A teacher, coach, mentor and youth group leader is behind bars, charged with 14 felony counts of sexually abusing a minor. Police arrested 25-year-old Jenson Eugene Seifert on Friday at Birchwood Christian School…. According to police Seifert used his role as a teacher and mentor to gain the trust of children.
“The report was that a child had disclosed that a youth pastor at the school had sexually molested him,” said Sgt. Cindi Stanton with the Anchorage Police Department.
Friday police headed to Birchwood Christian School and the Crossing Church where Seifert works. He was taken in for questioning and police say he later admitted abusing the 14-year-old boy on several occasions…. Seifert he broke down, saying, “… I just want to help fix what I did wrong,” eventually admitting, “there were several times when he touched the victim and ‘did what he did,'” according to court documents.
Youth Pastor Watch
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99,
Your words.
“That’s not an attack on Mr Savage or his pairings, and only someone with a myopic understanding would construe it as an attack on children under such (custodials like the one he has become a surrogate for) in places where that has been allowed. Every single post of mine has involved at minimum one question (always left unansewered ) on the topic which I have sought to understand.”
Where are your questions, in the above copied comments of yours? I’d say your every comment above is/was an attack on Mr. Savage’s family.
Keep trying to cover yourself with “those are legitimate concerns. By stating them I have had no intention of hurting anyone, on the contrary by doing so I have expressed my care about this.”
I’m not buying it. Perhaps, Savage is?
99,
Think about it. You come on Savage’s blog and bash his family. If he did that on your blog, you would throw a fit. You call us all racist for disagreeing with you and for seeing paralles between the Gay civil rights movement and the African-American civil rights movement.
“77 Are you Matt? You can scream it from the top of the highest mountain nearest to you but it doesn’t make it true, gay marriage is not a Civil Right.
Skin color and ethnicity cannot be hidden and cannot be compared to with choosing to engage in sexual practices like sodomy.
All other BS comments about comparing gays with people of African ancestry and going back to Africa, I just have one recommendation for you all, just join you nearest KKK chapter and get it over with. Not only do you hate people of African ancestry but you try every way that you can think of to take away their gains, achievements and uniqueness and make it your own.
Well I’ve got some news to all you gay KKK types, It ain’t gonna happen.
Posted by Loveschild on April 20, 2009 at 7:52 PM
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
It seems only your opinion is to be respected. I disagree.
99, You prove my point in 102, with your opening in 96. (thanks for choosing to be disrespectful with respectful words).
“Kim, I’ve never seen any post of yours where you have taken issue with any racist incitement from Mr Savage nor any other slogger like Rob (who indulges in eugenics) You claim to be a Christian yet constantly like to bring up past errors of mine for which I have apologized for. You dear need to search deeper in your heart and further your learning of the scriptures before you take issue with those of us who try to follow the words of life.”
I don’t agree that either Dan or Rob are racists and I have said that before. And you have called me a racist (so no need to repeat it). I do not believe pointing actual facts, backed up by real news sources, that show that the African American community is suffering is racist. I think that they are facts, sad facts, but every commuinity has issues. And when you choose to attack another community you open yourself up for a returned attack.
96,
For somebody who wrote the following.
“I’m not that religious but I know that society will not be able to stand all the ills recognizing those unions equally with that of heterosexual couples like yours and mine will bring to our children and to an already fragile society at large.”
Posted by Loveschild on February 16, 2009 at 9:37 PM
Three months of Bible reading doesn’t make you an authority. I applaud your studing it, keep it up, and work on your own planks.
104 How curious that you (not being an African American) are more than happy to point out ‘sources’ to show the ‘suffering’ (code word perhaps?), don’t know what you mean by it, of the African American community yet you take issue when I and others have pointed actual legitimate links to news sources that have exposed the byproduct of the gay lifestyle by labeling such exposures as ‘attacks’ on such a group. When you fail to see that Mr savage has gone out of his way before I ever knew about this blog to blame the African American community for the shortcomings of his group, and when you choose day after day to ignore Rob’s racist pseudo eugenic comments then it becomes clear that you have sadly been suckered and blinded by whatever it is that you get out of being liked by lesbians and homosexuals and are not really into a serious examination of the consequences from some aspects of the agendas that some homosexuals groups are trying to enshrine into law.
105,
That is the point. Don’t you see. You come here on a gay person’s blog and point out crisis in the gay community, and Rob returns by pointing out crisis in the African American community. You belive, that because Rob is gay and that he isn’t African American he has no business bringing the subject up. Yet, you refuse to acknowledge that you, because you are not gay, have no business bring up your issues in the gay either. His reasons are as valid as yours. His statistics are from the more legitimate source as well, The Center for Disease Control, New York Times, etc.
Your pissed because Dan brought up the subject of homophobia in the African American community, lets be honest there is homophobia in every community, and yet there are African Americans here on Slog who acknowledge homophobia in the African American community, as does President Obama. Yet, because Dan is mostly of Irish decent, he can’t discuss it or be hurt by it. But, you a heterosexual woman has the right to attack his family, and his desire to be seen as fully equal under the laws. And, you have the audacity to do it day in and day out on his blog.
Despite, the name calling (which I don’t support) most people, including Dan, are pretty tolerant of you. They don’t block you from commenting.
105,
The people you are talking about are gay, GAY. They are not a bunch of straight people choosing to act gay. They are gay, it isn’t a choice from them. Even Obama, belives it isn’t a choice. If your so convinced it a choice please enlighten us all, tell us about your decision to become a heterosexual. When was your moment, when did you decide? Odds are you didn’t have one, you never really thought about it, one day you just discovered that you thought a boy was handsome. You couldn’t explain why, you just knew it would be nice to hold his hand. That’s how it happened for me, I never had a say in the matter. It came easily and naturally. Still, please enlighten us, tell us how you came to make your decision. Why did you choose to become a heterosexual?
105,
This isn’t a popularity contest. This isn’t about being liked either. This is about working to ensure that all Americans have equal rights and benefits under the law. It is about equality. You will never be able to make separate become equal. There are no lesser humans, we are all fully human.
“Oppressed people cannot remain oppressed forever!” MLK JR
108 Oppressed? who’s denying Mr Savage access to public facilities? Who is racial profiling Mr Savage? Who is stopping Mr Savage on the road if he happens to be in a good car or if he’s in a neighborhood where people like him are the minority? How oppressed is Mr Savage when a bill has passed by the legislature expanding the benefits and wording in the already existing domestic partnerships to be equal under state law to marriages in WA?
Let me explain something to you, if you believe that’s oppression then you might as well hurl an obscenity every time MLK jr or the Civil Rights Movement is mentioned. There is no link between the demands for social approval of a lifestyle made mostly by a group of white adults and the history of persecution, killings, denials at public facilities and the institutionalized racist culture in departments such as the police. None .
Poor Mr Savage he’s so oppressed, good thing he has the African American community to blame for such an oppression and then insult them further by taking their heroes and legitimate struggles in history to further his agenda. That’s oppression in world.
@109, I don’t really know why I’m bothering because your ears/heart/mind are sealed air-tight, but…
No one is saying all oppression is the same. No one is trying to establish a hierarchy of suffering. However, if you have to worry about being murdered simply because you’re gay, you’re oppressed.
In another “lighthearted” post of yours, you commented that two brothers holding hands should’ve been more careful…that it wasn’t surprising they were attacked because they risked being perceived as gay. So obviously even you are aware that being gay makes you a target. If revealing your identity puts you at risk for slaughter, you’re oppressed. I don’t know why you bother arguing otherwise.
Besides, it’s not a contest to figure out who gets to be the most oppressed. No one is minimizing the horrendous violations of African-American’s civil rights when they say this is also a civil rights issue. It’s a broad category: one group’s struggle for civil rights doesn’t diminish another group’s fight. The violations will continue until people realize that everyone is entitled to live without fear of hatred, persecution, and death.
109,
Would you tell this African American man, and partner with MLK JR, that his experiences weren’t real.
A master strategist and tireless activist, Bayard Rustin is best remembered as the organizer of the 1963 March on Washington, one of the largest nonviolent protests ever held in the United States. He brought Gandhi’s protest techniques to the American civil rights movement, and helped mold Martin Luther King, Jr. into an international symbol of peace and nonviolence.
Despite these achievements, Rustin was silenced, threatened, arrested, beaten, imprisoned and fired from important leadership positions, largely because he was an openly gay man in a fiercely homophobic era. Five years in the making and the winner of numerous awards, BROTHER OUTSIDER presents a feature-length documentary portrait, focusing on Rustin’s activism for peace, racial equality, economic justice and human rights.
http://rustin.org
Would you say the same to:
Rodney Powell, MD -Civil Rights Leader
Duanna Johnson
Latesha Green
H. Alexander Robinson – Who as a child learned that the body of a deacon at a neighboring church in Richmond, Virgina, was found in a church closet. When the deacon’s homosexuality was discovered, the people in the church tied him up, cut off his penis, stuck it in his mouth, and stuffed him in the closet, where he bled to death.
Rev. Irene Monroe
Martha Shelley
Birdie Rivera
Deborah Johnson
Dr. Zandra Rolon
Their lives defy your statement.
“There is no link between the demands for social approval of a lifestyle made mostly by a group of white adults and the history of persecution, killings, denials at public facilities and the institutionalized racist culture in departments such as the police.”
110 I support the matthew shepard act even if I disagree with the name and do I abhor all violence? absolutely (so much for my ears/heart/mind being sealed air-tight) that however is not what Kim means by ‘oppression’ and she mischaracterizes a legitimate concern on the part of the majority of the people of this nation. I’m glad to see that you can at least acknowledge the difference and we can agree that no harm should be done to any american citizen regardless of their ideology, race, or point of view.
112,
Bullshit, that is what I mean. I also include the fact that in some states gays can be fired, because of their sexual orientation. In some places they can still be denyed housing, etc. and more.
I’m going to have say that I agree with Riz, with out the profanity about your ignorance on African American history, and your continual equating consensual same-sex relationships with pedophilia (which what you were doing earlier in the post). And, I would delete the F word if I could. His opinion as an African American is of greater value than mine on this subject. You need to learn that your opinion isn’t the only valid one, and that you don’t know everything.
FUCK YOU..fuck you to you and your ilk..
fuck you loveschild.. fuck your for your haughty misrepresentation of god’s love to your obessesions over whether gays ought to be married, to your fake ass gay friends who really aren’t interested in gay marriage, for your ignorance of your own fucking history ( read the fucking book on him or watch the fucking film atfilmhttp://rustin.org/ ) and your smug romanticism with your fake ass black oppresions, for your wildly and wholly unchristian judgments ( read that fucking book too while you’re at it .. read it with your fucking open heart and your open mind.. try it f..just once ) fuck your equation of normal, healthy and natural love between consenting adults with bestiality, pedophilia, pornagraphy and child abuse…
@112, I’m glad we agree on that. Considering Kim’s 111 post, I think that is exactly what she means by “oppression.” And I don’t believe that the murders will taper off until gays are perceived as being equal in all respects, and that includes marriage. As long as gays are considered a subordinate class, undeserving of the same benefits heterosexuals take for granted, they will be at risk.
Putting anyone in the category of “other and lesser” is an attempt to diminish that person’s humanity.
As a parent, I take the point of Dan’s Youth Pastor Watch posts to expose a problem that for years and years (Irish Clergy in the press for the most recent example) has been swept under the rug by religious leadership while law enforcement and church members turned a blind eye.
This example is a teacher (and how many teachers have preyed on their students? Given the amount of women teachers convicted of fucking their male students I cannot believe the whole gay vs. straight bruhaha going on here) but the point is to expose the problem of adults in positions of power over children abusing that power and hurting children.
If we keep this problem at the forefront of our collective consciousness, keep it in the news, publicize these cases in the media and TALK ABOUT IT then our children are much less likely to be victimized because other adults find it easier to turn a blind eye than to help them.
Dan is shining a spotlight on a dirty little secret and that light will help keep kids safer than the secretive and prudish sex-is-not-to-be-discussed attitudes of the past.
Thanks Dan.
@ 122,
Glad to see you changed your mind on the hates crime bill, because as of May 6 were against it. http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
“Sadly it’s true,
“THE HOUSE APPROVED federal hate crimes legislation (H.R. 1913), by a decisive 249- 175 margin. But in a shocking move, Democrats killed language that would have excluded pedophiles from receiving protections afforded in the measure. Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) added the amendment during Judiciary Committee hearings, which stated that sexual orientation in the bill specifically be defined as not including pedophiles.
According to Ted Pike, director of the National Prayer Network, Rep. Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisc.) objected, saying that King’s amendment was “unnecessary and inflammatory.” Ms. Baldwin claimed that sexual orientation, as defined by the Hate Crimes Statistics Act of 1990, means consensual heterosexual or homosexual sex. That definition, she claimed, is sufficient to exclude pedophiles, Pike added. Judiciary Chairman John Conyers (Ill.) then quickly cut off debate—before any conservatives on the committee could respond—and called for a vote.
“When Republicans objected,” said Pike, “Conyers said he had not noticed them wanting to debate Baldwin’s position, an absurd, unbelievable lie.” Pedophilia is a problem, contends Pike, and is something that should be addressed in this legislation to avoid protecting those who break the law. It is inexplicable why Democrats on the committee would seek to provide federal protections to homosexual individuals and groups that promote pedophilia, while “straight” pedophiles would remain without specially protected status, punishable under conventional law.
During the last several minutes of the hearing, Rep. Louis Gohmert (R-Texas) tried to object to the committee’s burying of language that would have excluded child-molesting homosexuals, but it was a lost cause.
The Judiciary voted to pass the hate bill without protective language so that any homosexual can claim special protection even when it comes to children. What other forms of dangerous practices will be afforded federal protections under the law? Before the debate was ended, Gohmert wondered aloud if parents, who attacked a homosexual pedophile who had been preying on their child, could now be prosecuted under federal hate crime laws.
Says Pike: “If the hate bill threat has not moved you to pick up your phone and protest to Congress, the fact that H.R. 1913 protects even pedophiles should cause you to react with outrage.”
Call 1-877 851-6437 toll free and tell your Senators in Congress to vote against this bill. “
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/vo…
I was in favor of this bill but not anymore, some of our elected officials priorities seem to be screwed up when they give more protection to homosexuals than kids.”
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116 is for Loveschild at 112, not 122.
I grew up with that guy in Birchwood. My house was directly across the street from the church where this happened. Total Jesus freak and a major douche. Never the less, I am still a bit shocked by it. Also anyone working with kids with eyebrows like that is a highly questionable individual, I should have noticed all those years I knew him.
116 Precisely my concern with that particular bill is not that it reinforces protections against violence for homosexuals ( I support that) but that it also seems to affords them for child molesters. The same inability or unwillingness to distance themselves from those amongst them that are child molesters is what infuriates me the most. It bewilders me how you being also a mother don’t feel the same.
Oh… and at least you’ve taken the first step ( quoting Riz’s profanities aside) in sorta admitting your lack of real understanding of the African American community. It’s a beginning.
114 Thank you Just Blue, I know we can find common ground if we a truly are able to hear and analyze the concerns of others we don’t agree with. I can assure you that I don’t view any human being as lesser than me but as a child of God just as I am.
119,
I never claimed to understand the African American community. Are you saying that Riz doesn’t understand his own community? Are you saying Bayard Rustin didn’t understand the African American community? Heck, are you saying my aunt doesn’t understand her own community? Does my cousin not understand her own community? Because you appear to deny understanding to African Americans who don’t have your exact perceptions about the African American community. In essence, you say only your preception counts. Sorry, yours is but one perception and it is not superior to any others.
121 No Kim that’s not what I’m saying, what I have commented here is that the things that Riz’s gives importance to (those that you happen to favor) are diametrically different from those that I have heard my gay friends from my community say they care about, like I have said gay marriage plays little to no interest in their concerns. Poverty, employment, hate crimes, those do.
119,
Did you actually read HR 1913 (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h19…), or did you take the word of Ted Pike of the National Prayer Network? If you read the actual text, then you know it does not offer any protection to child molesters. So, you don’t need to be bewildered by me, because I actually understand that difference between ADULT MEN having a consensual relationship and pedophiles molesting children. You on the other hand are equating consensual relationships between ADULT MEN with pedophilia. They are two entirely distinct things. I’m bewildered by your inability to recognize that ADULT MAN romantically involved with ADULT MAN does not equal pedophilia. Whereas, ADULT MAN sexually attracted to CHILD does equal pedophilia. No one here, including me, is talking about legitimizing pedophilia. No one here, supports it becoming legitimized and we all agree it is a heinous crime.
122,
How do you know that poverty, employment, hate crimes are not important to Riz or any of the rest of us. I can’t speak for Riz, but it is important to me, and my family.
119
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/ht…
The empirical research does not show that gay or bisexual men are any more likely than heterosexual men to molest children. This is not to argue that homosexual and bisexual men never molest children. But there is no scientific basis for asserting that they are more likely than heterosexual men to do so. And, as explained above, many child molesters cannot be characterized as having an adult sexual orientation at all; they are fixated on children.
119
Loveschild. I am honestly confused by several of your posts. If you don’t mind, indulge me a little here …
#1 As Kim points out in post 123 HR 1913 doesn’t say anything about Pedophiles. Not once. There is nothing that offers them any protections. What so ever. So … if perhaps you have read the link that Kim provide, you can enlighten us as to where it says anything about offering protection to pedophiles
#2 You say that “The same inability or unwillingness to distance themselves from those amongst them that are child molesters is what infuriates me the most.” What exactly do you mean by that? We already determined by actually reading HR 1913 that it is DISTANCED from child molesters. Is it your “gay friends” that you claim to have that will not distance themselves from people that you know for fact to be child molesters? Because … ummm … if you know of people that are child molesters maybe you should report it to the police? And why in God’s name would you be associating with people that you believed to be okay with molesting children? AND if this statement was to somehow insinuate that homosexuals in general are unwilling to distance themselves from baby rapers, where …. exactly … is your true factual evidence of that? Do you often hang out with homosexuals and inquire about their other friends’ love of children?
and last by certainly not least as I have asked you this question many times and your inability to answer it is very disturbing to me.
#3 Do you know the difference between LITTLE BOYS and GROWN MEN?
126 There seems to be a communication problem here, I take issue with the following ->
“killed language that would have excluded pedophiles from receiving protections afforded in the measure. Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) added the amendment during Judiciary Committee hearings, which stated that sexual orientation in the bill specifically be defined as not including pedophiles.”
That’s what I mean by the unwillingness of some homosexuals to distance themselves from those within their group who have the added proclivity of child molesting. I would want believe the gay people I know do not engage in such a crime, they have given me no reason to believe otherwise, they seem pretty prudent people but I can assure you if I ever had the slightest doubt I would take action on the matter. What I want for my kids (protection against possible predators and a happy childhood and teenage years) I want for all kids.
Regarding your question which I have answered previously I believe that it is fair to call the widespread cases of sick men presented in this post and the other links here as homosexual pedophiles since they’re men going after male children. By stating that I in no way am making a blanket statement that all homosexuals are child molesters, just as I wouln’t with (the equally monstrous) cases of men going after female children. Both are equally bad, both are crimes that should be punished harshly and not tolerated at all. But refusing to acknowledge how more common the former is within a certain group just so that feelings are not hurt is to me not only a lost opportunity to stop such atrocities from happening in the future but also a crime unto itself to every potential victim which can be any of our kids. To recap, I do not believe all homosexuals are child molesters but I also believe that there’s a defining silence and unwillingness to address this problem by most homosexuals groups, and homosexuals of prominence like Mr Savage who rarely cites the weekly sometimes daily horrible incidents like the one he posted in here (to his credit), it seems as though he brushes them off in favor of trying to find any bizarre marriage or family rupture to further his agenda.
@127, to argue that a perpetrator’s sexuality is defined by the gender of his victims is to imply molestation is sex. It is not.
I suggest you consider this article in The Journal of the American Medical Association:
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/ful…
“One study noted that 98% of these male perpetrators self-identified as heterosexual.” This is in the article and it deals only with pedophiles who target boys.
By your logic, it would be more rational to ban men who consider themselves straight from adopting children.
Any hate crime legislation, for anything…race, disability, etc…would have to include a caveat that heterosexual pedophiles be excluded.
@127 Loveschild, thank you for indulging me and answering my questions. It certainly goes a long way to clarification …
And just to clarify on my part, the reason that I constantly stress for you that you acknowledge the difference between little boys and grown men is so that you can see how a person attracted to grown men is not the same as a person attracted to little boys, in the same way that a person attracted to woman is different from someone attracted to men. Sexually little boys are quite different from grown men. Just as sexually woman are different from men. So if you can acknowledge, for instance, a man attracted to men has a different sexual orientation than a man that is attracted to woman, than is it so difficult for you to see that a man attracted to LITTLE BOYS has a different sexual orientation than a man attracted to GROWN MEN?
It is not that people are protecting child molesters, or ignoring them, or sweeping them under the carpet, it is that they do not associate their sexuality with child molesters. Most people with normal, healthy sexual attraction to people of their own age are appalled by pedophiles and child molesters of all stripe. I would be incredibly offended if someone were to equate my sexuality with a woman’s whose preference was to diddle little boys.
That is where people have a problem with what you are saying. Homosexuals are just as appalled by sexual abuse, pedophiles and child molesters as you are, it is offensive for you to insinuate that their healthy sexual attraction to people of their own age is in any way similar to that of people who abuse children and men who abuse LITTLE BOYS specifically.
@127
Also, the fundamental problem here is a misunderstanding about the nature of hate crime legislation. Being a member of a protected group does not mean that any assault against you will be charged as a hate crime.
For example, if someone assaults an African-American who is also a pedophile, it’s not automatically a hate crime. I’m in no way implying a link between race and pedophilia. I’m only employing this hypothetical situation to illustrate how hate crime legislation works and I removed the “gay” variable because it creates confusion. For this example, any member of a group with protected status will do.
If the person committing the assault attacked him because he is a pedophile, it cannot be charged as a hate crime. Although his victim was African-American, the attacker was not motivated by racism.
If the person attacked him because he is African-American, then it is a hate crime. Even though his victim happens to be a pedophile, this does not change the fact the crime was racially motivated.
And in all cases, assault and pedophilia are illegal.
Just Blue and Take it all in,
Good luck, actual legitimate scientific evidence and the work of Dr. Nicolas Groth A. Nicholas Groth is a pioneer in the scientific study of sexual offenders against women and children, who has treated over 3000 child molesters over the course of two decades. A former director of the Sex Offender Program at the Connecticut Department of Corrections, Groth is the author of Men Who Rape: Psychology of the Offender, a work widely regarded as a classic textbook on the psychology of sexual violence. Groth explicitly states that it is a myth that men who molest boys are all homosexual. But, she won’t believe it. She is clinging to the debunked studies (http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/ht…) that nationaly recognized hate groups cling, too. If you read her posts (scroll up to # 53) you’ll see that she believes homosexuals are heterosexuals making a choice to live the “gay lifestyle”. Her thoughts are inflexible on the subject, many of us have provided legitimate links and journels (AMA, Journal of Pediatrics, Child Development, NY Times, CDC and much more) on the subject of sexual molestation, sexual orientation, children being raised in same-sex families growing up to be normal healthy adults, etc., but she brushes them aside as biased and written by gay activists. She claims to be here to learn, but read her comments, she rarely ever asks questions.
I appreciate your both dialoging with her about it. Perhaps you both will have more success then I ever have.
Have a good and safe weekend. I’m off to lovely Oak Harbor, WA.
@130 well put!
@131 I always admire your well thought out, eloquent, evidence baring comments.
It is so hard not to try and show logical rational thinking.
And she still has not just said “Yes I see the difference between Little Boys and Grown Men” I think that part of her knows that once she acknowledges in a straightforward way that they are different then she will have to acknowledge that there is a different motivation behind those who are attracted to children vs. adults.
Have a wonderful weekend!
@131, I don’t expect to have any luck at all. I read Slog far more often than I comment and I’m aware of all the patient, well-thought out arguments people have presented to Loveschild that she simply dismissed. And surely if someone is able to exhaust your almost limitless patience, I will fare no better.
Mostly I just disregard the comments of people whom I have good reason to believe are unwilling to engage in open-minded, honest debate. I’m having a lapse. When I develop a headache from the brick wall, I’ll resume following my usual policy.
I hope you enjoy your time in Oak Harbor!
@130, thanks! Although I don’t have high hopes for changing anyone’s mind via online debate, at least the excellent points brought up here by you and others underscore the perseverance of reason. I also think it helps lay bare the motivations of those who oppose civil rights protections for GLBT folks.
After all, if those who tout the traditional family as the only acceptable model really meant it when they said it’s all about protecting kids from pedophilia, they’d soon realize that the statistically safest family would involve no males at all, especially relatives and straight-identified men. Obviously it would be ridiculous to lobby for that, and if their concerns were truly as stated, they’d drop that argument completely.
39 and 45-47, I think I’m going to copy your comments and save them for the next time I come across some idiot who doesn’t understand this. You both said it better than I could.
@127- I actually understand Loveschild! Thank you for clarifying where you get the pedophile argument.
If you consider it thoughtfully you’ll understand the “distance” homosexuals rightfully want between them and pedophiles. It isn’t a harboring issue at all. People, like you, want to hold onto ancient propaganda and scare tactics which include creating this false association. Having a person, such as a Republican from Iowa, tarnish what could have been a banner day for gay rights by perpetuating such hateful nonsense is insulting and disgraceful. For you to hold that up as reason to withhold your support is exactly the motive. I don’t think you want to be so easy to fool.