THE MENTAL FACTORY
EDITOR: Inviting people to jump off the Fremont Bridge [“Why Not
Jump Off of Me?” The Fremont Bridge, Nov 13] or any bridge in Seattle
is not funny or responsible. Have you ever felt suicidal? I have. You
get to feeling very suggestible. It’s not the clearest time for the
mental factory to be working. The fact that a leap off the Fremont
Bridge would likely not result in death is not the point here. People
jump, stay in the water, and drown. According to the National Alliance
on Mental Illness, 90 percent of those who yearly kill themselves in
America are ill with a mental illness or a substance-abuse disorder.
They don’t need an invitation with a picture of a bridge and a cute
headline. They’re struggling enough as it is.
Naomi Stenberg
THE MOVEMENT
Editor: I was troubled by Dan Savage’s analysis of the defeat of
Prop 8 in “Strange Bedfellows” [“Eleven Writers on the First Week of a
New Era,” Nov 13]. Savage wrote that the African-American community is
homophobic, but dismissed gay and lesbian white racism as a significant
(or possible) reason for the black community’s opposition to Prop
8.
As an antiracist white person, I think that Savage’s white privilege
may be coloring his analysis. Savage is oppressed as a gay man, so of
course that seems like a huge issue to him. But as a white person, he
doesn’t have to think about racism, ever. And that’s the problem. White
people are usually racist in a covert or unconscious way. Why do you
think there are so many separate queer communities of color? Speak to a
queer person of color, and chances are they have lots of stories about
experiencing racism and alienation in the mainstream (white) queer
community.
Instead of dismissing black opposition to Prop 8 as pure bigotry,
everyone should try to examine the way the white gay and lesbian
movement interacts with communities of color, both queer and straight,
and look for subtle (to whites) racism in the organizing that was done
around Prop 8. Organizing queer folks and their allies in antiracist
ways will only help to build a stronger movement.
White Antiracist
THE REAL FAILURE
EDITOR: It’s really interesting to read all of the articles in
The Stranger and also the accompanying comments on Slog
regarding black people (I’m black and I hate the term African American)
and how they’re taking the blame for Prop 8 not going the way people
wanted it to go. I really feel that everyone needs to understand that
the real failure goes to the weakness of the California Supreme Court
decision regarding gay marriage and the fact that it wasn’t strong
enough to hold its own legislatively. Did no one think that it might be
challenged? The majority of black people I know don’t view
homosexuality the way that some of your writers do, [like] Charles
Mudede [“Some People,” Slog, Nov 13]. I think he’s full of shit; I
can’t think of one black family I know that doesn’t have an Aunt Frank
or Uncle Pat.
Look, personally I really don’t give a s@#t either way, but some
people did, and they voted with their conscience. Do we really have the
right to be pissed off because Prop 8 passed? NO, not really. What
everyone should really be pissed off about is that in this day and age
we allow others to control what happens in our personal lives.
C’mon, people, think! There’s the old adage: Opinions are like
assholesโeveryone has one and to some people they stink.
Rashaan Leex
THE BLEAK
INEVITABILITY
Dear Stranger: All of the divergent yet underlying proliberal
impressions postelection by your 11 writers informed, enlightened,
impressed, and blah blah blah’ed me [“Eleven Writers on the First Week
of a New Era,” Nov 13)โas expected. But then I reread Christopher
Frizzelle’s “The New Depression: Or, the Problem with Happiness” and
feltโif but for a momentโa brief kinship and the sense that
maybe I’m not alone in this vast universe.
Most political writers will focus on who won and why, the platform,
issues, and challenges of taking on the presidential
officeโbasically your laundry list of grievances and
lobbyist-speak. But I can always count on The Stranger to come
up with more, to look deeper, beyond the subject matter and the
consensus prattle. Frizzelle’s piece managed to stand out because his
impression wasn’t so much on our new president, Barack Obama, or our
state’s liberal leanings, as it was on our collective need to find
something to capture and hold our attention away from the bleak
inevitability of our oblivion.
Coggie

well why no pithy comment in response???
to
Naomi Stenberg from the writer of the article
[“Why Not Jump Off of Me?” The Fremont Bridge, Nov 13]
You usually repond with a comment from the writer of most articles you mention – why not this time?
was the author too distrought from someone commenting on their work? or are they seriously thinking about the absolutley awful thing that they did by writing such a heartless article?
Darral Good
the son of a good man who killed himself and left three children at home alone in 1964
Thank You, White Antiracist, for remaining ever vigilant towards The Gay Racist Conspiracyโข.
I found “Why not jump off me” rather funny, and I’ve been suicidal before during several terrible bouts of depression. I’m doing well now, thank goodness.
But sometimes I wonder if taking myself too seriously (and taking other things, like articles, too seriously) are what fueled my depression in the first place.
Maybe my thought process is just sick and wrong, I know. But depressives like a good laugh now and then, too. And well, it got me to laugh.
I, too have attempted suicide several times during my lifetime, and I LMAO over this article. This (formerly) suicidal man found the ludicrous idea of killing oneself from the Fremont Bridge uplifting. No one serious about ending their life would take the article seriously either. Get real folks.
“Lies are half-way around the world while the truth is still getting it’s shoes on.”
I read a great critique of the “70%” figure thrown around like pictures from the holocaust. 1) The counties that the polls were taken from had incredibly small black populations. 2) The black population of CA is also incredibly small, below Hispanic & Asian, unless for a few counties where it is well over 80%. None of the pollsters came near those counties. 3) The polling itself was restricted to a few hours on election day, ignoring pre-voting & absentee ballots. 4)The polls _do not_ say how many blacks were polled. 5? 20? over 100?
It is quite conceivable that the “70%” figure comes from less than 50 blacks polled that day, which is certainly not representative of blacks in CA. Indeed, the entire results of the polls showed that they were closely aligned w/ the final results. Even, as Dan points out, among the elderly, the final tally is must closer to the 52% total yes vote. Looking at the results, the # for blacks looks like more like an anomaly than anything else.
Dear White Antiracist,
Racism as defined by the ADL: It may be defined as the hatred of one person by another — or the belief that another person is less than human — because of skin color, language, customs, place of birth or any factor that supposedly reveals the basic nature of that person.
White people never have to experience racism? I beg to differ. That is a ridiculous claim and one that I am so sick of hearing. Racism is racism, and we’re all susceptible.
who is white anti racist? as far as I can tell he hasn’t posted anything on this article- I seriously hope you weren’t talking to me- it seems like you were since you posted you missive right after mine. please remove your comment if you were intentionally seaking to me.
WHO is the :
Rat King on November 21, 2008 at 11:32 AM and why did you respond to this article, your comments to “WHITEANTI RACIST” really don’t make any sense in relation to what we were talking about
I never heard of “WHITEANTI RACIST” before, he’s not in this thread at all which is why your comments do not belong here.