Fact: Any breed of dog is capable of attacking a human. But 56 percent of all fatal dog attacks in the United States in the past five years were committed by pit bulls, according to a report released last week by the organization DogsBite.org. “During the 1980s and 1990s, fatal dog attacks averaged 17 per year. The death-by-dog-bite rate now is nearly double this amount at over 30 per year and largely due to pit bulls,” the group says. The tips below can be used against any breed of dog that happens to attack, up to and including the pit bull. (And to those who claim that humans’ anxiety about pit bull attacks is fostering an environment where pit bulls are subliminally encouraged to attack: I will not discuss matters of human culpability and mind-reading pit bulls because YOU ARE INSANE.)
“Trying to make friends with strange dogs is not a good idea,” says David Wiley, a Seattle dog behavioral therapist with BarkBusters.com. “Don’t try to pay attention to a dog in a car or behind a fence—even friendly dogs can be territorial.”
Never let yummy little kids—who make sudden, startling, unpredictable movements—anywhere near unleashed pit bulls.
If you find yourself on what feels like the verge of being attacked: “Don’t run—the movement can make the dog more excited and chase you. Stand completely still and cross your hands in front of you. Don’t make direct eye contact, which can come across as a challenge. Don’t turn your back, as it may embolden the dog. Just stand still. Once the dog loses interest, back away,” says Wiley.
So you’ve stood still and avoided eye contact, and still the dog in question shows signs of dangerous aggression. If you can get yourself somewhere higher than the ground, do it. If you can stand on a car, stand on a car. (You can worry about possibly denting a stranger’s hood and roof later—just get the fuck up there.)
If there’s no car or any other higher level handy, “don’t try to defend yourself, just protect yourself,” says Emily Keegans, behavior program manager at the Seattle Humane Society. “That basically means to get down on the ground, pull your knees to your chest, clasp your hands behind your neck, put your elbows around your face.” This play-dead-while-defending-your- tender-face-and-lap-bits approach is seconded by Wiley: “Stillness is the best thing. If a dog gets its teeth into you, fighting back can make things worse.”
There’s nothing as low drama as spraying the animal with a pain-inducing repellent. If your life regularly takes you through areas populated with dogs, get Mace (or pepper spray, or citronella). Do it now, because all other “fighting back” options are nauseatingly violent. Butch’s Gun Shop on Aurora Avenue sells a small container of Mace for around $12, while REI sells an eight-ounce “bear spray” for $30.
Is there something heavy you can grab? A rock, a brick, a boom box? If so, smash it against the dog’s head until it retreats or loses consciousness.
Or can you or someone else grab the attacking dog’s legs? If so, yank them apart to break the dog’s knees.
If that’s not possible, choke it. Don’t straddle the dog, but get into a position with the bony part of your forearm against its throat and put pressure on the windpipe “for at least 30 seconds until the dog is unconscious and has stopped struggling,” says self-defense specialist Charles Prosper.
Is choking not in the cards? Do you have something to wrap around your arm? Say, a jacket? If so, wrap it around your nondominant arm and let the dog bite it. Then fall on top of the fucker and dig your fingers into its eyes. Don’t stop until the dog’s a whimpering mass of blindness, then get yourself to safety. 
The follow-up: How to Defeat Someone Made Furious by ‘How to Defeat a Pit Bull with Your Bare Hands.’
Schamder, your article would probably be a lot more accepted and no so inflammatory if you had titled it “how to defeat and attacking dog with your bare hands”
The strangers misguided hatred of pit bulls is getting old.
“It’s not the dogs, it’s irresponsible owners, blah blah blah…”. This argument completely ignores the fact that pit bull fighting is a culture, and otherwise not so dangerous things often become dangerous things when an idea or culture uses them. Take the wearing of all blue and red: most high schools ban this because of its affiliation to gangs. There is nothing intrinsically bad about wearing all blue or red, though — you could say that barring huge leaps of logic into freak accident land, it has a danger level of 0. Likewise, pit bulls should be banned because they have unfortunately been picked up by a culture of macho dickheads who fight them. If pit bull lovers can figure out a way to squash this culture and ensure that these dogs don’t attack at a higher rate than your average dog, then great, I will give them a round of applause. But don’t start clapping anytime soon.
Dog attack survivor here.
I’d say: I prefer not to use bare hands, but yes: gouging eyes is an excellent and proven method to slow ANY violent animal attack (bear, dog, those damn fiesty squirrels), …including from humans.
Good article – fairly entertaining, slightly educational I suppose for those who haven’t endured a dog attack before. Love the art. Dead on true about using forarm. Meanly-trained Rotties, Dobes and PB’s like tasty fingers. Trust me.
One other point that needs to be brought up: I don’t really give a fuck about dog fighting, so long as it’s done out in the middle of nowhere. For someone who eats meat, or even vegans and vegetarians who tolerate the fact that others in the world eat meat (almost everyone, in other words), it’s hard to make a case against letting dogs go at each other for entertainment when you aren’t out there trying to stop them from being eaten.
The key thing is that dog fighting take place in rural areas: if you have your dogs in a modern, safe kennel, and you fight them well away from civilization, then fine. I think what you’re doing is stupid, but I don’t really care. What I do have a problem with is this culture’s base in urban and suburban areas, where there are kids and other tasty forms of meat walking around.
Don’t assume that dog lovers speak with one voice. I am a dog lover and I like this article. My gentle Golden was attacked by a pit and I wish I had the knowledge then to defend her and myself. She survived, but needed medical attention. I wonder if there are some stats about pit bull attacks on other dogs?
Just want to shatter any impression that all dog lovers are outraged by this article.
This will be the last time I read anything in The Stranger. This type of media attention is exactly why cities across the country try to pass BSL. Luckily, informed and educated individuals are starting to fight back against this discrimination and show communities that it isn’t just “pit bulls” that attack but a dog that is abused, neglected, not socialized can attack. If all reports of dog bites where in the media as much as pit bull bites were, people would actually be aware that pits are NOT the dogs that bite the most – labrador retrievers are. Pit bulls are intelligent, loving dogs that get a bad rap partially by people like David Schmader. Get your facts straight David – and spend more time writing intelligent articles vs. ill informed crap like this….Never mind – I won’t read it anyways.
I’m the owner of the sweetest, friendliest dog you ever met. And she’s a pit bull. She’s less aggressive than my previous dogs, a cocker spaniel and a lab-collie mix. But the reason she continues to be sweet and gentle is that I have trained her to be that way. She knows I am her “alpha”, and she has to do what I say all the time! I’ve socialized her to be gentle with other animals (she thinks our two cats are her babies) and with people. If you are careless with a weapon, and an untrained naturally aggressive animal is a weapon, bad things will happen. I’ve known chihuahuas that I wouldn’t get within 10 feet of, because they barked and lunged at me and tried to bite nonstop. And those breed laws? If pits were banned from everywhere, then people who want crazy mean dogs would pick another strong breed and start all again. The solution is mandatory education for all dog owners about their animals natural instincts and how to overcome them with training.
Oh David, your political career is looking good when you can post an article named “How to defeat a Pit Bull” and then backpedal trying to defend it by *retroactively retitling it* to “How to defend yourself from an attacking dog”.
The point is, you *didn’t* write an article called “How to defend yourself from an attacking dog”. You wrote one — specifically — on “how to defeat a *pit bull*”
In other words, if you are attacked by a German Shepherd, or Doberman, or even a Rottie, you’re fucked — because this guide is only for Satan Spawn Born Evil Pit Bulls. Stranger is not concerned with non-stereotypically-violent dogs.
(I wonder what Golob says about the Stranger’s canine eugenics?)
Another dog-lover here. I sorry to inform other dog lovers that there are some extraordinarily violence-bred pitbulls. One of my neighbors in Manhattan had three of them. It was a horror show when he took them up and down the stairs for walks. They were virtually uncontrollable, trying to bite through their chain leashes until they were bleeding from the mouths, and berserk from the taste of their own blood. They would attack each other, and I believe they were related. The neighbor appeared caring and patient and would try to protect his animals from each other, and was strong enough to restrain them from biting people. The problem was the animals.
Never buy a pitbull pup without meeting both of its parents. Even then, there’s a lot of inbreeding with the breed, which can amplify negative behavioral traits. An awful lot of the extant pitbull stock comes from recent attempts at breeding dogs for pit-fighting contests. Fight breeders selected the strongest and most blood-thirsty dogs to breed with each other, and breed a lot of them, because they have a high attrition rate. Many of those pups that aren’t strong or vicious enough get sold or given away into the pet market, despite them having genes for really bad personalities. And if a couple of those are later bred to each other, watch out.
The sweet, child-friendly, protective “Buster Brown” dog bears no resemblence to these fighters with their massive T-Rex heads. Yes, it is the breed, at least as it’s presently constituted, sadly.
Thanks.
As a small woman I often feel like potential target/snack for these dogs/biological weapons/walking manifestations of human rage. It’s nice to have options.
I was once rushed by an unleashed pitbull. I froze–thanks self preservation instincts!–fortunately it was friendly or I was passive enough not to incite it.
How to spark interest in an increasingly vapid alternative weekly and increase hits on its website:
1) Write inflammatory, ignorant article in print edition.
2) ???
3) Profit
As much as I hope to never have occasion to use it, this is valuable information and I am glad to see it published. The tips for injuring the dog, as hard as they may be to swallow, are a necessary part of self-defense because you cannot reason with an aggressive pit bull. I don’t want to choke or maim a dog in any way if I am not forced to do so. There is simply no question that I would do any of these to protect my life and health. Getting up on a car — seems obvious, but it will save your life. Dogs lack the balance and motor skills to get to you there. Too bad these types of dogs often go after kids who are too small to effectively use any of these tactics.
i have thought about this from time to time, and it seems to me that unless the dog is extremely heavy, in relationship to the atackee, it might be best to simply allow the dog to lunge at you, then grab a leg ( remain very cool! ) and lean back while spinning, keep spinning, and then heave the dog over a fence, onto a roof, or into traffic.
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Pit bull owners are are like the dickwads who insist on their right to carry guns into Starbucks.
They believe they have a constitutional right to casually intimidate their fellow citizens.
When I see a pit bull owner I think some combination of daddy issues/small penis/low self-esteem is being worked out on the public stage.
Anybody seen Kyle? ’bout this tall. Seen Kyle?
this article makes me ashamed of being a stranger reader.
You know, French poodles can also be quite vicious.
114: The title of the piece remains the same as when it was published, and all the tips in the piece can be used against any dog that may be attacking you.
pittielover @87 said:
Sorry, pittielover, but this statement shows that you are not a good dog owner. How is the runner supposed to know the dog’s intentions? You should KEEP the dog from approaching runners in the first place. You obviously do not properly control your dogs.
311_TruthMovement @109 said:
Only if you’re deluded. Otherwise it’s pretty easy, actually.
I always liked the stranger because they didn’t run all the same non-sense the other papers do. apparently this is changing…
@124, Schmader
That’s like posting and article on “how to kill black people” and then later on saying you can use the same methods to kill any other race too.
David, the reason Pit Bull fanciers are getting all, um, nonsensical furious, is because your poorly written article wasn’t really, as you say in your second post, about “how to defend yourself against an attacking dog”. It was about trying to inflame people against Pit Bulls. That article might have been interesting and useful. And I’m not just saying it was poorly written to be mean. Your sins:
1) Relying on sketchy statistics
2) Not disclosing The Stranger’s links to DogsBite.org
3) Setting up and knocking down straw men (humans’ anxiety at fault argument, really?)
4) Possibly bad info (is playing dead really a smart idea when being savaged?)
5) Not getting input from “the other side” Isn’t Dan always going on about this with pot stories?
105 has a point. There is a Pit Bull problem. Too many are vicious, too many attacks. The problem is real. And a lot of it centers around this breed. So how do we make the problem better? In deciding how we should act, it is very important to distinguish the *reason* for the problem. The Stranger thinks the problem is the breed. I think it is thuggish and/or ignorant owners. I think The Stranger is unwilling to pile onto these owners of bad dogs who are (let’s be honest here) usually poor, black, and dysfunctional with a sprinkling of white trash. Basically your train wreck demographic.
For the sake of argument, lets say we ban Pit Bulls. Do you honestly believe that the 20 yo drug dealer owner will say “oh well, I guess since it is illegal, I’ll just not have a dog at all! Oh look, I think I’ll go help that old lady across the street!”. No, they will just move on to another breed. There is a type of person who thinks they need a mean “guard dog” to keep them safe, and to enhance their image. These people will just pick a new “it” dog, and destroy that breed too.
So, these are my proposals, that will make a difference.
1)Make back-yard breeding illegal.
2)Make neutering mandatory, unless you you have a breeding permit.
3)Make seizing dogs much easier. If you are caught without a dog license the dog should be seized automatically. Then, you will be able to “adopt” the dog back from the shelter (if you and the dog pass the shelter’s screening procedure!) once it is licensed and neutered.
4)Make seizing dogs on cruelty grounds easier.
5)If a dog bites a human, it should be put down. End of story.
Another approach is to confuse it with Molly Moon’s overpriced ice-cream, or a Po Dog’s hotdog and then attack it with a R.E.I. pocket, nuclear harpoon.
@78:
Your statement is clear evidence of just how little you know about dogs. Apparently, you’ve never seen a dog gleefully roll around in its own (or another dog’s) shit, or worse yet, eat it.
I don’t mind this article. I am of the positive training philosophy, and continue to train my dog throughout her years. I hate people who do not train their dogs.
I have one more tip: this one is for stupid parents: KEEP YOUR KIDS OUT OF DOG PARKS.
I wouldn’t let my dog loose in your child’s playground, don’t let your child loose in my dog’s dogpark.
Aww boo hoo something that conflicts with my opinion. I am going to stop reading forever!
@131 – it’s not the dog parks that are the problem. Duh. I see WAAAY more dogs loose near (and even IN) children’s playgrounds than I see children loose in dog parks.
The problem is that half the dogs I see in PEOPLE parks are OFF LEASH. And what happens is when your stupid dog comes running at our kids we have no idea if it’s planning to lick them or eat them.
I’m with @21 & 23. The behavior of the dog–ANY DOG, cat, tarantula, pygmy goat, whatever—depends upon the training / lack of training, love, quality care–or violent abuse and other mistreatment by the human(s) responsible. I’ve met Doberman Pinschers that didn’t threaten to rip me to shreds.
If so-called pet owners don’t want to be responsible, maybe they’re better off not having pets.
@87 – How can a person learn to train a dog if they don’t own one? Also, you contradict yourself. My favorite instance is calling Cesar Milan fans “clueless idiots” right after proclaiming the dog-lover bashers here have the mental and emotional capacity of nine year-olds. Love when you launch into calling people “mindless plebian” or rather plebeians. You will win no support with that kind of attitude. Plus, you basically stole what I said, crapped all over it and posted it back on here.
@87 – How can a person learn to train a dog if they don’t own one? Also, you contradict yourself. My favorite instance is calling Cesar Milan fans “clueless idiots” right after proclaiming the dog-lover bashers here have the mental and emotional capacity of nine year-olds. Love when you launch into calling people “mindless plebian” or rather plebeians. You will win no support with that kind of attitude. Plus, you basically stole what I said, crapped all over it and posted it back on here.
@ 94 – You ask a very good question – what IS in those pit bull genes anyway?
@ 115 answers your very good question. 115 has it right – these dogs are exhibiting EXACTLY the behavior we bred into them. Unscrupulous breeders select for aggression and breed the most agressive dogs together – to result in just the kind of nightmare scenario that Brooklyn Reader describes.
All you ‘it’s not the dog, it’s the owner’ people out there take note: it IS the dog, in this sad case, much more so than Dobermans or Rottweilers. It damn sure IS the dog that’s the problem, a problem only exacerbated when lowlifes own hella snappin pits. You just have to wrap your minds around that fact: it IS the dog that is the problem, because we’ve bred it to be. Unless ALL pit breeders start selecting and breeding for gentleness (ha!), we will not, in our lifetimes, see the return of the Buster Brown-type pit bull dog. (And that’s a real fuckin bummer, because pits have all kinds of potential to be truly great dogs. Chalk it up to the shitheel-ness of humanity that we’re in the fix with them that we’re in now.)
And hey @ 109, 311TM – you’ve got a strange view of dog-fighting, dude. Because you think it’s mostly a rural phenomenon, you’re not bothered by it? Really? Outta sight, outta mind, right? Right………..
Hey, David Schmader, I think this article is useless, sensationalistic, fearmongering shit. Can you quote me in a SLOG post denouncing the article’s detractors? You can say “EPIC FAIL” or something. C’mon, it’ll be fun.
And how many of you worthless piece of craps that work at the Stranger have adopted a pit bull? You all disgust me. This paper isn’t even worthy of being recycled. Once again people not educating themselves about breeds.
This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read! I don’t know if I should feel sad for the author (for obviously being an elementary school drop out and not being able to use his brain for anything but useless babble) or mad (because he is just using this amazingly poor article to get his infamous name in the world, but will never be given a second thought).
Please get your information from a reliable sourse (not Dogsbite.org)! For those of you who don’t know- the highest number of dog bites are currently being held by the dachshund breed. You have a better chance of being bitten by a lab or a retriever than a pitbull. I work with dogs all day every day and can truthfully say that a dog, regardless of breed, age, and sex is what we humans make them to be! For some reliable and trustworthy websites check out:
http://www.thetruthaboutpitbulls.org/index.php
workingpitbull.com
outofthepits.org
http://www.badrap.org
http://www.pbrc.net
http://www.pitbullunited.com/wallacethepitbull/
http://www.realpitbull.com/
~Audrey
First of All…
ANYONE who sites or quotes Colleen Lynn of Dogsbite.org is a total idiot. Her website is 110% pure propaganda and slanted information. The woman was bitten by a pit bull years ago. GET OVER IT… In the course of rehab’ing and training the fight out of these abused and neglected dogs, I been bitten over a dozen times and I still believe they are the greatest breed known to man.
DO NOT MISCONSTUE an abused and neglected, over bred, ameciated, and fought for profit animal for one this is vicious. Sure, any animal enduring such horror should not be out in public until completely rehab’ed and trained and all of its medical needs are taken care of.
THAT is what some of us spend a life time doing while the rest of society shoves its head in the sand and chokes on EVERYTHING the government and media shoves down their throat.
One of the very most convenient things the government and media and loose cannons (Like Colleen Lynn) forget to mention is… the pit bulls who attack and end up on the 11’0’clock news make up less than 5% of the over all population. They also convenienty fail to mention all the good things and positive experiences people and other dogs have had with pit bulls.
Since they choose to conveniently omit this information… I WILL share it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TY6Km6Eq…
Until complete crazed losers like Colleen Lynn or Kory Nelson (Denver, CO) or KingHuman (Youtube) are ready to step up to a “PUBLIC” debate on the issue of Pit Bulls… I have nothing to say but “Go Back to 1949 McCarthyism where you belong. There is no place in the new milenium for your or your witch hunt.”
Chef David Edelstein and Team Pit-a-Full
Orange, CA
Boy, you pit bull owners are sure like a bunch of, um, well, pit bulls when it comes to defending these critters.
Like owner, like dog.
My American Pit bull is a better and more imaginative writer than Schmader. He clearly also has better manners.
I have often thought about what I would do when I see unleashed dogs around town. This after an unleashed dog (not a pit bull!) came after me on my motorcycle – it was a residential street and I was going slow enough that the dog easily caught up with me – in fact it got ahead of me (faster than I could have anticipated) and caused a crash.
The owner was startled and said “we’ve seen him go after bicyclists before, but never a motorcycle.” Which naturally made me wonder: if they’d seen the dog go after bicyclists, was that not enough to leash it?
Something important to note here: not only is there a leash law in Seattle (and other) city limits, but Washington state law says that dog owners (but not cats!) are liable for damages caused by their pets. All of them. Fully.
So that dog owner ended up paying for (quite expensive) repairs to my motorcycle.
This type of law is not unique to WA, but not all states have it. I do recall in Massachusetts hearing of (urban legend?) case law that established that a driver that deliberately ran down a dog in a town with a leash law + state “liable for all dog damages” law and the dog owner had to pay for damages to the driver’s car.
IANAL, YMMV and all that.
I love dogs.
Please keep yours on a leash in the city, choose not to have a dog in the city, or move to the country if you want to let your dog off leash.
How disappointing to see such a hateful fluff piece. I would have thought that The Stranger would be above mindless fear mongering. Disgusting.
Cujo was a rabid St. Bernard…
@80: Skyway, motherfucker. Roaming savage red-eyed pitbulls and chows several times a year. And how about Ballard? Our friend’s chihuahua was mauled to death by an on-leash pitbull owned by an average citizen.
Thanks, this is good to know. Stray dogs with heads the size of a bear’s are freaking terrifying. Especially when I’m walking my 20 pound dog while pushing my 2 year old in a stroller. I’ve been meaning to get some mace– thanks for the reminder.
At this moment, I have a 90 pound Pit Bull sleeping at my feet. He is about four years old, has never bitten anybody and has never fought with another dog. He’s dog friendly, child friendly and people friendly. Some of the nicest dogs I’ve met have been Pit Bulls.
I’ve been rescuing and rehabing dogs for 50 years and have never been bitten by a Pit Bull. At the present time I have seven dogs in my home: one is a Pit Bull and one is a Boxer/Pit mix. All seven live in harmony and have full run of the house and yard.
I think Mr. Schmader needs to brush his teeth, clean his filthy mouth and find some decent adjectives. His writing is poor and his choice of words shows a lack of intelligence.
Diana
I was attracted to reading the article because of the great illustrations.
The usage of “Pit Bull” in the heading of the title, is, as some have pointed out, obviously to antagonize, but at the same time, inform the dear Stranger readers.
Funny, because I was at a tattoo convention in Philly last weekend and talking to a woman running a anti- BSL (anti-breed law) campaign in defense of PBs. Interesting that she knew to target the “tattooed tough- guy” stereotype as to be very partial to the breed.
Blah, blah- they can be cute and nice and all, but they are BIG and STRONG. A child, much less a grown adult would be mincemeat in seconds if one ever went apeshit. Dachshunds- hardly.
Again- kudos to the excellent drawings!!
I’ve been attacked by owls and shit on by crows in Seattle. Maybe Seattle is a magnet for fucked up animals! Not likely. People want to be safe but there isn’t a minute in your life when you are safe. A dog is a dog is a dog. If you feel threatened you are vulnerable. Simple as that. It would help us all if more of us spent less time identifying threats and more time figuring out what we’re scared of. If you look back persecution is always about fear and control. No dogs are simple and humans aren’t simple. We have many more human predators in Seattle (and everywhere) than animal. Learn how to deal and stop blaming based on category. If you have fear, accept that you will be interesting to someone or something that feels your fear. Or just find it in yourself to think about what is going on around you…and be prepared for anything.
you guys, richard simmons is hilarious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21OH0wlkf…
Pit Bulls were bred for fighting other dogs. They were also bred to be handled in the ring and not bite their handlers. That requires a certain temperament and an aversion to biting people.
Mixing this sort of dog with the American Bulldog and Mastiff which are used for human protection work undoes that characteristic. So does breeding solely for viciousness without regard to being able to handle the dog.
If you have a dog, it’s reasonable to be overly cautious of pits. Plenty of clueless owners insist their dog is ‘just playing’ when it’s clearly showing signs of incipient dog aggression, and for that reason alone should be very well-controlled on leash when out and about. But as for people- I’d be more worried about the German Shepherds and Rottweilers in terms of breed, but mostly stay away from any dog on a chain.
Akbar @ 127 You really might want to reconsider that analogy. Seriously, think about what you just wrote.
QUOTING dogsbite? U R KIDDING ME? This is a BSL Lobby group and tells me the writer knows NOTHING and has “bitten” into their agenda and has NOT done HIS homework or he would KNOW about their agenda.
This small group of fanatics is the modern day “KKK” (Kooky Kanine Klan).
http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2…
There are already 4 different breeds deemed to be “pit bulls” and if one adds another 32 different breeds COMMONLY misidentifed and THEIR Mixes it amounts to nothing more than Canine Genocide.
The average “pit bull” type dog is 45 to 65 lbs how BIG and STRONG can that be? The only professional tests done on bite force put a German Sheppard, a Rotiweiler and a Pit Bull together, after TWO tries the “pit” came in 3rd BOTH times.
Time for the media to get informed before they put pen to paper and do PROPER research BEFORE doing so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbwMs7cjK…
The Stranger has hit a new low. You have NO idea about pit bulls except what some BSL agency told you to write. I help rescue pits that have been hung on trees to encourage violence, left on chains all day and night and those who are bred over and over for some sick person to make some money selling pups that will end up tortured or abused. You might want to hook up with Michael Vick and learn the way he tortured and abused his animals…bet you writers love to read his descriptions of torture and death methods.
Its all about a buck to sell to advertisers…sick people you are, writers. Maybe you should change it to gun-tottin Starbuck drinkers…you are just another idiotic trash magazine trying to sell to your advertisers. I hope your ‘newspaper’ goes down in flames. Right after my pittie chews the crap out of it!