A teacher, coach, mentor and youth group leader is behind bars, charged with 14 felony counts of sexually abusing a minor. Police arrested 25-year-old Jenson Eugene Seifert on Friday at Birchwood Christian School…. According to police Seifert used his role as a teacher and mentor to gain the trust of children.
“The report was that a child had disclosed that a youth pastor at the school had sexually molested him,” said Sgt. Cindi Stanton with the Anchorage Police Department.
Friday police headed to Birchwood Christian School and the Crossing Church where Seifert works. He was taken in for questioning and police say he later admitted abusing the 14-year-old boy on several occasions…. Seifert he broke down, saying, “… I just want to help fix what I did wrong,” eventually admitting, “there were several times when he touched the victim and ‘did what he did,'” according to court documents.
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A teacher, coach, mentor and youth group leader is behind bars, charged with 14 felony counts of sexually abusing a minor. Police arrested 25-year-old Jenson Eugene Seifert on Friday at Birchwood Christian School…. According to police Seifert used his role as a teacher and mentor to gain the trust of children.
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Loveschild. Shutting off your ears when someone gives you clear facts to the contrary of statements that you make in no way shows that are you doing anything but being insulting. If you really want to understand the “other side” as you put then you would ask honest questions about peoples’ opinions and why they felt that way, etc. instead of just slinging insults and telling everyone that they are wrong. How do you expect to learn anything or open up any dialogue when you open with speech that you know the “other side” is going to find offensive? Don’t kid yourself.
@50 as a PS side note: in all of this understanding that you are trying to gain of the “other side” did you read any of what Kim in Portland posted? Or is this another of those “close your mind to anything that disagrees with you” situations?
47 It’s really sad that even with the links provided (recent sad incidents) you’re still unable to admit what has been presented here. I’m sure if 36 wanted to he/she could find ten more horrendous news like the ones he provided. Yet you would still say that people like him and me are ‘bearing false witness here’, how? by simply providing the links to legitimate news sources (no bias) that refute what others here like to say as the gospel truth? You have cited politically correct opinionated research, 36 has cited reality (news), the vast majority of them are committed by grown men against boys. 36 nor I take pleasure in this (I do not want this ever to happen, no where ) but trying to brush it off so that we don’t hurt the feelings of a group of adults would be giving tacit approval to this sort of crime. And to me the welfare of children come first before the welfare of any adult, be that adult straight or of an alternative proclivity . Because I know that the safety I want for those kids is the same I want for mine. I want them to be able to enjoy their childhood, their early pre teen years without having to worry about the predator next door. That’s the worst nightmare of any parent, that due to political correctness their child ends up in the perverted hands of the men in 36’s links. That’s why I care about this issue. How am I the one who’s wrong on this issue when you are the one who accepts the labeling of pedophilia (just as you do with homosexuality) as an “orientations”, how is that type of reasoning beneficial for our society? what do we gain with legitimizing the perversity of these people by calling it an ‘orientation’? Tragic incidents likes the ones above that’s what.
How can you call into question my adherence to a basic tenet of Christianity, especially when I’m telling the truth? it makes no sense.
52 I have respect for people that I disagree with when they are able to admit the reality that’s presented to them, did you read my first comment? I gave Mr Savage some props for being upfront and presenting this story, I acknowledge that it must have been somewhat uncomfortable for him but it showed that he cared more about the safety of children more than adult sexual activities. When someone here has done something right regardless of what their ideology is I have gone out of my way to let them know that I think so.
I always read Kim’s links even if I don’t agree with the conclusions in them. She and you as most here though are sadly to quick to discard what’s presented from the other side as something bias or below you. That’s fine, I know that people like anonymous 36 and me are the minority here and that we are looked inferiorly by your sophisticated arrogant intellects. Thankfully by the grace of our Creator, outside this blog there’s a real world were your arrogance is the one in the minority. Even so I would never view facts that you would present to me as inferior, facts and not opinions cannot be discarded.
@53 … Ummm, who’s defending Pedophiles? No one. We all agree that Pedophiles should be punished.
What people are doing is trying help you gain this knowledge that you are trying to seek and helping you to see that Homosexuality is not PEDOPHILIA. That pedophiles are of a specific sexual orientation and that yes it is not acceptable. But you do acknowledge that extreme difference between GROWN MEN and LITTLE BOYS right? I mean, you don’t see them as the same thing right? So you can see how a man being attracted to another grown man is not the same thing a sick adult being attracted to a little boy. I mean you do see that right?
We all agree that Pedophiles are harmful. They also tend to hide out in your church on a fairly regular basis, so are you going to stop taking your children there now?
@54 Why would this story be difficult for Dan to post?
See that is where you have a problem. You cannot seem to see the difference between being attracted to ADULT MEN and being attracted to LITTLE BOYS.
I am a woman. I am very attracted to ADULT MEN I would never be attracted to LITTLE BOYS.
The problem that people are having here with seeing your view is not that you are ant-pedophile, we are all in agreement there. The problem is that you cannot seem to see the difference between ADULT MEN and LITTLE BOYS.
53,
I never said that there were not monsters, every ethnic group, every religious group, every country, every nationality, and every sexual orientation has monsters. No group exists, that I know of, can claim they are without a single case of child molestation. I don’t deny the links provided by 36. What I dislike is your blanket condemnation, and that is how I and many others read your post, that link homosexuality with pedophila. For every post you find about a homosexual molester, you will find a significantly larger number of heterosexual molesters, because heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals.
“How am I the one who’s wrong on this issue when you are the one who accepts the labeling of pedophilia (just as you do with homosexuality) as an “orientations”, how is that type of reasoning beneficial for our society? what do we gain with legitimizing the perversity of these people by calling it an ‘orientation’?”
Who the heck said anything about legitimizing pedophilia, I didn’t. I pointed out that homosexuality and pedophilia are two different things. I don’t know anyone who is for legitimizing pedophilia, I know of some who want to claim that (you included) homosexuals want to legitimize pedophilia.
54,
You can take issues with the source of my information, and you can claim it is biased. I try to avoid sources that are known for their biases. But, you can’t discount my life.
My childhood, was one that included verbal abuse, physical violence, and sexual molestation. All done by heterosexuals, by actual blood relatives and proclaimed Christians.
Yes, Take it all in , I know there are some honest men that regardless their proclivities would refrain from harming a child. But that doesn’t take from the vast number of incidents that go without reporting in here of men who molest boys. I’m glad to know that someone like you whom I disagree with thinks that pedophiles should be punished. There’s no place in our society for such behavior. It shows that there’s is goodness here that I can agree with even if I do not with other views that are expressed in this blog .
50
we are totally cool…
58
Kim, I am sorry for the trials you had to endure. The person I love dearest had the same childhood experiences and it is a lifelong burden no one should have to bear.
I disagree with you on most things but I have nothing but respect for your efforts to follow the example of Christ, as you see it.
The point is not that homosexuals are pedophiles but that some homosexual men will abuse a position of trust to exploit young men they deal with just like some heterosexual men may exploit teenage girls and some church youth workers may exploit their position.
It would be wrong to conclude from the linked articles about homosexual teachers abusing teenage boys that all homosexual teachers would do the same and can not be trusted.
Just like it IS WRONG to draw general conclusions about youth pastors or religion based on the tales Dan posts here, outrageous as they are.
@59 The fact of the matter is that if you cannot see the difference between GROWN MEN and LITTLE BOYS then there is no sense in taking this argument further.
We agree that CHILDREN are off limits and that pedophiles are monsters. PEDOPHILES.
The next step in this process is for you to see that GROWN MEN and LITTLE BOYS are different. And that just because a PEDOPHILE likes LITTLE BOYS does not somehow mean that homosexuals like LITTLE BOYS.
I will disagree with a man who CLAIMS to be a homosexual and then turns around a diddles little boys just as much as I disagree with a person who CLAIMS to be heterosexual turning around diddling little boys or girls. I disagree with child sexual abuse no matter how you want to spin. The fact of the matter is that THESE particular people, no matter what they claim, do not have a normal sex life. Their preference is children, not adults, and that has nothing to do with the sexual orientation of responsible adults.
Oh now there goes the person with love in their name spouting on about gays again. Honey your pseudo dignified manner cannot hide the fact that you are a bigot. Really, using crimes against children to attack gays. You should be ashamed!
Loveschild, if you are concerned about children, maybe you should face the facts? From a state that voted down gay marriage:
Oh right, it’s racist for me post facts and statistics, yet it’s okay for you to make up crap? As I said earlier, your community’s metaphorical house is burning down. Your children are screaming for help, but where are you? Down the street picketing the gay couples house, trying to keep them from getting married.
When are you going to face the facts, and do something of value for your community?
Maybe Blacks need to Act Up to throw blame and responsibility for their problems on someone else’s shoulders?
CDC “Statistics” for Rob
HIV Incidence Estimate
Incidence is the number of new HIV infections that occur during a given year.
In 2008, CDC estimated that approximately 56,300 people were newly infected with HIV in 20061 (the most recent year that data are available). Over half (53%) of these new infections occurred in gay and bisexual men.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillan…
66, That is exactly Loveschild’s M.O.
67, Yes, HIV is an issue for which gay men need to take responsibility. Your point?
67, I noticed you edited the next sentence from your copy and paste:
Why the selective editing?
70, I noticed you edited the next section from your copy and paste, a chart showing that male-on-male sex accounts for 65% of all AIDS in men…
Why the selective editing?
@70
Blacks have a rate 7x whites.
Homosexuals have a rate 50x heterosexuals.
Are you sure this is a line you wish to pursue?
70 How much of the AIDS in the Black community is the result of lying cheating homosexual men infecting women?
71, The next section doesn’t say that, but regardless, yes, HIV and AIDS are issues for which gay men must address, but that has nothing to do with child abuse. How does Loveschild’s rants against gay people and gay marriage help anyone, as opposed to if she actually worked in her own community helping the children in need? So again, your point?
74
AIDS Cases by Transmission Category:
Male-to-male sexual contact 16,749
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillan…
74
How do your and Dan’s rants against religion and blacks and “youth pastors” help anyone, as opposed to if you actually worked in her own community helping the children in need? So again, your point?
75, that’s not what you said.
76, It helps to rally the troops behind gay rights, and it calls attention to the flaws in religious bigot’s arguments against gay rights. I’ll ask again, how does Loveschild’s rants against gay people and gay marriage help children in her community?
75, to add: It’s not what you said, and it’s not in the next section.
76, and it’s not against black people, it’s against bigots of any race.
So, has the thread moved to discussing HIV/AIDS amongst children <13 years? That is a depressing reality first thing in the morning. I think I’ll go hug my kids.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillan…
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillan…
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillan…
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillan…
80, no it’s a little side track that this person has taken to avoid answering the real questions.
77
Q- “How do your and Dan’s rants against religion and blacks and “youth pastors” help anyone, as opposed to if you actually worked in her own community helping the children in need? So again, your point?”
A- “It helps to rally the troops behind gay rights”
Standard demagoguery diversion from the actual issues is to demonize a minority group and blame them.
Blacks are homophobes!
Youth Pastors threaten our children!
Christians are bigots!
Mormons passed Prop 8!
82. There is a lot of homophobia among blacks. Loveschild is a fine example, but nobody said that all African Americans were. That is you making stuff up.
Some youth pastors do threaten children, Nowhere has it been said that all youth pastors are pedophiles. (again you putting words in the mouths of others because you know you don’t have a real argument.)
Many Christians are bigots when it comes to gay people, but not all.
Mormons had a big hand in promoting prop 8.
Can you actually pose an argument on what has really been said, rather than what you imagined in your head?
83
Dan is good;
you actually believe that crap
@76: Exposing these stories helps to highlight the hypocrisy and the fallacy of the arguments used to by those who claim that the only good and stable home is one with a heterosexual man and woman AND proclaim the believe that children are safer with “Christian Youth Group” settings – with the implication being that since they (the Xtain group) doesn’t allow or ‘tolerate’ gays, that somehow the children are safer because they’re only around straight people.
These stories show that children are at risk because of the prevailing view that “Christian + Straight identified = Safe”. Which is very much not the case.
That mindset leads to blindly trusting a stranger with a child because they claim to be religious, while at the same time implying that an individual that is gay is somehow less trustworthy around children – an assertion that is refuted by facts.
84, No, I looked at facts and statistics. You should try it sometime, rather than you just making stuff up.
82,
One can honestly argue that is the purpose of Dan’s rants, especially without his chiming in on every thing he posts without stating his reasons for the individual post. And, if you follow all of Loveschild’s post clear back into “Shh … We’re Silencing the Christians” you will see she is guilty of the same crime. If we are going to argue that Dan is guilty of demonizing a minority group, then we have to acknowledge that Loveschild is also guilty. One could argue that Dan started it, and that Loveschild is only responding. I’d say that it is true, this is blog on The Stranger a paper which he is the editor. Still, Dan’s starting it doesn’t give Loveschild a free pass. If the table was flipped and this was a blog by Leonard Pitts, JR., discussing the disproportion of African American children diagnosed with HIV/AIDS as reported by the CDC, and Dan came on demonizing African American mothers who pass HIV to their unborn child, she would be pissed (as would I). His demonizing would not further the discussion. Just as her posts rarely further the discussion here. They both have agendas. At least Dan is keeping his agenda where it belongs, his blog. We can’t say the same for Loveschild.
“If we are honest with ourselves, we’ll acknowledge that our own community has not always been true to King’s vision of a beloved community. We have scorned our gay brothers and sisters instead of embracing them.” – Barack Obama to 2,000 worshippers Sunday at Atlanta’s Ebenezer Baptist Church, where King once preached.
Rob,
Video of your quote, starts at 5:01.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4KKU1A4q…
87
I appreciate what you’ve said.
Do you feel that a prominent national spokesperson
with a wide audience
and lots of credulous adoring fans
and his own newspaper
(on which he serves as editor and a journalist)
and his own blog
should hold himself
and be held
to a higher standard for responsible discourse
than an anonymous poster?
90
That is a rhetorical question…..
90, 91,
Yes, I understand it is a rhetorical question. The answer is, yes, I would appreciate a less inflamatory discourse for Dan. But, I also hold the proclaimed Christian, Loveschild, to a higher standard, because she claims to follow the Bible. The Bible is clear that bearing false witness, slandering, uttering threats, etc, are not appropriate of a child of God. The command to love your neighbor as yourself is very clear, especially as the neighbor Christ is refering to is not your friend, it is the one you would consider your enemy. She is the one who is commanded to turn the other cheek.
90, 91,
I would also add that Loveschild is not an anonymous poster. Not only is she registered, she also shared that she is a woman, a mom of 2 or 3 children, 2 being boys each already six feet tall, she’s African American, she’s in her twenties, she was born and raised in Texas, and that she is a Christian. And, until yesterday’s dedication post, I have never read Dan say anything bad about or to Loveschild, but she has been attacking him, and his family for a few months now.
For what it’s worth, here’s my take on what Dan is up to with this series of posts:
Dan knows that the truth lies in the middle—that people of both sexes, of all sexual persuasions, ages and religious/non-religious backgrounds commit vile acts against others of all ages backgrounds, sexes, etc.
For one thing, nowhere will you find Dan directly making the argument that religious people are responsible for most child abuse. In fact, with all the cases he highlights in his Youth Pastor Watch, Every Child Requires a Mother and Father and There is No Morality Without Religon series of Slog posts, he never makes any kind of argument about the relative prevalence of abusiveness among any of the groups mentioned.
Listen to him on national and local media, read his articles and read his books—you won’t ever see him reaching conclusions about whom is more likely to harm whom there either.
What he is doing by highlighting a onesided selection of cases though, is attempting to counter the perception that true goodness, and culturally acceptable affilation (of a man with a woman, a parishoner with a church, an acolyte with a moral code), are always, inevitably going to be the same thing. I understand (and believe many others understand too) his point is to show that some culturally sanctioned, traditionally virtuous customs are no more or less likely to conceal abusiveness than given non-culturally sanctioned ones. His is an ironic way to say that love, faith and nurturing is love faith and nurturing, whether it exists within same or opposite sex relationships, within or without a church, or under a written moral code, or not.
Thank God I was given the ability to think for myself!
I won’t let some grotesquely misguided cult lead me astray.
It is not the idea of “God” or “Jesus” that I am against, it is the perversion of modern religion.
And I am thankful that there are strong roll models out there (like Dan Savage) for young men and woman, be they gay, straight, black, white, transgender, bisexual, sexually curious or whatever. Otherwise they would have to go through life with pieces of shit trying to “save” them and only causing them misery and pain.
If you want to save somebody learn that acceptance and positive guidance is not only for those who think and believe the same as you.
Fucktards.
Kim, I’ve never seen any post of yours where you have taken issue with any racist incitement from Mr Savage nor any other slogger like Rob (who indulges in eugenics) You claim to be a Christian yet constantly like to bring up past errors of mine for which I have apologized for. You dear need to search deeper in your heart and further your learning of the scriptures before you take issue with those of us who try to follow the words of life.
Mr Savage more than often edulges in villifying people like Christians, African Americans and any other group that differs from his ideological standing. If you believe differently and are active in securing your beliefs you become fair game to him. I ‘ve never attacked Mr Savage, light hearted jokes about him without any malice towards him and when serious I have commented on my values and beliefs regarding the most appropriate scenarios for child rearing that I think we as a society with our eyes set on the future should encourage and not go for the least of options from the onset just to please some groups of adults. That’s not an attack on Mr Savage or his pairings, and only someone with a myopic understanding would construe it as an attack on children under such (custodials like the one he has become a surrogate for) in places where that has been allowed. Every single post of mine has involved at minimum one question (always left unansewered ) on the topic which I have sought to understand.
The understanding I have gotten from this blog has been obtained by my reading of what has been posted here not by something I have ‘invented’ as you think but by reading Mr Savage’s posts.
@96, thank you for adding a touch of surrealism to my blog-reading experience. Reading your comments is like being transported into an alternate dimension where reason never existed and perverse imagination reigns supreme.
Apologies don’t matter much if you repeat the same hateful mistake over and over. You attack Kim’s faith when I imagine she’s the most positive, loving representation of Christianity most of us has seen in a long time. Had you any sense at all, you’d be doing your best to learn from her example. I don’t share her faith and most likely never will, but I can almost believe in a loving god when I hear her perspective.
96,
Is this an example of your light hearted jokes, with no malice?
The American people time and time again have spoken when given a chance through the democratic process. They have rejected the wishes of gays to destroy the family by cheapening it with their mock weddings. Government cannot sanction two people of the same gender wanting to play house.
Posted by Loveschild on February 15, 2009 at 2:35 PM
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
>More gentle humor?
All males, without a female in the room.
There’s a reason why gay adoption bans are necessary.
Posted by Loveschild on February 22, 2009 at 1:50 PM
35: “The Gay Lifestyle”, means a way of living. There are no females on the picture. I’m not presuming anything.
Posted by Loveschild on February 22, 2009 at 2:29 PM
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
No Kim, those are legitimate concerns. By stating them I have had no intention of hurting anyone, on the contrary by doing so I have expressed my care about this. I don’t take the welfare of children who are the future of our nation lightly. And I would like to believe that none here regardless of their ideology does either.
This would be more of your gentle humor, without malice?
I would also add: can gays refrain from practices that lead to disease.
Answer is no of course, but gays do want to have their cake and eat it too.
Most gays I know don’t care about children because having kids is something opposed to the lifestyle they want to pursue. The only ones I have heard saying they want gay parenting to be legal are the agitators. Trophy is the best description I’ve heard so far for how they view those kids.
I bet that if they ever succeed in what they want those kids will neglected in favor of the more enticing “sexual freedoms” and the party scene.
Posted by Loveschild on February 25, 2009 at 5:27 PM
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
More humor?
41 homosexual relationships are of a harmful nature they do not provide any benefits to society as opposed to what all societies have recognized as marriage. One man and one woman unions produce: bonding of men and women,
birth and rearing of children, proper relationships of fathers and sons, nurturing of a clear healthy masculine identity, nurturing of a concise transformation of children into responsible adults.
Children need mothers and fathers so that they two become mothers and fathers. Marriage is the best vehicle to educate children into the proper way to follow through with this once they become adults themselves.
Posted by Loveschild on April 3, 2009 at 8:47 AM
Besides degrading a time honoured institution by being an empty pretense that lacks the mutual needs of male and female it opens the doors to aberrant sexual behavior like polyamory and any other arrangement that the human brain can come up with. Homosexual mockery of marriage are of a short lived and transitory nature as studies made in countries were homosexual marriage has been allowed show. Gay relationships average durations are of one and a half years. In those that last longer promiscuity tends to be the rule were an average of eight sexual partners outside of the relationship per year is all too common.
Surely children need better homes than this and not be exposed to such examples.
Posted by Loveschild on April 3, 2009 at 9:18 AM
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…