How It Feels

On Being Caught Off Guard

by Sarah Vowell

Even though I spend so much of my working life thinking and writing
about American history, I confess that the historical import of
electing the first black president caught me entirely off guard. When
it comes to electioneering, and especially governing, I’m decidedly
non-narrative. I voted for Barack Obama because he’s a reasoned,
reasonable, fairly traditional Democrat who has spent his whole life
doing his homework. But after the networks called the election in his
favor and all the old civil rights veterans started crying on national
TV, I was floored. Which is to say moved and proud and plain old happy.
Then, a little after midnight, Cory Booker, the rather riveting young
mayor of Newark, appeared on NBC. Then it hit me that not so long ago I
used to think that Booker would be the first black president—in
20 or 30 years.

Text Message from the Road

The Triumph of Reality in the Age of Bull (an Age That Has
Been Good to Me)

by John Hodgman

I have been exhausted since the election. I went back on book tour,
smelling of planes, barely able to follow the Maddow and The Daily Show and the many blogs that had been my full-time
job until recently. I have been alone in the strange monastery of
constant travel. Thus, the actualness of the election only seeps in
from time to time. Seeing the words “President-Elect Obama” on the
USA Today in front of the hotel-room door as I step over it.
Catching fractured bits and takes of the news on the flat screens
scattered around the airport, like a hundred mirrors reflecting
something I can’t see. I feel a little hollowed out and amazed it’s all
over.

Generally, I make jokes for a living. I make up fake facts for my
books and The Daily Show. I lie. But the Obama campaign
tempted me toward stultifying sincerity. I yearned for an Obama victory
not so much because of any particular policy, though I agree with most
of his, and not so much because of his personality, though he seems
like the sort of person I’d like to watch Battlestar Galactica with. Rather, he appealed to the geek in me—not in his tastes (he
likes sports), but in his seeming commitment to reality. Even though
I’ve profited from it, I haven’t entirely joyously been riding the
make-stuff-up-and-say-it-with-a-straight-face wave.

As I have written on the internet, the last eight years have been
dominated by a kind of jocklike bluster, on both sides of the aisle. We
attempted to win a war with a hopeful banner. Both Hillary Clinton and
John McCain campaigned with all the logic of a Successories poster:
that they could will their presidency into being simply by desiring it.
That no matter how behind they were by every real-world metric, they
could still win the big game by wishing it so. On the plane today, I
have been reading Newsweek, trying to catch up. (Have you heard
of it? It is something called a magazine, and you don’t need to turn it
off when you’re flying.) I read that on the night of the New Hampshire
primary, John McCain booked the same room that he had back when he won
New Hampshire in 2000, out of superstition. He also wore the same
sweater, and carried a lucky penny and “an Indian feather.” I have
never been more relieved to know that he is not our president.

Obama, meanwhile, did the most geeky thing possible: He worked the
math, Spock-like. While many would try to anoint him a liberal savior,
he showed himself a pragmatist, even when it was painful. His
compromise (some say “caving”) on telecom immunity on FISA was
queasying to the liberal blogosphere, but would we really have wanted
to trade an Obama presidency for a lawsuit against AT&T? His
defense of Donnie McClurkin singing his gay-recovery gospel at an Obama
event was disappointing, but his underlying point—that we can’t
address homophobia in churches simply by ignoring it—now seems
all the more urgent after Proposition 8. And while some tried to damn
him a commie terrorist, the efforts were crumpled by reality, the
common sense of his positions, the simple sincerity of his
smile—the first smile in politics I ever thought was real.

When the results came in, it felt like the sun coming up: a pleasant
relief after a long, long night. As it continues to come up, we will
feel the magic and happiness of this week ebb. Some days we will be
happy with Obama and some days we won’t. But at least he is not walking
around with a feather in his pocket.

My Fast-Beating Immigrant Heart

On Being from a Failed Empire

by Gary Shteyngart

Past seven years I’ve been joking about how I was born in one failed
empire (the USSR) and how someday I’m going to die in another one. Is
it time to retire that joke? I came to America as a child. I studied
hard, got circumcised, wrote two books, and then W. happened. I
remember how excited I was to get my first U.S. passport, how happily I
brandished it when going off to some ridiculous country where the
ruling elite gorged itself on oil profits while enemies of the state
were sent to roast in a dank tropical hell.

And then we became that country. Mr. Obama: Please make it better.
All that work, all that lost foreskin, all those years of mooing the
Pledge of Allegiance with one hand on my fast-beating immigrant
heart—give me some pride back. Raise our taxes, if you must.
We’ll write even more crap for The Stranger to make up the
difference. We’ll do anything to redeem our butchered ideals. Let us
throw off this threadbare imperial mantle. Weren’t we a nation
once?

Text Message from Ohio

What James Baldwin Taught Us, the Tears of Jesse Jackson,
and the Places Where Hope Is a Menace

by Adam Haslett

On September 25, 1957, President Eisenhower had to use the 101st
Airborne division of the United States Army to force the State of
Arkansas to admit nine black students to a public high school in Little
Rock. In 2009, two little black girls will play on the White House lawn
as their father sits in the Oval Office, commander in chief of that
same army. For this, I’m proud of my country. Proud of it for having
the nerve and the longing and the faith to bring Obama to where he is.
So much has been said about what this means for African Americans. But
thankfully their feeling of redemption is a shared one. As James
Baldwin taught us, black liberation was never only about black people.
It was also about whites being liberated from the tyranny of their own
white supremacy. I cried watching Jesse Jackson as he wept in Grant
Park. Jackson, the man who stood on the balcony in Memphis beside King
the day King was murdered. Obama’s gift to me is that Jackson’s tears
can now be mine. We’re crying about the same thing, without artifice or
fear, as you cry at any overwhelming joy—with happiness but also
allowing in, at long last, the ache of the time lost before joy
arrived. Only in joy do we allow ourselves to feel rather than simply
describe the darkness that preceded it. And so the political emotion of
hope contains within it our grief over torture and lies and needless
slaughter.

At noon on Election Day, in the windowless back room of a car
dealership in East Toledo, my boyfriend and I chatted with a UAW worker
named Sam and a shy, mixed-race queer kid. The two of them had just
finished their first get-out-the-vote canvassing shift that morning.
Sam ate his sloppy joe and talked about his Republican brother-in-law
losing his job of 27 years at Champion Spark Plug. The queer kid had
been texting his friends, and then he peered up, blushing, to admit
he’d never done this before and that it felt good.

What he’d never done, what we were all doing that day, was knocking
on the doors of working people—black, white, and Latino—in
housing projects and poor neighborhoods, where for every modest,
decently maintained house or apartment there were three or more badly
disheveled or vacant. Snarling dogs kept for protection rather than
companionship barked from behind many a closed blind. These people had
been struggling long before George W. Bush came into office, and their
circumstances are unlikely to change dramatically with the inauguration
of a president constrained by two wars and a government in the fiscal
ditch. Here, it seemed, hope could be a menace. A taunt. But in many
homes, mostly those of black folks, there were black-and-white posters
of Obama in profile, hand raised to his chin in contemplation, the
words VOTE NOW emblazoned across the top, and along the side a quote of
his reason for running, including the phrase, “because I believe there
is such a thing as being too late.”

Around the world, Americans are often ridiculed for their
naiveté, for their ignorance of the grim power of history to cut
idealism down off its pedestal. And indeed, mixed with ignorance and
incompetence, our naiveté is deadly, as we have come to see in
Iraq. But there is a reason that people from all over the world look at
us differently now than they did on November 3. Because in our endless
innocence we once again took the risk of believing.

Text Message from Chicago

A Report from the Neighborhood
Where Obama
Lives

by Annie Wagner

I’m pretty sure I can see Barack Obama’s house from my fire escape.
It’s hard to make out details through the trees beyond the synagogue,
though, and I can’t walk over to check it out, because as of Election
Day, the Secret Service has expanded Obama’s security perimeter.

Hyde Park isn’t glamorous. The most popular eatery is a steam-table
restaurant where five bucks gets you a vegetable omelet (American
cheese, baby) and delicious hash browns. A few weeks ago, a block away
from me, a woman was captured on surveillance camera being trapped by a
stranger in the lobby of her apartment building and then
sexually assaulted in the garbage room. So the fact that one of my
other neighbors will be the 44th president is taking a while to sink
in.

If it’s hard for you to believe that this country actually elected
president a black man, an intellectual, a city dweller, and a
second-generation American, try living in Chicago, where people are
still dizzy. Downtown simply shut down after the rally Tuesday night:
Thousands of pedestrians shunned the sidewalks, dancing and high-fiving
and hugging strangers while stranded motorists looked on, grinning. The
next day, the mayor festooned city hall with Shepard Fairey banners.
And my law school posted a dinky color printout in the student lounge,
congratulating “former Senior Lecturer Barack Obama.” Unreal.

What Africa Knows

Africans Now Live in Another Kind of Africa

by Charles Mudede

An old black man is slowly walking down a steep hill. Two white
women in a new but already dented BMW stop and let a very pregnant
Asian woman cross the street—she seems ready to drop her load on
the spot. As a plumber’s truck passes, I read on its side: “Away goes
trouble down the drain.” In the distance, cars flowing up to the
freeway. Further still, a string of airplane lights. Then it seizes me.
A rush of joy. It emanates from a warm area deep in my being and
terminates with tingles on my flesh. I have been activated by the big
event. This man, this grandson of Kansans, this son of a Kenyan, this
husband of a black American, this half brother of a half Indonesian,
this man raised on an island that was formed from volcanic eruptions on
the seafloor—this person is the president of “my person, all my
friends, and these United States.”

Before this realization (with Auden’s words) hit me on the street, I
lived in one kind of America; after the realization, I knew I lived in
another kind of America. I also knew this: Africans now live in another
kind of Africa. Why is Africa, where I was born, so excited? Because a
man with roots in the poorest continent is the leader of the richest
continent. And this spectacular achievement has brought light to the
darkest continent. Obama is living proof that Africa can become
something other than “poor, nasty, brutish.” Africa can become the
United States of America.

My father was much like Obama’s father. Both traveled to the United
States to be educated, both returned to Africa as economists and worked
as civil servants. The historical situation of this postcolonial
figure: dreams (developing a backward nation), difficulties (making
Western standards meet African ones), and demise (corruption).
Confronted with this failure, many in my father’s generation either
died bitterly (Obama’s father) or returned to the countries that
educated them (my father). “Why did I ever leave America?” my father
often says to me as he prepares food in his small First Hill flat. Not
one of his plans or programs to industrialize/Americanize Zimbabwe’s
economy was realized. The country is a total failure.

Tears filled my father’s eyes when Obama gave his victory speech. We
were in the Columbia City Theater. The hall was packed with all sorts
of people: rich, poor, black, white, young, old. He watched the
president-elect with the amazement that one watches a miracle—a
man walking on water, a thousand golden steps rising to the clouds. He
lived to see something great emerge from the broken promises of his
generation.

Text Message from New York City

A Glamorous Party and a Gloomy Cab Ride Home

by Edmund White

Went to a glamorous party on election night down near Wall Street at
the apartment of Patrick McGrath, the novelist, and his wife, the
director Maria Aitken. Ian McEwan was there, over to cover the election
for the Wall Street Journal, and Zadie Smith, though she lives
in Rome now. Liam Neeson was in the corner. The Irish novelist Colm
Tóibín and the Australian novelist Peter Carey were in
attendance. Producers, actors, and agents were swarming about. I parked
myself in the bedroom next to the TV. Everyone seemed to be covering
everyone else’s reactions for some publication or other. I’d attended
election parties in 2000 and 2004 in this apartment—and both
times left horribly depressed. Especially in 2004 I was in a rage
against my fellow Americans for being so stupid as to reelect Bush! It
seemed that even the poorest Americans were voting for this cynical
pawn of the oligarchy.

This time everyone was up, up, up, though Betsy Sussler, the editor
of BOMB, was nervous and guilty—her mother down in Boca
Raton had voted for McCain! Those of us who’d lived through so many
Democratic defeats dared not to trust in victory till Ohio and
Wisconsin came in—that was the turning point. My agent called
from London and said we were obviously at the red-hot center of the
world. But as I took my taxi home past groups of revelers, I thought
that gays had no reason to celebrate. True, Obama did mention gays in
his acceptance speech, as he mentions them in almost every major
speech, but the defeat of gay marriage in California became a certainty
as the dawn approached. So the black ceiling had been broken and the
glass ceiling had been cracked, but the violet ceiling pressing down on
gays was still firmly in place.

Strange Bedfellows

African Americans and the
Mormon Church

by Dan Savage

African Americans in California voted disproportionately in favor of
Proposition 8, joining other demographic groups—the elderly, the
rural, the religious, Hispanics—to help write discrimination into
California’s constitution. Seventy percent of African-American
voters approved Prop 8, according to exit polls, compared to 53 percent
of Latino voters, 49 percent of white voters, and 49 percent of Asian
voters. African-American women backed Prop 8 by nearly 75 percent.

I’m thrilled that we’ve just elected our first African-American
president. I cried when CNN called it for Obama. I cried reading the
papers the morning after. I started crying again when my son came down
to breakfast and asked me why I wasn’t crying “like the last time” we
elected a president. And I wasn’t the only one out there weeping for
joy: This was a historic election.

But the African-American community’s reinforcement of bigotry
against gays and lesbians sounded a discordant note on an otherwise
inspiring night. Writing this online the next day brought charges of
racism down on my head, but here it is in print: The relative handful
of racist white gays and lesbians—and they’re out there, and I
think they’re scum—are not a bigger problem for African
Americans, gay and straight, than the huge numbers of homophobic
African Americans are for gay Americans, whatever their color. (Read
that carefully: I did not say that black homophobia is a bigger problem
than white racism; I said that the huge numbers of African-American
homophobes are a bigger problem for gays and
lesbians—including gays and lesbians of color—than
the comparatively small number of racist gays and lesbians. Which does
not excuse racism among gays and lesbians, of course.)

Do I blame African Americans for the passing of Prop 8? No. But I
agree with Melissa Harris-Lacewell, associate professor of politics and
African-American studies at Princeton University: “They didn’t do
enough work in the communities of color,” she said on The Rachel Maddow Show, referring to gay-rights groups. “On the
other hand, the communities of color demonstrated an awfully bigoted
vote.” Gays and lesbians have work to do, and straight African
Americans have bigotry to get past.

Another depressing irony: Prop 8 was bankrolled by the Mormon
Church, which has a history awash with racism. Brigham Young, the
founder of Salt Lake City and Joseph Smith’s successor as church
leader, said: “Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African
race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood
with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on
the spot. This will always be so.” African Americans were excluded from
temple rites in the Mormon Church until 1978, when church leaders
received a new revelation from God to end the practice of racial
discrimination, a “revelation” that came just as the IRS was
threatening to revoke the church’s tax-exempt status.

The calls this past week to investigate the Mormon Church’s
tax-exempt status aren’t likely to accomplish anything—the church
has been active on this issue for years—and calls for a boycott
against Utah seem to be petering out quickly. Still, I can’t see myself
stepping foot in Utah in the foreseeable future. Which is going to
disappoint my son. My boyfriend and I were talking about taking a trip
to Utah this winter to go snowboarding. We’ve heard great things about
the snow there, and our kid wants to go, and we’ve never been. But you
know what? We’ve never been to Whistler either. Or Bear Mountain in
California. Or to any of the resorts in Colorado.

So fuck you, Brigham Young—we’re going to Colorado.

The New Depression

Or, the Problem with Happiness

by Christopher Frizzelle

In the hours after CNN called it, the unbridled joy, the energy of
victory, and a sudden vacuum of irony/sarcasm/guardedness led revelers
into Seattle streets to pour champagne into strangers’ mouths, raise
toasts with PBR tall-boys in front of grinning cops, hoist laughing
girls onto shirtless boys’ backs, monkey up onto street utilities to
wave flags and drum street signs, sing the national anthem in loud
unison, etc., etc. But those were the peak moments of the feeling, and
in the days following, a formless, nameless other feeling is taking
hold. For those who were watching it closely, the story of the election
was a way to organize life, a string on which to hang whatever else was
happening, a shared anxiety, a purpose, a goal. Objects in motion want
to stay in motion. What happens after the end point? What do I take an
interest in/feel inspired by/worry over/volunteer time to/talk about at
parties/think about when I can’t sleep/stand for now? Hegel says, “The
history of the world is not the theatre of happiness. Periods of
happiness are blank pages in it.” The singer in Harvey Danger sings,
“Happiness writes white.” The Declaration of Independence says that the
pursuit of happiness, not happiness itself, is the thing. Why is
happiness so empty, so contentless, so hard to hold?

The Republican Front

How They’re Dealing with It

by Brendan Kiley

In a small suite of the Bellevue Hyatt, a half-hour drive from
downtown Seattle, a Republican named Marcia McCraw was gracefully
losing her bid to become lieutenant governor. Six or seven people sat
around a television on mute, talking. I was the only reporter. McCraw
handed me a glass of wine and told me about her recent seven-day car
race across Mexico and her car catching on fire. An Asian man in a suit
walked into the suite and she greeted him in a language I didn’t
recognize. “It’s Mandarin Chinese,” she smiled. Words flashed, white
letters over a blue background, on the screen: “Barack Obama elected
president.” The Republicans didn’t seem interested. Our first black
president was giving his acceptance speech, but they left the TV on
mute. Suddenly, the room seemed too small. I was having gigantic

emotions, a kind of happy panic attack, and I had to get out of
there. I ran to the elevator, ran across the lobby, stepped into the
rain, and saw a gold silk tie on the sidewalk. It was bright and thick,
made by Geoffrey Beene. I imagined a Republican yanking it off his neck
in disgust. I stuffed it in my jacket pocket—a trophy. Then I
unscrewed my flask of whiskey, cursed my editor for banishing me to the
suburbs on the happiest night of our recent lives, and drank a small
toast.

A few days later, I called relatives who live in Southern Virginia,
in the town of Suffolk, near the Dismal Swamp. They are deeply
conservative, the-South-shall-rise-again Southerners. Before the
election, one of my aunts said that if Obama won, she would “fall down
on the floor and cry.” When I called, she announced she’d been crying
for days. “I told her to quit it,” another aunt told me. “Tears won’t
help you and they won’t hurt him. You should pray instead. Pray that
Obama doesn’t appoint Supreme Court judges who are as racist as he and
his wife are.”

You Got the T-Shirt

What Are You Going to Do with It Now? Wear It?

by Lindy West

A lot of people I know purchased or crafted T-shirts with Barack
Obama’s face on them. They wore the T-shirts on their bodies because
they were excited about the idea of Barack Obama, and what he
represents, and his potential for changing the country and saving us
all, and because he is handsome and brave, and they wanted him to win
so badly that they donated their torsos to spreading the word about his
face. Vote for this face, they said. Make this face your president. And
so we did.

Maybe you are one of these people with one of these shirts. If you
are, it’s time for me to deliver some bad news: Your shirt is
awkward now
. I mean, what are you going to do with it? Wear it?
Wear a T-shirt with the president’s huge face on it? UM! That is WEIRD.
The moment Barack Obama won the presidential election, your shirt
became creepy. It’s weird enough that those Shepard Fairey posters are
still plastered everywhere, Chairman Mao style. Like that crazy
“President for Life” dude (dead now) in Turkmenistan who invented his
own alphabet and banned all things that were not a giant gold statue of
his own head (unverified). It’s like that. Do you want that?

Please put your shirt in a drawer for 20 years, and then, if Barack
Obama does all the things we want him to do (fix everything, destroy
pinkeye, replace all rain clouds with money cannons), some child of the
future can find it and wear it under his or her spacesuit as a symbol
of dark times overcome—times when everything was broken, times
when people had pinkeye. Or, if Barack Obama totally disappoints (maybe
gays can have equal-rights-full-stop, please? Approximately now?), that
future-child can wear that T-shirt ironically, like how, for kitsch
purposes, people pretend that they enjoyed watching the television show
Knight Rider even though it was obviously never good. That would
work. That is, if they still have irony in the future. Perhaps Barack
Obama will eradicate it. God, I love him. recommended

Sarah Vowell is the author of five books including, most
recently,
The Wordy Shipmates, which is about the Puritans. John Hodgman is the author of More Information Than You
Require and the resident expert on The Daily Show. Gary Shteyngart is the author of the novels The
Russian Debutante’s Handbook and Absurdistan, both of which
are fine if you like that kind of thing.
Adam
Haslett
is the author of You Are Not a Stranger
Here, a finalist for the National Book Award and the Pulitzer Prize,
and recently completed a novel,
First Atlantic, to be published
by Nan A. Talese/Doubleday.
Annie Wagner does
an amazing seal impersonation.
Charles Mudede left Zimbabwe in 1988 and has been a staff writer and editor at The Stranger since 2001. Edmund White has
written 20 books. His most recent are
Hotel de Dream and a short
biography of Rimbaud.
Dan Savage is the author
of four books including, most recently,
The Commitment: Love, Sex,
Marriage, and My Family. Christopher Frizzelle is the editor of The Stranger. Brendan
Kiley
is handsome and brave. Lindy
West
is The Stranger‘s film editor. Tim
Sanders
is a playwright, graphic designer, and occasional
preschool teacher.

Charles Mudede—who writes about film, books, music, and his life in Rhodesia, Zimbabwe, the USA, and the UK for The Stranger—was born near a steel plant in Kwe Kwe, Zimbabwe. He has no memory...

Christopher Frizzelle was The Stranger's print editor, and first joined the staff in 2003. He was the editor-in-chief from 2007 to 2016, and edited the story by Eli Sanders that won a 2012 Pulitzer...

Brend an Kiley has worked as a child actor in New Orleans, as a member of the junior press corps at the 1988 Republican National Convention, and, for one happy April, as a bootlegger’s assistant in Nicaragua....

Annie Wagner is The Stranger's former film editor. She was born and raised in Capitol Hill, but has since lived in such far-flung locales as Phoenix, AZ, Charlottesville, VA, and Wedgwood. After graduating...

Lindy West was born an unremarkable female baby in Seattle, Washington. The former Stranger writer covered movies, movie stars, exclamation points, lady stuff, large frightening fish, and much, much more....

22 replies on “Eleven Writers on the First Week of a New Era”

  1. Dan Savage declares,

    “Prop 8 was bankrolled by the Mormon Church . . . “

    If a lie is repeated often enough, does it become the truth?

    Here are some inconvenient facts:

    1. The name is “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.” There is no “Mormon Church.”
    http://www.newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/…

    2. The Church of Jesus Christ, as an institution, donated only about two thousand dollars to cover travel expenses of its leaders to coalition meetings. Any other funding by Mormons for Propostion 8 came directly from individual Mormons, from their after-tax savings, in exercise of their right of free speech.
    http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=4648552

    3. The California Teachers Association, as an institution, gave $1.25 million to “No on 8” from the compulsory dues of its members. Where is his outrage for this undemocratic action?

    4. Although a web site run by a dissident Mormon purported to “out” individual Mormon donors, its agenda provides good reasons not to trust its information. Moreover, disclosure of religious association is a matter of constitutional protection and a privilege held by the member against disclosure. (Church of Hakeem v. Superior Court, CA, 1980).
    http://hedgehogcentral.blogspot.com/2008…

    Imagine the uproar if a web site “outed” individual donors to any political cause as “Jews!” Anti-Mormonism is every bit as despicable as anti-Semitism.

    5. The “Yes on 8” coalition itself estimates that only about 40% of its support came from Mormons.
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg…

    6. “No on 8” raised $38.4 million, with $12.0 million (31.2%) coming from out of state.
    “Yes on 8” raised $36.1 million, with $10.7 million (29.6%) coming from out of state.
    So “No” raised $2.3 million more than “Yes,” and “No” raised $1.3 million more than “Yes” from out of state.
    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-mon…

    So even if individual Mormons “bankrolled” about 40% of the funding of Prop. 8, most of them must, of necessity, were residents of California.

    California is about 2% Mormon. Astonishing that the magical power they had over the other 50% of Californians who voted with them!

    Fact-checking the rest of Savage’s rant is left as an exercise to the alert reader.

    Mr. Savage, if you can’t be truthful, at least be consistent. Be sure to also boycott Blacks.

    hthalljr’gmail’com

  2. Another good thing to keep in mind in the “Painfully Ironic!” section of the Mormon’s beliefs is this little nugget:

    While the Church did, indeed, have its little tax-prompted epiphany in 1978 vis a vis institutional racism, they still believe that Black’s bear the “Mark of Cain,” BUT! If you are Black, and you are baptized Mormon and wear the special underwear and go on your mission and whatnot … when you die and go to heaven … guess what? As reward for being a good Mormon … YOU TURN WHITE! AHHH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

    Yeah. They don’t really publicize that belief too much.

    Maybe you should help them out with that, Dan.

  3. The MORMON CHURCH went to the unprecedented length, unlike any other religious group, to fight proposition 8. They had a letter read out-loud, in EVERY mormon church, beseeching their followers to donate as much as possible to the Yes on Prop 8 movement. One family even gave their entire 40,000 dollar life savings to the cause.

    The mormon church is guilty my friends.

    Ironic coming from a group that celebrated polygamy, isn’t it?

    John from LA

  4. Dan Savage is full of lies.

    1. The Mormon Church did not bankroll Prop 8. They only spent $2K as a reimbursement for travel expenses.
    2. The tax exempt threat, if there was one, had nothing to do with the 1978 revelation.
    3. Why do straight African Americans have bigotry to get past? Is it just because they disagree with you?
    4. Perhaps African Americans realize more than you do that families need a Mother and a Father and that both are important to a child.

    Do you really think Utah will miss you?

  5. Also, the African-American community must share much of the blame. I live in a predominately black neighborhood in Los Angeles, and the following comes from a flyer I regularly received:

    (Big Picture of Barak Obama)
    “I’m not in favor of gay marriage.” -Harball, April 2008

    And then beneath this, a longer quote from Obama:

    “…marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian, it’s also a sacred union. God’s in the mix.”

    Shame on Obama. Did you hear that?
    I guess God’s not in the mix for gay people.

    This is why I didn’t vote for Obama.

    You can see the flyer for yourself by Googling: Flyer, Yes on Prop 8.

  6. If you vote republican or democrat, you are fucking delusional. They are bought and sold. Libertarian will be the future, if we have one, for this country.

  7. From #1

    “California is about 2% Mormon.”

    “The “Yes on 8” coalition itself estimates that only about 40% of its support came from Mormons.”

    Mmm, great refuting of Dan’s point there. Only 40%?!

  8. Here’s a scary fact about Mormons that you could use to turn mainstream America against them – according Jon Krakauer’s book “Under the Banner of Heaven”, at their current rate of conversion and expansion, by 2050, the US government will be INOPERABLE without the cooperation of the Mormon church. For some inexplicable reason, their conversion rates are extremely high. Also, their practice of having lots of kids is exponentially growing their numbers. And, the FLDS churches where they still practice polygamy multiply those reproductive numbers by however many “spiritual wives” they have. Since polygamous marriages aren’t legally recognized, those children are considered to be outside of wedlock and the mothers receive welfare money on EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE KIDS. That money is given back to the church to make it that much richer and more formidable a force in American politics.

  9. THe problem with what the LDS church did is that a letter from church leaders was read outloud ‘from the pulpit’ saying that LDS members should donate to support Prop 8… it was not an individual decision for each church, rather a directive from SLC…
    THAT is what is pissing us off… not that individuals who happen to be LDS donated, as many other people did, but that the CHURCH directed people to support Prop8..
    you do not get to piss off the gays by inserting religions into politics, it will end poorly for you

  10. I respect the can-do pioneer spirit and rich history of the LDS church. But it sickens me to see them dole out small-minded hatred of the same type the early Saints experienced as they were driven West by similar bigots. Pot, meet Kettle.

  11. Screw this Prop 8 talk. Lets talk about how after the election, it is definitely NOT weird to wear your Obama shirt. If anything, I think it’s hella cool that after spending 4 years of watching punk kids ram around in their NOT MY PRESIDENT shirts I can wear a shirt and go “Yo, this guy is so awesome, I’m gonna wear him on my t-shirt even though its not an election year. Schwing!”

    If one dude can wear a shirt showing off a band I’ve never heard of, another can wear a shirt showing off that they like to shop at the Gap, and another can show off the way they like the color blue, why I can’t I show off a shirt with a dude who kicks major ass? Lets all hold hands!

    Obama! T-shirts! Fun!

  12. You know, Linday, one of the first things I thought after BHO won was “wow, I’ve never worn a t-shirt promoting a sitting President before.” And you know what? I probably will wear it sometimes, and I don’t think that’s creepy.

    Also, for your bio section: Sarah Vowell has two “l”s.

  13. The Mormons want to run Mitt Romney as a pres in 2012 so they need to up the popularity of Mormons among the evangalicals.

    The Mormons are playing a typical playground game. If you are the weak outcast getting picked on, you just need to find a more unpopular kid to beat up, and you become more popular.

    Mormon weddings are illegal too. Who is sticking up for the Mormons? I know theyre crazy aholes. But still they should be allowed to have crazy group marrages. I draw the line at the child molestation thing. But if they want to enter libertine orgy gang bang weddings, its their life. its not like theyre stoning rape victims in stadiums. yet.

  14. If we say that marriage should be a “holy union” that is related to the bible and can only constitute a man and woman, then we need to make marriage illegal for everyone – our very constitution is based on the separation of church and state. Civil unions only should then be recognized by the state. If you want to get married, go to the church and have a ceremonial marriage. As it is, gay people do not have the same rights as straight people do, because they are not allowed to marry. We can’t visit each other in the hospital in some states, we don’t have the tax breaks that married people do, and we would be unable to inherit our partner’s belongings if it is not specified in a will – all because we cannot be officially recognized as partners in the same way that straight people can be.

    I believe that some people think that homosexuality is all about sex. It is not. I am in love with my partner and have been for the past five years. We share a house, a car, and just about every spare moment we have together. We are a team, and we would be incomplete without the other. Any straight person in a happy relationship would probably be able to describe their relationship in exactly the same way. Not recognizing that our love is just as great, just as powerful, and just as worthy as anyone else’s makes us second class citizens. The idea that someone can say that they are “not anti-gay just pro-marriage” (read Frank Schubert’s (chief strategist for Prop-8) commentary in the NY Times Article “Mormons Tipped Scale in Ban on Gay Marriage”)is completely incompatible with the truth. There is no way that you can simultaneously feel fine stripping someone’s rights from them, while in the same breath say that you believe that they are equal. These things are not compatible. It is baffling that some people cannot learn from civil rights history and realize many of the same flawed and bigoted ideas are still in circulation about gay rights today. I am signing my full name to this –

  15. Sorry, but this life long liberal democrat isn’t buying into the lies being put out there, by those in the extremist end of the gay movement, any more. The racism, the disrespect for the civil rights, especially the right to think, and decide for ones self, the sanctity of one’s right to vote and contribute to candidates and the issues of ones choosing, without threats or intimidation. What the gay movement has revealed is that it is given to FASCISM!

    They have shown hatred and intolerance, evidence that they are corrupted, and do not respect the rights of others.

    Womyn2me starts pointing fingers at a religion, where was her concern when her “no on prop 8” friends were taking a quarter million dollars from PG&E, the same corporation that has poisoned innocent Californians, when they contaminated groundwater with the carcinogen chromium 6? If you saw the movie Erin Brockovitch, you should be familiar with what happened, the company shown in the film was PG&E, the same corporation that ripped off the ratepayers of California.

    The leaders of “no on prop 8” took the quarter million dollar bribe, and refused to support a proposition that would have ended PG&E’s monopoloy status in San Francisco.

    The same leaders of “no on prop 8” are Log Cabin republicans, the same ones who voted for politicians who would give them bigger tax breaks.. I wonder why gays and lesbians didn’t protest against those same Log Cabin republicans who didn’t care about policies that hurt less affluent gays and lesbians, or less affluent citizens of any kind.

    But what else should we expect from those who demand that religious liberties be violated and that civil rights should only apply to the elites of the gay community?

    Of course, the gay community has been refusing to address the disgusting fact that there is terrible racism in it, especially among it’s elites. The vile racist epithets, the threats and violence, bringing back the blacklist.. sorry, but I now realize that the negative stereotypes of gays that I fought against, have more than a kernal of truth to them. Good, kind, stable human beings do not act the way the gay community have. They have lost my respect, for them to regain it, they’re going to have to work hard undoing the wrongs they have done, and that means kicking the racist/fascist scum in the gay community to the curb, and apologizing for not doing it sooner.

    Womyn2me, and the rest of her fellow fascists can try and spin it all they want, I will boycott any and all celebrities, performers, entertainment industry, magazine, corporation that supports the racist, fascist gay community, and refuses to take a loud, principled stand against their racist and fascistic tendencies, I demand a purge of racist and fascist gays and lesbians.

    BTW, Utah, don’t give in to the fasists who seek to violate your rights and freedoms. I now plan to take my family to ski in your state during our two week long January break.

  16. “4. Perhaps African Americans realize more than you do that families need a Mother and a Father and that both are important to a child.”

    Should we put a proposition to ban single parents on the table next time?

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