGov, etc all the time (I love taking polls!). Most of them think I’m a 30 something woman in Iowa with two children who makes most of the decisions on household purchases, and who’d “rather not say” what race I am, although it seems like I could change that at anytime. As far as I can tell, they get your info when you register products and fill out the little questionnaire (registering products is another one of my favorite things to do)

It’s may be 2020, but internet polling still leaves much to be desired.

@53 - Not usually.
People physically resist without weapons far more often than the public is aware. I know it's shocking, but it turns out people don't like going to jail. A cop may have a gun out, but the number of examples where he/she can use deadly force on an unarmed resisting subject is exceedingly rare.

That's sometimes even true of an armed resisting subject. It depends on the weapon, its location, and how the resisting subject is using/attempting to use it...if he is. The use of deadly force is rightly highly restricted, to an extent greater than most of the public, especially cop supporters, also seem to be aware.

@57: Morty is a retired cop punkin.