Local hiphop supercrew Oldominion (they boast 30-plus members) came
into shape in 1999. This was an important year for hiphop. It marked
the end of a transition that began in 1997 with the release of Company
Flow’s Funcrusher Plusโ€”this transition involved two
points, the mainstream and the underground, and the movement of hiphop
innovation from the former to the latter. By 1999, the separation
between commercial and independent hiphop was complete. Rappers around
the country became something like ronins in feudal
Japanโ€”masterless samurai. Corporate record labels wanted nothing
to do with battle skills and the cult of DMC. It was now not about how
well you spit but how many times you have been hit by bullets.
Oldominion emerged at this dark, label-less time. Ronins from every
corner of the United States, they somehow ended up in the Northwest,
somehow settled in Seattle and Portland, somehow established a common
mood and program.

“You know it’s really weird, because in Oldominion three people are
originally from Portland, two from Seattle, and the rest are from
everywhere else,” says Onry Ozzborn, one of the original members of the
collective. “Bishop is from Philadelphia, Anaxagorus is from Atlanta,
JFK is from Virginia, Azrael is from New York, Syndel is from Kelso,
and Toni Hill is from Georgia.”

Not only did they come from everywhere, but they seemed to come to
the Pacific Northwest with no real intention to stay. The Northwest

was not at the time a hot hiphop destination, a region that
label-less rappers and producers marked as a place to go and make a
name. “You know, Barfly, he is [in Seattle] because of Smoke. They
became friends over the internet, back in ’99. And Smoke invited him to
come up for a visit. Barfly did. He hung around for a couple weeks and
never went back. And it’s crazy, because that’s exactly what happened
to me. I was playing college baseball in Arizona and took a break, came
up to hang out with Sleep, ’cause me and Sleep grew up in New Mexico. I
paid him a visit for two weeks and never went back. I quit college and
everything, and focused on music. I had been writing rhymes since 1988,
and I decided this is what I wanted to do in Seattle,” Onry
continues.

After settling in this city, Onry formed Oracle’s Creed with Sleep,
a rapper, and Pale Soul, a producer/rapper. In 1997, Oracle’s Creed
connected with a Portland-based crew called the FrontLineโ€”Destro,
NyQwil, and Snafu. That connection led to the formation of the Six,
which eventually expanded into Concentration Camp. In 1998, Rochester
A.P., a member of Concentration Camp, came up with the idea of calling
the ever-growing collective Oldominion. “We just wanted a different
name,” explains Onry. “I mean, Concentration Camp was a clever play on
words, but it did not capture the spiritual aspect of the music. We
were MCs who would talk about and express feelings that you weren’t
supposed to in rapโ€”spiritual things. And Oldominion meant the way
the spirit or spiritual played a bigger role in the daily life of
ancient times.”

Two years after establishing their permanent name in 1999,
Oldominion released One, a masterpiece of underground hiphop.
The record is to local hiphop what Enter the Wu-Tang (36
Chambers)
was to the national hiphop of its moment. What matches
Oldominion’s debut to Wu’s is that both plug many rappers into an
alternate world where they are unified by a consistent sound and
themes. One is like a collective hallucination by various
rappers (male and female, of every color and background). Syndel opens
the album in total isolation. The sound is dark; its beat is heatless,
stark, and widely spaced. There is almost no ornamentation, no melodies
or sweetness. It is a rapper (with a hurt in her voice that recalls
Roxanne Shante) and a beatโ€”a voice in a room with no windows and
air that is dusty and barely digital. Her life is the only one in that
dead space. But track after track, more rappers appear and vanish. Some
are worried about the state of their soul, others are angry about the
state of the world, others have very bad things on their minds. And the
music is the point where gothic cinema meets Northwest
noirโ€”serial killers, suicides, sunless days. Weirdly enough,
One was recorded in sunny New Mexico, Sleep and Onry’s former
state. It is a Northwest album made in exile.

“Since we are from the rainy part of the world, the beats on
[One] kind of came out dark,” states Pale Soul. “It wasn’t even
an intentional drive, like, ‘We are going to be dark; we are going to
sound this way.’ It was what we gravitated to in the process of
producing our sound.” That sound has dominated a series of projects
produced this decade by the members of Oldominion. It’s there on Onry’s
three solo albums (Alone, The Grey Area, In
Between
); and his first album with JFK and Rob Castro, Grayskul’s
Deadlivers; and also his collaboration with Barfly, Norman’s
Polarity. It’s found on tracks by Siren’s Echo (Sydel and Toni
Hill), instrumentals by Mr. Hill, and two solo records by Sleep.

Though the collective developed the dark, gothic aesthetic, the
members of Oldominion are not confined by it. For example, Barfly’s
work with the Saturday Knights sounds nothing like One or
Deadlivers. And the same is true with Boom Bap Project, which
has Oldominion’s Destro as a principal member.

“There are so many of us, there are so many of us,” warn the rappers
on Oldominion’s brilliant throwdown “Secret Wars” off of
Deadlivers. One gets the sense that the exact number of MCs and
producers in this collective is unknown. Stranger still, it has been
suggested that some rappers and producers think they are not a part of
the crew when in fact they are. “You know Nite Owls is Hill and me,”
says Barfly, “but we had added Larry [Mizell Jr., a writer for this
paper] shortly after we formed. But we tease Larry, because he thinks
he’s not a member of Oldominion. But a part of a rapper’s probationary
period is denying they are a part of Oldominion. You go through a year
of acting like you’re not, and then you give in and you become one of
us.” recommended

Charles Mudede—who writes about film, books, music, and his life in Rhodesia, Zimbabwe, the USA, and the UK for The Stranger—was born near a steel plant in Kwe Kwe, Zimbabwe. He has no memory...

22 replies on “There Are So Many of Us”

  1. Bless you, Charles. This is fantastic. Thanks for filling us in on the Oldominion mystery, which eludes many hip-hop neos and leaves masterpieces for them to find in the Seattle underground. Bravo!

  2. who gives a shit about fucking hip-hop?

    it fucking sucks, so does rap. it’s fucking embarrassing when people like it. come on, we’ve been pretending for decades it’s legitimate music.
    only morons actually like it, like country and metal. music for stupid people.

  3. Oldominion is the reason I first listened to Seattle hip hop, and it’s one of the biggest reasons I continue. #1 hip hop crew in the NW, hands down.

  4. Way to go Charles! Very well put together interview and article. You’re now a member of Oldominion too!!

    Haha!!
    One Love KING!!
    -Pale Soul

  5. harold, i have argued that it is precisely hiphop’s illegitimacy that makes it great. i have gone far as to say it may not even be music, or what we define as music. the pleasures of hiphop are not musical pleasures.

  6. Keep hating hater! That’s exactly what keeps Hip Hop a perpetual force! Ya fucknozzle! You can Hate, and hate some more, and then really hate us, but in the end, You only hate yourself! And don’t use any theoretical College jargen on me either, you only make yourself look like an idiot. Instead of spreading hate, why don’t you just let a good thing be a good thing. Or do you need to feed off of peoples sorrow to make yourself feel better? At any rate, I encourage you to continue your crusade of Rap bashing, cuz for the most part, I agree, but as for a cat just tryna do his thing and make his way in the world, More power to ya, and God bless your life!

    -Pale Soul
    (Oldominion)

  7. I think that it is very close- minded to say that underground hiphop is not music. There are two main kinds of hiphop, the kind you hear on the radio, then the kind that has huge amount of poetry and meaning behind it. I love all kinds of music. Music is art and for someone to say that it is not is an idiot.

  8. digital flower, i love hiphop but i really want to rethink its practices and programs. one way of doing that is to break with our ordinary understanding of music production and think about hiphop as more about information. information theory might explain hiphop better than music theory.

  9. i gotta say it..OLDOMINION..is king and they deserve all the respect they have earned through the years.they are a big influence on my life as a person.they might not know it but i have been following them since “ONE” and everything else.i have been lucky enough to have met and became friends with most of the members.when i was down on my luck sleep offered me a spot on his couch.i soaked it up being around all these guys i looked up to while i was doin my own music.i learned so much from being around them.they showed how to be humble myself,stage presence,even the little things like counting bars.since then i have gone on tour and never looked back ended up in PHX AZ.anyways if any of you “OWLS” is reading this i just wanna say thank you for changing my life and showing me the right way to do things.big up to oldominion..ten years it really seems like yesterday.
    ROBBERY RUNAMUK
    HEAVENZ ORPHAN
    “I ROCK MY OLDOMINON SHIRT LIKE ZEB ROCKS A SEAHAWKS JERSEY ON GAME DAY”

  10. All I know is that I love their music. They represent for the northwest with original style. I can listen to their cd’s over and over. Everyone just needs to fuckin’ realize that’s real music not the bullshit on the radio.

  11. Nice show last night guys! I wish I could have stayed later but this job gets me up at 4am on a Sunday, promptly killing all late night festivities. It was really good to see everyone together on stage again. 10 years of heaven and hell through verse- keep it coming strong past 2010 and beyond!
    -Lisa

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