Weather: Today won’t be quite as summer-y as yesterday, according to the National Weather Service. Expect highs in the mid 60s, mostly cloudy skies, and even some showers. Friday will dry up, but it might be a while before it gets back to full sunshine and 70s in Seattle. At least Charles Mudede will be happy!
For visual learners:
It’s a tale of two patterns next 24 hours! One more sunny and near/above average temperature day for today. A cold front tomorrow brings in cooler temperatures and the chance of showers.#wawx pic.twitter.com/RiSMWlu40u
— NWS Seattle (@NWSSeattle) May 15, 2024
Money is power: Remember last fall when all those gay people got super mad about the City wanting to put a children’s playground next to historically queer, nude beach Denny Blaine? Well, KUOW reports that the anonymous donor who tried to fund the playground was a rich dude named Stuart Sloan, who complained about the beach next to his home in texts to the Mayor’s personal cell phone. Sloan’s people–yeah, he’s that rich—told KUOW that it wasn’t his idea to displace the gays and that he would not have been the only one to donate had the City gone through with the plan.
There’s more: But it’s impossible to deny that Sloan was a key player. Our very own Vivian McCall found that Harrell had met with Sloan twice, including one time the day after the Seattle Parks Department killed the playground proposal. Harrell’s office is playing dumb, but this whole mess just goes to show who the City is responsive to. If you have a fortune, a beautiful waterfront home, and a bone to pick with a marginalized community, then you can complain directly to the Mayor. The rest of us get two minutes at public comment if we’re lucky and willing to risk arrest.
Update: Vivian already wrote that UAW Local 4121 reached a tentative agreement with the University of Washington Tuesday night, but we got a little more information yesterday. The contract includes a 36% raise over the course of the three-year contract, increased reimbursement for child care, summer UPass coverage, and more. Workers have until Friday at 7 pm to vote. It doesn’t look like the union will come to an unanimous decision, as I’ve received comments that at least some workers are organizing against the agreement to keep the strike going and to fight for an even better deal. We shall see!
Point in time: The King County Regional Homelessness Authority (KCRHA) counted, and it turns out that on any given night about 16,385 people are experiencing homelessness in King County. That’s 23% higher than the count KCRHA conducted in 2022. You can find more information here.
Delinquent: The Seattle Municipal Court sent a delinquent notice to Officer Kevin Dave, saying he’s late to pay the $5,000 fine he incurred when he struck and killed a 23-year-old as he barreled through a crosswalk at high speeds. The letter said that if he doesn’t pay the fine plus a $52 late fee by May 29, he could lose his license. Here’s to hoping!
She absolutely would: Celebrities can hardly manage to say the word “ceasefire” out loud, but yesterday singer Ethel Cain posted that “we need to bring back assassinations” in response to President Joe Biden sending $1 billion in new arms to Israel. She probably just landed herself on 10 unique FBI watch lists.
Ethel Cain addresses Joe Biden’s support for the Israeli military:
“we need to bring back assassinations” pic.twitter.com/4bCv9S4qPc
— Pop Base (@PopBase) May 15, 2024
Speaking of assassinations: It appears someone tried to assassinate Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico. A now-detained suspect allegedly shot Fico six times in the small town of Handlova. For a while, authorities said he was “fighting for his life,” but it seems like he’s doing a lot better and is no longer in critical condition. What a tank!
Mark your calendars: Presidential candidates Joe Biden and Donald Trump agreed to two debates, one on June 27 and another on September 10. The American people were truly robbed of some iconic zingers since Trump refused to debate the GOP chumps who were after his job. But for as goofy as that guy is in a debate, Biden holds his own, too. I went to his fundraiser last week and he literally suggested Trump should have treated his COVID with bleach. Jokes aside, I truly loathe these fuckers, and no amount soyjack millennial humor will absolve them of their sins.
Louisiana: The US Supreme Court temporarily approved a new congressional map that creates two majority-Black districts in Louisiana, which could potentially help Democrats in the 2024 election. Read Axios for more.
Disinterested in divesting: The students camping out in the Quad in solidarity with Gaza hit a breaking point Wednesday and exposed just how uncompromising the UW administration has been in their negotiations to (1) divest from Israel, (2) cut ties with Boeing, and (3) stop the repression of the pro-Palestinian voices on campus. In an Instagram post, UW United Front for Palestinian Liberation (UF) showed the stark difference between their demands and the offer UW made after five sessions of negotiations. They sent receipts in an email, too, don’t worry.
NEW: After keeping quiet about negotiations, UW United Front For Palestinian Liberations reveals the university admins offers vs. their specific demands 1/? pic.twitter.com/tfZqjNhBeA
— Hannah Krieg (@hannahkrieg) May 16, 2024
Why now? It is pretty clear that UW is over trying to appease the protesters, even though their student body government voted overwhelmingly in support of the demands. UF’s new transparency comes after President Ana Mari Cauce allegedly skipped the bargaining session Wednesday, but she found time to accuse the protesters of spray-painting anti-semitic phrases on buildings. Cauce did not provide examples, but UF assumes she’s talking about the phrase “from the river to the sea,” which some see as a call for genocide. UF argued the phrase “asserts Palestinians’ right to return to their homeland and does not call for any ethnic or religious restrictions.”
What’s next: I don’t think the admin’s strategy will get the campers to leave the quad voluntarily. UW admin told them that they would negotiate only if UF promised not to escalate, but now UW has made it clear that they will not bend, and the encampment won’t convince them to do so either. So—and I’m just reading the tea leaves here—if the student protesters are as committed as they say they are, then we may see new, more intense tactics in the near future.
Speaking of encampments: Cops detained at least a dozen pro-Palestine protesters yesterday as they cleared the encampment at University of California – Irvine.
Oil spill: On Wednesday, a barge hit a bridge in Galveston, Texas, shutting down 6.5 miles of the waterway. No one died, no one got injured, but the water definitely took an L. An unknown amount of oil spilled from the barge, which has a 30,000-gallon capacity.
Some guy told me to listen to it: I did not. But now you can!
Saudi Arabia
btw owns the
Largest Oil Refinery
in the US. they also de
facto control the Price of
Oil – and by Gawd they’re
making sure thru High Fuel
Prices to derail Biden’s hopes
for a second term. how long til
the little stickers w/Biden’s pic on
’em witht the ‘quote’ ‘I Did This!’ begin
appearing on our gasoline pumps across
America? were it not for Dirty Tricks “Repub-
lickans” wouldn’t have any Actual Policies atall.
whom ya gonna Believe?
National Students for Justice in Palestine
or Wormtongue:
from their website:
THE MOVEMENT FOR PALESTINIAN RIGHTS WILL NOT BE SILENCED – NSJP, CAIR AND JVP RESPOND TO ADL ATTACKS
At a time when the movement in solidarity with Palestinian liberation is unprecedented in its support — and facing increased attack — the Council on American Islamic Relations, Jewish Voice for Peace and National Students for Justice in Palestine reaffirm our unwavering support of the Palestinian cause for justice and liberation.
We unequivocally condemn the baseless allegations by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) against our organizations, and are gravely concerned that the ADL’s attacks will distract from the real threat of white supremacy faced by all our communities.
The ADL’s latest intimidation campaign is based on a highly problematic definition of antisemitism that attempts to conflate criticism of the Israeli government or Zionism with anti-Jewish racism.
This is as dangerous as it is baseless. Many people of various faiths and backgrounds–including Jewish scholars, rabbis, and activists–have long criticized and opposed Zionism. For the Palestinian community,
Zionism is the political ideology that has enabled their violent subjugation and systematic dispossession.
People must be able to discuss and debate these issues without being falsely smeared as antisemites.
This latest escalation by the ADL against our organizations is further proof of the ADL’s desperation.
The ADL has long worked to secure total impunity for the Israeli government. But poll after poll shows that they are losing ground, as Americans increasingly support equal rights for Palestinians.
This includes the Jewish American community, where there is significant condemnation of Israel’s apartheid regime, especially in younger generations, as well as with a large majority of Democrat voters.
The ADL’s attack on our organizations is only the most recent in its long history of campaigns aimed at strengthening the forces of institutional racism while surveilling and undermining social justice organizations.
From illegally spying on nearly 10,000 individuals and 600 social justice organizations – including the NAACP, the Arab American Anti-Discrimination Committee and the African National Congress – to advising US law enforcement on infiltrating anti-racist organizers, the ADL’s actions on the ground have always contradicted its claims of working for justice.
The ADL is clearly not a civil rights organization. It has been and continues to be deeply harmful to our communities and movements for justice.
We know that freedom and safety for any of us relies on freedom and safety for all of us, and that we must be united in building a better future for us all. Instead, the ADL attacks our organizations in an attempt to pit communities fighting for freedom and self-determination against each other.
It’s time for all progressives to join the hundreds of social justice organizations who have pledged to #DropTheADL.
The ADL’s latest bullying campaign has just begun – to which we reply: We are ready, our people are ready, the movement is ready.
Our commitment to the right of Palestinians to live in freedom and dignity is resolute.
We are not intimidated, and the movement for Palestinian rights will not be silenced.
https://nationalsjp.org/the-movement-for-palestinian-rights-will-not-be-silenced
one More from:
National Students For Justice In Palestine
Supporting over 350 Palestine solidarity organizations across occupied Turtle Island (“North America”), we aim to develop a student movement that is connected, disciplined, and equipped with the tools necessary achieve Palestinian liberation.
To our universities,
We, the Student Movement for Palestinian Liberation, demand institutional accountability and immediate divestment from israel and its genocide of the Palestinian people of Gaza.
As our Palestinian counterparts face the systematic eradication of their homes, holy sites, and universities, the assassination of their professors, peers, and families, and the seizure of their homeland, we stand resolutely with their struggle for liberation.
We as students will reclaim our power on campus—there will be no classes or compliance with our institutions so long as their shameless profiteering off of our genocide persists. Through the student movement for a Popular University, we will transform our mass mobilization into sustained, tangible power—we will not stop until our universities divest and Palestine is free.
The strength of our political conviction is proven by the lengths our institutions have gone to suppress our movement. For the last six months, our universities have arrested, expelled, suspended, and threatened us, de-chartered our organizations, and engaged in anti-Arab and Islamophobic hate speech.
They believe they can suppress our struggle for Palestinian freedom; we disagree.
University administrators and boards of trustees have drawn their line in the sand: profit and reputation are more important than the lives of Palestinians and the will of their students.
This only fuels our political clarity—as the united mass of students, faculty, and staff face the true nature of our institutions, we release this open letter with an unrelenting message: we will not rest till our universities divest.
Empowered by the strength of students and SJPs at columbia, rutgers, yale, stanford, and beyond, Popular University For Gaza reflects our steadfast conviction for the liberation of Palestine, our unity as students, and our commitment to divestment.
We demand an end to institutional investment in the colonization of Palestine and institutional repression of our movement.
We firmly reject the idea that these settler colonial institutions, whose existence is predicated on the dispossession and disenfranchisement of the indigenous peoples of Turtle Island, represent us. We will take back our universities to pursue true justice and liberation for all.
It is with this commitment that we announce our dedication to the mission and vision of Popular University for Gaza, a demonstration of our indivisible strength and unity as students.
As we across Turtle Island (the so-called united states and canada) and around the world establish encampments and popular, liberated spaces on our campuses, we are united in the following mission:
To completely divest our tuition dollars from—and to cut all institutional ties to—the zionist entity as well as all companies complicit in the colonization of Palestine.
To stand with our friends, relatives, and colleagues in Palestine as they resist zionist attempts to exterminate our people.
To re-forge a university divorced from the fundamentally immoral economic and political system of the united states—to create a place in which teaching and learning happen for the benefit of the masses and the global community.
The Student Movement is mobilized, unified, and determined to achieve our demands for Palestinian liberation and an end to the genocide in Gaza.
We will seize control of our institutions, campus by campus, until Palestine is free.
Signed,
Students for Justice in Palestine at NYU
Bloomberg School of Public Health Students for Justice in Palestine
Students for Justice in Palestine at The Ohio State University
Students for Justice in Palestine at OSU
Williams Students for Justice in Palestine
Rice SJP
SJP Northwestern
UWaterloo Voices For Palestine
UTSJP
Boston University Students for Justice in Palestine
SVA SJP
SJPHTX
Emerson Students for Justice in Palestine
SJP UC
Denison Students for Justice in Palestine
Stanford Students for Justice in Palestine
Students for Justice in Palestine at VCU
Boulder Students for Justice in Palestine
Vassar Students for Justice in Palestine
Uni-e-s pour la Palestine Université Laval
Pomona Divest from Apartheid
Jewish Voice for Peace at Vanderbilt
UMass Lowell Students Justice for Palestine
SJP Oswego
PAO
NUSL SJP
Clark SJP
Students for Justice in Palestine TMU
Palestine Solidarity Coalition UNH
Rutgers Endowment Justice Collective
NYU Palestine Solidarity Coalition
Bears for Palestine, UC Berkeley
SJP at UC San Diego
Students for Justice in Palestine at Kent State University
Carleton SJP
Louisville SJP
University of Delaware SJP
SJP Rutgers New Brunswick
Tufts SJP
Palestine Solidarity Coalition at Dartmouth
Cornell Coalition for Mutual Liberation
UMB SJP
Moritz Law Students for Justice in Palestine at The Ohio State University
University of Regina SJP
Students for Justice in Palestine at NYU
UMass Amherst SJP
USC Divest from Death
SJSWANA (Social Justice for Southwest Asia and North Africa), UNC Charlotte
Adelphi University Students for Justice in Palestine
UF Students for Justice in Palestine
University of Kansas Students for Justice in Palestine
Temple University SJP
USC SJP/USC SCALE
NIU SJP
SJP at William & Mary
Students for Justice in Palestine at Grand Valley State University
Students for Justice in Palestine Loyola Marymount University (SJP LMU)
Gallaudet SJP
Students for Justice in Palestine at Lehman College
Binghamton SJP
UCSC SJP
SJP Butler
SJP at Florida international university
Swarthmore SJP
USC NLG
Meredith College Students for Justice in Palestine
SJP CalArts
Students for Justice Palestine @ UMass Boston
Students for Justice in Palestine at The College of New Jersey
SJP at Mason
SJP Howard U
Trojans for Palestine, USC
Miami University Students for Justice in Palestine
USC Divest
Georgetown University Students for Justice in Palestine
Oxford Palestine Society
Caltech Students for Justice in Palestine
SJP at the University of Arizona
SJP at Pitt
Penn Freedom School for Palestine
UNL SJP
Students for Justice in Palestine
UCSC Divest
UGA Students for Justice in Palestine
Vanderbilt Students for Justice in Palestine
The Cooper Union SJP
CMU STUDENTS FOR PALESTINE
Suffolk Students for Justice in Palestine
African and African American Resistance Organization (AFRO)
Chapman SJP
SJP at UARK
SJPCPP
SJP at CSULA
Montclair Students for Justice in Palestine
SJP Purdue
UNT Palestine Solidarity Committee
SJP at UD
NYU LSJP
Swarthmore SJP
https://nationalsjp.org/
gosh!
it’s Almost
like a Movement!
which Side of
History will You
Choose to be on?
(I doubt the ICJ’ll
come Looking for you
should you choose Wrongly!)
[butchya can
Never really
Know].
@64: Thank you for supporting my point. From my NYMag link @61:
“Settler-colonist theory is a left-wing version of blood-and-soil nationalism, positing that every ethnic group possesses an inherent attachment to certain lands and is inherently alien to others. The theory has some use in explaining European imperialism, but when applied to the Israel-Palestine conflict, it turns the Jews into a global alien subaltern class.”
SJP organizers use settler-colonist theory to justify their violent eliminationist stance against Israel.
Horseshoe Theory FTW!
@70: Do you know what they mean by “Turtle Island?”
You quoted them using the term. You do know what it means, right?
@71
no Worries,
wormmy!
& keep on pumpin’
that ADL Pro-
paganda!
“We unequivocally condemn the baseless allegations by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) against our organizations, and are gravely concerned that the ADL’s attacks will distract from the real threat of white supremacy faced by all our communities.”
standin’ Tall
for White
Suprem-
ecy?
why
Not!?
@72
it’s the 1st I’d heard
of Turtle Island
but don’tchya
wanna share?
is it Pro-Genocide?
are they calling for
Death to Americans?
or for Reparations to
the peeps whom our
Colonists wiped out?
@71, @73: Somehow, for all of that, you missed a golden opportunity to quote the SJP in their own words, describing the events of 10/7:
“On the 50th anniversary of the 1973 war, the resistance in Gaza launched a surprise operation against the Zionist enemy which disrupted the very foundation of Zionist settler society. On the morning of October 8th, the Palestinian resistance stormed the illegitimate border fence, gaining control of the Gaza checkpoint at Erez, and re-entering 1948 Palestine. Referred to as Operation Towfan Al-Aqsa (Al-Aqsa Flood), the resistance has taken occupation soldiers hostage, fired thousands of rockets, taken over Israeli military vehicles, and gained control over illegal Israeli settlements.”
(https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2023/10/DAY-OF-RESISTANCE-TOOLKIT.pdf)
That’s how the “National Students for Justice in Palestine” described Hamas’ murders of children in their homes, rapes and murders of unarmed women in the streets, and abduction of civilians into hostages. That’s what the leaders of the pro-Palestinian protests believe. Don’t believe it? Scroll all the way down to the bottom, and you’ll see the template image which was used for the Seattle protests in October — you know, the one featuring the Hamas’ gunman in the paraglider, attacking civilians in Israel.
Lovely company you’re keeping.
@74
wormmy’s
a Real devotee
hell
he even
gave it a
Shot(ish)
Once and
when Comp-
limented quit
and hasn’t Since.
free your
Mind wormmy
your Heart will follow
@76
sorry
wormmy
I’m trying to
parse this out:
“That’s
what the
leaders of the
pro-Palestinian protests believe.”
What, Precisely
is what they
believe?
that
Hamas
attacked
Israel? I know
you cream your
Jeans everytime
you get the Oppor-
tunity to Bring it up
and you Love to
Clarify (sometimes
even in Good Faith!)
so if it isn’t too much
Trouble make it Exact
if you Possibly Might?
what,
precisely,
is what the
NSJP believe?
a smidgen of wiki
on turtle island
“Nanapush then told the people
that whenever they fought with
each other, to sit down and
smoke tobacco in the pipe,
and they would make de-
cisions that were good
for everyone.”
yeah
but I bet it
was peyote
not tobacco
good plan!
@82: wiki? The SJP’s definition of Turtle Island is in the URL @76: “… occupied Turtle Island (so-called US and Canada)…”
Once they’re done, violently eliminating Jews from what is now Israel, they intend to remove the occupiers from Turtle Island.
What — you thought you had a right to live here?!? You fool.
Lovely company you’re defending.
I don’t Support
Genocide on either
side but I DO Support
EVERYThing which I’ve posted
I’m looking but Still
don’t see that Exact
quote yet wormmy
r u having
Trouble
finding
it?
c’Mon
Wormtongue
Earn your Monikker
Peter Jackson
and Tolkien
don’t mind
but I Do.
@84: Look harder. It’s near the bottom of the first page of the NSJP’s manifesto, URL @76.
NSJP has a violently eliminationist stance against Israel, the United States, and Canada. (In NSJP’s view, Mexico, apparently, did not result from any colonizing, settling, etc.) When you quote from NSJP / SJP approvingly, you’re also approving their eliminationism, whether you choose to know or recognize your tacit approval.
It’s possible to oppose what’s happening in Gaza without believing the solution is to eliminate anyone. It’s not possible to support the SJP without believing the ‘solution’ is to eliminate Israel.
You, xina, the Stranger, SJP, and other folks are either using eliminationist rhetoric, supporting use of it, or tolerating use of it. And that’s a mighty strange thing for actual opponents of “genocide” to do.
no no no
No pointing!
u know the Rules:
show
me the
Quote or it
never Happened
you can Do it
wormmy!
lay it
On us
Like I said:
precision
Counts.
@87: I quoted it for you @83. If you cannot read or understand English words and sentences, then that is your problem, not mine.
It’s pretty funny: First, you obliviously use an eliminationist term, “Turtle Island,” without even knowing what it means, and then get all querulously obtuse with someone who was kind enough to let you know what you’re actually saying.
perhaps
someone
Else might
Show Me The
ACTUAL QUOTE
’cause Nuthin’ you’ve
posted Verbatim tells me
what You’re trying to Tell me
c’Mon
Genius
show me
the Money.
break it
Down for
me wormmy
or just
Bugger
off. actually
I’d Prefer that.
nyt:
U.C.L.A.
Faculty Votes
Against Rebuking
University’s Chancellor
“The votes
came weeks
after students
at a pro-Palestinian
encampment were attacked
for hours by a large group of counter-
protesters without police intervention.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/17/us/ucla-gene-block-palestinian-protest.html
the very same Group of
Ultra-Violence loving
hooligans co-Spons-
ored by Jessica (&
Jerry?) Seinfeld?
yep.
tho how on Earth
Might They have
Known the up-
Coming Conf-
rontation’d
turn into
HOURS
of attacks
Against the
NON-Violent
Protesters at the
Encampment tho
some might say the
Latter may have said
unkind things Genocidal
things according to our Resident
Expert on the subject tho he’s Convinced*
what Israel’s doing Cannot Be Genocide. at all.
it Is Israel.
Afterall.
*So he’s a little
Suspect to
Say the
least
@89: Again, if you go to the URL @76 and read the first page, after the section on just how much the NSJP loved Hamas’ glorious rape and slaughter of civilians in Israel, you can read this sentence: “On Thursday, October 12th, National Students for Justice in Palestine is calling for a national day of resistance from the student movement for Palestine liberation on college campuses across occupied Turtle Island (so-called US and Canada) and beyond.”
So, NSJP considers “Turtle Island” to be “occupied” by the “so-called US and Canada.” By quoting their use of “Turtle Island,” you approved their eliminationist rhetoric toward your own country! Bravo!
U.C. Santa Cruz
Workers to Strike
Over Protest Crackdowns
The union representing academic workers in the University of California system said other campuses might strike, too, if officials failed to address their complaints over the handling of pro-Palestinian protests.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/17/us/uc-santa-cruz-strike-palestinian-protests.htmlqju90’
it’s Spreading
planet-Wide as
Indeed it Should
Kids these days
they’ve got no truck
with the Generation that
fucked is fucking it all up
the Adults
are Failing.
there is Hope in
our Future that is
IF we actually Want it
“So,
NSJP
considers
‘Turtle Island’
to be ‘occupied’ by
the ‘so-called US and Canada.'”
calling somewhere
“occupied” means
you’re gonna go
all Genocidal on
it? on what fuck-
ing Planet geni-
us? perhaps on
Uranus but not
on This one.
Fail.
utterly.
@93:
‘calling somewhere
“occupied” means
you’re gonna go
all Genocidal on
it?’
Yes, that’s what NSJP means when they talk lovingly about Hamas’ genocidal* attacks upon “occupied Palestine,” and so we can infer they’d do the same to the US and Canada, if only they could. (Words, they mean things.)
So, you may be the first potential victim of genocide ever to cheer on his future executioners! Truly a ‘first’ in which you can feel pride (or at least the closest feeling you can ever possibly get to pride, anyways…).
(Oh, and BTW, that “movement” you just crowed so much about? They just folded like a cheap card table, and will now begin trudging obediently offa the U-Dub’s lawn.)
*The real meaning, not whatever your personal, double-secret meaning may be.
“… and
so we can
infer they’d do the
same to the US and Canada”
yeah
if anyone’s
an Expert on
Inferring it’s our
Dear Wormtongue
but he’s Wrong as
rain. Again. oops!
“BTW that ‘movement’ you just crowed
so much about? They just folded
like a cheap card table”
wot,
wormmy?
ALL the Encampments
disbanded all the Protesters
just got up and went ahead on Home?
oh
you
mean
at the
Univ of Wa.
guess What
genius? it maybe
News to you but there’s
More Than ONE fucking Protest
more than One fucking Encampment
it’s gaining
Steam and you
cannot do Anything
about it other than argue
obfuscate deny and chastise
I hope
you’re not
too Disappointed?
@95: The NSJP crowed about how much they enjoyed watching rape and murder in “occupied Palestine.” Then they described the US and Canada as “occupied Turtle Island.” From this, you’ve concluded it is doubleplus unpossible they’d enjoy watching rape and murder in the US and Canada.
Yep, that sounds exactly like your height of ability with the logic and the words.
I hope the SPJ never achieves their goals of rape and murder across what they (and you) call “occupied Turtle Island,” but if they do, I hope you somehow avoid the fate they cheered for inhabitants of “occupied Palestine.”
“there’s
More Than ONE fucking Protest
more than One fucking Encampment”
And they’re getting dismantled, one after another after another, nationwide.
Feel the fizzle!
@37: “if it was a genocide Israel would have killed everyone in Gaza by now. The fact that only 1% of the population has been killed indicates that Israel doesn’t intend to commit genocide. I wish I was making that up.”
Your wish has been granted. What I had actually said (notice your lack of quote from me) was that Israel has the means to kill many more civilians in Gaza than it has. That’s not evidence of Israel’s genocidal intent, but of the opposite.
Genocide is a crime. Crime requires intent. On 10/7, Hamas killed or kidnapped every Israeli it could with the weapons it had. That’s how we know Hamas had genocidal intent when it killed Israelis. The IDF hasn’t killed at anywhere near the pace Hamas did, even though the IDF has far more than the means to do so. That’s evidence of a lack of Israel’s genocidal intent, not evidence for it.
Genocide itself does not depend directly upon the numbers killed. Genocidal intent can, and here does. That’s the distinction you’re missing. Were I a betting man, I’d say the reason you’re missing it is because you do want genocide to depend directly upon numbers, so you can post-facto set the numerical limits such that Hamas did not commit genocide on 10/7, but Israel has since. That’s very dishonest, and so I hope you’re merely confused. Only you can confirm which it is.
Speaking of
War Crimes
Genocides
Definitions
Justifying
et cetera
nyt:
Occupation Has Corrupted the Humanity of Israel’s Military
“I also know this because I myself have undergone this moral corruption.
I, like many Israeli soldiers, went into the military thinking I knew the difference between right and wrong, and had a clear sense of the boundaries on legitimate use of force.
But every boundary is destined to be redrawn in a military occupation, whose very existence relies on terrorizing a civilian population into submission.”
–by Avner Gvaryahu
Mr. Gvaryahu is the director of Breaking the Silence, an organization of veterans opposed to the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/20/opinion/israel-gaza-idf-palestinians-human-rights.html
“There
is no justify-
cation for terrorism. Ever.”
tensorna on December 8, 2023 at 8:44 AM
“‘There
Is No Justifi-
cation for Terrorism,’
Says Man Justifying Genocide”*
*more disturbingly:
https://theneedling.com/2023/09/02/there-is-no-justification-for-terrorism-says-man-justifying-genocide/
oh and Look:
the International
Criminal Court wants
bibi & buds in its holding tank.
fucking
BRAVO.
@99: See, you CAN sometimes start to begin to commence upon your long and arduous journey towards someday maybe having a chance at a glimpse of possibly understanding my words!
But, you’re too late, as usual. My quote about terrorism belonged up-thread, when you were stumbling helplessly around understanding why I was quoting the statement from the National Students for Justice in Palestine — you know, the group behind the protests you were praising? Their statement lovingly and lusciously described Hamas’ terrorist attack upon Israel on 10/7 in glowing terms of righteous national liberation, not as rape and slaughter of defenseless women. Had you quoted me back then, you could yourself have taken a bold stand against terrorism — and against domestic groups which endorse terrorism.
Alas, ‘twas not to be. You usual total lack of understanding the subject matter condemned you to flailing helplessly in the face of our homegrown advocates of terror. Your chance to stand against terror was lost, and so now you have no credibility on the topic. Again, you quoted my words correctly, just in the wrong context, rendering your accurate quotation meaningless — or worse.
In summation, please do try to keep up.