That’s a direct quote from the Catholic Bishop that Pope Benedict—former Hitler Youth, btw—just ex-ex-communicated and welcomed back into the Catholic Church.

More at Sullivan.

81 replies on ““There was not one Jew killed by the gas chambers. It was all lies, lies, lies.””

  5. There were never any Christians thrown to lions, no Christian ever suffered for their faith and Jesus died of old age peacefully in his sleep.

  6. I’m delighted this Pope is unable to keep a lid on his shit. He thinks infallibility means no checks and balances on his stupid notions. I have my fingers crossed that this increases the chance of a desperately needed revolt in the other direction, I hope while he lives, or at least once he’s dead.

    Sure, there’s drama in the meantime, but if all the Church is good for right now is as an easy cultural target, at least it’s good for that.

  7. I wish there was more information. How long ago did this guy say that stuff? Does he still believe it or has he issued some statement saying he was an idiot and completely wrong?

  9. Fucking Ratzinger wants to single-handedly undo Vatican II, which is the only reason there are still any American Catholics at all.

    And this disgusting bishop he just “rehabilitated” is also the absolute worst kind of misogynist – doesn’t think women should go to universities, become professionals, or even wear PANTS. He ought to simply become a member of the Taliban and be done with it.

  16. This is especially outrageous since most of your top Nazis were homosexuals, this homophobic cleric is trying to deprive them of the credit due.

  17. Has anyone read any articles arguing that gas chambers were not used as a means of execution in the concentration camps? I actually think they’re pretty convincing, and even though it’s obviously not a popular position to hold, I’m pretty skeptical of the use of gas on prisoners there as well. I just don’t see much proof backing up the claims.

  18. You know, the thing is the real Nazis were a bunch of aspiring burghers and elitists. They wouldn’t have anything to do with the PWT that has adopted them. Most “American Nazis” would end up in the gas chamber themselves for being degenerates.

  19. You’re off course discounting the testimony of people that worked in those camps and the documentation from the Nazi regime that survived.

    Note you can still see the fake shower heads in the gas chambers from Dachau, because of course if you’re going to delouse people you need that.

    Typically the Holocaust revisionists go to one of the concentration camp sites and do a bunch of chemical tests on the remains, then announce, ta-da, no chemical residue indicating poison. Of course the fact that it’s 60 years later and they’re not even doing the correct chemical tests isn’t known to the reader, who is most cases already wants to believe it didn’t happen.

    Nazi troll go away.

  22. It actually just struck me how inefficient the methods of the supposed ‘mass killings’ actually are. I don’t think anyone really doubts the cruelty at the concentration camps, but I do find it hard to believe that they’d have to come up with all these creative methods to kill someone when a single bullet to the head would have sufficed. Why on earth would you make an airtight room, herd people into it, and gas them when you could easily shoot them or poison them?
    Yeah, actually, I hadn’t given it a whole lot of thought before, but after reading all the indignation above, I’m pretty convinced that the concentration camps were not ‘death camps’ meant for extermination… I bet there was a lot of cruelty there, and a lot of effort to conceal how many people died from disease and malnutrition, but that there was no extermination program. I’d argue that it was all part of a narrative built by people who wanted to explain how terrible their experience was, and it all got a little out of hand.

    Though the Pope is still a tool, even if he is right on this one.

  24. @ Bob

    Um, not even mainstream historians believe that there was ever a gas chamber at Dachau anymore, or any other camp in Germany. The killing is alleged to have happened at the eastern camps in Poland, the camps captured by the Soviets. Really, I find it funny when people lecture others on a topic they have little knowledge about themselves. I suppose you still believe in Nazi shrunken heads and soap made from Jewish fat?

  25. 17-
    It doesn’t really matter what the method was. Millions of people died. Who cares how they died? The fact that they were murdered at all is really what the Holocaust deniers are trying to discredit. If they weren’t gassed, they were starved or worked to death or shot or whatever. If you don’t believe that, then where did they go? Val-fucking-halla?

  26. @22 Why would you waste bullets on someone not actually shooting at you? And there were many types of camps; some for gassing, some for working people to death, and others where people were just left to rot. I don’t see the Nazis as stupid or inefficient. They got labor and goods out of the people they could use, and disposed of those they couldn’t in ways that didn’t waste valuable metals that could be killing others.

  28. @22,

    The methods of killing varied. In countries where the general population couldn’t do anything about it or where they actively supported “de-Jewification”, the Nazis killed Jews en masse with bullets and buried them in shallow graves. IIRC, in Lithuania, 90 percent of the Jewish population was exterminated within the first year of the Nazi occupation. In countries where they couldn’t get away with it quite so easily, they found it necessary to ship Jews to camps to gas them or work them to death.

  29. Having been to Dachau and talked to the people there. I believe the gas chambers were never used. As the nice german explained to us, gas was expensive to produce, it was much easier to simply shoot the prisoners (or let them die of starvation). I believe millions of people were killed, I don’t think a lot were killed with fake showers dispersing gas.

  31. Most of the documents for the camps were captured by the Allies, with the exception of the Reinhardt camps. We have the death books for the Western camps and we can see that the death rate for internees was rather low until the end of the war when the German infrastructure began to collapse. Maybe the allies should have thought about the innocent people in the camps before they bombed the rails lines which provided food and medical supplies. You can read Camp Commandant Josef Kramer’s repeated and desperate requests for supplies, which went unanswered because there were no supplies, and even if there were there would have been no way to transport them. Imagine if the Japanese had begun a huge bombing campaign of the US West Coast, targeting rail lines, farm land, cities, power plants, and vehicle convoys, then launched a ground invasion and found the starving and diseased inmates of Japanese Internment Camps, they would say “Look! Look at what these Americans have done!”

    A lot of people died, and the Germans bear the responsibility of putting civilians in camps in the first place, but Germany never intentionally murdered thousands of inmates, these people were the victims the brutality of war, not genocide. The fact is that after the war there were millions of holocaust survivors who emigrated to the US, Canada, and the newly created state of Israel. There were simply far too many survivors for millions to have been killed, the population data from the time simply doesn’t support it.

  32. Um, yeah. Isn’t it funny how most of the people who try to argue that the Holocaust never occurred just happen to be anti-Semitic, too?

    There is a reason the Allies went to great lengths to document what actually happened – as reflected by the apologist and/or simply pig ignorant posts on this thread. Yes Jews were shot. Yes Jews were gassed (f.e – at Auschwitz). Yes Jews were worked to death. Yes Jews subjected to vivisection.***

    As I understand it, the use of gas occurred in better organized locations because you could separate out those who were going to live and work and those who would die immediately in a manner that gave all of these victims an illusion of normalcy. Marching people off by the hundreds with a subsequent volley of gunfire tends to make the next batch of victims much less manageable.

    Jello Biafra said it best – Nazi Punks Fuck Off.

    (***None of which is an excuse for current Israeli policies)

  33. The first-person testimony of both guards and inmates, as well as the mass of contemporary German records, are absolutely clear on the fact that Jews in camps were systematically murdered as a matter of German policy, and that gas chambers were used as one means of carrying this policy into effect.

    Details – what exactly happened where, and when – are open for debate. The plain fact of the Holocaust is not.

  34. “Christains” are always looking for someone to persecute and murder. And to me it’s ironic that Isreal panders to Evangelicals, the very worst of the persecutors, who are just waiting for the chance to mass murder Jews. And Heather, maybe you were being sarcastic, but it might interest you to know that the first Christains continued the traditions of burning people alive.

  35. And robin: for someone who is clearly able to read, your comments are disingenuous and disgusting.

    Or can you name a mainstream historian who denies the existence of gas chambers in the Third Reich? Poland was a part of Germany at the time, remember?

  36. There were simply far too many survivors for millions to have been killed, the population data from the time simply doesn’t support it.

    The number of Holocaust “survivors” has increased over the years. It used to be defined by people who survived the camps or hid in a closet to avoid the Nazis. It’s since been expanded to cover pretty much anyone who avoided being persecuted by the Nazis, including Jews who were smart enough to leave Germany/Western Europe before the war started.

    So, in other words, Robin, your pig ignorance isn’t fooling anyone.

    these people were the victims the brutality of war, not genocide.

    Care to explain why many Eastern European Jews didn’t even make it to the camps and were simply massacred?

  39. @31 – yeah, the Nazis put Jews, gays and other people into camps and they just happened to die. So it’s really nobody’s fault.

    Seriously, fuck off.

  43. The nazi scum seem to forget that in the end their hero, hitler took the cowards way out and swallowed a bullet. They should follow that example. Scratch a facsist and you find a coward.

  47. #22
    Fool – they killed by ALL means – tons of mass graves with bullets to the head …

    Get real, shitbird – FYI bullets cost money, labor intensive, one at a time. Gas was cheap and efficent – it is all documented over and over and over.

    Including survivors with the numbers tatooed on arms, tens of thousands word wide…. and the liberating armies of ten nations who saw it all at the end … incl. my grandfather who never really got over the horror those troops encountered … he was an Army bridge engineeer, thus, among the first of the advancing allied armies of liberation … his nightmares lasted twenty years and every day he muttered at times trying to forget … the whole family learned how to take him in your arms and tell him he was home and loved and it would be OK

    God, you people. Do some research, read, look at the photos. Talk to the remaining old folks who were there.

  48. Hey little nazi boys. America is going to forever be multicultural. The election of Obama who has power over you for the next four to eight years is just the beginning. Obama represents the face of America to the whole world. By mid century America will be majority non white. A fact that I as a proud traitor to the white race welcome. I will to all in my power to subvert, undermine, and destroy white privlidge.
    The time of white domination is finished. You have less of a chance here than the former white rulers of South Africa did twenty years ago. Go fuck yourselves.
    Treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity

  49. Keshmeshi @28 is correct. It is no accident that Auschwitz was in Poland, which reeked of anti-Semitism before and after the war. Contrast Poland to the Netherlands, where non-Jews hid their Jewish neighbors in their homes (see Anne Frank and Corrie Ten Boom), or Denmark where the underground helped Jews escape safely to neutral Sweden. True, there was anti-Semitism in these countries as everywhere, but the large scale death camps were able to exist in occupied countries where Hitler’s “Final Solution” had the support of the locals.

    We have moved a bit away from the original topic, which is that Pope Adolf II is letting this Nazi asshole off the hook. Sounds like what the church did with the child-molesting priests. If I were Catholic I would soon be an ex-Catholic.

  50. You know, I was raised rather Catholic, although I didn’t go to Catholic school – and maybe that’s why I’m not at all bitter about it.

    When I go home to see my mom, I always go to mass with her, just to keep the peace and “keep a hand in”, as it were.

    While at church, I always think of my dad and his Jesuit education, and how he and mom taught us to be open to questioning people and concepts. That kept us from buying into the sacred cows of our provincial little corner of the world, Catholic or otherwise.

    I think of the Catholic homeless shelter that my mom still cooks for (she’s eighty-four) and how they make a point of not proselytizing. I think of the people in her parish who took the unused convent and turned it into a non-secular shelter for abused women.

    I think of the Sisters of Mercy hospital that my sister and I were born at, where I spent several weeks at when I had Rheumatoid Arthritis when I was a kid, and the stern old nurse/nun that helped me start walking again. That was the place where I spent a horrible Christmas eve my senior year in high school when two families I was close to had their loved ones bought there after two horrific accidents. The families weren’t Catholic – one was very much NOT Catholic – but the chaplain made sure their ministers were contacted and sat up with the survivors. It’s also the hospital where my dad died, and I remember how kind the nun/chaplain and the doctor were when they told us that it was time to pull the plug on dad, and how they stayed in the room with us while he died.

    I think of my great aunt who was a Benedictine nun, and how she, and her fellow sisteres, and our Bishop would regularly get arrested for protesting the military.

    I really am a well-adjusted retired Catholic, who recognizes the many small good things that people in the church do every day.

    But then I read about stuff like this stunt by the Pope, and it just drives me crazy. It’s times like this that I wish my dad – a WWII veteran who was present just after the liberation of Auschwitz, and told us about his first-hand experience at that horrible place – were still alive, so we could bitch to each other about this.

    I really don’t know what to say. It’s simply unbelievable to me.

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