Dennis Dale’s daughter purchased the right for him to post on Slog for a week through our annual holiday auction Strangercrombie, which this year benefited neglected children and the homeless. More info about our charity auction here. The views expressed in Dale’s editorials on Slog are his alone and have not been edited based on ideology.
Monday one of the feral teens involved in the economic-recreational beating death of Seattle’s “Tuba Man” was arrested for something called “unlawful bus conduct.” This is his second arrest after serving a nominal sentence for the killing, committed when he was just fifteen. His first (known) fatality remains a source of considerable pride for the youngster (see below), now 18 and just whiling away the brief period between that and the blessed release that will be his own death or long-term incarceration.
Somewhat reassuringly, the fundamental constant of violent crime—its high correlation to gross stupidity—is here in evidence, suggesting that indecent interval will be brief. His sophistication regarding the criminal justice system hasn’t yet matched his precocity for criminal violence however, and his conspicuous lack of shame regarding the killing (or appreciation for the mercy shown him) suggests that on his block he’s something of a celebrity:
“While he was being searched by Deputy Hill and Deputy Nix, (the teen) bragged to them about being one of the juveniles who killed the Tuba Man,” according to an incident report. “He bragged how his lawyer, John Henry Brown (sic), got him off with only three months for stomping Tuba Man to death and how he would get him off for these charges too,” a deputy wrote in an incident report.
However, John Henry Browne was not the teen’s attorney on the Tuba Man case, in which he received a sentence of 30 to 72 weeks and served all 72. His attorneys were public defenders Daewoo Kim and Hal Palmer, according to the King County Prosecutor’s Office.
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taking that long moment waiting for my husband to come home for dinner i searched the innernets for more about this dd person and up pops his blog.. and this tidbit from tomorrow’s screed…
‘ I don’t want to be melodramatic (okay, maybe I do), but I fear I may have put a loved one in a difficult spot, socially at least, with my provocations here; my imagination runs wild with images of someone identifying her as the daughter of That Awful Man. Leave her out of it please, she didn’t know what was in store–being young she has far better things to do than read my blog. She only knows that I periodically obsess over it and writing, and operates on the naïve assumption that a lifetime without evidence of anything like racial bigotry or misogyny (the desire—most pronounced in men, I believe—to live vicariously through our children, and the shrinking size of the family, has proven a sure cure for that) must mean I’m okay. When she surprised me with this gift, a part of me was terrified.’
i’m gonna go get my highball glasses cleaned for this one.
dirac, I wonder how most Sloggers would react if a woman posted a thread here bashing men because she was angry at a teenager who, along with two other teenage boys, had raped and murdered a woman and then was back on the streets after serving just 18 months (and then had subsequently been arrested for threatening to rape another woman)? My position regarding her would be the same: I’d find her misandry appalling but would find the rape and murder of a woman by a thug kid far more appalling.
Lissa & samktg, you have apparently read other posts by Dennis which have contributed to your opinions. This is the only post of his that I’ve read so I don’t have the context you guys do. samktg, I don’t know anything about a WNBA debacle. During the workweek, my time reading posts here is limited.
Canuck @81: Last year the person who won was connected with a really interesting charity (Noise for the Needy), and so we got to hear about using rock concerts to support charities, and Seattle charities they had worked with in the past year or so. There was even a post about how to volunteer.
So much better than this.
I’m having my second drink now, even if he only posted once. Reading these comments has given me a headache. I was going to drink a Parisian martini (crème de cassis, dry vermouth, gin) but I seem to be out of gin, and vodka, so I used a mix of whiskey and white rum. I can’t decide whether to call it a Carcassone martini or a Montréal martini
Hey Roma, I’m sorry if that comment came across as sarcastic, this thread has been pretty caustic (to say the least) and I suppose I’m now just snapping my teeth at everyone. Anyway, here’s Dale’s post from yesterday: And Now a Little Something for the Ladie…. Dale’s writing style is obtuse, but if you can bear to read through the whole thing, there are some real gems of misogyny and racism.
No problem, samktg (and I think sarcaustic would be a great new word.)
I’ll read that post you linked to later (thanks)…I’m off to watch David Pogue talk about “strong stuff” on PBS.
@102, OK. That’s fine.
I’ve spent far too long on this thread anyway. Here’s to relaxing times away from a screen!
Canadian Nurse, I am sadly lacking in the cocktail department, they always sound delicious, but I tend to just have red wine, or a Guinness, or maybe a gin & tonic (margaritas for girls’ night out, of course, couldn’t bust a “solid gold” dance move without a few of those), but your concoctions sound lovely. Carcasonne is somehow connected to the divine feminine mythology, no? An abbey, or something? Hmmm, too lazy to google. Good night, nurse…heh.
All I’ve really learned by reading these comments that most self-styled Seattle progressives are undereducated, high-anxiety white people with short attention spans who really don’t like big words or anything straying from the accepted orthodoxy. Carry on, valiant warriors against whatever!
Make a point instead of backhanded veiled aspersions and maybe we could start somewhere. So are you the third interloper to flounce? State your point clearly and succintly, and stick around and argue your point in good faith.
I dare you.
@108 allow my introduction. reverend dr dj riz ..a self styled high flighty dim white person since 10:30. valiant, … i feel better already.
@108, this doesn’t have anything to do with big words. It has to do with WHITE POWER. I’ve got a bigger dictionary than this slime, and a better one too. But this isn’t about vocabulary or style.
@102, maybe you should read at least this slime’s posts here on Slog if you haven’t already. Then you should investigate the kind of websites he normally writes for. We’re not talking “right wing” or “conservative” here. We’re talking about explicit white power. The “racial, particular quality” Dennis is bringing here is that brown people aren’t fit for democracy or for America. That’s the subtext. That’s the dog whistle you’re not hearing.
Just because Dennis writes complex English, breathes through his nose, and avoids going out in public in a white sheet doesn’t mean that he’s not an explicit white supremacist. Er, excuse me, white SEPARATIST.
And our Dennis has made it perfectly clear that when he says “white” he means “white men”. Women playing sports is a moral offense; not that they’re inferior or anything, it’s just not what they’re suited for, with those child-bearing hips and tiny craniums and all. No, it’s white men who should be doing the important work, like they used to before the liberals got in three hundred years ago.
When this kind of race-baiting garbage starts backing up out of the drain it’s not right to try to argue with it. It needs to be flushed. This man is our mortal enemy. If you can’t see that, then you need to look more closely. This isn’t Ronald Reagan or George Bush or even Rand Paul; he wants to send us all to the camps.
111: . . .he wants to send us all to the camps.
Like, a fun summer camp for people with Nazi Tourettes? I’d support that.
My comments get deleted, but this junk and more junk like it passes muster?
@Rhettro, it’s not even fucking worth debating you. You are one of the most scurrilous commenters that’s been around these parts lately. Take your jackboots and march back to whatever militia complex you call home.
This sure is a special place for special people. Credit to the moderators, for working to keep it that way.
@113 It doesn’t help that your lame hyperbole and exaggerism doesn’t really prove anything other than the fact that you have no real argument to make.
@111: SEE!(Dj Riz @101) I told you! His poor daughter just thought she was doing something nice for her goofy blog happy dad, and for Strangercrombie, and now she’s got Sloggers howling for her head! Plus she’s getting an awful peek into her father’s psyche.
@113: I doubt your comment got pulled. When that happens there’s a little box that everyone can see indicating that. Kind of like what the the non registered comments look like when they are hidden.
Canuck,
I used to be mostly beer & wine, myself, but then I developed and allergy to wheat and barley. So, a pint of beer will give me hives all over my chest and neck. After a year of drinking wine and cider, I got bored and started experimenting. Now I’m a bartending fiend.
Carcassone is beautiful. I don’t know the mythology, though. I’ll have to look it up.
I keep thinking I’ll reply to the assertion: “Overall, it’s sensible to incline toward one’s own race.” from Rhettro, but I can’t manage to make it through two sentences without cursing. Plus, anyone who can hold belief as self-evident is probably not going to listen to my reasoning.
The thing that I find most annoying about Dennis in this comments thread is that he is trying to peddle this stupid bullshit image of him being some sort of martyr for truth since he is willing to state the unpopular and politically incorrect. I hate this now, I hate this every time someone writes one of those “I hate to say it, but racial profiling in airport screenings would make sense” articles. It’s not that I really even care that these people may or may not be racists. What I care about is this masturbatory self-congratulation for an imagined sacrifice that no one asked them to “make.”
Also, the other night, I was pretty horrified when I saw in my RSS feed reader that Dennis had posted about this guest-blogging gig on The American Conservative’s blog. American Conservative, no! Why associate yourself with this sort of pretentious gasbag?
Also, FWIW, Fnarf–you are being just as annoying as Dennis right now. You are so on-target in so many threads, but then every once in a while, you go off into one of these profanity-laden meanders into incoherence. Take a chill pill and stop calling the guy’s daughter a cunt.
Matt Luby. We all now love you. Please come back. We didn’t realise how good we had it with you until this jackass showed up.
Oh my God. Matt Luby and I are in agreement. And the lion shall lay down with the lamb!
Lissa, this is the slogpocalypse!
@113, No one’s censored you here, you asshat.
Thank god for lesser demons like Luby. At least you can talk to them.
@113 comments don’t get pulled on slog. unless they are spam.
suck the shit out of my ass with a straw.
see?
fnarf i like it when you go off on profanity laden tirades and call people’s daughters cunts. dont listen to the ‘chill pill’ softies.
anyway uh whats all the fuss about?
I think my comment did show up eventually. Weird browser issue. It would have done to say, “You’re not being censored,” but darnit, samktq, you had to be vicious about it and get me all aroused. Really hot under the collar over here. Don’t be shy–gimme some more venom.
And Luby! Behold the predictable hindbrain cheers for the archetypal “lesser demon.” How’s the feed in your kennel, Luby? Is the dog bed warm?
I stand by “cunt”. The poor girl has to learn sometime that there are consequences to hanging out with the (modern, sophisticated version of the) KKK. As if she didn’t know.
@127: “Hanging out with”? You mean, having a father that . . . that gets careflessly, unreflectively caricatured as vicious historical villain, because he . . . thinks race exists.
You’re right. Getting all uppity, and “KKK this” and “Nazi that” is easier. Go with it.
It’s easier because it’s true, cock. We’ve seen the likes of you and your buddy before; at least I have. You are putrid. And the girlie spent good money bringing your poison to us.
While your views are antediluvian, your uniquely passive argumentative style is thoroughly modern. It puts the lie to any claim to the world of ideas, though. You don’t have any ideas; only rhetoric. “Race exists”, you say; well, come on, out with it. Race exists AND? You won’t give us anything to hold onto because you know how repulsive your ideas are in the light, and because you’re actually only whistling and signaling to yourselves. “Race exists” encapsulates a philosophy for you; it’s not meant to communicate.
Why don’t you stop being coy and tell us what you really mean?
comments gets pulled all the fucking time.
keep drinking Dans semen flavored Kook-Aid
129: It’s easier because it’s true, cock. We’ve seen the likes of you and your buddy before; at least I have. You are putrid. And the girlie spent good money bringing your poison to us.
While your views are antediluvian, your uniquely passive argumentative style is thoroughly modern. It puts the lie to any claim to the world of ideas, though. You don’t have any ideas; only rhetoric. “Race exists”, you say; well, come on, out with it. Race exists AND? You won’t give us anything to hold onto because you know how repulsive your ideas are in the light, and because you’re actually only whistling and signaling to yourselves. “Race exists” encapsulates a philosophy for you; it’s not meant to communicate.
Why don’t you stop being coy and tell us what you really mean?
You are SO right. You’re no less forceful, revelatory, and unambiguously right for being my millionth customer. I’m so embarrassed. The burden of proof and explanation is all mine, and I can’t carry it, because I have no ideas. None. What a crushing defeat. You win!
@131: Rephrasing Fnarf in a sarcastic manner does not refute what he wrote. Answer the question. Present your case.
@Lissa, this troll is especially not worth engaging, this one’s antimatter.
@133: Sigh. I know… 🙁
134: Rephrasing Fnarf in a sarcastic manner does not refute what he wrote. Answer the question. Present your case.
There’s no point in refutation or dialogue.
It’s never dialogue when it’s begun in the bigoted, interrogatory liberal manner. I’m not tone deaf. I know when it’s worth responding to, “Explain yourself. What are you implying? What do you mean?”
I started off as a liberal, but I gave non-liberal cases time to unfold, rather than demanding all the satisfying answers explicitly and immediately. I read a lot of Books You’re Not Supposed To Read, met a lot of Evil People. I ended up rather persuaded.
But you’re right–my basic point is, there’s a case for all of this, and you’re not ready for it. That makes me a troll, or whatever. Just sayin’.
Oh, please, “you’re not ready for it”. Uh-huh. “A case for all of this” — a case for WHAT? So you read “The Bell Curve” and what, some Lincoln Rockwell, some David Duke, a couple of sticky back issues of “American Renaissance”, some old White Citizens Council newsletters? What aren’t we ready for? When we’re finally ready, what are we going to get? More Jared Loughner?
@135: Not ready for what? What Forbidden Books? I’m not calling you names so you can’t use that as an excuse. I’m asking you to put your money where your mouth is.
Either you think your view point is worth defending, or you leave us with the sneaking suspicion that even you know, that it is in fact, indefensible.
@135. Yeah, this is entertaining. It’s like you’re pretending to be conservative Ben Kenobi–I can’t know about the Dark Side because we’re not ready to know of it’s awesome power. Not a way to have a discussion, not even a very clever way to troll.
“But oh, you liberals are so good and I am so bad!”
What a dumb formula.
137: Not ready for what? What Forbidden Books? I’m not calling you names so you can’t use that as an excuse.
I’ve noticed. Appreciated, as far as it goes.
I’m asking you to put your money where your mouth is.
Either you think your view point is worth defending, or you leave us with the sneaking suspicion that even you know, that it is in fact, indefensible.
You’re asking me . . . in the context of this thread, its spirit, and internet anonymity. What do I care whether you’re left suspicious? Who are you to me? I’m willing to say Lissa is relatively more neutral and open and less petty and abusive than the rest, but that’s not saying much. And so what anyway? Am I supposed to slave away at comments and explanations, dredge up double-blind studies and weighty quotations, so I can be called repulsive a few more times? You pick your spots. This ain’t mine!
138: It’s like you’re pretending to be conservative Ben Kenobi–I can’t know about the Dark Side because we’re not ready to know of it’s awesome power. Not a way to have a discussion, not even a very clever way to troll.
Uh, no. No awesome power here. And not really an attempt at a discussion, either. But I’ll accept full blame, as far as it goes. Thanks!
Well I give you props for admitting you’re a troll.
@139, so hey, did “David Duke” hit a nerve, or was it “Lincoln Rockwell”? Whatever it was, you’re a monument of butthurt. You should have a doctor look at that. Doctor of Passive-Aggressive Bullshit.
I get it though, liberals are the bigoted ones. We’ve beaten you up in this thread. Right? More of the passive aggressive, “you’re so right” formula?
Also, I’d like to know how “race is real.” Do you mean biologically?
@141, aw, I know! It really was just the whole seamless thing, the way you just completely owned me. I was all like, “Oh, man, David Duke! Oh, man, Lincoln Rockwell! He has me so figured out! There’s nowhere to turn! I totally thought I was going to win a comment thread here for once with my raaaaacism!”
But I didn’t. You did. You totally did.
@142: Wait–is there a formula that will work, that’s better than mine? I MUST HAVE IT!
And yeah, biologically. Like, with traits and behavior and stuff.
@144, No you’re formula works just fine Rhettro! You win. I am bad…you so owned all of us “liberals” with your superior knowledge that you didn’t share because we’re not at your maturational point yet.
Also, OK. At least I know what you mean. Although it’s contested that race has any genetic significance, so I don’t consider that settled at all.
But I guess you know that because you owned all of SLOG by not saying anything.
@12
The only thing Dale left out was this.
After thousands of years of musical evolution, hip hop drags music back to where it started. Tribal chanting with a simple drum line and strong overtones of misogeny, with no musical sophistication or indeed value is what hip hop offers. The sad thing is that this de-evolution of the musical form is celebrated, rather than laughed at. The sad thing is that young men play this garbage at the top of their car stereo capacity, rather than being decently embarrassed by their complete lack of taste in music.
After Beethoven’s 7th Symphony and the harmonious tones of Mozart, after the wonderful improvisatons of jazz and the divergent streams of blues and country music, adherents of this form of ‘music’ reject everything worthwhile in music. It’s as if all of todays young people rejected any form of transportation involving the wheel and elected to walk. It would be possible, sure, but why in the hell would anyone do it?
@146, For fucks sake SB, do you know anything about hip-hop beyond the top 40 you’ve heard blasting from car stereos? Do you know anything about the musical tradition you denigrate? No, you clearly don’t.
@139: I see.
Rhettro, I told you that this wasn’t your house, and that the people here weren’t going to let things slide. Sloggers fight among *themselves* like cats in a sack and if you want to play you have to bring your game. Go big or go home.
We’ll start with a simple question: What Forbidden Books?
@146:Yes, yes, those damn kids and their incomprehensible racket, why won’t they get off your lawn. Jesus SB you are SUCH a stereotype!
@149
Nah. It isn’t incomprehensible. Fuck and bitch and ho and nigger and all the other wonderful words they use of peace and love for their fellow men are perfectly understandable. The perfect example set by the performers is one I would wish I could emulate, too. Wearing exercise clothes out to dinner in fine restaurants and enough gold to ballast my sailboat on my person at all times, while shooting or threatening to shoot my fellow performers sets a fine tone for the industry. I mean, what better could I want for my daughter than to listen to music which refers to her with eminently respectful terms like bitch and whore, and talks about treating her like a sexual toy for some thugs amusement? What better for my son than songs about killing policemen and gang fights and doing drugs and treating women badly? What better musical education than simply eschewing all that music accomplished in 4000 years and going back to tribal campfire chanting?
I don’t actually have a lawn. I hate mowing them, so we bought a place that is mostly forested, with a bit of paved patio area for outdoor use. Nor am I all that old. I just have taste in music, unlike most high school and young college age kids currently. There is a continuum in which my grandfather thought Elvis was disgusting. My father disliked my music. And I dislike my kids music. The difference is that the music I and my dad listened to was actually music. My dad may have disliked it, but a person actually had to have some musical ability to perform it. He could dislike it, but recognize it as taking part in the western musical tradition. Rap is not music. It is hateful violent angry and ill educated ranting in surprisingly ineloquent verbiage. If I want that I’ll go to some anti-war protest, or watch the French on TV in one of their interminable and pointless strikes.
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SPOILER ALERT !
taking that long moment waiting for my husband to come home for dinner i searched the innernets for more about this dd person and up pops his blog.. and this tidbit from tomorrow’s screed…
‘ I don’t want to be melodramatic (okay, maybe I do), but I fear I may have put a loved one in a difficult spot, socially at least, with my provocations here; my imagination runs wild with images of someone identifying her as the daughter of That Awful Man. Leave her out of it please, she didn’t know what was in store–being young she has far better things to do than read my blog. She only knows that I periodically obsess over it and writing, and operates on the naïve assumption that a lifetime without evidence of anything like racial bigotry or misogyny (the desire—most pronounced in men, I believe—to live vicariously through our children, and the shrinking size of the family, has proven a sure cure for that) must mean I’m okay. When she surprised me with this gift, a part of me was terrified.’
i’m gonna go get my highball glasses cleaned for this one.
dirac, I wonder how most Sloggers would react if a woman posted a thread here bashing men because she was angry at a teenager who, along with two other teenage boys, had raped and murdered a woman and then was back on the streets after serving just 18 months (and then had subsequently been arrested for threatening to rape another woman)? My position regarding her would be the same: I’d find her misandry appalling but would find the rape and murder of a woman by a thug kid far more appalling.
Lissa & samktg, you have apparently read other posts by Dennis which have contributed to your opinions. This is the only post of his that I’ve read so I don’t have the context you guys do. samktg, I don’t know anything about a WNBA debacle. During the workweek, my time reading posts here is limited.
Canuck @81: Last year the person who won was connected with a really interesting charity (Noise for the Needy), and so we got to hear about using rock concerts to support charities, and Seattle charities they had worked with in the past year or so. There was even a post about how to volunteer.
So much better than this.
I’m having my second drink now, even if he only posted once. Reading these comments has given me a headache. I was going to drink a Parisian martini (crème de cassis, dry vermouth, gin) but I seem to be out of gin, and vodka, so I used a mix of whiskey and white rum. I can’t decide whether to call it a Carcassone martini or a Montréal martini
Hey Roma, I’m sorry if that comment came across as sarcastic, this thread has been pretty caustic (to say the least) and I suppose I’m now just snapping my teeth at everyone. Anyway, here’s Dale’s post from yesterday: And Now a Little Something for the Ladie…. Dale’s writing style is obtuse, but if you can bear to read through the whole thing, there are some real gems of misogyny and racism.
No problem, samktg (and I think sarcaustic would be a great new word.)
I’ll read that post you linked to later (thanks)…I’m off to watch David Pogue talk about “strong stuff” on PBS.
@102, OK. That’s fine.
I’ve spent far too long on this thread anyway. Here’s to relaxing times away from a screen!
Canadian Nurse, I am sadly lacking in the cocktail department, they always sound delicious, but I tend to just have red wine, or a Guinness, or maybe a gin & tonic (margaritas for girls’ night out, of course, couldn’t bust a “solid gold” dance move without a few of those), but your concoctions sound lovely. Carcasonne is somehow connected to the divine feminine mythology, no? An abbey, or something? Hmmm, too lazy to google. Good night, nurse…heh.
All I’ve really learned by reading these comments that most self-styled Seattle progressives are undereducated, high-anxiety white people with short attention spans who really don’t like big words or anything straying from the accepted orthodoxy. Carry on, valiant warriors against whatever!
Make a point instead of backhanded veiled aspersions and maybe we could start somewhere. So are you the third interloper to flounce? State your point clearly and succintly, and stick around and argue your point in good faith.
I dare you.
@108 allow my introduction. reverend dr dj riz ..a self styled high flighty dim white person since 10:30. valiant, … i feel better already.
@108, this doesn’t have anything to do with big words. It has to do with WHITE POWER. I’ve got a bigger dictionary than this slime, and a better one too. But this isn’t about vocabulary or style.
@102, maybe you should read at least this slime’s posts here on Slog if you haven’t already. Then you should investigate the kind of websites he normally writes for. We’re not talking “right wing” or “conservative” here. We’re talking about explicit white power. The “racial, particular quality” Dennis is bringing here is that brown people aren’t fit for democracy or for America. That’s the subtext. That’s the dog whistle you’re not hearing.
Just because Dennis writes complex English, breathes through his nose, and avoids going out in public in a white sheet doesn’t mean that he’s not an explicit white supremacist. Er, excuse me, white SEPARATIST.
And our Dennis has made it perfectly clear that when he says “white” he means “white men”. Women playing sports is a moral offense; not that they’re inferior or anything, it’s just not what they’re suited for, with those child-bearing hips and tiny craniums and all. No, it’s white men who should be doing the important work, like they used to before the liberals got in three hundred years ago.
When this kind of race-baiting garbage starts backing up out of the drain it’s not right to try to argue with it. It needs to be flushed. This man is our mortal enemy. If you can’t see that, then you need to look more closely. This isn’t Ronald Reagan or George Bush or even Rand Paul; he wants to send us all to the camps.
111: . . .he wants to send us all to the camps.
Like, a fun summer camp for people with Nazi Tourettes? I’d support that.
My comments get deleted, but this junk and more junk like it passes muster?
@Rhettro, it’s not even fucking worth debating you. You are one of the most scurrilous commenters that’s been around these parts lately. Take your jackboots and march back to whatever militia complex you call home.
This sure is a special place for special people. Credit to the moderators, for working to keep it that way.
@113 It doesn’t help that your lame hyperbole and exaggerism doesn’t really prove anything other than the fact that you have no real argument to make.
@111: SEE!(Dj Riz @101) I told you! His poor daughter just thought she was doing something nice for her goofy blog happy dad, and for Strangercrombie, and now she’s got Sloggers howling for her head! Plus she’s getting an awful peek into her father’s psyche.
@113: I doubt your comment got pulled. When that happens there’s a little box that everyone can see indicating that. Kind of like what the the non registered comments look like when they are hidden.
Canuck,
I used to be mostly beer & wine, myself, but then I developed and allergy to wheat and barley. So, a pint of beer will give me hives all over my chest and neck. After a year of drinking wine and cider, I got bored and started experimenting. Now I’m a bartending fiend.
Carcassone is beautiful. I don’t know the mythology, though. I’ll have to look it up.
I keep thinking I’ll reply to the assertion: “Overall, it’s sensible to incline toward one’s own race.” from Rhettro, but I can’t manage to make it through two sentences without cursing. Plus, anyone who can hold belief as self-evident is probably not going to listen to my reasoning.
The thing that I find most annoying about Dennis in this comments thread is that he is trying to peddle this stupid bullshit image of him being some sort of martyr for truth since he is willing to state the unpopular and politically incorrect. I hate this now, I hate this every time someone writes one of those “I hate to say it, but racial profiling in airport screenings would make sense” articles. It’s not that I really even care that these people may or may not be racists. What I care about is this masturbatory self-congratulation for an imagined sacrifice that no one asked them to “make.”
Also, the other night, I was pretty horrified when I saw in my RSS feed reader that Dennis had posted about this guest-blogging gig on The American Conservative’s blog. American Conservative, no! Why associate yourself with this sort of pretentious gasbag?
Also, FWIW, Fnarf–you are being just as annoying as Dennis right now. You are so on-target in so many threads, but then every once in a while, you go off into one of these profanity-laden meanders into incoherence. Take a chill pill and stop calling the guy’s daughter a cunt.
Matt Luby. We all now love you. Please come back. We didn’t realise how good we had it with you until this jackass showed up.
Oh my God. Matt Luby and I are in agreement. And the lion shall lay down with the lamb!
Lissa, this is the slogpocalypse!
@113, No one’s censored you here, you asshat.
Thank god for lesser demons like Luby. At least you can talk to them.
@113 comments don’t get pulled on slog. unless they are spam.
suck the shit out of my ass with a straw.
see?
fnarf i like it when you go off on profanity laden tirades and call people’s daughters cunts. dont listen to the ‘chill pill’ softies.
anyway uh whats all the fuss about?
I think my comment did show up eventually. Weird browser issue. It would have done to say, “You’re not being censored,” but darnit, samktq, you had to be vicious about it and get me all aroused. Really hot under the collar over here. Don’t be shy–gimme some more venom.
And Luby! Behold the predictable hindbrain cheers for the archetypal “lesser demon.” How’s the feed in your kennel, Luby? Is the dog bed warm?
I stand by “cunt”. The poor girl has to learn sometime that there are consequences to hanging out with the (modern, sophisticated version of the) KKK. As if she didn’t know.
@127: “Hanging out with”? You mean, having a father that . . . that gets careflessly, unreflectively caricatured as vicious historical villain, because he . . . thinks race exists.
You’re right. Getting all uppity, and “KKK this” and “Nazi that” is easier. Go with it.
It’s easier because it’s true, cock. We’ve seen the likes of you and your buddy before; at least I have. You are putrid. And the girlie spent good money bringing your poison to us.
While your views are antediluvian, your uniquely passive argumentative style is thoroughly modern. It puts the lie to any claim to the world of ideas, though. You don’t have any ideas; only rhetoric. “Race exists”, you say; well, come on, out with it. Race exists AND? You won’t give us anything to hold onto because you know how repulsive your ideas are in the light, and because you’re actually only whistling and signaling to yourselves. “Race exists” encapsulates a philosophy for you; it’s not meant to communicate.
Why don’t you stop being coy and tell us what you really mean?
comments gets pulled all the fucking time.
keep drinking Dans semen flavored Kook-Aid
129: It’s easier because it’s true, cock. We’ve seen the likes of you and your buddy before; at least I have. You are putrid. And the girlie spent good money bringing your poison to us.
While your views are antediluvian, your uniquely passive argumentative style is thoroughly modern. It puts the lie to any claim to the world of ideas, though. You don’t have any ideas; only rhetoric. “Race exists”, you say; well, come on, out with it. Race exists AND? You won’t give us anything to hold onto because you know how repulsive your ideas are in the light, and because you’re actually only whistling and signaling to yourselves. “Race exists” encapsulates a philosophy for you; it’s not meant to communicate.
Why don’t you stop being coy and tell us what you really mean?
You are SO right. You’re no less forceful, revelatory, and unambiguously right for being my millionth customer. I’m so embarrassed. The burden of proof and explanation is all mine, and I can’t carry it, because I have no ideas. None. What a crushing defeat. You win!
@131: Rephrasing Fnarf in a sarcastic manner does not refute what he wrote. Answer the question. Present your case.
@Lissa, this troll is especially not worth engaging, this one’s antimatter.
@133: Sigh. I know… 🙁
134: Rephrasing Fnarf in a sarcastic manner does not refute what he wrote. Answer the question. Present your case.
There’s no point in refutation or dialogue.
It’s never dialogue when it’s begun in the bigoted, interrogatory liberal manner. I’m not tone deaf. I know when it’s worth responding to, “Explain yourself. What are you implying? What do you mean?”
I started off as a liberal, but I gave non-liberal cases time to unfold, rather than demanding all the satisfying answers explicitly and immediately. I read a lot of Books You’re Not Supposed To Read, met a lot of Evil People. I ended up rather persuaded.
But you’re right–my basic point is, there’s a case for all of this, and you’re not ready for it. That makes me a troll, or whatever. Just sayin’.
Oh, please, “you’re not ready for it”. Uh-huh. “A case for all of this” — a case for WHAT? So you read “The Bell Curve” and what, some Lincoln Rockwell, some David Duke, a couple of sticky back issues of “American Renaissance”, some old White Citizens Council newsletters? What aren’t we ready for? When we’re finally ready, what are we going to get? More Jared Loughner?
@135: Not ready for what? What Forbidden Books? I’m not calling you names so you can’t use that as an excuse. I’m asking you to put your money where your mouth is.
Either you think your view point is worth defending, or you leave us with the sneaking suspicion that even you know, that it is in fact, indefensible.
@135. Yeah, this is entertaining. It’s like you’re pretending to be conservative Ben Kenobi–I can’t know about the Dark Side because we’re not ready to know of it’s awesome power. Not a way to have a discussion, not even a very clever way to troll.
“But oh, you liberals are so good and I am so bad!”
What a dumb formula.
137: Not ready for what? What Forbidden Books? I’m not calling you names so you can’t use that as an excuse.
I’ve noticed. Appreciated, as far as it goes.
I’m asking you to put your money where your mouth is.
Either you think your view point is worth defending, or you leave us with the sneaking suspicion that even you know, that it is in fact, indefensible.
You’re asking me . . . in the context of this thread, its spirit, and internet anonymity. What do I care whether you’re left suspicious? Who are you to me? I’m willing to say Lissa is relatively more neutral and open and less petty and abusive than the rest, but that’s not saying much. And so what anyway? Am I supposed to slave away at comments and explanations, dredge up double-blind studies and weighty quotations, so I can be called repulsive a few more times? You pick your spots. This ain’t mine!
138: It’s like you’re pretending to be conservative Ben Kenobi–I can’t know about the Dark Side because we’re not ready to know of it’s awesome power. Not a way to have a discussion, not even a very clever way to troll.
Uh, no. No awesome power here. And not really an attempt at a discussion, either. But I’ll accept full blame, as far as it goes. Thanks!
Well I give you props for admitting you’re a troll.
@139, so hey, did “David Duke” hit a nerve, or was it “Lincoln Rockwell”? Whatever it was, you’re a monument of butthurt. You should have a doctor look at that. Doctor of Passive-Aggressive Bullshit.
I get it though, liberals are the bigoted ones. We’ve beaten you up in this thread. Right? More of the passive aggressive, “you’re so right” formula?
Also, I’d like to know how “race is real.” Do you mean biologically?
@141, aw, I know! It really was just the whole seamless thing, the way you just completely owned me. I was all like, “Oh, man, David Duke! Oh, man, Lincoln Rockwell! He has me so figured out! There’s nowhere to turn! I totally thought I was going to win a comment thread here for once with my raaaaacism!”
But I didn’t. You did. You totally did.
@142: Wait–is there a formula that will work, that’s better than mine? I MUST HAVE IT!
And yeah, biologically. Like, with traits and behavior and stuff.
@144, No you’re formula works just fine Rhettro! You win. I am bad…you so owned all of us “liberals” with your superior knowledge that you didn’t share because we’re not at your maturational point yet.
Also, OK. At least I know what you mean. Although it’s contested that race has any genetic significance, so I don’t consider that settled at all.
But I guess you know that because you owned all of SLOG by not saying anything.
@12
The only thing Dale left out was this.
After thousands of years of musical evolution, hip hop drags music back to where it started. Tribal chanting with a simple drum line and strong overtones of misogeny, with no musical sophistication or indeed value is what hip hop offers. The sad thing is that this de-evolution of the musical form is celebrated, rather than laughed at. The sad thing is that young men play this garbage at the top of their car stereo capacity, rather than being decently embarrassed by their complete lack of taste in music.
After Beethoven’s 7th Symphony and the harmonious tones of Mozart, after the wonderful improvisatons of jazz and the divergent streams of blues and country music, adherents of this form of ‘music’ reject everything worthwhile in music. It’s as if all of todays young people rejected any form of transportation involving the wheel and elected to walk. It would be possible, sure, but why in the hell would anyone do it?
@146, For fucks sake SB, do you know anything about hip-hop beyond the top 40 you’ve heard blasting from car stereos? Do you know anything about the musical tradition you denigrate? No, you clearly don’t.
@139: I see.
Rhettro, I told you that this wasn’t your house, and that the people here weren’t going to let things slide. Sloggers fight among *themselves* like cats in a sack and if you want to play you have to bring your game. Go big or go home.
We’ll start with a simple question: What Forbidden Books?
@146:Yes, yes, those damn kids and their incomprehensible racket, why won’t they get off your lawn. Jesus SB you are SUCH a stereotype!
@149
Nah. It isn’t incomprehensible. Fuck and bitch and ho and nigger and all the other wonderful words they use of peace and love for their fellow men are perfectly understandable. The perfect example set by the performers is one I would wish I could emulate, too. Wearing exercise clothes out to dinner in fine restaurants and enough gold to ballast my sailboat on my person at all times, while shooting or threatening to shoot my fellow performers sets a fine tone for the industry. I mean, what better could I want for my daughter than to listen to music which refers to her with eminently respectful terms like bitch and whore, and talks about treating her like a sexual toy for some thugs amusement? What better for my son than songs about killing policemen and gang fights and doing drugs and treating women badly? What better musical education than simply eschewing all that music accomplished in 4000 years and going back to tribal campfire chanting?
I don’t actually have a lawn. I hate mowing them, so we bought a place that is mostly forested, with a bit of paved patio area for outdoor use. Nor am I all that old. I just have taste in music, unlike most high school and young college age kids currently. There is a continuum in which my grandfather thought Elvis was disgusting. My father disliked my music. And I dislike my kids music. The difference is that the music I and my dad listened to was actually music. My dad may have disliked it, but a person actually had to have some musical ability to perform it. He could dislike it, but recognize it as taking part in the western musical tradition. Rap is not music. It is hateful violent angry and ill educated ranting in surprisingly ineloquent verbiage. If I want that I’ll go to some anti-war protest, or watch the French on TV in one of their interminable and pointless strikes.