Originally published in Reclaiming Trans.
Back when I was still a detrans woman, I was interviewed a few times by journalists for articles on detransitioning. An article in The Stranger written by Katie Herzog drew the most attention and the strongest reactions. Many trans people and their allies found the article offensive and transphobic, and they reacted to it in outrage. Many also wrote critical responses.
That Stranger article gives an incomplete impression of who I am in large part because of how I represented who I was when Herzog interviewed me. Now I want to uncover the parts of my life that I kept hidden at the time, and to discuss the deception I was engaging in but unaware of.
In doing so I do not mean to excuse my actions or argue that my lack of awareness made them any less harmful. I believe itโs important for people to know my state of mind; I was more a cult member than a con artist.
In the months before the interview, there were many signs that my detransition wasnโt working out, but I was keeping all of that almost entirely to myself. Iโd been living as a detrans woman and using โalternative treatmentsโ to cope with dysphoria for around four years at that point. When I look back on my journals from that time, I find myself talking about how I still had trouble relating to my female body; it still felt weird, and I felt uncomfortable with my breasts and reproductive parts in particular. I could accept that I had those body parts, but it took work to do so, and I didnโt feel especially positive about them or connected to them. I also talked about wanting a cock and how that seemed more appealing than having a cunt. In one journal entry, I wrote that I still wanted a male body on some level and โ[i]f I woke up with a male body, I think Iโd be ok with that as long as it wasnโt radically different, just the male version of my current body.โ
I wrote about how I still felt like a dude sometimes, like a kind of โfemale man.โ I talked about how I โbecame a womanโ when I detransitioned and about how much work that involved.
I wrote about how I found myself wishing that I had gotten more out of detransitioning than I actually did, how I had wanted it to fix more problems in my life.
I talked about how โI made myself into a lesbian feminist,โ how I had really wanted learning to accept myself as a woman to heal me and make me whole, and it just hadnโt lived up to my expectations. Some of it helped me heal from past trauma, but not as much I was hoping it would, and I felt let down.
I talked about how hard and stressful itย was to live as a woman. I was beginning to question both my motives for detransitioning and just how much it had helped me.
I wrote about how both my detransition and conversion to radical feminism now looked like they were at least partially a response to conflict and trauma I had experienced in a radical queer collective house I used to live in. I talked about how I had joined the radical feminist community because of how Iโd been hurt in the radical queer community. Iโd been looking for a better, safer place to belong. Thatโs not what Iโd found, not at all. In fact, I found the same kind of hurtful behavior and abusive people in the radical feminist scene.
I still had a very critical view of transitioning and tended to see trans identity as a response to living in patriarchy, but I was growing increasingly frustrated with the way most radical feminists viewed trans people and transitioning. I was questioning more and developing my own views based on my experiences and research into the history of trans people and medical transition. I was fed up with how cruel many radical feminists were towards trans people, how they talked about transitioned bodies with disgust, and how so many of them treated trans people as if they were freakish and inferior. I was opening up to the idea that for some people being trans was the most authentic way to exist in this present society, and that transitioning actually helped some people, though I still worried a lot about people being pushed to transition or to identify as trans.
This thinking marked a big shift for someone who had previously believed that all trans identity was a harmful coping mechanism, and that transition was inherently harmful, a person who wanted to stop as many people as possible from transitioning and to encourage people to detransition or desist. I didnโt get to believing in transphobic ideology all at once, and I couldnโt disengage from it all at once, either. It was a long process that took years to fully unfold.
At the time, I was conducting research for a book on โfemale gender dysphoriaโ that I was planning to write. I wanted to talk about gender dysphoria in female-assigned people as a result of life under patriarchy and discuss the different ways people managed this dysphoria.
When I began my research, I saw both medical transition and radical feminism as ways to respond to โfemale gender dysphoria,โ the first being contaminated by false consciousness while the latter got to the true root of the problem.
My views ended up shifting dramatically over the course of my research. What I learned about the history of trans peoplesโ interactions with medical professionals ended up challenging a lot of my beliefs, but initially I twisted what I read to fit my pre-existing theories and eagerly shared my โfindingsโ with others, offering up โproofโ to back up the radical feminist interpretation of transmasculinity and transition.
It was hard for me to totally break free from radical feminist ideology, in large part because of the kind of people I was spending most of my time with. During that period of my life, I lived in the East Bay, where I participated in a community of transphobic radical feminist lesbians, a few of whom were also detrans or re-identified. I was dating and living with a member of this community.
While hanging out among ourselves, the other younger members of this scene and I would jokingly refer to ourselves and to each other as โTERFsโ, reclaiming a word we viewed as a slur. Many of us got a kick out of having a secret life in a subculture outsiders (correctly) viewed as a hate group.
We thought such people were ridiculous and misogynistic for seeing us as hateful, and we frequently mocked them, acting as if they were ignorant, misled and/or overly sensitive. We would gather at a lesbian-owned coffee shop and complain about how trans activists were a threat to lesbian culture, talk about dangerous and disgusting โautogynephilesโ trying to infiltrate โfemale-onlyโ spaces, and the social forces supposedly pushing lesbians to โdis-identify from femalenessโ and identify as trans.
Generally, we were much more sympathetic towards transmasculine people than we were towards transfeminine people. We were especially harsh and hateful towards trans lesbians and other transfeminine people who were attracted to women. We also hung out with older lesbians, who were happy to find younger dykes who shared their particular transphobic interpretation of lesbian feminism. I recall one of these older women talking about how Big Pharma was funding the trans movement and tricking butch dykes, femmy gay men, and other gender nonconforming people into transitioning.
I had made the choice to move to a city with a radical lesbian feminist subculture and attempted to live up to my separatist views and values. I spent years working with other women to build the detransitioned womenโs community and had become an influential detrans writer and activist. One of my essays had been published in an anti-trans anthology called Female Erasure, alongside influential transphobic thinkers such as Cathy Brennen, Sheila Jeffreys, Leirre Keith, Jennifer Bilek, and Gallus Mag.
I had plunged into the life I thought I wanted, but it didnโt seem to be working. Nevertheless, I kept my doubts, questions, and disillusionment hidden inside my head and in my journals. In private, I wrote out my criticisms and disillusionment with radical feminism, but among my friends I still voiced the same concerns about trans people, and I still made the same arguments. I went back and forth between acknowledging that my detransition hadnโt really worked and struggling to make it work. I switched back and forth between recognizing that I still found much in common with trans men to writing out all the reasons I couldnโt identify as trans. I tried to treat my dysphoria using the methods Iโd promoted for years, doing my best to โaccept myself as a womanโ because I couldnโt see how I could give it up at this point. My consciousness was fractured into the parts that knew the truth and the parts that still wanted to uphold the ideology Iโd bought into. There was the persona Iโd createdโthat of a detransitioned radical lesbian feministโand there was a messier reality that I tried to keep hidden, even from myself.
I was a trans person who spent most of my time with lesbians who didnโt believe trans people existed and didnโt want them to exist, who treated trans people as a threat to their own existence.
To participate in this community, I had to deny my own feelings, hide many of my thoughts, and distort much of my reality. I had to pretend that I wasnโt who I was every single day. There was no way to be a part of this group without engaging in constant deception. My social life depended on it. This is who I was, and this is what my life was like when Herzog interviewed me.
On the day of the interview, before my phone call with her, I wrote in my journal:
โI have a phone interview with a journalist this afternoon. Should be interesting. Not totally sure Iโm the person to do it because Iโm having doubts if I really count as a detransitioned woman anymore. I detransitioned, thatโs true. Am I sticking with that though? Did I just need to try out living as a woman because I didnโt get the chance to before? I donโt think I need to make anymore changes to my body. Iโm also not sure Iโd really be happy living full-time as a man. I probably am more in-between than anything but I have a lot of trouble accepting that. I donโt know why Iโm like this but Iโve been this way for most of my life now. Able to see myself as a woman or a man. โ
I kept these feelings hidden just as I was hiding so much else. I was still very invested in the role Iโd performed as a creator and representative of the detransitioned womenโs community.
Once the interview actually happened, I found it easy to slip back into the role Iโd perfected by that point. Iโd given multiple workshops, written hundreds of pages of blog posts, made videos, and talked to numerous people about what it meant to be a detransitioned woman. I had my story down, and I knew which parts to emphasize. I believed in the story I was telling and thought I was doing important work.
I spoke not only for myself but for my community. Part of my job was to represent detransitioned women and make our stories visible to others. I had ideas I wanted to communicate, but I was largely focused on talking about my lived experience. I wanted other detransitioned women to know they werenโt alone. I wanted people to see that living as a detransitioned woman was possible, to make us seem like real people, not something theoretical or a scare story. I donโt think all my intentions were bad, and I do think greater visibility would help detrans people.
My intentions, however good, donโt change the fact that my understanding of myself was grounded in transphobic ideology and was a distortion of my own reality. I was telling the story I thought should be my truth, not actually describing my reality. Thereโs a lot I used to believe about my own life that I now see as a manifestation of self-hatred, and I worry about the impact my story couldโve had on other people.
In the article for The Stranger, Herzog, for instance, describes me as being merely sympathetic to radical feminism. In reality, I was far more of a radical feminist than I came off in the article, and I think Herzog inaccurately reflects the relationship between the detransitioned womenโs community I belonged to and radical feminism. She mentions non-detrans radical feminists trying to use our stories, but she didnโt discuss how many detransitioned women themselves use their experiences to advance transphobic radical feminism. Many detrans women I knew were committed radical feminists who believed all trans identity was rooted in internalized misogyny and trauma. We didnโt like it when other radical feminists objectified us or treated us primarily as a way to win arguments with trans people, but we shared many of their views and political goals.
The way Herzog described my politics and the relationship between the detransitioned womenโs community and radical feminism is partially a result of how I represented myself when she interviewed me. As Iโve discussed elsewhere, I intentionally moderated my views when talking to most people outside of the radical feminist subculture I belonged to. My views were in the process of changing, and I had gotten a lot more open-minded about transitioning and trans people. At the same time, I was still hanging out with self-identified TERFs, and I held a lot of transphobic beliefs.
I canโt imagine that I was entirely forthright with all my views. I focused largely on promoting the idea that trans identity and transitioning could be a manifestation of trauma, dissociation, and internalized misogyny, and I used my story as a way to demonstrate that. I framed what I was doing as working for detransitioned, re-identified, and dysphoric women instead of against trans people. I didnโt see myself as being dishonest when I hid my more extreme views, I saw myself as being practical. I saw most people as being unready for โthe truth,โ and there were serious consequences to openly calling into question the entire notion of trans identity, and I wanted to avoid that.
I presented Herzog with a more moderate version of my detrans radical feminist persona, completely omitting my more transphobic views and my connections to anti-trans lesbian feminists as well as my raging dysphoria and my disappointment with womanhood. I slipped into the character Iโd perfected and forgot about the feelings and doubts I struggled with. I put the well-being of the detrans womenโs community ahead of describing the real details of my life. I didnโt even feel like a woman when I gave that interview, but I felt like I had to be one anyways or I would be letting down my whole community.
The story I told to The Stranger was a fabrication, one that I believed in and fought for. It was a story I got trapped in for years, one that swallowed up my actual life. I canโt say itโs entirely falseโafter all, it includes events from life that did indeed happen, but I donโt believe in this story anymore, and I donโt want it overshadowing my life. It confined and trapped me for years, and Iโm concerned about the impact that it had on others.
Iโm concerned the story I told couldโve led other trans people to deny or distort themselves. I fear that it encouraged cis people to dismiss trans peoplesโ identities or reinforced their transphobia. I was a trans person with a distorted view of myself, magnifying that and projecting it into the larger culture, inflicting my own wounds on other trans people. I am deeply sorry for any suffering I have caused others. I am sorry for participating in transphobic subcultures and engaging in what I now see as noxious and hateful behavior.
I canโt change the past, but I can describe what my life was actually like at the time and make visible the parts I left out or hid. I want people to know that detransitioning didnโt work for me, that it stopped working for me even as I was presenting myself as if it had. I want people to know that I belonged to transphobic communities that encouraged me to deceive myself and others. I want people to know that journalists can be fooled when they hear a story that lines up with what they may be expecting to find. So many people who question trans identities take the stories of detrans peopleย at face value, never considering that there could be more to them than meets the eye.
Iโm a trans person who converted to a transphobic ideology, surrounded myself with transphobic people and worked against my own people. I struggle with grief and regret over many of the choices Iโve made.
I commit myself now to be as honest as I can be. I canโt know how my views, feelings, and perspectives will change over time but I can do my best to represent my life and my beliefs as openly and clearly as possible.
Writing about that particular time in my past is difficult because I had a lot of contradictory parts and impulses pulling me in different directions. I can remember what it was like, but I worry others will find my descriptions of it confusing. That time in my life was confusing to live through,ย and itโs surreal to look back on. I read my old journals and canโt imagine that I shared many of these thoughts and feelings with the lesbians I was friends with. I didnโt even share most of them with my partner at the time. I knew I kept a lot from other people, but itโs intense to realize just how much.
At the same time, itโs a relief to write about this now. Back then, I existed in so many different pieces. I can finally bring all the parts together, connect them to create a more honest description of my past, and make myself whole.ย

I’m honestly truly sorry for all of the pain and confusion and loss of time, friends, and mental health you went through, and presumably still are.
And I really hate to add to the burden of a fellow tran, but you owe the community more than just your own catharsis. A true apology must include an effort to make the community whole as well. A mea culpa is simply insufficient. You (and others, and especially Herzog) did genuine harm to us.
I ask that you commit to not just rebuilding yourself, but dedicate yourself to healing the wounds you caused.
May you find yourself, your community, and your cause.
100% what @1 said. It sounds like you invested a lot of time and energy into promoting harmful views, please bring that same energy or more into supporting the community. Also, welcome back and congratulations on taking a step towards self-acceptance.
So Schevers was trans, then decided no, not trans, then decided, yes again trans.
I’m not sure what lesson I am supposed to draw from this essay.
This is a 3 year old article about a nearly 7 year old article.
Thereโs so much to unpack here
@1 & 2
Assigning penance?
Welcome back, I forgive you. Keep loving yourself, you know what’s right for you. I won’t assign penance but you konw what you did, lol
I really appreciated the author sharing this story – I only wish they would have reached out to Katie Herzog to incorporate her thoughts as well (intentional or not it felt like the author was ascribing thoughts to Katie – would have been best to directly quote her).
@8 lmao at “not a right-wing website.” They’re literally funding lawsuits against any providers they can who provide trans care. Their parent website lists a list of donors to Planned Parenthood with the effort to shut the clinic down and links to anti-abortion sites.
People make mistakes. Sometimes people pursue medical treatments that don’t help them — I pursued an elective back surgery that ended up making my issues worse. To try and use those people suffering to push a right-wing agenda to shut down Planned Parenthood and make transition impossible to access for people who consent to it is duplicitous and evil.
So I really shouldn’t believe anything I read in the Stranger.
Including this.
Got it.
The author of the detrans article went on to a career in anti-trans activism after The Stranger let her go. Sheโs never been interested in presenting a fair picture of either gender affirming care or the detrans experience. She pushes a very specific and sensationalistic point of view that is not supported by any published research into this subject.
@13 I recommend listening to a recent interview with Katie – my impression is folks project their own bs on Katie (but decide for yourself)
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-queer-community-kicked-me-out-ft-katie-herzog/id1531229449?i=1000648663308