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yes, because you are an ignorant asswipe.
look up ‘conservative’ sometime……
Why the fuck does this matter? Islamist terrorists are conservative and we still call them extremists. Suicide bombers and rampaging shooters represent conservativism only if eco terrorists represent liberalism.
The Murdoch outlets are crime organizations with no journalistic integrity anyway. Why do we care?
The world according to conservatives- Fail!
They don’t even call him “right wing” or “nationalist” or anything like that. You can bet that if it was ecoterrorism, they’d call him liberal or at least a leftist.
C word = Christian? When are so called moderate Christians going to condemn this terrorism?
Maybe he just thought of how oxymoronic it’d sound to say “conservative extremist”?
Prompt @8, I think the word you were looking for is “redundant.”
@7 About the same time the Islamic community condemns Islamic extremist terrorism I’d imagine. I wish everyone could say “this kind of violence may be done in our name, but it does not reflect who we are as a people, and it has no place in this world.”
The omission of ‘conservative’ is understandable, though obviously skewing. What’s sad is the actual reporting. They talk as though Breivik was extremely active on social sites, when he had just signed up for them a few days before his attack, and only sent out his 1500 page manifesto hours beforehand. The biggest problem with FOX News isn’t its bias, but its inability to inform.
So this male host has a few flaws in his “reporting” when he suggests that Norway needs to instate capital punishment: Do we have capital punishment here in the USA? Did the Oklahoma City bombing happen here in the USA? Hmmm… thought so. Capital punishment. Works like a charm. (end sarcasm)
He’s not a “conservative” by any stretch of the imagination. He’s right-wing. There is a difference. Christian, Christianist, Right-wing, Nationalist, white supremacist, anti-Muslim — these all work.
@10 – I’m pretty sure I’ve heard moderate Muslims say almost exactly that. In fact, I used to work for a Muslim family not long after 9/11. They were quick to denounce everything about extremist Islam, and adamant about their patriotism. Or are you waiting to hear from the President of Moderate Islam?
@10, I believe that happened most blatantly in the late days of 2001, when even Iran condemned the terrorism of 9/11. Those who stand to benefit in some (often indirect) fashion from the violence of their ideological cousins may wiggle a bit in condemning attacks on civilians, but most people, regardless of their worldviews, do not shy away from such things. It’s silly to play the sort of game you’re playing.
I clicked through to her web site and I first read the title as “Atlas Hugs.” That would have been better.
And people wonder why I dropped my cable TV a few months back.
People pay to have this shit pumped into their homes? No wonder the country is stupid.
@14, 15 I believe you guys are right, and that some attacks were denounced, but I also see reports of people cheering in the streets at the news of 9/11. I think it is beneath any culture to celebrate any of these attacks.
Part of the conservative argument against Islam is that they are complicit in muslim extremism, not helped when major clerics are the ones supporting the violence. Make it a clear point that you don’t support this and do what you can to fight it too. It has started to become commonplace to lump the normal Christians and Muslims in with the extremists, and it only serves to inflame the ties between these cultures.
@13, if his Facebook page really is his, and if its content is earnest, then he considers himself a conservative. According to the BBC, he “describes himself as a Christian and conservative on Facebook page attributed to him”.
He seems to believe that Muslim immigration into Norway and Europe has threatened traditional thought, law, and ways of living. He also seems to believe in and wish to defend what he sees as these traditional values. He was also a long-time member of Norway’s conservative party.
So he appears to consider himself a conservative, believes himself to be defending conservative values, and has been a paying member of conservative political groups. Can you please explain again how, “He’s not a ‘conservative’ by any stretch of the imagination”?
@11, he deleted his long-time Facebook account and started a new one. There are reports of people who were his Facebook friends before. He was indeed very active in the right-wing hate-blog community and had been for a decade.
Indeed, it is this connection that the news should be making, and is making outside of America. These blogs all implicitly make the call to violence that Breivik heeded. After all, according to them, the situation is so grim that violent resistance is the only conceivable way out. That’s where the rhetoric leads. The mystery isn’t that this guy went off, it’s that more of them haven’t done so.
I thought you meant “Christian,” ’cause, you know. He was that too.
Just sayin’, it’s kinda important.
The mainstream media didn’t refer to the Jewish Federation shooter or the Ft Hood shooter and an extreamist, terrorist or Muslim. Yet the headline of the New York Times refers to this guy as a “right wing Christian”. You won’t find them referring to the above attacks as committed by a Muslim in the headline
@20, fair enough. Still, they don’t make it clear that the manifesto wasn’t out there until it was essentially too late. The general drift of their discussion is, “Norway missed the obvious,” but what they offer doesn’t show this to be the case, knowing a bit more. I don’t know if the information was available to them at the time, but had they mentioned that the authorities had actually been tipped to Breivik’s purchase of at least one questionable chemical, they would have done more to make the case than anything they said there.
Anyway, I maintain this piece is bad reporting, regardless of whether or not the argument they make might ultimately be worth considering.
@17 Cable sucks! Congratulations!
@10 As others have pointed out, there have been a host of Muslims denouncing the violence done in their name.
The problem is, that is not enough to end it. Slavery didn’t end because of abolitionist broadsheets being circulated – it ended because of a very bloody war. The Islamic world is going through a similar kind of war of cultural definition.
Which “conservatives” are these, raindrop? Care to name names?
Paul,
This is ridiculous. Why should you care whether Fox News uses (or not) the term “conservative” or even “Christian”? What happened in Norway was a horrible, tragic and terroristic act no matter what side of the political debate you’re on. Why are you watching Fox news anyway? I’m right of center and I certainly don’t watch or read it for that matter. This “spinning” is silly. Maybe Fox News reporting is poor, fair enough. But, dissecting it to be sure it is “fair and balanced” in your eye is futile.
@24, spoken like a true TV viewer.
@8 is correct. “Conservative” isn’t a word we could correctly apply to any of this man’s action.
@26 – … and they’re not that anymore. What happened to them? Why do you still support them now that they’re not?
@30, except as I’ve shown above.
I thought conservative means to be resistant to change.
By that standard Obama is a conservative. The Norwegian baby killer should be titled a terrorist.
That his manifesto has been influenced by the Teabaggers should, I hope, be a wake up call to the apathetic “free-lunchers” that allowed their (Tbagger) delusional spew to poison their brains.
Sigh, Peace.
Nationalist, racist, religious… Islamic or Christian or Buddhist or whatever, they’re dangerous fuckers.
I cringe whenever the words “liberal” or “conservative” come up in a thread. It usually means it’s about to degenerate into a shitstorm of half-baked ideological bullshit. Those terms don’t mean anything anymore, and haven’t for some time. It’s time we all moved beyond the political false dichotomy that we were all taught in high school.
Real cute, them referring to Norway’s criminal justice system as “naive” when their homicide rate is hardly even measurable, compared with ours.
@34 The dangerous ones are the Islamists. Anyone for multiculturalism is an idiot, pure and simple. Muslims are NOT assimilating into their host countries. When the day comes that THEY are the majority, or even close to it, is the day you will be paying for your ignorance of allowing these animals into Europe.
Anyone that believes Islam is a religion of peace and is not a danger to the West, is a naive fool.
@34 The dangerous ones are the Islamists. Anyone for multiculturalism is an idiot, pure and simple. Muslims are NOT assimilating into their host countries. When the day comes that THEY are the majority, or even close to it, is the day you will be paying for your ignorance of allowing these animals into Europe.
Anyone that believes Islam is a religion of peace and is not a danger to the West, is a naive fool.
@Braxton, you’re an idiot.