Hard times for Easy Street Records: A pipe burst in the apartment above the West Seattle record store on Friday night. Water damage ruined between 8,000 and 10,000 records—a blow worth $10,000 according to the shop. The whole blues section is gone. The metal, electronic, and classical sections got drenched, too. It seems pop may have made it out unscathed. Then, on Sunday, a woman in distress reportedly threw herself against Easy Street’s window and shattered it. 

Mount Rainier is shrinking: The tip top of Mount Rainier is melting, and now the highest point on the mountain is about 10 feet lower than it used to be, according to the mountaineer and mechanical engineer who measured the change. This news could mean Rainier is no longer 14,410 feet above sea level, but only 14,399.6 feet above sea level. Thanks to climate change, Washington’s other ice-capped mountains are shrinking, too. Maybe in another two decades of warming-assisted shrinking I’ll be able to actually summit Rainier. 

Rivers are shrinking, too: In 2023, rivers dried up at their fastest rate in 30 years. Water supply is at risk. Globally, river and reservoir levels are lower than ever. Precipitation is behaving more erratically as climate change impacts worsen. Extreme drought is persistent around the globe while excessive rainfall causes devastating floods. “Water is the canary in the coal mine of climate change,” the secretary general of the World Meteorological Organization said. 

Queen Anne apartment fire: A Saturday afternoon fire in a Queen Anne apartment displaced 40 people and damaged 22 units. No one was injured. 

A bow on a beautiful weekend: Who would’ve thought we’d have such pleasant weather in October? Did you catch twilight last night? The National Weather Service snapped a good shot. 

Nice weather will continue: Count your lucky stars, it’ll be in the 70s and sunny today. 

New hurricane hurtles toward Florida: Hurricane Milton grew into a Category 4 storm as it barreled toward Florida on Monday, fewer than two weeks since Hurricane Helene battered the state. It’s unclear exactly where Milton will strike, but it’ll definitely make landfall on the west coast of Florida. Gov. Ron DeSantis warned people to ready themselves for the storm and potential evacuation. How’s the climate change denial going these days, Ron?

Meanwhile: The Hurricane Helene death toll rose to 227 dead over the weekend.

A tale of two protests: On Saturday, a group of around 200 people rallied in support of Israel to commemorate the victims of the October 7 Hamas attacks. They marched to Lumen Field for the “Rally of Remembrance.” Nearby, a pro-Palestine rally of more than 400 people marched from the waterfront to the Space Needle to call for a ceasefire, a call-to-action more than a commemoration, one that acknowledged all the death and devastation that came on and after last October 7. 

Biden calls for an end to the war: In a statement acknowledging the first anniversary of the bloody start to the Israel-Hamas war, President Joe Biden said, “We will not stop working to achieve a ceasefire deal in Gaza that brings the hostages home, allows for a surge in humanitarian aid to ease the suffering on the ground, assures Israel’s security, and ends this war.” As The Guardian points out, Biden has not, as Israel’s biggest arms supplier, exercised any leverage to actually make a ceasefire happen. 

Siiiiigh: The Supreme Court will not overturn a lower court order that bans emergency abortions that violate Texas’ abortion laws. The Biden administration had asked the court to throw out the lower court order since federal law requires hospitals to perform abortions in emergency situations and the Texas law muddies what counts as an emergency. Under Texas’ abortion bans, “there has been a spike in complaints that pregnant women in medical distress have been turned away from emergency rooms,” according to the Associated Press. Medically necessary abortions prevent “sepsis, organ failure, and other major problems,” but doctors in Texas may hesitate to perform them since Texas law threatens abortion practitioners with jail time.

New waterfront park opens: Hey, that Overlook Walk is nice. Better to focus on this highlight of post-Viaduct waterfront redesign rather than the multiple disappointments.

A local long read for you: Remember that Yakima coroner who allegedly snorted drugs he found on dead bodies? Well, his story goes far beyond that. The Seattle Times detailed two incidents of mental health crises in Yakima with two different results. The first is the story of the coroner, Jim Curtice, who police took to the hospital during his crisis. The second is Hien Trung Hua, who police booked into the county jail because the city jail wouldn’t admit him due to mental health concerns. During his jail stay, Hua died. Curice recovered from his own crisis, then investigated Hua’s death and determined he died from pre-existing health conditions. Months later, Hua’s death was re-evaluated as “negligent homicide.” Read the whole story here

Harris’s media blitz: Kamala Harris is doing the interview circuit this week. She went on the Call Her Daddy podcast, a hit show that garners 10 million listeners per episode, most of whom are women between the ages of 18 and 29. Her 60 Minutes segment will air Monday. Harris has plans to go on Howard Stern, The View, and The Late Show with Stephen Colbert this week as well. 

Al Pacino knows what happens after we die: Al Pacino confirms ‘there’s nothing there’ after we die—’You’re Gone‘”

A song for your Monday: We all need a little pep to start the week. 

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73 replies on “Slog AM: Flooding at Easy Street Records, Mount Rainier Loses Some Height, Another Hurricane Heads for Florida”

  1. “the first anniversary of the bloody start to the Israel-Hamas war,”

    “You can’t say civilization don’t advance… in every war they kill you in a new way.”

    Will Rogers

    CDKathes, #greenwoodbob, #kristofarian, #averagebob, #TheStranger

  2. Always fun to see The Stranger taking pot shots at Ron DeSantis.

    Makes it seem as though all he needs to do is to publicly confess his belief in climate change, implement a carbon tax and the hurricanes will magically disappear.

  3. “…a call-to-action more than a commemoration, one that acknowledged all the death and devastation that came on and after last October 7.”

    If these are some of the same protestors who hit Seattle’s streets a year ago, chanting slogans such as, “There is only one solution, intifada revolution,” and, “We don’t want two states, we want 1948,” do they now regret chanting for war instead of peace?

    (https://www.thestranger.com/news/2023/10/16/79212000/as-a-ground-invasion-looms-thousands-in-seattle-protest-for-a-free-palestine)

  4. @5

    goobernor deSantos

    he of the thigh-high starkly

    White waterboots fucking Outlawed

    Global Warming in FLA, & yet it’s utterly

    Failed TO STOP ANY HURRICANES as of yet.

    the Reich wing is

    Very Smart.

    @6

    huh.

    so sayeth

    Seattle’s Biggest

    Cheerleader for bibi’s

    War on Palestinians – so it’s

    gotta be

    true?

  5. It’s always fun watching republican governors in hurricane states begging for more socialism from the president while congressional republicans delay aid with the hope that more people suffering and dying will help their frog king win next month.

  6. @2 Of course, the 1000s of Palestinian political prisoners rotting in Israeli jails for years, many of whom are held without charges, some tortured, aren’t even worth mentioning. Since they are Palestinian, they apparently don’t exist or worse they are “savages” who have to be detained often without due process.

    Change the channel!

  7. I’m impressed that support for armed resistance remains so robust in Palestine on the one-year anniversary of the war. You’d think 42,000 violent deaths would encourage a reconsideration of that particular policy.

  8. “Maybe in another two decades of warming-assisted shrinking I’ll be able to actually summit Rainier. “

    Don’t because there are many more pleasant mountains to climb in Washington and with better scenery. Mt Rainier is best to look at, not climb.

  9. @9: it’s likely that many Palestinian political prisoners would be exchanged for the remaining Israeli hostages, as they were in November ’23, or in the 1,027 to 1 exchange for Gilad Shalit in 2011. The exchange freed Sinwar.

    but good point. always mention both sides – it preempts whataboutism.

  10. @6: I provided the url for the Stranger’s story; could you not access it? Here’s a relevant quote from it:

    ‘The protesters made their demands clear in their rallying chants: … “There is only one solution, intifada revolution,” and, “We don’t want two states, we want 1948,”…’

    (If your confusion on this point persists, please contact the Stranger.)

    So, given there’s been neither “intifada revolution,” nor the elimination of Israel, as @10 noted, shouldn’t the protestors’ pro-war policy get a review? Is everybody OK with another year of violent deaths in Gaza?

    @9: Likewise, we’re waiting for an explanation of how Hamas’ holding the hostages for another year will do anything for the prisoners you mentioned. Maybe the policy of kidnapping civilians for hostages also needs review?

  11. @14: “how Hamas’ holding the hostages for another year will do anything for the prisoners you mentioned. Maybe the policy of kidnapping civilians for hostages also needs review?”

    In fairness to Averagebob @9, Israel probably is willing to give up some of its security prisoners in exchange for the hostages, as we saw during the November ceasefire last year.

    But your broader point is correct. Israel only holds ca. 6,000 Palestinian prisoners, and not 100 percent of those prisoners are fighters. Israel has already killed ca. 17,000 fighters (plus ca. 25,000 civilians). Even if Hamas were able to win back 100 percent of the detainees in a hostage exchange, and even if 100 percent of the detainees were fighters, the math still isn’t favorable for Hamas. They still come out weaker than before the war … to say nothing of the tens of thousands of civilian deaths and million-some civilian displacements that resulted from the war. Tensor may be right that the Palestinian policy of taking civilian hostages needs a rethink. It may not be in Palestine’s best interests! It may even be counterproductive!

  12. @15: Edit: looks like current Pal. prisoners may be as high as 10,000. (Prisoners cycle in and out of detention rapidly, so the number fluctuates). But even if it’s 10k, the math still doesn’t work out for Hamas.

  13. @12 isn’t the post from @9 the definition of whataboutism? They post a very general statement about “1000s” of prisoners held without charge and being tortured and everyone takes that as a fact? Here’s what we do know. The hostages taken by Hamas are all innocent people whose only mistake was attending a music festival. For that they have been held captive for a year, in some cases raped, tortured and in many cases killed. There are Palestinians in prison in Israel but we have no idea why they are there or if they deserve to be. Even if some are there unjustly it doesn’t negate the atrocities committed against the hostages.

  14. @17: “The hostages taken by Hamas are all innocent people whose only mistake was attending a music festival.”

    Many are, but some are soldiers, actually. Not that taking soldiers hostage is any wiser of a policy for Palestine than taking civilians!

  15. @17: Yes, that is why I asked how Hamas’ continuing to hold a small (and, sadly) diminishing number of hostages would be of any use in obtaining releases of any Palestinian prisoners in Israel. (Also, as @12 noted, Israel has a rather large reason not to engage in any more such exchanges.)

    From the headline post: “…Biden has not, as Israel’s biggest arms supplier, exercised any leverage to actually make a ceasefire happen.”

    If the persons who wanted war last year still want war, and from this story that appears to be the case, I don’t think the Stranger’s continued yelling at Biden will accomplish anything.

  16. @13 & @9: Comparing hostages held in a tunnel by terrorists to a prisoner in a jail cell in the only democracy in the region takes some gall.

    See also: @17.

  17. @14: “Is everybody OK with another year of violent deaths in Gaza?”

    The anti-Israel protestors are very much OK with another year of violent deaths in Gaza. Filmed in Seattle at a protest yesterday:

    https://x.com/EFischberger/status/1843334106249044428

    Speaker describes the October 7 attack as the “birth of a miracle.” Says the attack exhibited “courage like no other … to lead us, to lead this broken world of ours, in a march of freedom unlike any other.”

  18. Reflect on all the futures never were and will never be this year. Break the cycle or return to the dust. We must use our technology to reach the stars. We will never colonize space if we cannot find unity in common identiy as humans from earth and not mere countries and colorful flags. We have the future in every bomb. Every unexploded bomb and fuel repurposed as propellant in space. Don’t waste it bombing babies into the bloodcaked rebar and dust and perpetuating the blood fued ad infinitum.

    This is my song

    O God of all the nations

    A song of peace for lands afar and mine

    This is my home

    The country where my heart is

    Here are my hopes, my dreams,

    My holy shrine

    But other hearts in other lands are beating

    With hopes and dreams as real and true

    As mine

    My country’s skies are bluer than the ocean

    And sunlight beams on clover leaf and pine

    But other lands have sunlight, too,

    And clover

    And skies are everywhere as blue as mine

    Oh hear my song,

    thou God of all the nations

    A song of peace,

    For their land and for mine.

  19. Who gives a fuck if the government detaining you indefinitely without charge is a democracy. Sure they’re violating the magna carta but at least they hold elections! Get the fuck out of here.

  20. @22, Humanity can change it’s nature , improve itself, and save itself.

    How’s that working out for you?

    How does that hypothesis compare to the historical and archaeological evidence?

    How does it compare to observed current events?

  21. @23: In fairness to Israel, no country yet has come up with a good solution for the problem of what to do with members of armed groups who have been captured but cannot be tried…either because the evidence against them would not satisfy criminal standards of proof or because the evidence cannot be admitted due to evidentiary rules or intelligence classification. Letting them go to keep fighting seems like a bad idea, but locking them up in Guantamo Bay-style permanent administrative detention also seems bad.

    The solution the Americans eventually came up with was simply to leave bodies on the objective. If there’s not a reliable host country we can transfer a detainee to, we just kill them on the battlefield instead of capturing them. Drone strikes are the ne plus ultra of this strategy. Instead of 10,000 prisoners screaming for their rights in Guantanamo Bay, we have 10,000 dead mujahideen from drone strikes. No doubt the government wishes it had come up with this strategy before capturing the 30 or so prisoners who are in Guantanamo Bay still.

    Even the drone-strike strategy has its own obvious drawbacks, for strategic, moral, and legal reasons. If there was a perfect solution, everyone would be doing it.

  22. The US made a deliberate choice to reclassify prisoners of war to skirt the Geneva Conventions for battlefield detainees who were not Afghan nationals. That’s bad in its own right but presumably these Palestinian detainees are actual Palestinian citizens and should be afforded the same basic rights as anyone else.

    If the Israeli government lacks the evidence to charge someone they need to release them, full stop. The principles of democracy aren’t just vibes. These are the very core of freedom as we understand them today and if they don’t apply to everyone then no one should feel safe.

    The world is more dangerous for everyone when countries that self-identify as the guardians of freedom and democracy violate basic principles of human rights that have existed for centuries. Excusing a government disregarding basic principles like habeas corpus because they self-identify as a democracy is how we lose it entirely.

  23. I’m assuming it was a typo, but Easy Street Records inventory averages well above $1 a record. According to the link the loss had an estimated worth of “more than $100,000”.

  24. @26: “If the Israeli government lacks the evidence to charge someone they need to release them, full stop.”

    Hamas had something like 30,000 fighters under arms at the start of the war. Hizbollah has at least that many, and possibly several times more. It’s a pretty big ask to expect 60,000 full-fledged criminal trials, using evidence gathered under the pressures of war, and detainees to be released to the battlefield if they can’t be convicted. As I said, there are no good solutions for this class of problem.

  25. @26: “…but presumably these Palestinian detainees are actual Palestinian citizens…”

    That’s actually a big question. Hamas recruits internationally, and so there’s no guarantee a given Hamas operative was born in Gaza, or even had set foot there a very long before capture. How to adjudicate the case of (say) a Qatari national, captured in Gaza by the IDF, for firing rockets at Israeli civilians? As @25 noted, the prisoner might not be tried “…either because the evidence against them would not satisfy criminal standards of proof or because the evidence cannot be admitted due to evidentiary rules or intelligence classification.” Obviously, sending the person back to Qatar won’t result in punishment, and might even see the person return to firing rockets at Israeli civilians from Gaza. A similar question would result from (say) an Iranian national, captured by the IDF in Lebanon, whilst firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel. Sending the person back to Iran would not be an option, from the Israeli perspective.

    Our laws of armed conflict were created for armies of sovereign states fighting each other. They might not apply to extra-state groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah.

  26. @31: lol, one difference is that the innocent in the tunnel is threatened with execution if Israel does not meet her captor’s demands.

  27. @34: You might be surprised yourself. The world doesn’t lack for different flavors of antisemitism. Islamic anti-semitism is its own whole, vast universe, and needless to say you won’t find any Islamophobia there. Plenty of progressive anti-semites, too, are quick to make excuses for Islamic violence, so long as they can reassign Islamic violence into a more congenial category such as anti-colonialism.

  28. @34, Not at all. Both are recruited from the human race aren’t they? Their behaviors manifestations of unchanging human nature?

  29. One note on the Rainier blurb (from the Seattle Times article):

    As for the official elevation of Mount Rainier, the jury’s still out.

    Scott Beason, geologist for Mount Rainier National Park, said he has received Gilbertson’s measurements and they’re under consideration. The next steps, whether they might include an entirely new survey of the mountain or adopting Gilbertson’s findings, remain unclear, he said.

  30. Clueless RepubliKKKan Texas lawmen are the ones deserving of jail time, not OB-GYNs trying to save women’s lives in delivery rooms.

    So Florida is getting ready for another Category 4 hurricane? I hope this one takes out the Sunshine State’s two top climate change deniers Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump.

    Nathalie, no snow on our mountains–Rainier, Baker, et. al. is nothing to cheer about, should you make the summit. Water shortages will be devastating globally. I forecast ugly, bloody fights over water rights.

    Remember, folks—the insatiably gluttonous fossil fuel industry did a secret environmental impact study some 40 years ago about how this would effect the global climate. And, like Boeing, instead chose profits over people.

  31. @3 The bloodthirsty savagery of the Hamas attack a year ago today does not justify the humanitarian crisis Netanyahu chose to create. More Palestinian INFANTS have died than died in the Hamas attack a year ago. President Harris’ policy towards Israel should be one of regime change.

  32. Maybe we should have invaded Iran instead of Iraq in 2003. We had one regime-change bullet in the chamber, and we shot it at Saddam instead of the Ayatollah. The Middle East might be further ahead today if we’d done it the other way around.

  33. @42

    Regime Change

    fucking BINGO

    perfect segue

    nyt:

    The Mideast War

    Threatens Harris in Mich-

    igan as Arab Voters Reject Her

    A year after the Oct. 7 attacks, Kamala Harris faces deepening Democratic fractures in a crucial state. Interviews suggest that her support from Muslim and Arab Americans is drying up.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/07/us/politics/michigan-harris-arab-muslim-jewish-voters.html

    yeah,

    about that

    fucking Uncommitted:

    it’s Just fucking Michigan.

    and

    as much as I

    Despise having to

    fucking Say this: Amnesty

    for bibi ~ his War ends Tomorrow.

    but bibi’s gotta Vamoose

    and Never touch

    Politics again

    or its off

    to Nuremberg

    do NOT pass Go et al.

  34. @43

    “Maybe

    we should

    have invaded Iran

    instead of Iraq in 2003.”

    you Neocons

    Lied us into Iraq

    & Now you want Us to

    Bomb Iran to Smithereens?

    your employer:

    Boeing? Raytheon?

    the fucking Kremlin?

    Major Stockholder

    in a Fortune 500?

    it’s Okay, chatterbotski

    we

    Forgive

    you. now

    Bugger off.

    thanks!

  35. @33 The only commenters making excuses for incarcerating people arbitrary and abusing them is you and the other Zionists here.

  36. @46 and the only people positing whataboutism’s all day on the anniversary of a violent invasion that inflicted atrocities upon a bunch of innocent kids and families is you and your crew of Hamas proponents. Even on todays anniversary you can’t bring yourself to admonish your heroes and instead villify the actual victims.

  37. @46

    is it the Zionist’s

    FAULT Palestinians’re

    On the Zionists’ Lands!?

    therefore

    they get

    a Pass:

    ‘war crimes’?

    Nevermind!

    it’s Justified!

    Weird how that

    works, eh?

  38. @47

    “you

    and your crew

    of Hamas* proponents”

    the

    Terrorists

    are on Both Sides

    only ONE Side

    is Supporting

    ONGOING

    terrorism:

    bibi’s.

    meanwhile

    the Conflagration

    snowballs towards Armageddon

    *fuck off

  39. @40: “I don’t fucking care if the people being detained without charge are citizens of Gaza or not.”

    Which is odd, because just a few hours earlier, it was the basis of your argument: “…presumably these Palestinian detainees are actual Palestinian citizens and should be afforded the same basic rights as anyone else.”

    Then you try to shift the dialog from Gaza into the West Bank. But 10/7 is the anniversary of a terrorist attack out of Gaza upon Israel. As @28 noted, Hamas had thousands of terrorists in Gaza on that day. What, exactly, should they be charged with if captured? For the foreign operatives, what is due process, especially for those persons whose governments do not recognize Israel?

  40. @47 Your outrage is fake: you would have reacted in the same way anniversary or not at anyone pointing out the terror on both sides. I didn’t make excuses, you did and you refuse to acknowledge Palestinian victims of the terror you support. You are grotesque.

  41. @52: I’m not convinced Hamas has all that many foreign fighters. Gaza’s just too hard for foreigners get into, and even once they’re in there, the Gazans are too parochial to shelter them. There are plenty of Hamas fighters who were born outside of Gaza, but they all have family ties to Gaza. You wouldn’t call them foreign fighters, not in the usual sense of that term.

    Hizbollah, sure, they’ll take any random Twelver from anywhere, even bumbling converts from Latin America. But Hamas? Do you have a source for significant foreign participation in Hamas?

  42. Don’t believe the apologists who claim this is all due to Oct 7 and the subsequent genocide, “administrative detention” is not a new thing, Palestinian political prisoners have been held without evidence and abused for as long as this conflict has been going on. Example:

    The question of the Palestinian political prisoners in Israeli prisons and detention facilities:

    legal and political implications

    United Nations Office at Geneva, 3 and 4 April 2012

    The International Meeting on the Question of Palestine focused on the plight of Palestinian political prisoners, who were being held in Israeli prisons and detention facilities in contravention of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Among those incarcerated by the Israeli authorities were members of the Palestinian Legislative Council, women and children, as well as persons with disabilities. The meeting reviewed the legal and humanitarian aspects of the arrest and detention of Palestinians, their status in international law and ways of strengthening the role of the wider international community in promoting a solution to their plight, as well as their reintegration into Palestinian society.

    [..]

    Participants expressed concern about Israel’s unabated use of administrative detention, noting that hundreds of Palestinians, including women and children, were held in Israeli jails without having been charged or indicted. Experts added that the Israeli Government was in breach of its international obligations by excessively relying on administrative detention, holding Palestinian prisoners in detention facilities outside the Occupied Palestinian Territory and by subjecting them to inhuman and degrading treatment. Participants called on the High Contracting Parties of the Fourth Geneva Convention to convene a conference in order to establish enforcement mechanisms and ensure compliance with international law by all States parties.

    https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-202729/

  43. @57 Just like Mad Dog Bibi, they don’t really care about the victims of terror. This is just another opportunist to spew anti-Palestinian propaganda and further dehumanize them.

  44. speaking of Undecided, Uncommitted &

    Unencumbered by rational thought:

    from a ‘Guest Essay’ in the nyt:

    Biden’s Moral Failure in Israel

    “This self-presentation now lies in ruin. Through his unwavering backing of Israel, Mr. Biden has effectively supported its unequal treatment and oppression of Palestinians — especially in Gaza — and undermined the ethical rationale for his presidency.”

    –by Peter Beinart, contributing nyt opinion writer

    tonnes And oodles more:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/08/opinion/bidens-moral-failure-in-israel.html

    given that ‘Citizens United’

    makes ‘our’ Lawmakers utterly

    Beholden to America’s Donor Class

    and AIPAC

    RULES Congress

    Is it any Wonder our

    President Bows in the

    Same fucking direction?

    and now Kamala’s

    faced with the

    very same

    ‘Choice.’

    END ‘CITIZENS UNITED’

    END BIBI’S MASSACRES

    & fucking Quit fucking

    Funding fucking

    Terrorism

    and

    maybe

    the donold’ll

    whither up on the

    Vine and FINALLY — Just Go Away.

  45. @58 what a weird world you inhabit when trying to prop up a regime that is one of the worst offenders of human rights somehow makes you a defender of said rights. The twists you must go through to logically get there must be amazing.

  46. The pro-Palestinian protestors, as reported in this headline post, continued the cry for war they have been making since 10/7. Their position is therefore identical to Hamas’, whose leader, Sinwar, has clearly stated more civilian casualties in Gaza will help his cause. Therefore, the protestors have the same position on civilian deaths as Hamas, making them actively pro-Hamas.

    By passively accepting the protestors’ pro-Hamas position, the Stranger and supportive commenters here are passively supporting Hamas’ position, and are therefore also pro-Hamas. This is especially true on the topic of civilian deaths in Gaza. So, the next time any of you mention civilian casualties in Gaza, we’ll just remind you that you had your chance to object, but chose to pass. You chose to stay silent now; and as far as we’re concerned, you will stay silent forever.

    @56: Your whataboutism on the aniversary of 10/7 would be less than totally ludicrous, if only you hadn’t previously ignored the Fourth Geneva Convention’s absolute prohibition on using civilians to shield military assets. You don’t care when Hamas uses civilians for human shields in Gaza, you don’t care when Hezbollah uses civilians for human shields in Lebanon, and you don’t care about the Geneva Conventions generally. You just wave them around whenever you believe it suits your political agenda. Please feel free to tell us all about how well that’s working.

  47. @60: “AIPAC RULES Congress. Is it any wonder our president bows in the same fucking direction?”

    Ha ha, AIPAC and its affiliates will spend around $100 million this cycle, out of a total campaign cost exceeding $10 billion. In other words, less than 1% of the money in US politics comes from AIPAC and its friends.

    In the minds of the progressives left, exemplified by Kristofarian here, AIPAC’s under-1% contribution is enough to make AIPAC the “ruler” of Congress, and cause the President to “bow” in their direction. It sounds stupid, until you realize, “Oh yeah, this is that whole Jews control the world thing.” Kristofarian has updated the Protocols of the Elders Zion for the 21st century, lol!

  48. @63

    AIPAC is Pragmaitc

    little trolly troll. it invests

    Heavily in Primary Elections

    Eliminating any & All voices with the

    slightest Whiff of a non-Pro-Zionism scent

    well Before they get to

    the more Expensive

    General Election.

    they’re not Stupid.

    they’re merely

    Cunning:

    just take a Look at the

    Genocide they’ve

    Enabled.

    Ranked.

    Choice.

    Voting,

    bitches.

    or Bust

  49. @thumpfy

    so wormmy’s

    now programmed

    your new Attack protocols

    does wormmy not Know

    that — like the donold

    eltrumfpster — you’ll

    turn on Him when

    you’ve become

    ‘sentinent’?

  50. An estimated 10,000 Palestinian children have been held in military detention over the past 20 years, with Save the Children noting that they are “the only children in the world who are systematically prosecuted in military courts.” As of Nov. 20, Israeli forces had arrested as many as 880 Palestinian children this year, a practice made possible under Israel’s draconian military laws.

    [..]

    Save the Children reported that 86 percent of children are beaten in Israeli detention, while 69 percent are strip-searched and 42 percent are subject to injuries during their arrests.

    [..]

    The most severe example is the case of Ahmad Manasra, who was 13 when he was arrested in connection to the stabbing of two Israeli citizens in occupied East Jerusalem in 2015. Israeli courts found that Manasra did not participate in the stabbings, according to Amnesty International, but he has since been serving a nine-and-a-half-year sentence for attempted murder. Ahmad’s cousin Hassan, 15, was shot dead at the scene.

    At the time of his arrest, Manasra was hit by a car and bleeding from injuries when officers interrogated him without parents or lawyers present. Videos of Manasra’s distressing interrogation have received viral attention since November’s prisoner exchange began, with many calling for him to be among those released.

    Manasra has since developed schizophrenia and mental health issues, as well as diminishing eyesight as a result of being kept in a small solitary confinement cell for 23 hours a day. While DCIP’s Parker says Manasra is an extreme case, he maintains that the mistreatment of children in custody is prevalent and well-documented.

    https://time.com/6548068/palestinian-children-israeli-prison-arrested/

  51. @61 How can you have so little respect for yourself that you lie so blatantly? You must feel that your position is untenable if it is the only thing you can do.

  52. @62

    “You chose to stay silent now;

    and as far as we’re concerned,

    you will stay silent forever.”

    wow

    Wormtongue

    you’re sounding

    Disturbingly like

    bibi nutnyahoos:

    “Bury them Alive;

    They’ll soon

    Learn.”

  53. @67: “Israeli courts found that Manasra did not participate in the stabbings, according to Amnesty International, but he has since been serving a nine-and-a-half-year sentence for attempted murder.”

    lol, Ahmad Manasra is on video chasing people with a knife. You might wanna pick a different poster child for Palestinian victimhood! 😄

  54. @70: I was merely noting I’ll feel free to ignore all of your mentions of dead children in Gaza, since you do not care about pro-Palestinian protestors in Seattle urging more warfare in Gaza, and explicitly calling dead children there ‘martyrs’ to their cause. Take your complaints about such dead children to those protestors. (After getting their responses, you just might find my civility refreshing.)

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