Suspect Arrested for Charlie Kirk Shooting: President Donald Trump announced the arrest on Fox and Friends early this morning. Later, at a news conference in Utah, officials identified the suspect as 22-year-old Tyler Robinson. They’d arrested him late Thursday night in St. George, Utah, about 250 miles from the site of the shooting. “Good morning, ladies and gentlemen,” Utah Governor Spencer Cox began. “We got him.”
What Led to Robinson’s Arrest? Cox says a family member of the suspect contacted a family friend and that family friend contacted a sheriff’s office. The family friend alleged that Robinson had confessed to shooting Kirk, or suggested he’d carried out the assassination. On Fox and Friends, Trump suggested the family friend was a minister involved with law enforcement. Details are scant at the moment.
What Evidence Did Officials Present? Cox said video surveillance allegedly showed Robinson arriving near campus in a Dodge Challenger about four hours before the shooting. Officials say physical evidence and Discord tie him to the shooting.
Was the Ammo Actually Engraved? It was, Cox said. But none related to “transgender ideology” as the Wall Street Journal erroneously reported yesterday. The unfired casings allegedly read: “Hey fascists! Catch!” with five arrows (possibly an input for a videogame), “If you read this, you are gay, LMAO” and “Oh bella caio, bella caio, bella caio caio caio” a possible reference to the Italian anti-fascist song. On the fired casing, a meme: “Notices bulges owo what’s this?”
What Is Known About Tyler Robinson? At this point, very little. This story is developing.
How Are Things in America? A day after Kirk’s assassination, a series of threats to at least seven Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) led to shut downs, lockdowns and cancelled classes. Nobody was hurt. The FBI said it was taking the “hoax threat calls” very seriously. In a statement, the Congressional Black Caucus said the threats were “not only vile–they are a chilling reminder of the relentless racism and extremism that continues to target and terrorize Black communities in this country.”
VP Vance Flew Kirk’s Body to Arizona on Air Force Two: A video posted to social media shows Vance carrying his casket. Republican Congresswoman Nancy Mace, who said Tuesday that Democrats owned this shooting, plans to introduce a resolution allowing his body to lie in the Capitol Rotunda “should the Kirk family wish.” Republican Congresswoman Paula Luna suggested placing a statue of Kirk in the Capitol.
Smooth Move: Two people detained and released after Kirk’s shooting death are still facing threats. “They were never suspects, they were people of interest,” Utah Department of Public Safety Commissioner Beau Mason said. Huh, where’d they get that impression? From his department’s joint statement with the FBI on Wednesday that named them and said they’d been taken in as suspects? Releasing the names of people who have only been detained is dangerous, but the FBI has probably fired everyone who knew that.
Land of the Free: State Department Deputy Secretary Christopher Landau warned “foreigners” on Thursday that they were not welcome if they praised, rationalized, or made light of Charlie Kirk’s assassination. Seems like an attack on their free speech. I’m sure Republicans will leap to their defense.
Home of the Brave: Far-right influencers, violent extremists, and an anonymous website are identifying people for allegedly celebrating or glorifying Kirk’s death. The usual suspects are in play—including LibsofTikTok’s Chaya Raichik, unofficial Trump advisor and influencer Laura Loomer, and former Proud Boy Enrique Tarrio—but the hunt mostly revolves around the website “Charlie’s Murderers.” They’re exposing people’s names, jobs, locations, and social media accounts. Many of the highlighted posts did not glorify or promote violence, WIRED reported.
Pardoned Insurrectionists Calling for Civil War: One extremism expert told Mother Jones Kirk’s killing may “energize the far-right to intensify political violence, from street clashes and armed paramilitarism to calls for racist terror.” That said, a lot of these people are grifters. “These people cry civil war when Cracker Barrel changes their logo,” Jon Lewis, a research fellow at the Program on Extremism at George Washington University, told Mother Jones. He doesn’t think they’re going to swarm DC tomorrow. But the messages could inspire lone actors, experts said.
Political Violence: Authorities said the 16-year-old who shot two students at Evergreen High School in Colorado had been “radicalized” by “some extremist network” they didn’t name. The Denver Post reported that he expressed white supremacist views and showed an “interest in mass shooters in the days before the attack.”
No Drills? Congresswoman Marie Gluesenkamp Perez proposed blocking funding for mandatory school shooter drills unless parents of students under 16 can opt out their kids. In Washington state, schools conduct drills once a month. Data from Everytown for Gun Safety, which pushes for gun control, says there is no data to support they reduce shootings, reduce injury, or prevent death. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommended keeping children out of “high-intensity drills and exercises,” and supports the active consent of students.
On the Run? Bellevue Police are still searching for a man wanted for killing and robbing 54-year-old Jason David Clark. The men were drinking when a fight broke out over the $3,000 he was carrying, police say. Detectives believe the man may have left the state.
Capitol Hill Crisis Center: The King County Council advanced plans for the 24-hour crisis center, part of a broader countywide plan. Nathalie and I wrote about it in May.
Well-Laid Plans: Friday is the last major public hearing about Seattle’s Comprehensive Plan—the blueprint we use to decide how the city will grow over the next 20 years. Council members have introduced more than 100 amendments to the plan, which is about as unhinged as it sounds, but The Urbanist made a helpful cheat sheet for the most important ones. You have two chances to tell City Council how you feel: One that starts at 9:30 a.m. for remote speakers, and one that starts at 3 p.m., for in-person commenters. (You can register here.) If you want to listen to what your neighbors have to say, you can spend your day in City Hall, or watch the live stream on the Seattle Channel. Watch along for angry (but totally not racist) NIMBYs, wonky urbanists, and Sara Nelson resenting every second that the public gets to speak in that hall.
Weather: It’s cloudy, but the sun will come out eventually. Expect a high near 71 today.
Jealous? Brazil’s Supreme Court convicted former President Jair Bolsonaro of plotting a failed coup d’état to overturn the 2022 election, disband courts, hand power over to the military, and assassinate the then president-elect Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva. Bolsonaro could go away for 27 years if his ticker doesn’t give out first (given the 70-year-old’s heart condition, his lawyers are likely to ask for house arrest). Brazil has seen 15 coup attempts since overthrowing its monarchy in 1889. Until now, a plotter had never been convicted.
I see this assassin has expressed anti-fascist sentiments. The bitter irony is that it is difficult to imagine an act one individual could perform which will do more to promote fascism. Either this guy is a cunning master of deception who has singlehandedly managed to bring industrial-grade disinformation tactics outside the cozy confines of cyberspace, or he is a complete idiot who doesn’t realize how counterproductive (to put it charitably) his heinous act was.
Considering Hanlon’s razor, you have to assume it’s the latter. Hanlon’s razor: “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”
Following up my comment @1 regarding the “cunning master of deception” scenario. The term that comes to mind is false-flag operation. Think the Reichstag fire or the 1999 Russian apartment bombings that gave Putin the excuse to launch the war in Chechnya and begin his consolidation of power. I can’t think of any assassinations in history which were proved to be false-flag operations. What am I missing?
Nothing codes “radical left” more than a sharpshooter in a Dodge Challenger.
No matter the shooter’s ideology, nothing is more counterproductive and dangerous than the scapegoating torrent of demagoguery being vomited up by Trump and the far right agitators who are casting all “leftists” as responsible for this murder. They are foaming at the mouth to enact even more extremist policies by using Kirk’s lone wolf assassin as an excuse.
People who want common sense gun control do not want gun violence.
@3 FTW!
and nothing signals the End Times like the Mariners tied for 1st place in mid-September!
The 2nd amendment has necessary limits. You cannot make pipe bombs and poison gas as arms. Every freedom without regulation and responsibility is the state of nature and chaos. All freedoms must be continuously perfected for the many by ensuring that those who are free exercise their liberties with mutual respect for their fellow human being. Unlimited and unregulated sale of firearms is what gets weapons in the hands of insane vigilantes, school shooters, gangs, children, and cartels. Freedom is not free, with great power comes great responsibility. Negligence and stupidity are not freedom.
Bella Ciao – ORIGINALE
https://youtu.be/4CI3lhyNKfo
[waits for this post to be updated to explain groypers and helldivers 2]
@7. A great hymn of those heroes who resisted fascism under Mussolini and supported our WW2 vets. A great deal of Americans and Canadians are buried there who fought against the fascists. I prefer E io ero Sandokan.
Despite shell casings with engravings, more telling and ironic is that he used a WW2 Mauser Nazi infantry rifle. What conclusions can we jump to from that?
@9 – the most likely conclusion is that they are quality rifles and thousands of them were imported into the USA after WW2.
Ever driven or rode in a Volkswagen?
https://www.patriciarobertsmiller.com/2025/09/12/seeds-over-a-wall/
A lot of people are saying that the murder of Kirk was a false flag. They are also saying that the Reichstag fire was a false flag.
That way of talking about Kirk’s murder helps pro-Trump fascism.
What matters is not whether Kirk’s murder or the Reichstag fire were false flags.
What matters is that pro-Trump figures are treating the murder of Kirk differently from how they treated the murder of Melissa Hortman. They are saying that only the murder of in-group political figures matter. They’re fine with murders of out-group political figures.
They are admitting that they do not believe that they should treat others as they would have done unto them.
Don’t focus on the question of false flag. Focus on the open authoritarianism and rejection of Jesus in their treatment of different kinds of political murder.
If you have Trump supporters in your SM world, point that out to them at every opportunity.
@10. Why would the shell casings matter but the rifle be happenstance for a planned assassination?
@11 -“rejection of Jesus”
What if they don’t believe in Christianity?
Meanwhile in Seattle, we had a shooting, we know who killed by that shooting, and we decided it wasn’t murder.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/seattle-killing-of-qanon-follower-was-self-defense-prosecutor-finds/
@12 – it was most likely his dad’s rifle that he used without permission.
You never answered if you have ever driven or rode in a Volkswagen
@13. Conjecture is not evidence, and “most likely” is subjective. You need to level up your critical thinking.
@6, See @14, for the proper exercise of responsibility that goes with the 2A right.
@16 – lol
Have you ever used an IBM computer?
Have you ever worn or even admired any articles of Hugo Boss clothing?
The last 5-10 years in this country have been extremely destabilizing and that is being felt the hardest by young people, so they’re likely to be radicalized in ways that are inscrutable to those of us who grew up when a middle class lifestyle was attainable with a little hard work. Plus there is so much “content” now, often with messaging not anchored in reality. If you’re dealing with someone who is capable of murder you’re already well outside mainstream thinking so it’s unlikely his motives will make sense without hearing it directly from his mouth.
Was there obvious anti fascist stuff on the casings? Sure. There are also pics of him dressed as Pepe the Frog for Halloween, dressed in a trump costume for halloween (with his little brother dressed as a sniper or something next to him) and screenshots of his donations to Trump and there were also anti-gay meme quotes on one of the casings and a gay joke on the other one…. he was raised by 2 conservatives and trained to shoot from a very early age. Like… 2+2=4. This isn’t rocket surgery.
He’s probably a little incel groyper based on the meme culture and video game stuff.
@15 There are pics of him all over his facebook of him as a very small child holding assault weapons… if you don’t think he had his own guns by the time he was 22 you’re even more stupid than I thought.
21: Nah, he looks too cute to be an incel.
@19. Lol no.
But you are arguing a straw man for a double standard. If people are concluding Robinson was a leftist from the shell casings, but not scrutinizing the choice of rifle, then neither follows.
He was literally affiliated with the Salt Lake chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA).
Are you now, or have you ever been, affiliated with the Democratic Socialists of America?
DSA, no. I am a Social Democrat. There’s a difference.
@25. Have you ever eaten roti?
No evidence he was affiliated with the dsa. Also he is not related to a police officer. We’ve been through this enough times by now that people should know to be wary of information coming out at this early stage.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2025/09/12/suspect-arrested-charlie-kirk-2/
@27 – all food is racist
@28, As a moral/information relativist, you know there is no such thing as factual or truthful information. The facts and truth of a thing are solely at the discretion of the recipient.
https://youtu.be/sDEL4Ty950Q
Office Space: Jump to Conclusions Mat
Trying to use the fact that someone is opposed to nazis as proof that they aren’t MAGA/conservative is pretty telling in itself.
@20. Barth has very recently and proudly declared not only his understanding but approval of federal agents being assassinated by private citizens, under the rubric that we are living under a fascist regime.
He routinely demonizes, often in dehumanizing terms, public figures whom he disdains.
He levels personal vitriol, often with violent words, at posters on a near daily basis.
He now expresses joy in a world without Mr. Kirk.
And he, like many posters here, is in firm conviction that his hands are clean when it comes to our anomie and the dire consequences it brings.
TS has been, for some time, a small reflecting pond that both attracts and reflects back the most odious impulses. That neither TS nor its forum denizens can muster the decency to condemn politically motivated violence without qualification is surely evidence that in fact, it is enjoyed and encouraged, often publicly.
Is it galvanizing among you to publicly announce your delight at an assassination? Have you already raised a glass to toast the occasion among friends, as I have personally witnessed on several occasions upon news of the demise of a right-wing figure, often in some busy tony eatery? What do you think this violent act is going to augur for your cause, for your community, for those you claim to care about?
If you are youngish and in understandable confusion and anxiety about the poor state of our nation right now, the worst possible thing you could do is imbibe in the Weimar streetfighter mode espoused by TS and the “Barths” of this forum. You would do yourself and the nation a favor by instead sitting at your screen and watching William F Buckley interview Huey Newton on Firing Line in 1973 (available on Youtube). Mr. Newton had just published his book “Revolutionary Suicide” and led the Panther movement away from pursuing violent revolution. He sat and had a civil conversation with an ideological nemesis. The nation had become exhausted from political violence and this small encounter marked a kind of slow moving Peace of Westphalia, a kind of inheritance now lost, and one that will not be reclaimed from publications such as this.
Conservatives love threatening civil war because they’re tough guys with all the guns but whenever there’s a shooting they’re like obviously it’s a blue haired transgender communist who voted for kamala, only to pivot seamlessly to praying for his eternal soul when they find out he’s not. No one will apologize for getting it wrong and no one will learn anything from this experience.
33, right on cue one of the guys who was making vague threats of what’s to come, accusing people of delighting in kirk’s death when we’ve all expressed remorse even though we disagreed with him. You guys never disappoint.
Don’t worry baby kossack, barth can’t hurt you.
@33 Give it a rest. The only person involved in any of this that ever celebrated shootings is Charlie Kirk. He planted his flag on that hill and then dead on it. None of us are happy he died. But you can’t look at the pictures of this kid holding a literal rocket launcher on facebook and his mom holding a machine gun and him posing as Pepe the Frog and not connect the dots here. People like Charlie Kirk literally create people like Tyler. One of them finally just killed someone you like this time instead of a bunch of random little kids you somehow don’t give two shits about and now you’re mad about it. Good. We’ve been mad about it for FUCKING YEARS.
I don’t even know what federal agents thingy he’s talking about. These people live on another planet.
Rep. Nancy Moss Wednesday when we didn’t know who the shooter was: “It sounds like the shooter was a tranny or pro-tranny. It’s out of control. Enough is enough. Time to bring back the death penalty.
Rep. Nancy Moss today now that we know he’s a cis white man: We know Charlie Kirk would want us to pray for such an evil, and lost individual like Tyler Robinson to find Jesus Christ. We will try to do the same.
…uh yeah.
@39 exactly! We’ve gone from civil war to prayer circles even though charlie kirk is just as dead as he was yesterday
@4,
Indeed. I remember Obama addressing the nation following politically motivated killings, and the emotional, inspiring and non-partisan speeches he gave calling for compassion. He wouldn’t even request that we unite or anything so dismissably naïve, but rather to just try to calm down and demonstrate a little compassionate empathy for the victims and those suffering. Such a speech from POTUS right now would go a long way toward bringing some much needed calm to us all, regardless of ideology. Alas.
Air Force One = pee tapes.
Air Force Two = shit takes.
41: Donald did say on Fox and Friends this morning that he reached out to Erika Kirk. So that’s nice.
@43. Lol. Man, you are really a piece of work with your trolling.
All this righteous indignation about insufficient concern about Kirk is pretty rich from the party that mocked the assault on Paul Pelosi.
‘How are you holding up over the last three and a half days?” asked one reporter, who’d also wished him condolences for Kirk.
‘“I think very good,” Trump replied. “And by the way, right there you see all the trucks; they just started construction of the new ballroom for the White House. Which is something they’ve been trying to get as you know for about 150 years, and it’s gonna be a beauty, it’ll be an absolutely magnificent structure.
‘“And I just see all the trucks, they just started, so it’ll get done uh very nicely and it’ll be one of the best anywhere in the world, actually,” the president went on.’
He does not give one single flying fuck about a guy who dedicated his life to trump’s reelection now that his death is of no use to him politically. Though to be fair, he may simply be suffering from dementia, or the lingering effects of the stroke that melted half his face (Allegedly!).
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/won-t-believe-trump-just-165329182.html
@45 The same party where Laura Loomer joked about feeding the entire population of Latinos in our country to alligators and they all made merchandise about it? No way!
Also, it turns out the “anti fascist song” that he wrote on the casing is also in a video game called Hearts of Iron. 4.. where you get to play as nazis if you want to…
Nothing says “American democracy in fee fall” like the martyrdom of an avowed racist and homophobe, who claimed that dead children were simply the price one pays for the “freedom” of the second amendment (ironic, no?). White Christian nationalism, extreme xenophobia. He said some Christian-y things, but the sure as fuck didn’t live his life that way. He should not have been killed, I don’t wish that on anyone, but he sure as fuck shouldn’t be canonized by Christians. He was racist garbage, not the second coming of Jeebus.
49: “who claimed that dead children were simply the price one pays for the “freedom” of the second amendment (ironic, no?). “
No, Kirk made a logical philosophical observation that the 2nd Amendment comes at a cost of some lives because it’s not a complete ban on guns – that nasty lefties extrapolated into sinister propaganda that has you fooled.
Charlie Kirk, the conservative founder and president of Turning Point USA, said during an organizational event on Wednesday that gun deaths in exchange for the preservation of Second Amendment rights is part of America’s reality.
Kirk’s comments come about one week after three children and three adults were killed at the Christian Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee.
…
“You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won’t have a single gun death,” Kirk said at a Turning Point USA Faith event on Wednesday, as reported by Media Matters for America. “That is nonsense. It’s drivel. But I am—I think it’s worth it.
“I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.”
@50, We’re all reading his own words and arriving at our own interpretation without your help so you can kindly shove it up your ass at any time.
If that’s how you choose to take it I’m not surprised because it explains so much about you that we already know, but it’s perfectly reasonable to hear this statement knowing it was in response to a shooting that took the lives 6 people including 3 kids and assume they were at the front of his mind when he said it. Even if they weren’t, it’s not like kids aren’t routinely murdered by people exercising the same constitutional rights he was so grateful for.
https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113
51: You get vulgar when cornered. Of course you would point to the most leftist rag to support your talking point.
You always pout about dirty words when you’ve got nothing left to give but accusing newsweek of being a leftist rag in 2025 is a genuine lol. Unless you want to argue this quote is made up the political leaning of the rag that published it is immaterial anyway. Just give it up already.
53: We simply disagree with what Charlie Kirk said. Be an adult and accept that you don’t always get your way.
I already told you to believe whatever you want. I’ve been asking you to extend the same grace to the rest of us.
In that clip in the Newsweek article, Charlie makes the accurate comparison to automobile deaths as the price of liberty to own a car, is analogous to the 2nd amendment to owning a gun.
If the logic is brutal, that’s not the fault of the logic.
The logic isn’t brutal, it’s fucking idiotic. I can’t drive my gun to work or the hospital because it’s only use is killing, maiming, or terrorizing living things. We also have much more rigid safety regulations for cars and their ownership and operation than guns. I would ask you to try again but i don’t care what you think and will not be moved by anything else you have to say about it. Really, you can let it go at any time.
@33: I’m sorry you didn’t get your Sulla moment honey. This particular act of political violence wasn’t perpetrated by the kind of person you had hoped, and I know that’s disappointing, but you need to calm down now.
@56: Cooli you and Nancy Mace should be on a professional Twister team, I swear!
57: You drive a car by being a responsible driver, same with guns. Both carry an inherent danger to the owner and to others, but as responsible Americans we accept our responsibilities without the needs for bans on either.
53, all that can be true and a reasonable person can also believe charlie kirk thought dead kids are a prudent deal in exchange for people like his own murderer having unrestricted access to guns because he said as much in the immediate aftermath of a school shooting
@59 i mean
@50 you complete dolt, you just restated what I said (agreeing with it) then said I was “fooled” — pretty rich.
Also, @56, guns = cars is the stupidest shit the right has come up with, but OK: license, registration, insurance, inability to get a license if you don’t pass the test or are judged incapable. I mean, sure, guns = cars is the way to go.
“Judge not, lest ye be judged” is a directive from Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 7:1) that warns against making hypocritical or condemning judgments of others, emphasizing that the same standard of judgment used on others will be applied to oneself.
Antifa Mormon was not on my bingo card
I’ve known a few blue haired transgender communists and they have all been lovely people.
@57,
There is no regulation for owning a car. Anyone with money can buy one.
There are regulations (with hand slaps for violations) for operating one on a public roadway.
You can have a record of DUI, and even DUI manslaughter, and legally buy a car. There are no background or even legally required license checks.
Firearms create equality. The 125 pound, 80 year old female has the option of not facing a 25 year old, 200 pound linebacker that has broken into her home in a physical mismatch. She can face him on equal terms with a firearm. In those grave extremes, firearms give the victim an equal chance.
Laws make the use of deadly force lawful in such extremes and firearms put the victim on equal fighting terms with the victimizer.
They also give citizens a fighting chance against those that would involuntarily subjugate them. We have the most powerful military in the world. How did that work out for us when we tried to involuntarily remake Afghan society in our image? Don’t get me wrong, I wish the Taliban didn’t exist to stone women to death. My point is that armed Afghans got agency they would not have had, first with the Soviets, and then with us. They had no agency against being dictated to absent access to guns.
This society has agency against a Trump (or Progressive) dictatorship, to use or not use, only to the extent it is armed.
The biggest use of firearms? Recreational shooting. 8 billion rounds a year are puchased by civilians. Less than 25k wind up in humans. We sell 13 million autos a year and a similar number of humans are mained by only 13 million of those 4,000 pound projectiles. So which is more benign as a percentage of objects purchased?
I have three of seven households across my alley that don’t own a car. Its not a need/want of theirs. I don’t judge the 4 of 7 that choose a car (and a $25,000 parking space) with the risk of their indulging that need/want with that projectile.. Likewise with with those of them that choose a firearm. I practice the tolernace for others choices that you only preach.
@54: In multiple threads now, you’ve stated your unsupported opinion of what Charlie Kirk said, as if your unsupported opinion had the status of an actual fact. Also in multiple threads now, one of us liberal types has quoted, with citation — at length, and in context — what Charlie Kirk actually said. Do you wonder why you can’t simply quote what he said, when we can do so as easily as we do?
@33: Continuing the theme of not quoting anyone, you made numerous assertions about what Barth wrote, without once quoting even one single word that Barth has actually written. Do you wonder why you provided no quote, no URL, no support of any kind whatsoever for your opinions?
You guys can get back to us with actual quotes — backed up by URLs, of course — any time you like. Until then, we’ll continue to judge your opinions as unfounded, and treat them accordingly.
@68,
Here’s a thing Kirk said that I somehow haven’t seen widely reported amidst everything.
“MLK was awful. He’s not a good person.”
https://baptistnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-in-his-own-words/
MLK!?!
In deference to Phoebe, I’ll reiterate that Kirk didn’t deserve to die. But will also note that he was a total and complete piece of human shit while alive. And anyone here defending him may want to grab a roll of toilet paper and take a look in the mirror.
@50: “…Kirk made a logical philosophical observation that the 2nd Amendment comes at a cost of some lives because it’s not a complete ban on guns…”
Do you actually believe that Kirk’s violent death via gunshot helps to protect your liberty? A simple ‘yes,’ or ‘no,’ will suffice. Do tell.
68: I did reference the exact quote the other day:
“It’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment.”
Which simply means:
Unless there’s a total gun man, there will be gun deaths every year – but it’s worth it. Hell yes it’s worth it. Don’t you agree?
70: No more than a fatal automobile accident helps protects my liberty to drive a car.
biped, have you thought about like just going away? Nobody wants you here
@71: “Unless there’s a total gun man, there will be gun deaths every year…”
Even with a total gun ban, there would still be gun deaths every year. There would just be far, far fewer of them. Charlie Kirk might still be alive. (As might an entire school’s worth of children.)
“Hell yes it’s worth it. Don’t you agree?”
I completely reject every link in the chain of reasoning you and Kirk proclaimed. The Second Amendment clearly protects the right of a “free state” to resist any attempt at disarmament by the newly-formed Federal government. It is not an individual citizen’s right, and never was. Two hundred years of American jurisprudence on this point were overturned by a renegade piece of judicial activism, paid for by the gun-makers’ lobby. Color me utterly unimpressed.
If the federal government actually becomes tyrannical, no number of gunfondlers could possibly do anything about it, no matter how enthusiastically each one wanked his hard ‘piece.’ Said government already has everything from rocket-delivered thermonuclear bombs, to flying killer robots. Holed up in your bunker? They’ve got 2,000# busters. Hiding in the trees? An over-the-horzion missile sets the entire forest ablaze. Flee across the countryside? Drones locate and shoot you, whilst you’re looking the other way. The way to prevent federal tyranny is to NOT elect an autocrat. Too bad you recently got that one wrong, as well.
@72: I asked for one word. As you started with ‘No,” I’ll take that as your answer. So he died for no reason. Therefore, how are any of the many many many other gun deaths helping us, exactly?
74: So weird to go off on a tangent on the real world practicalities over a philosophical argument, much less wanting me to quantify gun deaths to answer some contorted abstract question. Sorry, but I don’t have an answer for you.
@71 I definitely think Charlie Kirk’s death was worth preserving the 2nd Amendment, in fact we should celebrate his death as the blood of that proud patriot refreshed the tree of liberty. If you don’t celebrate Charlie Kirk getting sniped in the neck you must hate America and our freedoms.
@73 – Don’t care, too bad, so sad.
The idea that this kid was a “Socialist” is so incredibly stupid that you really have to wonder about the intellectual capacity of someone who would believe it.
And that QAnon nut who was killed the process servers got exactly what she deserved. She had a right to bear arms, but so did the guy who shot her. In any event, had she survived she would just be a drain on society.
Tyler Robinson apparently was living with a male to female transgender person. Which is fine. So that may have been his motivation to take the life of Charlie Kirk.
https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner
@67 RCW 46.12.755 (a prohibition on can ownership) would like to remind everyone that NotMyopic is wrong.
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fer fucks sakes
78: Robinson was a gun-enthusiast leftist with a trans girlfriend. The talk that he was a Nick Fuentes inspired assassin is petering out. Pretty unlikely that was to the right of Charlie Kirk.
The Stranger actually banned me a while back, when I told them, with the absolute certainty of common sense, that the perps would be black. Oh no, I was right again. Check your White Privilege, naive goofy Seattle progs. Maybe one of these guys can “dismantle” it for you, and “Abolish” your “Whiteness” while they are at it:
“Inside the violent Seattle burglary spree targeting celebrities from Macklemore to Ichiro”
https://komonews.com/news/local/macklemore-seattle-burglary-sports-legends-ichiro-mariners-julio-seahawks-true-crime-court-documents-public-safety-police-celebrity-news#
@80 – It’s illegal to own cans now? Wow Washington State is really going overboard! Does this apply to all cans, or just aluminum cans?
Read it and weep – if you dispute the truth of this, and imagine that you have better information than the FBI, or you think it is all a lie because it’s a link to Fox News, then I suggest you contact the FBI and tell them everything you know, instead of complaining to me about it:
“Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin lived with transgender partner who is now cooperating with FBI: Officials”
“Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin lived with his transgender partner, senior-level FBI officials told Fox News Digital.
Bureau officials confirmed that Tyler Robinson, 22, was in a “romantic relationship” with the unnamed person, who is a male transitioning to a female, and that they shared an apartment in Saint George, Utah. Those FBI officials told Fox News Digital that Robinson’s partner is fully cooperating with the FBI’s investigation.”
“Meanwhile, the rifle that the FBI believes was used to kill Kirk contained ammunition inscribed with anti-fascist messaging.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/charlie-kirks-assassin-lived-transgender-partner-who-now-cooperating-fbi-sources
86: I was hoping that was not the case because the trans community is already dealing with enough blowback and piling on doesn’t help anyone.
@85~ALL
Muxmobile
Cyberpanzer
Swastikartruks
are ILLEGAL now in
warshington the state:
we’ve
had More
Than Enough
Carnage allfuckingready.
@84 so whotf
Were you before
your Transgression
placed you in Purgatory?
@88 – DID NOT READ. I know it was directed at me though LOL
Multiple law enforcement sources have confirmed that Robinson lived with a transgender partner—a biological male in the process of transitioning to female—in a shared apartment in Saint George, Utah. The partner, described as being in a romantic relationship with Robinson, has been “extremely cooperative” and “fully cooperating” with the FBI’s investigation. This cooperation includes providing access to text messages and other communications between Robinson and the partner, which helped investigators confirm Robinson’s identity as the shooter and solidify the timeline of events.
Robinson’s father, a former sheriff’s deputy and registered Republican, tipped off authorities after recognizing his son from surveillance footage released by FBI Director Kash Patel. Despite the family’s conservative background, friends and investigators describe Robinson as the “only leftist” in his circle, with alleged ties to Antifa groups and a shift toward radical left ideology that sparked family arguments, including over Kirk’s politics. Utah Governor Spencer Cox described Robinson as “deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology.”
so his
Heroes
were Stalin
Lenin and Marx?
or more
the Centrist
Corporate Dem type?
you
whackos
and your fuck-
ing Superlatives
just
Dying
to have
your Martyrs
and Worship them too
oh & start
Hitlering the
Fuckoutta the USofA
“I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.”
I tend to agree with this. Freedom is messy. Many people think that personal freedoms (of ALL kinds, not just gun ownership) always result in nice, tidy outcomes where everyone is happy. No. The more freedom and choice people have, the greater the odds of choosing wrong. I truly do not understand why personal freedom = everyone will make the right choice is the prevailing view.
Humans are animals with large brains, flawed, and often wrong. Giving us maximum freedom creates mild chaos, not order. We can’t have it all.
30 round magazines
weapons of War flooding
our streets coppers with fucking Tanks
all ‘cuz of one
little comma
unregulated
Mayhem
94: My goodness. Maybe lighting your hair(s) on fire will help.
Charlie Kirk was not-anti gay!
Charlie Kirk takes down an anti-gay extremest:
https://x.com/i/status/1966614434324816332
@95
not to
mention
the fucking
Flamethrowers
thnx for the Reminder!
All ‘cuz of one
Indecent lit-
tle comma.
speaking of mayhem:
Trump Promotes A “Charlie Kirk Act” To Establish A Ministry Of Truth
President Trump’s Truth Social account posted a viral video from TikTok on Saturday in which a Trump voter named Elly May blamed the assassination of Republican political operative Charlie Kirk on the press, urging the president to push for legislation which would make “news corporations accountable for lying to the American people and spreading propaganda instead of truth.
“This amended act will hold media outlets, radio stations, educators, and content creators accountable for the false narratives and erroneous information they spread deliberately or irresponsibly,” the petition reads, proposing heavy fines for those deemed to be in violation.
The other issue is of course that giving the government the authority to penalize propaganda and lies means giving the government the authority to determine what constitutes propaganda and lies. They could decide it’s a lie to say Israel is committing genocide in Gaza [@wormmy!], for example, or that it’s propaganda to say the US shouldn’t be waging a proxy war in Ukraine.
The “Charlie Kirk Act” is being pushed in the name of fighting propaganda, but it would actually be giving the US government unprecedented authority over what Americans are permitted to say on any platform.
–by Caitlin Johnstone, September 14, 2025
oodles:
https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/trump-promotes-a-charlie-kirk-act
with
Rupert
‘Uncle Snoopy’
Mudroach’s FOX ‘news’?
as the Ministry of Truth’s Ideal Role Model
what the fuck
could go Wrong?
adios, @tS!
buh-Bye, New Yorker!
Sayonara, Pod Save America!
see Y’all
@The Gulag!
or the
Poorhouse.*
hmmm. one
and the Same
in Trumpftopia.
*if you don’t Work
you Don’t
Eat.
Nobody reads your dumb shit kristofartian
LOL
@71: “…but it’s worth it. Hell yes it’s worth it. Don’t you agree?”
Please tell us all about freedoms we have, specifically freedoms the British and Japanese lack.
While you’re busily not doing that, I’ll note our country doesn’t have a gun problem. Allowing gun-fetishists to set our gun policy is our problem. The NRA exists to help gun manufacturers sell more guns. Full stop. We once had an ideology which placed top priority on selling more cars. When we noticed the carnage (ha!) this created, we changed our ideology, requiring safety first in motor vehicles, their installed equipment, and their roadways. Americans now travel more places in more cars than ever, with lower rates of injury and fatality; regulations do not automatically decrease freedom. If we had 1/10th the regulations on firearms we do on motor vehicles, we could still have all the guns we want, and yet eliminate most shootings.
Warning: We Will Be Decimated—Literally—If We Stay Quiet
They’ve branded us as terrorists. 75 years of data reveals the real threat.
“We need
full military occupation
of these cities until the crime desists. Period.”
—Charlie Kirk, August 2025
Charlie Kirk died—every violent death being a tragedy—preaching the gospel of occupation—demanding the U.S. military invade America’s own cities under the false pretense of a crime wave that does not exist . . .
His vision for this country
was armed force unleash-
ed against fellow citizens.
And here is the bitter irony:
the very ideology that has bled this country dry
for generations is now being canonized through Kirk’s death.
Charlie Kirk himself cheered when American forces summarily executed foreigners in international waters. He demanded that the U.S. military—a force trained not to police but to destroy—invade and occupy America’s own blue cities under the false pretense of a crime wave that does not exist.
He called it a “prudent deal” and “rational”
that Americans should be sacrificed year
after year at the altar of the Second
Amendment. His words main-
streamed the radicalization
that has already cost ten
times more American
lives than anything
the left has
ever done.
And now, with his assassination, that radicalization
is being mainstreamed all over again. Not just
by online influencers. Not just by Fox News.
But by the President of the
United States and his closest allies,
who have chosen to turn Kirk into a martyr and
use his death as a weapon to brand half the country as terrorists.
If we allow them to succeed, if we let the lie harden into truth, then we are not just watching history—we are volunteering to become another entry in the graphs* above.
*This graph tracks every act of U.S.-bred terrorism
over the last seventy-five years where the
perpetrators’ radicalization took
place here in America.
In all but one, every decade tells
the same story: right-wing
extremism dominates.
The only way to stop that outcome is to speak now, loudly and relentlessly.
Silence is complicity.
Silence is surrender. And in the
face of dehumanization, silence is suicide.
The truth is not on their side.
But it will only matter if we
shout it louder than
their lies.
–Lukium, Sept 14, 2025
https://americanmanifesto.news/p/warning-we-will-be-decimated-if-we-stays-quiet
@101
ok lola
101: Actually we do. He’s a Slog treasure. His linguistic tapestry is quickly scrollable if you’re not in the mood to parse his radical boneheaded bloviating. Slog was kinda boring during his absence.
the Counter says ‘104’
but pathetic little 101’s
the only one’s showing.
@105: Sloppy Javascript past 100. To see comments past 100, put 110 or later comment number at the end of the URL. The “?Page=2” functionality doesn’t work.
https://www.thestranger.com/slog-am/2025/09/12/80238503/slog-am-suspected-assassin-in-custody-seven-hbcus-closed-after-threats-last-major-hearing-on-seattles-comp-plan/comments/110
@102: See @93 who reflects what I was trying to say only much better.
now it says ‘107’
but still only the
pathetic Bipee’s
pops up Sad af
@106 — Thnx!
Who’s to say that the shooter couldn’t be both a far right Nazi type and have a trans partner? That wouldn’t fit neatly into anyone’s narrative, but what does?
@110: That would make you feel better about the situation, amirite?
Comments seem to be being funky, maybe has to do w/ being @ 100+
Bi-pedo @101…
I do read Kristo’s posts.
When I see your posts, all I can think is “Christ, what a asshole”.
@110 Catalina… Totally agree. Examples off the top of my head: Caitlen Jenner, and Milo Yappa Dappa Wang Dang Doodle, or whatever the fuck his name is.
@Coolie… slow your roll. You ain’t near as good at this trolling shit as you think you are. Please stop before you embarrass yourself furthur.
Bonus points if you get that joke.
@113: Eat dirt.
71 That Kirk quote is a response to 3 children being killed. You’re missing the context.
Also, it turns out that the kid is a far right republican troll…. so… no wonder you and the rest of the republicans on here are defending him. He’s you.
@90 His dad didnt end up being a cop and his roommate didnt end up being trans and he went to a trade school in Utah. He’s a groyper. If you don’t know what that is… i’m sure Coolidge can tell you all about it.
You killed one of your own. Congrats.
@116: Incorrect. Tyler Robinson’s roommate is male to female transgender person.
@116: Wishful thinking does not make you correct.
@113 I think all the trans roommate stuff has been withdrawn at this point but even if it hasn’t been… having a SECRET trans boyfriend is far more right wing than left. We aren’t the ones that crash Grindr whenever we have a convention.
Lol you guys have been stroking your meat all weekend to a story that still has not been confirmed and is only being reported by outlets who are mouthpieces for this administration, with no updates since Saturday. Even if true, the alleged trans roommate has been cooperating and is not implicated so not even sure what you’re so fired up about.
Here’s a little media literacy tip for you. If a story is attributed to an unnamed source, official, or “report”, wait until more information comes out before jumping. This is always true but especially now that the fbi is run by a podcaster who got his job by crawling up the president’s ass. Might save you from looking a gullible tool who will believe anything if it even remotely flatters your bigotry.
“When I see your posts, all I can think is “Christ, what a asshole”
Thanks for noticing!
“Please stop before you embarrass yourself furthur.”
How is a nonsense reference to Ken Kesey & The Merry Prankster’s bus a “joke”? Where is the “funny part”? DO I STILL GET THE BONUS POINTS???
@78 wrong again
@110 Girl, quite the stretch
Y’all need to remember this, it is the moment you lost it ALL.
The youth is on to your evil and destructive ways.
Charlies spirit and movement will live long after all of you.
Peace and love
“Even if true, the alleged trans roommate has been cooperating”
Because it doesn’t want to go to prison for being an accomplice
@78 wrong again
@110 Girl, whatever you need to do to keep up the lie you tell yourself
Y’all need to remember this, it is the moment you lost it ALL.
The youth is on to your evil and destructive ways.
Charlies spirit and movement will live long after all of you.
Peace and love to you all.
@78 wrong again
@110 Girl, whatever you need to do to keep up the lie you tell yourself
Y’all need to remember this, it is the moment you lost it ALL.
The youth is on to your evil and destructive ways.
Charlies spirit and movement will live long after all of you.
Peace and love to you all.
@78 wrong again
@110 Girl, whatever you need to do to keep up the lie you tell yourself
Y’all need to remember this, it is the moment you lost it ALL.
The youth is on to your evil and destructive ways.
Charlies spirit and movement will live long after all of you.
Peace and love to you all.
tha hell
@78 wrong again
@110 Girl, whatever you need to do to keep up the lie you tell yourself
Y’all need to remember this, it is the moment you lost it ALL.
The youth is on to your evil and destructive ways.
Charlies spirit and movement will live long after all of you.
Peace and love to you all.
Whoopsies
@ Bi-pedo…
Not that you are going to see this, but I’m glad you got the Ken Kesey joke. Or not.
I’ve known many Merry Pranksters over the years, and they would have run your dead ass out of Dodge. They don’t put up with the shit you spew.