36 replies on “Maddow on Simpson”

  2. I know I’m going to get eaten alive for this but…
    Am I the only one who thinks it’s funny that her name is Amanda? A woman, who used to be “a man”. A man. A man da.
    Just sayin’…

  7. I go the ‘A man da’ thing right away. Supprised it took this long to surface here. Amanda Hugnkiss, remember that SIMPSON’S, episode? The plot thickens. What do people here think, is a man who has his junk chopped off really a woman? I have nothing against it, but I can’t think of them as women, same for F to M. They can look perfectly ‘passable’, but they just don’t have the vibe of a ‘real’ people of that gender.

  9. the inability to accept gender gray areas, like logically, not finding them emotionally unacceptable in a bigoty kind of way, is sometimes evidence of a social learning difference. for example, alot of folks with Asperger’s syndrome have a hard time wrapping their heads around people that don’t conform to black and white gender appearances. just putting that out there, before everyone eats @7 alive. though simultaneously, dont want to make assumptions about him either, just thought i’d put it out there that not EVERYONE who has a problem accepting trans people is just a total dick. sometimes people’s brains really do just give them a hard time with ideas like transgendered folks. though i’m pretty sure most people with those learning differences, once they met an ACTUAL trans, and it stopped being an idea and started being a person would have an easier time understanding them. or at least thats what i think

  10. #1 has a WHINER at #8, Whoo-hoo yourself! I guess it is a hormonal thing, as (s)he alluded to in one of hes/her earlier posts on a different thread. You go #8 I’m just saying what #8 said in the earler post that there’s a different vibe there, testosterone and male energy. Yes there’s a difference.

  11. #9 has the right point. Once people know a trans person or two, it becomes a lot easier to accept and even understand the whole phenomenon. Problem is that most trans folks would prefer to fly under the radar, and just blend in. So even if you do know a trans person you may not have a clue.

  13. Of course, she isn’t qualified! She’s not a True Christian™. And I’ll bet ya she din’t vote for neither Bush nor Palin!

    Of course, the real problem is that she’s ‘out’. If there’s one thing the ‘tards love it’s closets.

    Pretty damn impressive resume.

  14. #9 I actually have been told I have many Asberger’s traits. I’ll look into this. That said I have over come homophobic beliefs instilled by my parents/society, and would have NO problem being friends with a trans person I would otherwise be friends with. I have gay friends, and don’t refer to them as my ‘gay’ friends, just as my friends. I don’t find trans people ’emotionally unacceptable’ as you put it, well maybe some of them, but not because they got an opperation. I’m just saying that I have a hard time seeing trans-folk in the wame way I see someone born that gender/sex? I think it’s because they just have different hormone levels that create a different vibe. And by the way I don’t mind being eaten alive=D

  15. @10, “hormonal”?? Trans folks get hormone replacement therapy. M to Fs take estrogen and progestins; F to Ms take testosterone. Not to mention the surgeries to remove the original hormone sources! Any hormonal reactions would tend to make trans people more like their target gender, not less.

  16. There was also a Friends episode where someone introduced herself to Rachel as “I’m Amanda” and Rachel chose to parse it as “I’m a man, duh!” It’s a pretty common meme.

  19. #17, dunno, I love what turns me on. I love to stroke it, bite it, it pull it’s hair, eat it, talk dirty to it, and fuck it’s lights out!!! Amanda is a cute trans-person, but doesn’t turn me on!

  20. You fuck “it?”

    So. . . um what’s “it?” Your furniture? You talk dirty to table lamps and side chairs?

    Kewl, whatever gets you off as long as you don’t hurt anybody.

    But. . . um that “hair” is just a pull chain for the lamp.

    And you didn’t fuck it’s lights out – you just need to change the bulb.

    Have fun!

  22. What’s wrong with Maddow? She failed to cover the vitally important part of this story. Letterman made a joke, everybody panic!!

    Can’t believe she missed such an important part of the story.

  23. @17

    Beecharmer (@7, 10,14) did not say he hated trans people. He said that he does not consider a trans person the same as a person born the same sex that the trans person “changed” to. Do you think it is possible to feel this way without hating trans people?

    Can you please clarify what you mean by “straight dudes”? If a “straight dude” is secretly gay or bi and hates gay men or trans people, then (as you probably already figured out) this hatred could come from projected self-loathing or jealousy of those who act out his fantasies. However, such a guy is not really straight, right? There are of course straight dudes who hate women, but this is only indirectly connected to the subject at hand.

  24. It’s all the gender non-stereotype hard-wiring that squigs folks out, not only about transfolks but gay/lesbian, too. Studies show that the un-enlightened have more trouble with gender or orientation issues if the subject doesn’t conform to stereo-typical norms for that sex. ie: feminine men and butch women get more heat as gays than do the butch queers and lipstick lesbians. MF/FM’s that pass visually have less hassles.
    I’ll admit I don’t get trans too well, even as a gay man. At first meeting (or sight, even) if a MF or FM passes, I find my guts react better. This initial reaction all goes out the window once I’ve met/conversed with the person, as mentioned above.
    Evolutionary psychologists call the visceral reaction a hold-over from our gerbil-sized ancestors’ need to preserve the species a few millenia back. It’s the same reaction the Xtians call “god speaking to my conscience”. We GLBTs would do well to understand that phenomenon and figure a way to use it in our arguments for acceptance, as opposed to pretending it doesn’t exist.
    I can hardly wait for LC’s insane ramblings on this post….

  25. Read that last one Tran-i-am? Thank you Kung Fu Jew!
    PS By ‘it’ I mean body parts. Female, boody parts. Human, female, body parts! To be exact, jst so you don’t get confused. Again.

  26. Also, I don’t know any trans people well, but I don’t hate the ones I’ve met. I just said ‘I can’t think of them as women, same for F to M. They can look perfectly ‘passable’, but they just don’t have the vibe” And you know what? In my opinion, they don’t. It was a question though, what do people here think. Hey Trans-i-am, do you think a MtoF has the same vibe/energy as women who were born with overies? Or a FtoM for that matter, same question.

  27. @23:

    “straight dudes” can be misogynistic, no? They are attracted to women and hate them at the same time, trans or not.

    It seems to be a big problem with some straight dudes who claim to not “hate” women, trans women, and gay peeps.

    They may not “hate” as in beat-up or maim. . . but they do hate as in not seeing others the “same as” which is code for: “less than human.”

    You know. . . when straight dudes don’t fuck women. They fuck “it” = “female body parts.” (see #25.)

    Charming.

    It doesn’t have anything to do with secret self-loathing about getting their gay on. Only when it does.

  28. @26:

    I’d say it doesn’t matter what you think. You don’t get to decide who’s female or male.

    If you “vibe” people not for who they are as individuals. . . but “vibe” them to know if their “body parts” are fuck-able or not (i.e. “male” or “female.”)

    I’d say. . . you are starting to “vibe” as psychopath.

  29. Trans i am, I couldn’t help but notice…you didn’t answer the question. In case you suffer from C.R.S.(can’t remember shit), I’ll restate it. Do you think a MtoF has the same vibe/energy as women who were born with overies? Or a FtoM for that matter, dose ‘she’ have the same vibe as someone born with balls? In a broader context do you think men and women have a different vibe/energy. White people, and Black people… If so, read your last post where it says the following;
    ‘ but they do hate as in not seeing others the “same as” which is code for: “less than human.”‘
    Looks like the shoe fits, but I won’t make you wear it. It wouldn’t look, charming.

    Equality is great, and to say we’re all the same would be inaccurate. We have different vibes/energy by cultural, color and gender, age, and many ther factors. Not to say that a white guy can’t show some soul on the dance floor(that wouldn’t be me, I’m admittedly rythmically challenged), or an old woman can’t show thew spunk of a youngster;) If you want to say I’m making hastey generalizations/stereotypes, well so be it. But I can assure you they’re not hastey. And stereotypes come from somewhere, they’re not just born of thin air. Or in your case hot air=D
    Finally, sometimes I don’t want to be a human being. Sometimes she wants to be a piece of meat, an IT. As in fuck it, my ass hole, mouth…’

  30. @29:

    Are you suggesting “vibe” means people’s backgrounds, the culture they live in and their life experiences makes us all different?

    Then. . . um. . . okay. Sure. People “vibe” differently. . .

    But. . .

    When you say trans people don’t have “THE vibe,” (#26) you are saying: “they’re not REAL women.” They’re fake.

    Don’t backpedal through your bullshit.

    And seriously dude. . . those last few sentences. . . combined with the previous asperger’s comment!?

    I hope the only thing you do is make hasty generalizations.

    Um. . . get some help. Really. Be kind to yourself.

  31. I’ve heard the misoginist call! You don’t agree with my, you must hate women!

    Like nobody(that’s code) ever hates men just because they’re men!

    I don’t get to decide who’s female or male? True, I’ll leave that to science. I get to decide who I think of as a dude, or a chick though.

    How did the crazy guy get out of the forest? He took the psychopath!

    Been fun, but I gotta go to work as a… can’t think of anything witty, i’ll leave it to you tran i am. But please make it good, nothing lame like turkyjerker it has to fit somehow.

    And last but not least tran i am, speaking of jumping to conclusions, who ever said I was straight?

  32. @beecharmer – I’m not sure why you would insist on arguing back and forth with someone as if anything you’ve written has made an ounce of sense.

    If everything you’re saying is subjective and its only purpose is to offend everybody, but make yourself feel good, couldn’t you just jerk off in a crowd? I might find that choice less confusing than the discussion of “vibes.”

  35. trans i am (@27):

    “‘straight dudes’ can be misogynistic, no?”

    Uh, yes. Did you read where I wrote: “There are of course straight dudes who hate women” ?

    “They are attracted to women and hate them at the same time, trans or not.”

    Right, but it is debatable whether a man who is attracted to a MTF is straight. This is why I asked you to elaborate on what you mean by “straight.” As rigid as gender roles are in our society, the idea of mixing/switching/challenging gender is sexy to a lot of people, so it is possible that at least some men like MTFs like not because MTFs are just like biological women, but rather because MTFs are biological men who have chosen to live as women. I don’t think we have a commonly-used adjective to describe this type of attraction, but it is telling that homophobic people will tend to mislabel it as “gay” while queer-friendly people like yourself will mislabel it as “straight.” How about “graight” or “stray”?

    “It seems to be a big problem with some straight dudes who claim to not ‘hate’ women, trans women, and gay peeps.”

    Yeah, well, misogyny is a problem for all men, and for many women, as well. Are you saying that there are no trans misogynists? Are you saying that there are no women, trans people or gay people who feel some anger toward those they are sexually attracted to? Have you considered that this ambivalence is just part of the human experience, but it is only acceptable in your circles to observe it in straight men?

    “They may not ‘hate’ as in beat-up or maim. . . but they do hate as in not seeing others the ‘same as’ which is code for: ‘less than human.'”

    Yes, many people who do not think trans people are “the same as” those with the biological sexes trans people identify as are also people who see trans people as less than human, but this does not mean the two positions have to go together. If I wanted to be black, and had my skin darkened, my hair curled, and my features surgically altered to look more African, would you necessarily “hate” me if you chose not to believe that I was actually “black”? Couldn’t you just think: “OK, this guy is not ‘less than human,’ he’s entitled to not be discriminated against, I wish him luck in life, I don’t hate him, but … I don’t see him as black”?

    Accusing those who disagree with you of “hate” is sometimes accurate, but it is sometimes just a way to avoid looking closely at what they are saying or how they really feel.

  36. @24:

    “Studies show that the un-enlightened have more trouble with gender or orientation issues if the subject doesn’t conform to stereo-typical norms for that sex.”

    I see. And who exactly decided during these studies which subjects were “un-enlightened?”, or were they identified as un-enlightened only after giving their responses? That would render the studies just a wee bit unscientific.

    “Evolutionary psychologists call the visceral reaction a hold-over from our gerbil-sized ancestors’ need to preserve the species a few millenia back.”

    Uh-oh. Are you saying that there is/was some sort of darwinian survival advantage to strict gender roles? What gerbil-sized ancestors are you talking about? We didn’t evolve from actual gerbils, so are you talking about some sort of tiny primate?

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