“I took my dog to Magnuson this morning, and these signs were up around the park,” writes Slog tipper Josh, who goes on to say:
Could this story fit the negative stereotype about pit bulls and their owners more perfectly? That’s because it’s largely true. Not entirely true, of course — I have some friends who take care of foster dogs, and they have kept several wonderful pit bulls. But we’ve all seen the hyper-macho douchebags with their pit bulls that look like they’re ready to rip your throat out. It’s unfortunate that this culture exists around these dogs, but it does, and it ruins pit bulls for everyone else. Just like a high school can tell their students they can’t wear all red or blue colors, even though there’s nothing intrinsically wrong about wearing all red and blue, it still seems perfectly justified: young men wearing all red and blue has come to signify specific gang allegiance.
That number again, in case you saw something around noon on Saturday at the park: 437-7410. There’s some more info on KOMO’s site. (Thanks for that tip, Vanessa.)
For years there was a very faded sign on the chain link entry gate at Magnuson Park with dog park rules. One year, I actually stopped and read it and was surprised that male dogs were supposed to be altered. When you go to the COLA website now, the “rules” section is under construction, so I don’t know that this information is available currently. I’m not sure if the sign is still on the gate. Sorry……
@144…AGAIN BOXERS and BOSTON TERRIERS are among the 35 breeds “bred to fight”…. you are arguing to ban/exterminate them as well?
Wow, Reality Check. You’re a dick. Not even the sufferable kind who justify their existence by being really good at something. You’re the worst combination of willful ignoramus and sanctimonious loud-mouth. The ineffective wannabe leader who makes up for impotence with bully.
Folks, the name Reality Check is a brilliant flash of irony. The only way you could make this any tastier is to wrap it in bacon. Whoever he or she is, they believe they can make the world a better place by masturbating all over The Stranger’s website. Truly hoping that if only they bark loudly and wish hard enough, the world will bend to their will. Just let them. You aren’t going to change their mind, and really, why would you want to bother? You may as well try to clean a disposable diaper; it would do about as much good as trying to redeem this person.
@146: Serial killers are typically white males. If you want to call it racist, fine, but it’s still a fact. Does the culture of dog fighting tend to be more prevalent amongst low-income males, particularly black, low-income males? 9 out or 10 cops would probably agree there. It’s an issue that has to be dealt with honestly. And if we want to talk about jumping to racial conclusions here, the guy in question is a white male.
My roommate got a dog recently. She went to the humane society and picked up a mutt. He’s a pit/something mix (we’re not sure what the something is yet). Why a pit bull? He was calm and friendly and well-behaved.
Now he’s five months old, and still sweet as can be. Well-socialized. Gets a bit jumpy around people at first but we’re teaching him not to do that- it’s puppy excitability, not hostility. In the two months we’ve had him, he’s yet to so much as bare his teeth at anything.
I’d be real pissed if some thug got in our face about how we shouldn’t have the dog, or even worse, demanded he be put down. There is unwarranted, even dangerous aggression in that scenario, but it’s not coming from the dog.
Boxers should be banned too if you want to go that way. I was in a dog park up in Whidbey with my two dogs and a boxer (far, far away from his owner) attacked my two dogs and then me. I have had more run ins with badly behaved boxers than any other dog. I have met many very nice pitbulls, it depends on the owner. I have seen many owners with aggressive labs, poodles, and small dogs. Maybe when we license our dogs we should submit to backgrounds checks and those with a police record shouldn’t be able to have any of the dogs historically used for fighting or guarding. No license, heavy fine.
Just got back fro magnuson today and hadn’t heard about it (I’m a regular, but wasn’t travelling)
one of the thoughts (and that all it is) floating around is that the maulings (apparently he has been back and another dog suffered a broken leg) may not have been exactly accidental
but that the individual may be training or testing his dogs for aggression/fighting on “fodder dogs”
(some folks are saying the individual did NOT attempt to call his dogs off)
It’s, at best, a hypothesis and I don’t mean to opine “this is what happened”
but it is an alternative to consider
While it sounds like ridiculously stupid and risky (even intterms of just being caught) – having been a male in my 20s, I can’t say that particular demographic segment is club-good-judgement
#110:
If a Google search is a reliable statistical source, then you should search for “pit bull attacks” too. 1,920, 000 hits.
http://www.google.com/search?q=pit+bull+…
If a Google search provides relevant statistics, why not search for pit bull attack? 1,920,000 hits!
http://www.google.com/search?q=pit+bull+…
All living things are born with a set of genetic blueprints. These genes control physical appearance and general temperament. Temperament is not a guarantee of behavior. You could say that a person is “quick-tempered,” but if they existed in a vacuum, would they still be short-fused? If nothing exists, what could possibly cause such a person to be angry? Similarly, you could call a dog “friendly,” but that dog is friendly because it has people and dogs to act friendly towards; if it had a friendly temperament but was the only living creature on the planet, what “friendly” behaviors could it exhibit?
The “pit bull problem” seems to center around whether aggression is inherent or learned. Let’s cut to the chase. Aggression is a behavior. A complex behavior, to be sure, but a behavior nevertheless. And what do we know about behavior? It is influenced by environment and experience.
John Paul Scott is a scientific researcher who was interested in the interplay between genetics and behavior. He did experiments with mice to determine whether highly aggressive mice could be created through breeding.
“The experiments with mice show us that aggression has to be learned. Defensive fighting can be stimulated by the pain of an attack, but aggression, in the strict sense of an unprovoked attack, can only be produced by training… Heredity can enter into the picture only in such ways as lowering or raising the threshold of stimulation, or modifying the physical equipment for fighting… In considering hereditary effects, we must always remember that the environmental situation is also important…” – John Paul Scott, Aggression
Mr. Scott has done all the hard work for us. Aggression is a learned behavior.
“But,” shouts a voice in the crowd, “I knew someone who had a dog that was never trained to be aggressive, but it still attacked someone without provocation. Scott is full of it!” This line of reasoning is fallacious because this person assumes that learning only occurs when a dog is formally trained by its owner. This idea is both naive and arrogant. Dogs learn life lessons from a variety of sources, including but not limited to the owner. For example, a dog’s play, in which two dogs pounce, growl, and tussle in a playful manner, is actually ritualized aggression. When dogs play, they are practicing aggression.
Regardless of whether or not a dog is temperamentally inclined toward aggression, it is the owner that ultimately determines whether the dog actually has the opportunity to react aggressively and rehearse aggressive behavior. Owners who are responsible and involved do not put their dog in such situations; they do not give their dog the opportunity to practice or escalate aggression.
*A rescued pit bull, LawDogsUSA alumnus K9 Moto was presented with the the Washington State Veterinary Medical Association Animal Hall of Fame Award, Professional Division. Ironically, the awards ceremony took place in Yakima, a city that bans American Pit Bull Terriers.
THIS STORY IS A LIE
THE ATTACK DID NOT HAPPEN
NO DOGS WERE INJURED OR KILLED
THE PERPETRATORS DO NOT EXIST
this is a fabricated story made by person(s) who apparently want to stir up emotions over a potential breed ban.
(1) there is no police report.
(2) there is no veterinary report.
(3) there were no witnesses.
here is what there is:
a bunch of people in this town who believe that somewhere is an anonymous and unidentified woman who had her dogs killed with no one to see it, who then carried her two dead and/or dying dogs off all by herself, refused to take them to a vet, refused to call the police, refused to speak to any agency or media outlet, apparently disposed of the dogs’ bodies without any help, and now goes around posting unsigned anonymous signs at the dog park about evil pit bulls and a tatooed young man who killed her dogs.
you people need to get some critical thinking skills.
Over the past 44 years (1965 -present) there have been nine (9) fatal dog attacks in Washington State, an average of one (1) fatality every five (5) years.
At least seven (7) different breeds/types of dogs have been identified as participating in the nine fatalities.
The victims were 2 adults and 7 children.
All the child victims had either been left alone with a dog or had wandered off to the location of the dog.
In 1978, a six-week-old Federal Way infant was killed after he was left unattended with a dog that had just recently been allowed into the home.
In 1990, a six-day-old infant was left unattended on the floor of his grandmother’s Lacey home. The grandmother’s dog attacked and killed him.
In 1999, an elderly woman visiting her daughter in Port Orchard, went out into the backyard. The daughter owned two dogs, a neutered male and a female. For reasons unknown, the male (pictured above) attacked and killed the woman. The female did not participate.
In 2003, a mother visiting the home of an acquaintance in Tacoma, allowed her 3-year-old child to play, unsupervised, in the backyard with three unfamiliar dogs. The two intact males and one intact female were reportedly “being kept at the premises as a favor for a friend.” One of the male dogs (white dog pictured above) attacked the boy. The other two dogs (one of the two non-participating dogs pictured above), although able, did not participate.
Washington: Recognized Risks Year 2005
Tobacco related fatalities 8,300
Total (alcohol & non) traffic deaths 649
Alcohol-related traffic fatalities 302
Persons drowned in tub or swimming pool 20
Bicycle-related fatalities 20
ATV-related fatalities 16
Death after contact w/bees, hornets, wasps 1
Child hyperthermia deaths (in hot cars) 1
Persons killed by dogs 0
According to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services:
In 2005, nine (9) Washington State children died as a result of maltreatment (abuse, neglect).
In a single year, 2005, more Washington children died from maltreatment than the total of all children killed by dogs in the state over the past 44 years.
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Fact is, people in Washington State routinely accept far greater risks from ATVs, bicycles and swimming pools than any that are associated with companion animals.
National Canine Research Council
From the Best Friends Animal Society campaign Pit Bull: Saving America’s Dog –
“Neighboring Aurora (Colorado) passed their own breed discriminatory law effective in 2006, with a promise that they would revisit the issues and evaluate its effectiveness in 2008. After that two year period, statistics showed that the rate of dog bites in the city had actually increased 26%, a striking reversal of the recently declining number of serious dog bites in the city.
Rather than facing its failure, however, Aurora officials changed the methodology and criteria used to record dog bites, which allowed them to obfuscate these numbers and release a report claiming victory, as the number of bites by ‘pit bulls’ had decreased. (Notably, the number of bites by ‘pit bulls’ only accounted for single-digit percentages of dog bites in the first place.)”
Breed specific legislation just doesn’t work. It’s bad owners who are the problem.
It’s not fair to pick on pit bulls specifically. All fighting dogs have this problem. The respect of another dog’s submission (universal in the dog world, outside of fighting dogs) was bred out of them. When the other dog submits, they are bred to go in for the kill. They were also bred never to let go once they get a grip. Dogs that do neither of these are no good at killing other dogs, so these weak ones were culled from the line.
It’s not their fault, it’s the breeding. Fighting dogs were designed for killing other dogs, period. But fighting-dog owners who deny that this breeding took place, or deny that breeding for traits is even possible, are idiots and should not own a fighting breed.
Hmmm the telephone number on the flyer is not 911 or animal control, there are no complaints registered with animal control, not even from the vet who treated the deceased boxer, and there are no witnesses even though the Magnuson Off Leash park is packed at noon. Even if the beach area where these attacks occurred was deserted, how do you get hysterical owners carrying bloody dogs from the beach area out of the off leash park without anyone coming to their aid or calling 911? Maybe these attacks happened, but something is just not right here.
124- I’m not being “cute with a lie”. There is nothing cute about watching a dog tear apart your dog’s intestines! When we got her to Animal Critical Care, she had her intestine’s ripped apart and one kidney was bitten in half. It cost us $3,000 in the end to put her through surgery and then put her down b/c they couldn’t repair the damage. I didn’t post this to get sympathy or try to “be cute”. I posted it because it’s ridiculous that these things only get reported on the news when a pit bull is involved. When it’s a lab that attacks, it’s apparently not news, but if it’s a pit bull, it’s leading story stuff.
http://seattle.metblogs.com/2008/10/28/m…
I suspect it is not true also… why has no authority come forward to confirm, and to issue warnings?
the Bothell City Council is currently debating a Breed Ban for the city of Bothell.
council member “hope to have laws written by the beginning of the year”
the timing of this mysterious killer pitbulls and their vanishing victims is extremely suspicious.
*yawn*
All of you “It now looks like it couldn’t have happened” conspiracists are hilarious!
Of course you can explain away the lady that was interviewed on camera as having witnessed the attack right? She was interviewed on Fox News 13 the same day.
Please carry on now… you are entertaining to watch!
lol
where is this “witness”. ive searched every news station, and the only one with any “reporting” is KOMO, who interviewed one “Kimberly Bundrick”, a “friend of the victim”, who is the one posting all the signs and passing out the fliers, but did NOT witness the event.
in fact, in both cases, the person making the reports of dog attack is a “friend” of the owner who is apparently “too distraught” to speak about it. the alleged “second attack” also involves a dog owner who is nowhere to be found. only “evidence” is his “friend” who called Animal Control to make a second-hand report.
let’s review the data. Specifically:
(1) Official Police Reports
(2) Eyewitness Reports
(3) Veterinary Reports of dogs death and/or injuries
(4) Pictures of the victims’ dogs, preferably ones documenting injuries.
(5a) Evidence of killed dog’s carcass/remains
or
(5b) Record of disposal of killed dog’s remains
(6) Testimony or public statement from the owner of attacked dogs.
wait a second, you mean we’ve got nothing? nothing at all?? not a single official report, anywhere???
So, if I’m to believe this story, the entire City of Seattle must now be on the lookout for a “tattooed young man” with three pit bulls running around killing dogs at will, in crowded dog parks at noon, only to have both the perpetrator and the victims vanish into thin air?
is this about right?
@80, my wife and our dog were attacked by a pit bull in our city neighborhood. My wife scared off the dog before it got to ours (PBs generally attack dogs, not humans, and this human is fierce). We are now proud owners of a stun baton. I don’t want to have to be that lucky again.
I see a ton of logisical problems in solving the pit bull problem and don’t have a good solution, but my gut from reading newspaper reports and our family’s experience is that we have a problem with pit bulls.
Ok first of all these are not “vicious animals”. The american pitbull terrier is a working bred dog that was bred for close to 150 years without any of the media frenzy youve seen in the last 20 years or so. Thats because for most of this breeds history these dogs were kept by people who knew the breed and really cared about it, or sadly-dog fighters. The pitbull has an intense drive inside of it that was developed primarily in the fighting pits of the early 1900’s when bull baiting sports were made illegal so people began putting dogs on each other for the sake of what they saw as “sport”. Over the years fewer dogs were bred for this purpose but it did create a dog that was strong, fearless, and a never quit attitude that friends of the breed know and love.
The Pitbull is as american as a golden retriever and was our mascot through most of the early 20th century. The most decorated war dog in history is a pitbull named “Seargent Stubby”. These dogs were kept by families, presidents, and common people and regarded as a great family pet, though because of its history, will not walk away from a scrap with something else on four legs!
So what happened? Well, like all strong breeds of dog, in the wrong hands, the consequences can be devestating. The pitbull became a status symbol for “tough guys”, rappers, and anyone else who needed a dog to be what they knew they really werent. Basically people who have no business owning a dog that requires the training, companionship, stimulation, and attention that a pitbull does, flocked to this breed because they were the new cool thing. The 70s and 80s had the doberman, the german sheperd and rottweiler, now it was the pitbull. People began training the dogs to show human aggression, a trait which unlike some dogs bred for K9 or protection work is tolerable if not encouraged, which is not characteristic or desirable in a pitbull. It was actually entirely bred out of the dogs for the sake of pit fighting when a referee would have to be able to seperate the dogs without fear of getting bit. So this macho mentality essentially reversed close to 100 years of selective breeding and gave you the sensationalized headline “PITBULL EATS BABY!!”
The pitbull is perfect athlete. It can run fast, jump high, bite hard, and never quit. Its like the ferrari of the dog world, now do you give a 16 year old kid the keys to a ferrari? Basically we have a alot of kids driving ferraris right now. Pitbulls excell at all sorts of activities for which to direct their intense drive and motivation into these include weight pull competition, agility, and schutzund or protection work, or just plain chasing a tennis ball all day long.
I own two of these dogs. They are my life, they give me every bit of love they have to give and I return it as best I can, they love everyone who comes to my house and that they meet on the street as well as children. They can get along with other dogs as long as they are introduced in a controlled manner with lots of time and patience. They do however NOT go to the dog park. I know better than this, they are powerful and could severely hurt another dog, I do have control over them and for the most part and i can keep them out of situations but I would rather avoid them altogether. I also DO NOT leave them alone with children, nor would i ever with any dog. This breed is not for everyone and requires a great commitment on the part of the owner that I dont think most people understand.I have put dogs down for showing instability around humans and i dont regret it, i have also had my dogs get into bad fights and I know what they can do. I also know how much they can love you and will do anything you ask of them, which with what some people ask them to do, is their downfall.
I would just implore all of you who read articles like this to try to judge it on a case by case basis. The pitbull is not a “bad dog” and more than the weiner dog down the street who tries to kill me every time I walk by it is! it just happens to be very fashionable for irresponsible fools to own right now and it breaks my heart every time i read an article like this cause I just ask myself all these questions that the newspaper never would like “why in the hell were two pitbulls left alone with a baby?!” or “why the hell did you bring three dog aggressive pitbulls to a dog park?!” i would love to have a little sit down with all these dog owners and slap the hell out of them personally.
And as far as banning these dogs…it will never happen, and even if it does, the responsible owners will pay the price, and the people keeping fighting dogs on chains in their backyards will not, theyll just keep on doing what theyve been doing. I know too many good people that will not give their dogs up and I am one of them. You can come and try to take my dogs, I would love to see that scenario. I kill or be killed for them and they would do the same for me.
-Thank you, Jamie King
>> my gut from reading newspaper reports and our family’s experience
is anecdotal.
I’ve read “newspaper reports” that tell me Obama is a secret muslim mole, and GWB won the war in Iraq.
My best friend had a Cocker Spaniel bite his face and split his upper lip, requiring a dozen stitches.and scarred his face for life. his “Family Experience” is prejudiced against vicious Cocker Spaniels
regardless, I’m glad to hear everything worked out alright for you and no one was injured.
You guys are all pussies. Just hoping the state and local government will come solve all your problems by banning this, that and the other thing that you think happens to be the problem until a better solution is reached. People need to be more responsible and accountable for things and not always count on things like animal control, which is mostly uneffective unless theyre issuing you a ticket at a city park for having your dog off leash. Got a problem with some guys pitbull? Tell him to fucking beat it and dont wait for someone else to do something about it and blog about it in the mean time. Typical fucking passive aggressive bed wetting liberal mentality. Seattle is becoming way too user friendly for my tastes and me and my pitbulls will be moving out to the country where they dont have to worry about being judged by “open minded” seattlites…..oh wait, open minded as long as it fits into your world view right?
oh look
more anonymous fools beat chest.
so tuff.
It’s not the breed. It’s the owner. Breed specific legislation (laws banning pit bulls and other “vicious” breeds) does not stop irresponsible pet ownership. It’s expensive, almost unenforcable and does not guarantee that biting/attack incidents do not occur. It is unfortunate that certain breeds bring out the idiot in some people. It is not cool to use a dog as a weapon, a status symbol or a burglar alarm/body guard. And, having 3 dogs amplifies any aggressive behavior and stirs the “pack” mentality. As a pit bull owner, a pet care professional and a daily witness to “stupid people tricks”, I cannot overstress the need for proper training, providing assertive leadership and assuming responsibility for any pet that you choose to have in your “care”. Another problem, what is a “vicious” breed? The list is breeds is growing. Sad if your pet happens to be on this list or a cross breed, or “mutt” that LOOKS like it might be on the list.
How many times a day do I see dogs leading the walks, out of controloff leash walks, cell phone talking owners who don’t see the potential for danger by not being an active leader in the walk and enjoying their pet. Proactive and aware of dog’s behavior.
I am saddened by the death of any innocent pet or person due to the neglect or ignorance of the owner. I hope that indeed this person is found, but, I am more concerned about the “kill the pit bull” mentality that this promotes. Please focus on the issue.
>> I hope that indeed this person is found
nice post, but you can’t find an imaginary boogeyman.
9-11 was an inside job, Kennedy was never shot, and people make up stories about pit bull attacks for political gain.
I’m so fucking sick of the fucktarded arguments around pit bulls. I’ve owned a few and lived with many. A) they are specifically bred to kill dogs, have been for more than 100 years. They have a drive to kill other dogs, just like a pointer has a drive to hunt or a lab to retrieve B) they are absolutely fucking relentless when that switch gets flipped C) they are incredible powerful for their size, and they can inflict massive damage very quickly.
A pit bull owner doesn’t have to be a dog fighting white trash sociopathic moron for their dog to go off; all they have to be is lax. Sure some people can control some pit bulls all the time. But face it, most people are lax sometimes and always will be.
So pit bulls rightfully should be banned, as should the fila brasilera, presa canario, tosa, wolf dog, and probably the dogo argentino and maybe rotties.
yeah any dog can attack and bad owners blah blah blah, but w/ a pit an owner only need to be little bit lax, and when it happens the consequences are a lot worse than if a dobey or labrador loses it.
^ i don’t think you’ve owned any pits, mister “f you and your canine killing machines” … it just sounds like you’re claiming so, to give your uninformed, emotional rant some validity.
most pits are sweet, friendly, even tempered dogs that are non-aggressive to people and even to other dogs. they are highly loyal to their owners and families. its this loyalty that causes them to be extremely trainable to do any number of things. one of these things that they can be trained to do is to fight other dogs. their physical build and determination makes them formidable fighters, if they are so trained.
but if they’re not trained to do so, or allowed to learn by association with dogs that have been trained to do so, then they’re actually LESS likely to attack other dogs than many other common breeds.
As someone who has worked with dogs for the last 10 years at shelters, dog daycares, dog parks and has experienced both nice and aggressive dogs, banning pitbulls is not the solution.Out of the millions of dogs that i have interacted with, trained, walked, cared for, I have never EVER had a problem with any pitbull EVER. PERIOD. That’s not to say that they don’t have the potential to be aggressive. of course they do. GUESS WHAT. every dog has the POTENTIAL to be aggressive. yes even your little maltese/yorkshire terrier/etc. has the potential to be a highly aggressive dog. I have seen aggression in almost every “gentle” breed including golden retrievers, labradors, and bulldogs. I currently manage a dog daycare and i can say for a fact that we have kicked out or rejected more golden retrievers than any other breed from our daycare. the reason these golden retrievers became aggressive is NOT because their golden retriever parents were aggressive and they come from a long line of aggressive golden retrievers. NO. it’s because the owners, thinking they had a nice friendly breed did not spend enough time training and socializing their puppy. the result from not properly socializing ANY dog is fear or aggression. That’s it. The sad news is most irresponsible future bad dog owners tend to get pitbulls. why is that? culture, the bad rap, easy access to puppies(pitbull mothers have large litters), they are a fairly cheap breed to get because you can always find one at the shelter. adoption fee at shelter $100-$200 bucks. Puppies from a respected breeder can go in the thousands. Also backyard breeders of pitbulls tend to sell them for cheaper and they do not care who they are selling them too(future owners of pitbulls that kill old ladies??? hello???) as long as they get their money. Registered dog breeders don’t just breed dogs for the money, they love the breed, they want their puppies to go to good homes where they will have a long and happy life being a good dog. Stricter rules on breeding & selling pitbulls would help. ALOT.
banning one breed would only be fair if you banned all breeds. seriously not going to happen. I don’t have the solution, but placing blame on the dog is not the answer.
I have a dog(not a pitbull, a lab mix) that is not very good with certain situations like kids, strangers, etc. and guess what? this dog doesn’t run free in dog parks or in the streets. She is leashed at all times out in the world and gets to run free in my backyard. simple as that.
-rondo
I doubt this event happened. Have you taken a dog to the Magnuson Dog Park water/ beach area? How would you get a seriously injured dog out of there, without it being seen by a few dozen people? There is a path of about a 1/3 mile that must be walked to enter and exit.
Maybe this happened, maybe it didn’t. However, I was at Magnuson yesterday with my dog and did see a man with three Pits who were not neutered and who were fighting with and chasing other dogs. Luckily, none of the dogs were hurt (that I know of). It is scary to think you could just be going about your business getting your dog some exercise and socialization and end up with a maimed pet. I was going to adopt a pit bull, but my landlord said “NO!”. I know dogs can be trained well or poorly, but unfortunately pit bulls and their dochebag owners have a bad reputation for a reason.
Remember Michael Vik? (i don’t know if i spelled that correctly) Douchebag! with a capital D!!!
http://www.yelp.com/topic/lynnwood-alert…
Happened again in another park!!!
Yes, there is a report that it happened in the Edmonds dog park… but I don’t believe any dogs were seriously injured, however the bhavior of the bald, tatooed young guy and his overweight girlfrind was unbelievable… laughing etc… although at least this time the guy did, a little late, get his dogs off the others…
the incident in Edmonds was not the same people. the description of the people and of the dogs and of the vehicle are different.
the incident at Magnuson is a Hoax
At 183
Family pit: Barney, female blue, small, smart, congenitally dog aggressive
Mine as a young man: Maverick, 95lbs tan red-nose from Alabama breeder, dumb as a bag of hammers, head shaped like 1/3 of a large pizza, congenitally pack-dominant. he was a goof but also
She was a automatic weapon and he was a bazooka. We didn’t have any issues w/ Barney but my mom kept on her. I’m lucky Maverick never hurt any other dogs — I wasn’t mature enough to own a dog like that at the time.
And note that I don’t think any relentless, powerful breed should be freely distributed, pits particularly as they have an “especially* strong drive to kill other dogs.
hey Joe Schmoe
I’m seeing unsubstantiated claims that the owner of the Boxer recently came forward and filed a police report, and that the owner of the Huskies did as well. Since you seem to know how to do your homework will you check this out? If you were wrong will you stand up and admit it? If you aren’t then more power to you …
I feel that the way in which people regard my pit bull is akin to the racial prejudice against black people. Like a black person is walking down the street, and the Police are like, “What are you doing?” and the black person is like “I’m walking down the street.”
The fact is that because of poverty and racism in The US there is a greater percentage of black men in prison. They are just human beings like everyone else. Being black does not mean you are inherently a criminal.
Pitt Bulls have been used for dog fighting because they are small and yet powerful. Because they are small it is easy for the humans to control them while fighting. That they are muscular makes them able to do more damage. However, they are just dogs. Rottweilers and German Sheppards can be more fierce.
Just because my dog is a pit Bull does not inherently make her a criminal. The same as a black man is not inherently a criminal. PERIOD
Realize when you are thinking racist and prejudice thoughts it is out of your own ignorance. Be careful before you so quickly send anyone to a death sentence. It’s despicable!
http://www.fabbseattle.org/?page_id=35
Families Against Breed Bans Press Release October 20, 2009
Posted October 21st, 2009 by
Categories: Uncategorized
Recently fliers were posted at Magnuson Off-Leash Dog Park alleging that two dogs were attacked by three pit bull type dogs on Friday, September 25th, 2009. One dog, a Boxer, was said to have been killed while the other dog was severely injured. Through speaking with direct sources, FABB has been able to determine the following:
No report of the incident has been filed with Seattle Animal Control.
No report has been filed with King County Animal Care and Control or with the Seattle Police Department. If anyone attempted to file a report with either of these two entities, they would have been directed to Seattle Animal Control.
No eyewitnesses have come forward who can verify that such an attack occurred or who witnessed an individual leaving the park with a fatally wounded or deceased dog.
Multiple individuals who were at the park at the time of the alleged attack reported that they did not see or hear anything out of the ordinary.
The owner allegedly brought the Boxer to a vet clinic immediately after the attack. Some clinics were specifically mentioned, yet, these clinics have no records of an injured or fatally wounded Boxer around September 25th.
No known body of the fatally wounded boxer.
As of October 19th, 2009, there have been no reports filed from an owner, witness, vet or police and no witnesses of an attack or a dead dog. Multiple people at the park during the supposed incident did not see anything; there have been no vet reports of a dead Boxer and no record of a carcass. A person carrying a dead or severely injured Boxer along with another injured dog out of the park would be difficult to miss. At this time, FABB has no choice but to believe that this has all been a cruel hoax.
FABB strongly encourages people to realize the damage caused by falsifying an incident or creating an uproar over an incident that has no proof to back it up. Now well behaved, leashed pit bulls are being attacked and men who remotely fit the description of the owner are being harassed by people who are afraid. If an attack had occurred, reports should have been filed immediately by the owner and anyone who witnessed it. When a dog is attacked by another dog, the filing of a report and the witness statements are crucial to the investigation. If a Boxer really was attacked and killed at Magnuson Off Leash Park, FABB respectfully requests that the owner, the vet or any witnesses file a formal report with Seattle Animal Control.
FABB would also like to remind dog owners that part of that ownership is being responsible. Every owner is responsible for his or her dog’s behavior and safety. This includes training and socialization, especially when utilizing dog parks. If any dog is acting inappropriately in a dog park, it should be removed from the park before something happens. Should the dog’s inappropraite behavior lead to a fight or attack on either a dog or a person before being removed, the victim(s) and witnesses are responsible for ensuring that a report is filed.
Families Against Breed Bans is a Seattle based group that recognizes the need for encouraging responsibility in dog owners rather than banning certain breeds. Any dog has the potential to bite and to cause damage and/or death. FABB knows that the only way to keep people and their family pets safe is to punish the irresponsible owners, regardless of the breed of dog that they own. For more information, please visit http://www.fabbseattle.org. FABB can be reached at fabbseattle@gmail.com.
Pit bulls are NOT more likely to bite/fight/attack, etc. than other breeds. I volunteered at the Seattle Animal Shelter for nearly a decade, and the one breed i had the most problems with behavior-wise with biting, etc. was black labs (including one incident where one bit me on the face). Also, the person there who dealt with the pit bulls the most and who also dealt with dog bite complaints being called in said that by far the most calls that come in have to do with labs – but people tend to realize that the bite was most likely play, and unintended before actually placing a complaint – but if it’s a pit bull, no matter how slight the incident may be, people will file the complaint because of the breed. During my time there, after the face-biting incident, I worked almost exclusively with pit bulls because i trusted the breed’s behavior more – and I used to be anti-pit bull before i started there. Additionally, if you think about the toy breeds – they tend to be the most aggressive of all. But because of their diminutive size, they don’t really do any major harm to a large dog or grown human. My pit bull was actually attacked by someone’s toy breed at a dog park one time, and did NOTHING in response, yet the stupid woman who owned the little dog came over and screamed at me and the owner of the other pitt my dog was playing with, telling us our dogs should not be allowed there.
Pit bulls are simply a strong breed – not an aggressive breed; they were actually bred to be completely submissive, loyal and affectionate toward humans, and were even frequently used as “Nanny Dogs” to watch over small children. And dog attacks NEVER happen unprovoked; if you are in a dog park – especially at the water’s edge where all the dogs are funneled into a tight space, and the excitement level is guaranteed to be high, YOU need to educate yourself on canine body language, signals and general behavior. There is no such thing as an unprovoked dog attack – there is only people who are ignorant to a dog’s body language and signals.
A dog of ANY breed may happen to be more aggressive or poorly behaved – we have no control over irresponsible owners bringing these dogs to the off-leash parks – so YOU as a dog owner need to be vigilant about paying attention to what’s going on – not chatting with the other people there, not talking on your cellphone while your dog is off playing with other strange dogs – but be actively engaged in your dog’s play, and pay attention to the other dogs. Otherwise, YOU have no business being there, either.
You people need to educate yourself in regards to the facts before declaring your uninformed ignorant OPINION as the truth.
I didn’t believe it was a HOAX but it turns out we KNOW the boxer that supposedly got killed and the boxer’s owner. We actually saw this dog several times after the incident in perfect health. I am 100% sure that this story was not true. No idea why she would fabricate this – she seems like a really nice person actually. But she either has a mental health issue or she really dislikes pitbulls.
By the way, if we do try out a pit bull ban, what about all of the pit mixes? How much pit would your dog need to be banned? How does one tell? Wouldn’t it generate a witch hunt for any mix that looks something like a pit? Wouldn’t the resulting legal battles over the whole issue of a breed ban cost far more than tracking pit bulls?
boxers are traditionally fighting dogs? what kind of special idiot are you? do your homework on breeds.
the general public is completely unknowledgable about dog breeds and I’m betting most of you can’t pick the pitbull in this game http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/…
just goes to show you how unfair a pitbull ban would be.
a better enforced irresponsible dog owner law would be more effective, and fair.
No complaints or medical bill so you don’t believe there was an attack?
How many of you actually made a public records request? I bet none of you did.
How many of you know what happens if you do file a report? I’ll bet you would be surprised to find out NOTHING generally happens.
A pit mix tried to attack my dog when she was on a leash and knocked me down from behind – $25,000 in medical bills and permanent damage to my one formerly good knee. I filed a report, the owner left me lying there. I filed a report, Animal Control did NOTHING. Any of you want to see my records – well you can’t because there are federal laws against it, called HIPAA making them confidential. Want to see my animal control report, well then go scout it out by paying for each page. You can get ANY animal control report from ANY local government if you request it and pay for it.
Want to pay my co-payment, 20% of $25,000, do the math folks – thankfully I had insurance. Want to sue? All you who sit and claim no witnesses so there isn’t an attack or injury? I have a witness, but they aren’t sure if they want to get involved and there is the obvious evidence of injury – medical bills documenting the injury. Clearly some of these posters just don’t understand the legal process.
You also don’t get it – you can lose your house over some of these dogs, lose your homeowners insurance, wind up in bankruptcy court. Do I mind going to court – absolutely not, especially since I now need a total knee replacement due to some irresponsible dog owner.
Pitbulls are loving creatures if they are trained correctly. if they are trained to fight. that is a different story. then again best friends in utah transformed the former fighting dogs into loving pets. so don’t judge the breed just by the media. or these signs. IF RAISED CORRECTLY, they are loving pets. and if they are socialized young as pups with other dogs they won’t fight. they aren’t HUMAN aggressive. pups are puppies by the way if u didn’t know that.
What most of you fail to realize is how many different breeds of dogs fall under the breed category of pit bull. Of course there is going to be an amazing number of the dogs and an amazing number of incidents reported when the media lumps most large dogs who cause a scene as a pit bull. Any dog can be aggressive toward another dog or person and when you take into account that the media loves to lump them all as pit bulls, even the mixes, you can not expect accurate data. How in the world can you say a mixed breed who attacks is attacking because it is a pit bull when the pit bull is not the only dog who attacks other dogs?
Another thing to ponder, most pits were not bred to fight. It is only a small segment of the pit bull population who were bred to fight and who have actually participated in dog fights. The majority of pit bulls in the world today go their whole lives without incident, as they did a century ago when they were farm dogs and nanny dogs.
I wouldn’t take a million dollars for my lovable APBT. And I too would shoot any dog or any person that tried to mess with her. She’s never had a problem with another dog and yet there have been a couple of dogs at the day care she frequents who have a problem with her and some of her smaller friends. Thanks to intelligent people at her day care those pesky labs are no longer welcomed there. The truth is, bad owners make bad dogs. All other excuses are pure ignorance.
People who frequent off leash dog parks are asking for trouble. If you don’t know what dogs are there or what dogs will be there, then you are setting your dog up for anything to happen to them. I don’t take my dogs to any off leash dog park, or any dog park in general. Too many irresponsible owners of all breeds have destroyed the idea of off leash dog parks for a lot of people. Unless you can control the environment your dog is in, you are doing your dog a disservice. There are more ways to socialize your dog. Get it involved in obedience training or agility. My girl does both and she is around her dog friends often participating in events connected with both. I trust her and her dog friends because the owners of the other dogs are like me, responsible owners who care about the welfare of their dogs and recognize the only safe option for socialization is a controlled environment with other responsible dog owners.