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were beast were wolf were dog were bear were cat were blue were machine
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Is there anyone who doesn't think the space marines didn't return a week later and just nuke the surface of Pandora into blast glass?
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Of all of the commentary I read about Avatar, I haven't seen anyone really make this important distinction: the marines were no longer government troops, but corporate mercenaries. So it is not so much blatantly Anti-American as it is Anti-Military Industrial synchronicity. It's Haliburton.
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@3) how do you separate american capitalism (neoliberalism) from american imperialism (neoconservatism)? this is what your reading requires us to do for it to make any sense.
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@3, they threw that ONE line in to dull the edge of the anti-military overtones in the movie. Someone at the corporate office surely said, 'can we add that line about soldiers fighting for freedom and call these guys mercs?'

Does it matter that they're mercenaries in the film? No. Mercenaries or not, they're a military force that does exactly what our military forces do. There's no dulling that point no matter what you call them.

I couldn't help but enjoy the irony of a theater full of Americans rooting against their own military in a film. The whole time I was watching it, I was waiting for the words 'shock and awe' to pop out, and it did...

Sure, call them Blackwater, Halliburton, or KBR, but those guys are just a distraction from the atrocities our troops are committing. We get to condemn our military practices without having to condemn the troops. They're the whipping boy for our national shame.

Charles, you have permission to borrow that last paragraph for your next post.
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Who knew that such a left leaning blog would complain about supposed anti Americanism in the form of an audience being against a military slaughtering indiginous peoples?
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That message of Avatar already seems a bit dated... like it was written in the nearly-quaint era that was the 1999 WTO demonstrations, an era that's now fading.

In this decade, the method that works is to just corrupt and co-opt the local government, military, and police, preach "non-interference", and then insert the state-owned corporations to grab whatever resources at whatever environmental cost.

It's the Chinese model, and it's so much more effective at dealing with such outstanding regimes as those that run Zimbabwe, Sudan, and Turkmenistan. Hire the local thugs and syndicates to protect your in-country interests, rather than insert your own forces, to avoid any xenophobic reactions and any fears of colonization. And this model has the benefits that there are no messy complications like human rights at all... and no need to put a nice 'democratic' sheen on any activities at all.

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If you look past the snazzy CGI, Avatar's a pretty boring and predictable film.
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ah yes only eurowhites are sinners in history, prior to 1492 there was never any colony ever (Troy being imaginary, also Massila), there's never been any asian or Native American conquest or imperialism (mongols, tamerlane, aztecs just didn't exist, those were hollywood fairy tales) and prior to 1492 there was also no world trade. Globalism is a recent invention. Before 1492, nobody ever moved around the world, and no one ever encountered a foreign nation, or tribe. All the world's sins may be laid to the eurowhites and their descendants, because this somehow makes us putting out this nonsensical view hip and intelligent, very cool, just like when I buy "authentic" Guatemalan fabrics to display my solidarity with poor people in the third world.
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I barely thought about modern political allegory watching Avatar -- I was thinking about Pocahontas, with an (even more) unlikely, Disneyfied ending that would have the Powatan driving off the British thanks to magical forest friends, or of John Boorman's "Emerald Forest", or even of a version of Miyazaki's "Princess Mononoke", had that been adapted for retards, with all the corners smoothed off. I was thinking of the unbelievably shitty Star Wars sequel, "Return of the Jedi", with those godawful teddy bears tripping Imperial walkers with vines and logs.

The movie was interesting to me when the alien natives seemed realistically doomed, and instantly got stupid when they started plugging in their usb cables to the wildlife and trees, which was even marginally more magical and unlikely than the spacefaring tech to cart gigantic machinery across lightyears to mine "unobtainium". Because the humans seemed to be working for the same ubiquitous globalmegacorp from "Aliens" (which I think had a vaguely Asian name), I guess I wasn't ever thinking of them as "Americans" -- I mean, Americans, with a working manned space program...?
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@4 I saw more neoliberalism in the corporate forces' attempt to re-educate the population for capitalistic reasons, that was a nice little detail thrown in that I appreciated.

@5 Not implying that our international actions are forgiven or excusable in light of KBR. Corporations have been doing this around the world for decades now, Iraq is the most current and obvious example.

Perhaps the patriotic bit in me would like to think this is less of the brash and ignorant statement that "America sucks" and more of a comment on the corporations that infiltrated government infrastructure to make it suck.

then again, we are talking about Avatar here...as Charles pointed out, a sign of our still-present cultural colonialism
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Can someone explain the bad conditions that existed when Sully first landed there? The top military-ish dude was yelling about how it was worse than hell and a number would die, etc. But in the first part of the film you don't really see the non-aliens attacking them. And when they do start attacking the military-ish dude seemed slightly amused. Earlier people seemed to be sitting around and enjoying the base, etc. What did I miss?

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@10 but it is written by a person based "in reality" for viewers who are based "in reality" about topics that actually do exist "in reality".....is a pretty candy shell.....
what the fuck is the difference?

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@7, Avatar probably reads like a 90s political commentary because the first "scriptment" was written in 1994 and Cameron intended to do a 1999 release of the film. Basically, it is a 90s political commentary with this decade's CGI technology and a few of the last decade's buzzwords.
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No. That is not what the movie is "about." The themes it addresses - somewhat hamhandedly - are much more general, as applicable to the Roman or British Empires as the American, and as applicable to the America of the 19th century as the 21st or the twenty-whateverth in which is takes place.

Everyone sees anti-Americanism in it because anti-Americanism is on everyone's minds. As with much art and entertainment, you get out of it what you bring to it.
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How did you come up with 2012, Charles?
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Avatar is like a song with a great beat and catchy melody but lame lyrics. Even if you don't like the words, you can still dance to it (unless, of course, you're in Seattle where people are too hip to actually, y'know, dance.)

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