A mob pushes out a fellow occupier. Credit: Ian Buck

As the Occupy Wall Street movement continues to gain traction in national politics, local organizations and activists are growing more sophisticated in their lobbying and protests. But the scene on the ground can be chaotic.

Campers were finally crawling into their tents at about 2:30 a.m. on October 30, and attempting to enjoy their first restful night on the Seattle Central Community College campus. But a few minutes later, three men who walked into Occupy Seattle’s new digs began to give the Nazi salute. I was camping in back and didn’t see them myself, but when I arrived up front a few minutes later, dozens of witnesses said campers had just physically pushed out three Nazis, including one man with the words “Sieg Heil” tattooed on his chin, from the camp. Some protesters had even attempted to whack the (alleged) Nazis with sticks, several protesters told me.

Within 15 minutes, the intruders were long gone, but Occupiers had begun fighting among themselves. Protesters were physically pushing a man in a top hatโ€”a fellow Occupierโ€”out of the camp because they believed he had defended the Nazis (I didn’t get his name, because he was literally being mobbed). But the man insisted he opposed the Nazisโ€”he was simply trying to break up what appeared to be a fight. A person claiming to be him on The Stranger‘s blog, Slog, wrote this comment: “I’ve never been a part of, nor advocated for, any political group. I personally detest the beliefs of the Nazi party… If you use violence towards ANYONE who has gathered peacefully at any OS assembly I will stand in your way as well. We have to stick to our rules of engagement. Non Violence!”

As the meeting continued for more than two hours, several protesters argued that Nazis must be expelled “by any means necessary,” while others opposed physical tactics. This disputeโ€”about using force in a nonviolent movementโ€”exposed an underlying weakness: The group quickly becomes polarized.

Internal disputes have consumed many General Assembly meetings since the occupation began in Westlake Park on October 1. A meeting held the previous Sunday lasted three hours without a single decision, as proposals to move the camp and place rules on renaming the group both failed. Occupy Wall Street’s message about protesting runaway corporate influence is often set aside.

But while Seattle’s movement has been divided and atrophied slightly since its march of 3,000 people two weeks ago, there are bright spots. The campers have planned to protest JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon on November 2. Meanwhile, the American Federation of Teachersโ€“Seattle, Local 1789 advocated to let campers use the community college grounds, and local political heavyweights are as supportive as ever.

Nationally, a public opinion poll released on October 25 by the New York Times and CBS News found that two-thirds of Americans believe wealth should be distributed more evenly and that we should hike income taxes for millionaires. In other words, Americans believe exactly what the protesters are calling for. Politico posted an article on October 30 called “Income gap slips into GOP talk.” It quotes Representative Bill Flores (R-Texas) saying: “Absolutely, there’s huge income inequality, and it started right here in Washington.”

Likewise, David Freiboth, executive secretary of the massive King County Labor Council, says impacts are visible in the bigger picture. “It could be a mistake to read too much into what is happening with the structure of the protests,” says Freiboth. “I think the germane point in the popular uprising is that it has changed the discussion we are having publicly about economic disparity and what’s really going on with the economy. So in that regard, it’s been a success.” Union leaders and progressive nonprofits are ready to tackle a special legislative session in Olympia on November 28โ€”calling for taxing authority to save social programsโ€”with the wind of the Occupy movement at their backs.

In Seattle, however, the demonstrations are as much about the national message as an experiment in self-governance. But they are susceptible to massive internal fractures when outsiders troll them. The first time Occupiers defend their “free speech” zone against someone whose free speech is repugnant (like a Nazi) by punching them or whacking them with a stick, then cops could get involved. That could get the group kicked off campus and end their experiment in self-reliance.

However, activists say they’re just getting started. “We protested, we gained supportโ€”and we can always use more supportโ€”and now you are going to start seeing some tactics, including protest directly at banks,” says Occupy Seattle spokeswoman Aliana Bazara. “To people who say it’s fizzling: It’s not.” recommended

4 replies on “Where Are They Now?”

  1. Sure, Occupy Seattle might have a little more of the dreaded Seattle process than some of the other Occupies, but so what? Democracy is messy, and I’d be turned off if this movement were perfect, disciplined and had a leader. The movement is overall gaining support nationwide, and Seattle’s Occupation isn’t going to die just because there isn’t going to be an International Day of Solidarity every weekend. Already, the economic discussion is changing because of this movement. I’m sure hearing less of the blind loyalty to Reaganomics and free trade than I used to. The fact that the Occupy Wall St. movement has been going on since September in less than perfect weather months around the nation is a testament to it’s staying power. When there are war protests, they seem to fizzle out once a war is started. But the economic problems that are festering in this world aren’t going away anytime soon, nor will the Occupy Wall St. movement. Just because a couple of Nazi tools of the 1% were trying to disrupt, divide and conquer Occupy Seattle doesn’t have me worried. Fuck them. We will stay strong.

  2. I’m supportive of any populist uprising against the elitist fucksters who have not only destroyed our economy but given us a police state to boot. For the record… Fuck you Big Brother and Big Sis to! Bring back the guillotine! (metaphorically speaking!) ๐Ÿ˜‰

  3. we have really have no experience in self governance, as the endless process debates and internal bickering has revealed. Surpirzed? Don’t be, other occupy site may look like they are doing more things from the outside, internally they are a hairshirt of discord and conflict.
    Tonight was the first flexing of a little mob action against the source of our misfortune; CHASE bank and its CEO. Having a few games of pattycake with the SPD under our belt, I really felt like the tactical and medical teams really had a better handle on governing themselves in a street action. Ground level decisions like multiple blockaides and street marches were made with a minimum of internal discord. As a result the cops of the East Precint (much less disciplined than the westlake cops BTW) pulled out the mace and brought in some camo covered SWAT members with compressed air projectile weapons, this is the first time chemical tools have been used by the SPD on OS I believe.
    For those of you crows who sit on the fence and caw at the shortcommings of OS, I say whatever, we are not going anywhere. This thing will keep stumbling forward as the budgets of the SPD get weaker and the Bankers run out of places to hide.

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