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800 Maynard Ave S, Suite 200, Seattle, WA 98134
800 Maynard Ave S, Suite 200, Seattle, WA 98134
It does not lead "one" to ask, it leads you to ask. If you want to tell us you think the Seattle police are using plainclothes officers to incite violence, then just say so directly, don't hide behind semantic tomfoolerly like that.
@210
Just what it sounds like. It's like a tear gas grenade or canister, except it releases aerosolised capsaicin, the active ingredient in pepper spray.
...and any person so approached has the right to refuse to answer questions. The police in the US can't even demand identification without "reasonable and articulable" suspicion that the person is already involved in criminal activity. The police here in Washington State can't even ask for ID based on such suspicion, as WAia doesn't have a Stop and Identify Law.
Sure, police may approach people and ask them questions. And those people are are free to walk away without consequence if they are not being lawfully detained*. (In practice you should probably inquire if you are "free to leave" first.)
In fact police are bound by specific rules when making a "Terry stop", that is detaining someone without placing them under arrest:
Choice of fashion accessories does not indicate "that a crime has been, is being, or is about to be committed". Not even during a protest. (Lot's of people wear black clothing and scarves -- even those who have no interest in anarchy or black bloc. And you might even find black-clad, self-avowed anarchists who -- just imagine! -- don't commit vandalism.)
As someone who has been stopped and frisked on multiple occasions while minding my own business, I can tell you it is a deeply degrading and intimidating experience.
Even with the requisites imposed by the Terry stop rules, we still see tremendous numbers of questionable or outright wrongful stop and frisk procedures.
Protection of civil liberties is essential to maintaining a healthy society and respecting the dignity and rights of all individuals.
P.S. How does someone wear a ski mask "around their neck"?
*I'm not a lawyer, do your own research.
Sadly police don't always follow their own regulations (whoda thunk it, eh?).
Once, while walking along a road, a cop stopped me, frisked me (more like a sudden, violent groping), and demanded ID.
I refused at first. The cop declared if I didn't provide my license he would call for a K9 unit to sniff search me (for what, who knows?).
I eventually complied because it seemed like the easiest way to end the encounter.
And you were convicted of..?
When a cop doesn't follow procedure, and if you actually get arrested (you didn't!) then any public defender will be able to get you acquitted easily. And if they call in the dogs, you'll probably be able to take them to civil court for damages, too.
There's a reason it's called a justice system. Try thinking for a few minutes about what contemporary anarchists want to replace it with: no cops, no laws, no fixed penalties, restorative justice for grievous harm administered solely by General Assembly.
That's the title of the Great American Novel I am about to commence writing.
http://www.newmainetimes.org/articles/20…
I have a black hoodie myself. I am not sure why they are criminalized. Black is a warm color, and a hood keeps neck and head warm.
Also a police office has the right/responsibility to talk to people they think are suspicious. If there are known thugs that conceal black goodies under normal cloths and masks around their neck, the cops aren't doing anything wrong by talking to them. There is such a thing as prevent a crime before it happens, and despite what you think this can be done constitutionally.
Also to equant the travyon case to this is a strawman and a douche argument. In one there was no reason to suspect travyon and the use of force was uncalled for. Honestly just tossing out travyon martin to win an argument is douchy and disrespectful.
I personally have spent 45 days in jail and found the food to be quite nutritious, the showers hot, the beds warm and comfy. I got a lot of reading done, and met some interesting people.
The police state does not change minds through enforcement of unjust laws implemented by the power structure to protect the wealth and status of the elites.
Smashing windows calls attention more effectively than polite protest marches down State-sanctioned parade routes.
Fight the Power!
Jerry Hannan
Performed by Eddie Vedder
It's a mystery to me
We have a greed with which we have agreed
And you think you have to want more than you need
Until you have it all, you won't be free
Society, you're a crazy breed
I hope you're not lonely without me
When you want more than you have, you think you need
And when you think more than you want, your thoughts begin to bleed
I think I need to find a bigger place
Cause when you have more than you think, you need more space
Society, you're a crazy breed
I hope you're not lonely without me
Society, crazy indeed
Hope you're not lonely without me
There's those thinking more or less, less is more
But if less is more, how you keepin score?
Means for every point you make your level drops
Kinda like you're startin' from the top
And you can't do that
Society, you're a crazy breed
I hope you're not lonely without me
Society, crazy indeed
I hope you're not lonely without me
Society, have mercy on me
I hope you're not angry if I disagree
Society, you're crazy indeed
I hope you're not lonely without me
And all the buttsex you wanted and then some. Those inmates should have fucked you harder.
You should let Dick Cheney use you as his boytoy. Or worse, Condy Rice's loveslave.
Piece of shit losers. Go back to Nazi Germany where you'd feel right at home gassing jews, or the Roman Empire crucifying Christ, or, well, you don't get the point, do you, you pansy ass piece of shit.
Hmm, false. (And an embarrassing misuse of the word "strawman".) I did not "equant the travyon case to this".
In fact, I made an appropriate and correct application of germane real-world events to a discussion on the practice of appearance-based profiling and its consequences.
What exactly are you having difficulty with here? The English language?
To repeat the requirements of a Terry stop:
"He looked suspicious" and "he was wearing a 'black bloc scarf'" are not "specific and articulable facts" that a crime has been, is being, or is about to be committed.
Sorry, I deal in verifiable assertions and valid logical arguments, not unsubstantiated proclamations.
But if you feel strongly about this you might be keen on the precrime policing of Minority Report and the "pre-emptive war" doctrine of George W. Bush against Iraq (and potentially Obama and Isreal against Iran).
Or you could grow up and get a job son.
People walking around in what appears to be black bloc clothing -- in an area where black bloc riots are expected to break out -- would absolutely meet the requirement of "specific and articulable facts" as outlined by the Terry stop law. All the police need is reasonable suspicion. Again, no one has said these people should have been gunned down like Trayvon Martin. You're digging your heels in and being ridiculous.
Please read what I posted in @215:
The condition that you and j2patter keep citing -- your subjective notion of "black bloc clothing" -- is NOT SUFFICIENT grounds for detention by police.
In the absence of âspecific and articulable facts that a crime has been, is being, or is about to be committed", there would be no justification for a Terry stop of someone wearing black clothing at a protest.
And yet it's a justice system. Falsified police evidence can be, and is, successfully fought. And often not, true enough. The present system is, I'd agree, far too biased in favor of "one innocent man convicted" rather than "one guilty man goes free." And that really sucks.
Now please (please!) convince me how that particular problem wouldn't be (much!) worse under a system of no-fixed-law, no-fixed-penalty justice administered solely by borderless, antirepresentational, supermajority consensus-process direct-democracy gatherings of autonomous, interested individuals: e.g. Occupy's system of General Assembly.
And if you don't think one of those adjectives applies, please do object; My perception is that each is a bedrock principle for some securely large voting block of core Occupy participants.
I don't know if you can,
but can you get an owner for Ons,
that's O-N-S,Junior Market,
the address is 1934 East Aneheim,
all the windows are busted out,
and it's like a free-for-all in here
and uh the owner shouldat least come
down here and see if he can secure his business,
if he wants to...
April 26th, 1992,
there was a riot on the streets,
tell me where were you?
You were sittin' home watchin' your TV,
while I was paticipatin' in some anarchy.
First spot we hit it was my liqour store.
I finally got all that alcohol I can't afford.
With red lights flashin' time to retire,
And then we turned that liquor store into a structure fire.
Next stop we hit it was the music shop,
It only took one brick to make that window drop.
Finally we got our own p.a.
Where do you think I got this guitar that you're hearing today?
Hey!
(call fire, respond mobil station.
alamidos in Anahiem,
its uhh flamin up good.
10-4 Alamidos in Anaheim)
Never doin no time
When we returned to the pad to unload everything,
It dawned on me that I need new home furnishings.
So once again we filled the van until it was full,
since that day my livin' room's been more comfortable.
Cause everybody in the hood has had it up to here,
It's getting harder and harder and harder each and every year.
Some kids went in a store with thier mother,
I saw her when she came out she was gettin some pampers.
They said it was for the black man,
they said it was for the mexican,
and not for the white man.
But if you look at the streets it wasn't about Rodney King,
It's bout this fucked up situation and these fucked up police.
It's about coming up and staying on top
and screamin' 187 on a mother fuckin' cop.
It's not written on the paper it's on the wall.
National guard??!
Smoke from all around,
bo! bo! bo!
(units, units be advised there is an attempt 211 to arrest now at 938 temple,
938 temple... 30 subjects with bags.. tryin to get inside the cb's house)
(as long as I'm alive, I'mma live illegal)
Let it burn, wanna let it burn,
wanna let it burn, wanna wanna let it burn
(I'm feelin' Sad and Blue)
Riots on the streets of Miami,
oh, Riots on the streets of Chicago,
oh, on the streets of Long Beach,
mmm, and San Francisco (Boise Idaho),
Riots on the streets of Kansas City
(Salt Lake, Hunnington Beach, CA),
Tuscaloosa Alabama (Arcada Clarkston Michigan),
Cleveland Ohio,
Fountain Valley (Texas, Barstow - Let's do this every year),
Bear Mountain, Vista View (Twice a Year),
Eugene OR, Eureka CA (Let it burn, let it burn),
Hesperia (Oh, ya let it burn, wont'cha wont'cha let it burn),
Santa Barbara,Cuyamca, Nevada, (let it burn)
Phoenix Arizona,
San Diego, Lakewood Florida, (let it burn)
fuckin...Dreadnaught punks!(wontcha let it burn)
any units assist 334 willow,
structure fire, and numerous subjects looting
10-15 to get rid of this looter..
10-4
Nobody was violently attacked. Windows are ensured. A little disruption is good for the education of the citizenry to larger issues than the day to day maintenance of a system that is fundamentally flawed and headed off the cliff of climate change, nuclear holocaust, or just plain old fashioned greed and ego at the expense of beauty and sympathy.
It's a balancing act. A little spontaneous performance art created out of whole cloth by some vital young people is necessary to offset the complacency of the anti-depressant drugged Soccer Mom led middle classes.
No Jimmy, your grandma is Ensured, those windows had humans standing behind them working.
Btw Gran wants to know if you got your birthday check.
Now jimmy, as your mom and I have repeatedly told you, you're free to give away part or all of that upper middle class income of $125,000 a year you told everyone you make at last years Thanksgiving (btw mom told you not to open that 2nd Beaujolais).
I mean, if you're in the top 15% of income earners, why not give it to the poor?
See u at the summer house?
I can't say you've swayed me on the justification of vandalism, but you do offer some stimulating ideas.
I've sung those very Sublime lyrics countless times when I was younger. I honestly never recognized their political significance until this moment. I guess I took it more as a vicarious "wilin' out" song.
Thank you for that!
Bradley Nowell was a brilliant artist of the people. We lost an enormous talent when he passed. Suddenly I have to wonder how natural his death was.
Kurt Cobain, Bradley Nowell, Tupac, Biggie... wow. What might the world have been if they were still with us?
Well then, what do you believe in? There's plenty of middle ground there; which part of it do you stand on? How would your ideal justice system avoid being "rigged toward the police?"
grrr.....angryyy....SMASHY SMASH....>!!!!!!!!!
Martial Law is here
I am so sorry that your father is a no good, two-timing, abusive, alcoholic creep. (...But even I never realized that he might be ...a Republican.)
I hope you can forgive me for leaving as I did, and that you understand that he would have killed me if I stayed, and if I had take you with me, he would have followed us and killed us both.
If it's any consolation, I want you to know that he is not your real father. By the time you were conceived, he had been shooting blanks for years (when he was able to shoot at all). The booze and syphilis ravaged his genitals long before it inevitably rotted his brain.
Your real father was a good man, a REAL man, a man who didn't need to use facile cynicism to compensate for a tiny, shriveled, useless prick. (...and believe me, he wasn't no damned Republican!)
With all my love,
Mom
By the way, if your mama hadn't been suckling your cock since age 4, you might have turned out as half a man instead of what you are today.
Don't forget to thank Grannie for the $25 birthday check and let us know how much of your fabulous $125,000 a year income you give to the po', as you like to call them. That one always give mom and I a REALLY good laugh.
By the way, why do you hate homosexuals so much? I thought people like you embraced my lifestyle.
Under everyday law, it is of course perfectly legal to carry around bats, truncheons, clubs, smoke bombs, and other skull-cracking and property-burning paraphernalia. All perfectly legal! You can even drape flags over them, totally legally!
But yeah, the Evil Mayor did issue a Martial Law injunction saying it was OK for the police to confiscate smashist equipment away from the Neo-Smashists.
So, like, that's totally oppressive! Neo-nazis totally have the right to burn crosses when they march! Government oppression! Rally to us the clear and unquestionable sympathies of the proletariat! MAY DAY VICTORY!!!!
Or, alternately...