I’m a single (mostly) gay guy who is curious about women. A hot bisexual mate is interested in a friends-with-benefits arrangement. However, his girlfriend doesn’t know he’s bisexual, and I’d feel uncomfortable having sex with him behind her back. My mate would like his girlfriend to know about him because he’d really like to have threesomes with her (something I’m up for), but he’s worried about how she’ll react. Personally, I’d be more concerned about how she might react if she found out about his sexuality some other way. That’s one reason why I always err on the side of honesty. However, I’m not exactly unbiased: I’d prefer threesomes to dicks-only sessions. What should I do?
Horny Homo
How about a little honesty mixed with a little dishonesty?
Your mate should offer his girlfriend the boy-girl-boy threesome that all of today’s modern young women fantasize about. (Blame Twilight—why can’t Bella have it all?) If your mate is worried that she’ll react negatively to the suggestion, he can open by telling her that what he’s about to propose was all your idea. She’ll want to know if his gay-but-bi-curious mate—that’s you—is going to want to get into his presumed-to-be-straight pants. Your mate should shrug and say, “Maybe…” and depending on the look on her face when the possibility of Edward-on-Jacob action is raised—disgusted or intrigued?—end with either “…but I don’t think I’m interested in going there” (leaving open the possibility of “getting carried away” and “going there” during the threesome) or “…and I might go there if that would turn you on” (making any boy-on-boy action at the threesome something he did for her).
If the threesome is a success and you two wind up playing with and in front of her, HH, your mate can come to the sudden and shocking realization that he’s bisexual. This will hopefully lead to future threesomes and, perhaps, at some point, her blessing for some boys-only time. If she objects, HH, your mate can blame her for “making” him bisexual—or making him realize it—because he fell on your sword that first time because it was what she wanted.
I’m a woman whose “super-hetero” boyfriend is quite shy and needs to build trust before he can open up to someone. Since I have gained his trust, he has revealed that he fantasizes about m-m-f threesomes. I’ve asked him if he is turned on by the idea of another man’s penis, and he says no, he just wants to see me have sex with another man. Yet when he describes his dirtiest fantasies to me at the peak of arousal, he says he gets off on the idea of double penetration—one penis in my anus, another in my vagina—and wants to feel the other man’s penis bump up against his own, separated by my innards.
Do you think he is bisexual or bi-curious? We intend to enact this fantasy, and I wonder if it could shift the dynamic of our relationship.
Threesome Curious
It can be hard to predict whether a man will have an epiphany during an m-m-f threesome and come to the sudden and shocking realization that he’s bisexual. (Um… does your boyfriend refer to his male friends as “mate,” by any chance? Is he a fan of the Twilight series?) He’s obviously more aroused by male-male contact than he’s capable of admitting when he isn’t about to blow a load, TC. This fantasy of his isn’t about, or isn’t just about, wanting to gangbang a girl with a buddy. Your boyfriend wants to bump penises with another dude—but with your, um, lady “innards” providing the “no homo” absolution.
But I don’t think you need to extract a full confession of bi-curiousness or even heteroflexibility before you realize this fantasy. He may not be in denial about what his desires add up to, TC. He just may want to check his fantasies about male-male contact against the reality of male-male contact before he tells you what he suspects: He’s the tiniest bit bisexual.
I have an uncle who calls me “faggot” whenever he and I are alone. He’s a conservative, straight Mormon. I’m a boy who’s had sexual encounters with guys and girls, and I’m trying to figure out my own sexuality while dealing with all of the other stuff that comes with going off to college, and frankly I don’t need his crap. Do I tell my parents? He’s half right, but what business is it of his?
Uncertain Nephew Craving
Levelheaded Explanation
Your uncle is hitting on you, UNCLE, in his fashion—that is, the fashion of the tormented, self-hating, conservative/religious closet case. If you don’t wanna find yourself standing there with his tongue stuffed in your mouth someday, I would advise you not to spend another moment alone with your asshole uncle. And, yes, tell your parents what he’s been doing. Because, UNCLE, if he ever makes a pass at you and a scene ensues—you scream, you yell, you bite his tongue off and spit it out the window—your uncle is going to insist that you made the pass at him.
I’m a 31-year-old gay man. My boyfriend and I have been together for five years. We have enjoyed a few threesomes with other men, so I assumed I could share a particular fantasy of mine: I’ve never had sex with a woman and I want to.
I am not questioning my sexuality, I’m not “bi,” I have zero desire to date women. But my boyfriend immediately accused me of having issues with my sexuality, and after a two-week fight I dropped it. Fast-forward to just before Christmas: I received a promotion, moved to a new floor, and have my own office now—and one of my new female coworkers has been coming on to me. First problem: She’s married, so that would be crossing a line. Second, we’re coworkers and she has even more to lose than I do.
Is there some other way—I already tried the direct approach—to bring this fantasy up to my boyfriend again, or should I just let it go?
Flirting With Danger
I’m shocked that your boyfriend—a man who’s willing to share his boyfriend’s ass with other men—would react so violently to your curiosity about lady innards. But seeing as the direct approach prompted a two-week-long fight, FWD, I can’t imagine you would have much more success with the indirect approach. (I can’t imagine what the indirect approach would be.)
Since you’re not strictly monogamous and the boyfriend’s not strictly rational about this, FWD, a case could be made for satisfying your lady-innards curiosity on the sly and filing the affair under “what he doesn’t know won’t hurt him.” But I can’t think of a worse set of lady innards to satisfy your curiosity with than this woman’s. You could wind up losing your job and your boyfriend if the affair got ugly and got out.
Wait, FWD, wait. In time, some other gay-outards-curious lady will come along, and perhaps by then your boyfriend will have come around.
The first was a little too manipulative and dishonest, lots of drama actually and kind of not fair.
HA…innards!!! thats the best name for it!
sound advice to all involved,i think. 🙂
@49 I’m going to be generous and assume that being confronted with the idea of getting sexual with another man made you realize why your wife didn’t want to be sexual with another woman.
I hope that’s what you mean, because if you’re really saying that there is something objectively different about a MMF than a FFM you are engaging in some pretty creative wishful thinking and rationalization.
@54, well said. I think you are on to something there, whether the OP realizes it or not.
Wow, what do I say?
UNCLE…tell your parents. Make a point of avoiding your uncle at all costs. I do not know if he would sexually assault you but I don’t care. If he is invited for dinner by your parents, find somewhere else to go. If granny asks you for dinner ask if uncle is going to be there and decline if he is. If you are invited to an occasion and you ask if uncle is going to be there and get told no but find he has …make a point of leaving because of him and tell people why if they ask. Son you have your own issues to work out and he isn’t helping. Look to your own health. Hopefully you have friends/ family/ counselors that you can talk to. Life is tough enough at your age. Issues abound. Be well.
I’m really surprised by Dan’s advice to HH as well. He’s taken a totally GGG girl (at least she has been so far) and running the risk of making her self-doubting and paranoid – and possibly even LESS GGG in the future. Why? I don’t get it.
The decision to cheat, lie, and manipulate her would only cause her to be more inhibited, no?
Was that answer a joke? I’m dying to know.
love your column, dan, but i gotta say i’m disappointed with the advice today. but i’ll stick with the mormon uncle….
this guy is just a homophobic asshole. most assholes who call guys faggot are not about to jump your bones, even if he is a latent homosexual; i don’t think there’s much chance of asshole uncle forcing himself on UNCLE. so how does UNCLE deal with it? if he’s comfortable enough doing so, he tells his parents the he doesn’t want to spend time with the asshole uncle because of the comments. if not, he could make snide comments to the uncle about his (the uncle’s) latent homosexuality, just to piss him off. latent homosexuals HATE the suggestion they might be gay. 🙂
First some disclaimers…..I am a Canadian and a Pagan… I am gay…marriage/relationships are not for sex..sex is for fun, pleasure and comfort… marriage is not for life….honesty is best (most of the time).
That being said, if bf can’t tell gf he is bi he has a problem. One quick question first, HH, does mate’s gf know you are bi/gay? If not ‘come out’ to them some weekend. Bf can act surprised at the revelation. If gf doesn’t cause major scene try this. Make arrangements to meet them at their place on a Friday or Saturday night. Have too or three drinks not enough to be accused of being loaded. In a ‘shy’ and ‘seemingly uncomfortable’ fashion tell them that you think they are a hot couple and you would like to have a threesome with them. If it works, great if it doesn’t there is some embarrassment but no one has to be made to feel guilty. And girlfriend may not want to participate but may want to see two guys ‘do it’.
I was approached by a friend who’s wife wanted to watch him get a blowjob. He was straight and complied to please her. He got off in a big way because she was so turned on. But we have done nothing since.
@everyone – sorry, I thought in the first letter, Dan was dispensing advice to HH on how to achieve his dream threesome, not to the BF on how to come out to his GF.
So given the actual question, extenuating circumstances aside, I’d say the advice was pretty spot-on.
To everyone who thinks Dan is out of line suggesting UNCLE’s uncle is coming on to him:
(That means you, 15, 18, 43, 45, 58)
@27 is right on. Calling UNCLE a faggot in any situation is creepy and yucky, but the fact that he only does it when they are alone together is what makes it likely to be a come on. Dan and @27 are exactly right.
@47 My god are you a case. “I have no problems being rejected for looks, attitudes, income or logical dating requirements.” When was sexual desire ever considered rational in the first place? If someone doesn’t want to date you because you’ve dated other men, so what? Why should that be considered “irrational”? It’s just their preference. You remind me of guys I used to date in college who just wanted to get laid and any reason why you didn’t want to was considered “irrational.”
“As daters, sexual partners and basically as a human being, every adult has the responsibility to examine their own prejudices and work on them. A blanket refusal to examine this is immature and detrimental to society.”
This just comes across as the height of arrogance to me. I think you can’t find women to date because you sound like a total jerk. You obviously do have a problem with being rejected — for any reason. You’re basically saying a woman that doesn’t want to date you and won’t examine why is “detrimental to society.” What rubbish.
Dating means being rejected by people you’re interested in. Almost constantly (at least for me). I got tired of it, so I stopped going out. At least I didn’t berate other people for having “irrational” reasons for not wanting to go out with me the way you do.
@29/31, I didn’t try DP, but I conducted an experiment, and the answer is yes it is probably very painful! With an average sized dildo up my ass there was no way a penis could comfortably get into my vagina. There is only so much room in your pelvis. An average penis and a VERY SMALL dildo, maybe. Or two penises on the small side. Think really small, not normal penises considered small by their paranoid owners. As for double vaginal penetration, stretching your vagina beyond imaginable limits is only hot while you’re fantasizing about it, the moment it becomes physically uncomfortable, it stops feeling as good as regular sex that our organs have been made for. Never underestimate evolution.
@29. To me, DP is totally hot in theory, though in reality it has been far to ointense for me to deal with for more than maytbe 30 seconds at a go. Hopefully practice will make perfect?
@25: you say
“there are some fairly good reasons why bi men would [lie] due to the stereotype that bi men are promiscuous gay loving unreliable kinky sods.”
HH’s mate shows a clear preference for an affair with HH behind his girlfriend’s back over telling her he’s bi. Let’s review… he intends to:
– have gay sex
– sleep around without her knowledge or permission
– lie about it
==> he’s a promiscuous gay loving unreliable kinky sod
The way you set it up, your argument for lying about being bi is only valid if done to protect against the misapplication of this stereotype. Unfortunately for the mate, this stereotype clearly applies!
Do the co-worker, dude!!!
i wanna know how to get MY boyfriend so interested in m-m-f threeways!!
A m-m-f threesome is my second biggest fantasy (right after some hot WS action). I want to be penetrated by both at the same time, want them to interact with each other – kiss, blow each other, fuck each other. Everything.
I don’t see it ever happening with hubby, though, and I’m not interested in cheating so it will remain a fantasy.
@68, I’m right there with you, not holding my breath for it, since I know my husband quite well.
Although, re: WS, that can so easily become reality and many more people are into than would readily admit. Go ahead and ask for it if you haven’t already, it will really take things up a notch!
@69 I’m glad I’m not alone!
Alas, I’ve asked my husband about WS and he says it’s not something that he’s interested in. I’m still hoping, though, because that’s what he said about me rimming him and penetrating him and he’s changed his mind about that.
Great column as always, Dan.
I’m a little with @1 though about innards. Ig.
# 47. I personally wouldn’t touch a Bi guy with a 10 foot pole because of ONE THING: DISEASE. The homo community is CRAWLING with venereal disease, and HIV/AIDS is the LEAST of them: Hep A-B-C, antibiotic-resistant gonorrhea, genital warts of every conceivable viral affiliation, syphilis, MRSA, herpes…the list goes ON. And it is a KNOWN fact that men are CARELESS about “protection” in general, and less well known that condom use has DECLINED in the gay community.
I have a friend who works in the Federal gov’t, in the “Pandemic Disease Control” department; he informed me that Health Canada does not release the REAL stats on homo disease lest they rouse the wrath of the gay community en masse.
Apparently it’s OK for them to go around playing “plague fags”, but NOT politically correct” to give people (spelled “w-o-m-e-n) the TRUTH about the situation, and let them decide for themselves! Many of these diseases are “no big deal” for MEN, but they spell BIG TROUBLE for WOMEN. But since women are considered third class citizens, no matter how anyone slices it, apparently it’s apparently OK to let them remain ignorant of the FACTS of the tremendous health risks they are facing by having ANY sexual contact what-so-ever with men who are Bi, ‘experimenting” or “curious”.
@72, what you talking about? How is saying “this or that percentage of gay men is infected with this or that disease” giving truth to a particular woman deciding whether to date or not a bi guy? That doesn’t tell her whether that guy has a disease or not! Just like saying “this or that percentage of straight men are infected with this or that disease” doesn’t help us either – we should still have to go get tested together if we don’t want to get “Hep A-B-C, antibiotic-resistant gonorrhea, genital warts of every conceivable viral affiliation, syphilis, MRSA, herpes” and so on.
@72 translated: AHHH! THE PENIS!!! EEEEVILLLL! ONE PENIS IS BAD ENOUGH BUT TWO?!? IMAGINE THE HORRORRRRRRRR!!!
Speaking of making women into 3rd class citizens, why is it that you didn’t you drag up any statistics about rampant STDs among lesbians?
And as an apparent medical authority, you know “venereal disease” isn’t actually the name of an STD, right?
I have to agree with some of the ladies here. Not that I prefer “cunt” but I’m not a pumpkin either…I don’t have “innards”. We all know you’re not a big women fan, but do you have to describe us in such utterly repulsive terms?
my bad…i just realized that woman called her own self “innards”. I’m thinking maybe a “man who wants to feel another man’s penis up against his, separated only by some, uh….innards” is probably not the straightest. At all.
@47,
You wrote: “Where it crosses the line is when someone (anyone) rejects another for a reason that has no impact on the potential relationship.”
Ah, but she doesn’t know that. Look how many men have married women and years later said, “sorry honey I’ve been a closeted gay all this time, I’m tired of living a lie, and I need to divorce you to be the real me.” Given that some women have been lied to and used by gay men who were using them as a cover so they could pretend to be straight, it’s perfectly understandable why straight women would want to date men they understand to be straight. Now if it were a more casual thing, then it’s no big deal…but if you’re looking for something serious why take such a big risk that the whole relationship could be one big, fat lie?
@72 Do you also have a boyfriend in Europe that you met over the summer and we wouldn’t know him, but he’s really hot and rich?
@62 Robin. Thanks for putting inaccurate words in my mouth..
Of course I don’t like being rejected – no one does. Not that it matters though – move on, find someone else – or keep them as a friend.
Do I think everyone – not just women – has a duty to examine their prejudices? Hell yes! I’m not pretending to be lily white either – I’ve looked at my own prejudices and found some of them to be bullshit, some to be basically logical and a few still needing some work.
This isn’t rocket science – when forming a serious relationship each person will probably have to decide what their core requirements are anyway.
‘It’s just their preference’ is a line frequently trotted out by many people who don’t want to think. I have more respect for people I can at least agree to disagree with.
@77 I get your point, but it doesn’t stand up to close scrutiny.
This hypothetical gay guy isn’t pretending to be straight – he’s pretending to be bi. This isn’t a good idea (as proven extremely well by this thread) as it gives you shit from both the straight and gay communities.
There’s so many other reasons a marriage can fail that I’m really not sure the potential that your partner is gay should be right up there on your list.
If you believe the statistics then choosing a bi man as a partner has a higher chance of issues that might not affect a straight man. The problem is that this is myopic thinking – people are not statistics and whilst stereotypes can be a useful guide in some cases, people should be assessed on an individual basis.
To be more precise, such viewpointscan be actively dangerous – first substitute ‘bi’ for someone that lives in a town where the stereotype is of them being thieves, or for a person of colour where the statistics show they’re more likely to commit violent crime. Still sound acceptable?
Now cover dangerous assumptions such as that bi men are ‘unsafe’ in bed and straight men are ‘safe’ and marry it to a general lack of knowledge and stupidity about STIs (other than possibly on Savage Love, I have yet to read any such discussion where the majority weren’t ill informed and worse – unwilling to learn). Generally unsafe behaviour ensues.
All of the above is a long winded way of arriving at my main point : you reap what you sow. A sizeable proportion (no, not all, not even the majority) of straight women refuse to consider bi men who want to be faithful. Bi men don’t want to restrict their dating choices so they lie about their sexuality. End result : letters from HH and misery on all sides.
If we could all be a bit more honest, this wouldn’t be a problem. Doesn’t look likely to happen soon, does it?
UKGuy (80),
He might not be pretending to be bi. He might say he’s bi because he’s confused about his sexuality. Why would I want someone who is confused? Now I agree that people should be judged as individuals, not statistics which is why if I were considering dating a bi man I would want to know his dating history, his connection to gay or bi groups, how “out” he was about it, how sure he was about it, etc in order to figure out if it’s even worth the bother. It’s not about statistics, it’s about avoiding drama.
>A sizeable proportion (no, not all, not even the majority) of straight women refuse to consider bi men who want to be faithful. Bi men don’t want to restrict their dating choices so they lie about their sexuality. End result : letters from HH and misery on all sides.
In other words, bi men lie and women get blamed. Sorry, I’m not buying it. If you lie, you alone are responsible for your actions. Women have the right to decide for themselves whether to date a man who is bi. If a woman declines because a man is bi, that is her right. It’s her decision and nobody has the right to take that away from her. One caveat, though…
If we’re talking about casual dating, or a first date that’s a bit different because nobody reveals everything about themselves all at once. But once there is a possibility of it getting serious, there’s no excuse for not revealing something like that.
To all those who think Dan’s advice is somehow “off”: he has confessed to writing the occasional column while high. Just sayin’.
Mormon uncle is gay. Lately, I’ve seen too much conservative christian self-hatred to deny it any more. The whole goddamned fundy world is gay to me right now. And sissies. I mean, look at christwire.org . Read any of the anti-gay articles and you tell me–stealth gay satirist ? Or is it that the fundies are not only ALL gay but extremely kinky, and this kind of religious extremism is a really sick way of making an orientation into a sick fetish.
@68- Just wondering what WS stands for.. Water Sports?
@32- Know how you feel. I’m a straight part-time cross dresser who often feels he’s a lesbian trapped in a man’s body.
And speaking of… it is my absolutely-non-scientific observation that despite the prevailing stigma most male cross dressers are actually straight.
So…Are there any women out there, of any orientation, who may incorporate this with their partner(s) out of real interest and not just for the sake of being GGG?
…or I could just be stupid and fooled by a satiric website. …
D’OH!
It’s been my experience, as a bisexual woman with gay and bi male fiends, that men tend to be more freaked out by the thought of their mate sleeping with (or even being attracted to) a woman than with a man. I think it comes down to men assuming that they are manlier than any other guy could be, and therefor there’s not really any competition, but a woman is something they can’t compare with. The whole “What if he/she realizes he/she likes pussy more than he/she likes cock? Then where am I?” fear. I’ve known guys (gay and straight) who outright refused to ever get involved with a bisexual at all because of the belief that they might one day decide they want a woman and just leave. These are usually guys so arrogant and hung that they don’t consider men to be any threat at all, but being hung and macho and all that doesn’t help much if you’re trying to compete with a woman. Just a thought.
@ 84
Here! I’m bisexual and think that incorporating cross-dressing would be hot.
I’m taken though. And my boyfriend likes his “manly” track pants and hoodies over girl clothes. Le sigh. We have a nice BDSM thing going on though so my inner kink is happy.
And as for UNCLE..um, he should tell his parents regardless. Even if this guy isnt a latent homo, and even if UNCLE wasn’t fooling around with guys and girls, it doesnt matter. Spewing hate speech is wrong, and as an aunt I’m disgusted that he’d say such things to his own nephew.
…Maybe the idea of his uncle trying to make a move on him will motivate UNCLE to feel brave and tell his parents.
@86 I am a woman with a bisexual man and that is my fear exactly. My boyfriend thinks I shouldn’t be afraid of a man because it’s like comparing apples and oranges, but I still feel like it’s something I can’t compete with. I’m not as intimidated by women because like you say I feel there’s something he likes about me more than other women. I know it’s irrational and I have to get over it. We’re trying to work out a way for him to have things with guys and me not feel horrible.
hee heee- ‘nards and ‘tards
@ 87
I’m delighted and encouraged to know that there are some women out there who find cross dressing hot. I understand you’re taken and wish you the best in your current relationship. But if that changes for some reason, and I’m not suggesting you should end it because of me, then please be sure to contact me and I promise you an extremely hot lingerie modeling show.
Good night!
“I personally wouldn’t touch a Bi guy with a 10 foot pole because of ONE THING: DISEASE. The homo community is CRAWLING with venereal disease, and HIV/AIDS is the LEAST of them: Hep A-B-C, antibiotic-resistant gonorrhea, genital warts of every conceivable viral affiliation, syphilis, MRSA, herpes…the list goes ON. And it is a KNOWN fact that men are CARELESS about “protection” in general, and less well known that condom use has DECLINED in the gay community.”
Last local newspaper article I read about this went on to point out that recent surveys of STRAIGHT people pointed to an alarming reduction in safe-sex practices over recent years, and an increased willingness for the paid-for variety to have a no-barrier option (for a few extra bucks).
Sex tourism relies on the straights for a big portion of its trade, and it’s notorious for coming with unwelcome extras. The military guys I know often pay for a little local recreation while on deployment, and have had to make a few discreet visits to their pharmacist as a result.
Next time you touch one of your “not-bi” types, keep in mind they’re pretty darned risky too. Which is why safe sex, regular check-ups, and couple testing before going no-barriers are all good ideas, and blind bigotry and assuming your ‘straight’ types are somehow not potentially disease-ridden scumbags is just dumb.
Blame Twilight for modern women for m/f/m preferences? Jesus, how about a little credit for media fans who have been fantasizing about two men (in any combination, or solo) for the last forty years? Did you not read your own paper’s article on Kirk/Spock? Do you need someone to explain to you what slash is? Stephanie Meyer is like the toddler brought to the college reunion.
I’m disappointed you seem to know so little about sexual-interest trends in American culture considering your occupation. (Or maybe it’s your anti-anything-involving-girls bias.)
Hmm, lots of comments. Great column this week!
Anyone else think that HH kept calling the other guy his ‘mate’ because he’s from England or Australia, perhaps?
p.s. 93 – i think your panties are in a bunch. dan was just trying to be funny and pop culturally relevant/timely with the twilight comment. relax 🙂
the advise to HH was on point. i agree with Dan. reagardless what HH wants to do in this issue, but it IS what she wants. frankly, that’s unfair.and it the end it WOULD be her fault if the relationship ended because she wouldn’t be comfortable of him being bi. she should be open to her bf’s sexual adventures. if this is where she draws the line then maybe HH should find another girl to explore his sexual desires.
94 – Yes, it was the first thing I thought of! Australians use ‘mate’ to mean ‘friend’, regardless of gender.
People who get all self-righteous on Dan’s column kill me. Because they never ever lie or manipulate anyone or only tell part of the truth, oh mercy no! They are little saints who never do anything wrong ever! And yet they seem to love reading about pervy sex. Shouldn’t you people be watching the 700 Club or something?
@84 – yes, WS=watersports. My number 1 all-time fantasy.
As a woman, I would be TOTALLY FINE with someone coming out to me as being bi. What I would NOT be fine with–at all–! is:
a) planning to cheat on me with another male friend in secret
b) coming out to me in some fake staged revelation
c) conning me into agreeing to a threesome and then blaming me if it hurts the relationship.
Btw, what if the girl’s response to that brilliant idea is “Oh, yeah, a threesome would be hot, but I would want to stipulate no contact between you and the other guy except kissing, because I’d be jealous”? What would Dan advice the guy to do then? It wasn’t the girl’s idea to have the threesome, so she could take it or leave it, so if the guy thinks that condition is “unfair” she’d just say fair enough, scrap the threesome idea entirely. But if they do go through with it, he can’t blame her (poor girl, being guilted for being GGG) if he gets “carried away” enough that he ends up with his mate’s dick in his mouth or his ass.
#98 You got one thing right. I don’t ever lie or manipulate other people. No 700 club for me though thank you!
Why is that inconsistent with reading about kinky sex?