Then they should sell it in a plastic bag, cut $9 off the cost. While all the labeling and information might seem cool and interesting, it will pass quickly, nobody is going to care after a few months of this. Its not like friends are going to ask you "Is there peanuts in this? I cant smoke peanuts as im deathly allergic to it".
Total fucking bullshit Dominic, Alison and you should be ashamed of yourselves for selling us this shitty, shitty law. Pot has been made super expensive by (job killing) taxes that account for up to 70% of the price. Oppresively expensive DUI's will be on the rise, many of which will be given based just on officer judgement that the driver was at some point in the past stoned, whether 2 hours ago or last night. And it's still illegal to grow your own. When I can grow my own recreational weed without crimination, then it will be legal.
(Also the voters didn't nix alcohol stores, they were sold a bill of goods by Cosco that would mean lower prices for booze, that worked out great, eh?)
I almost didn't vote for the dumb initiative, it was full of obvious mistakes. Finally I did vote for it, and it is better than prohibition. I am against state regulation wile it remains classified as criminal under DEA regulations, and I've never seen any real evidence that THC impairs the ability to safely operate a motor vehicle, though I have no doubt that massive enough doses could. The whole thing seems almost as silly as the people who claimed that more people would use it if it was legal.
yes ironic isn't it that our legalized marijuana has more specific information on it then we can get from our genetically modified food! As far as price goes we all remember what happened with liquor, the price will go down, otherwise you can since 502 find it on Craigslist or more locally seattle.Janeslist.org, go shop.
While you were provided with more information than you would be if you bought from a random dealer, I have been to many medical marijuana dispensaries that provide the same amount of information. I have worked for dispensaries and know a few people who do as well, including a couple owners. I do know that not every dispensary follows strict regulation on where the marijuana comes from, how it was grown, what it was grown with etc but many of them do. So really, is the experience that different from what a patient gets?
CORRECTION: CBD is NON-psychoactive, but is effective for muscle tension and pain. CGG, however, IS psychoactive. It occurs when THC degrades due to heat and time. Get your facts straight, it's legal now!
" The label then lists the CBD, a more narcotic chemical found in marijuana, and the nonpsychoactive CBG. "....Um...WRONG. Switch them around maybe?
Using a term like "Narcotic" is not appropriate to describe Cannibidiol or CBD's.
It is a non-psychoactive component that is believed to reduce and regulate the effects of THC. This means that strains high in THC and CBD will induce much clearer head highs than more hazy, heady strains containing very little CBD. CBD itself has a long list of medicinal properties. The main of which relieve things such as chronic pain, inflammation, migraines, arthritis, spasms and epilepsy and schizophrenia. CBD has also been show to have some anti cancer properties, and new uses are being found all the time as more research is conducted. Most products that contain high CBD's and low THC count's generally produce no "high" but still include the positive effects of marijuana on the body.
CBG, also known as cannabigerol, is an active compound in cannabis that is mostly known for its anti-bacterial effects. However, very recent research has found that, whilst not traditionally though to be very prevalent within most cannabis strains, it is likely to be the ātemplateā or āstem cellā for both THC and CBD. This means that both THC and CBD start out as CBG. CBG has also been found to inhibit the uptake of GABA, this causes a feeling of relaxation that is normally associated with CBD. These findings have spurred new ongoing research into the cannabinoid, meaning it may have even larger implications.
@2 this is a real consumer benefit. Let's face it, we buy tons of food every day , and we don't know squat about where it's from, or what might be in it.
Does cannabis city sell more than the one strain pictured above? The labeling is marginally better than what I get at the dispensary, but what good is information without choice?
The law isn't perfect, but we have come such a long way! Yay for our awesome state! Now we can work on making it better so using a random guy at Westlake is less and less common, and more and more annoying.
The guy in the MM t-shirt is right. I voted for this, but it was with the understanding that the illegal drug market would be undercut and therefore destroyed. You are not going to accomplish that by opening an expensive specially store in the industrial district.
Putting weed in the hands of the LCB was a huge mistake. Their purpose has always been to hinder people from getting intoxicants. How can they compete with the folks(illegal market) who want you to get high and make it easy? This is like if everything was cheaper at the convenience store on your corner than at the supermarket. No one would go to safeway again.
Even though Dominic is a weed fanboy he does have a point (he just didn't make it very well because he is a stoner and not a MM user). I want the opposite combination THC / CBD purchase he is after, and it sure would be useful when medicating to know that the regular and regulated testing results will be right on the package.
I just have doubts about how current the test results on Leafly are and if what I buy at SMMA are actually the same.
The continuity and fidelity are kind of important in testing medications.
Folks the prices are higher due to the lack of supply. This is precisely what happened in Colorado. Initial prices were more than buying from some shady dude, and went down over time to very reasonable prices depending upon the strain.
Give it some time and you'll see the prices drop to acceptable levels. If they can match the prices of your normal dealers out there on the streets, what is the benefit of buying from them anymore...especially since you know what you're getting here.
@21
Well, to play D-A, the benefit is not having to go to the industrial district to buy weed. As far as I can recall, the only other retailers that can get away with that location are Costco and Home Depot.
If you want to see the illegal market go away, more store have to open, and be in places where people actually go.
@25 no one does. I'm as left as I come, and when I bought my car a few years ago it was annoying to pay the taxes. It's annoying when I renew every year. I spend God knows how much on sales taxes every where, which I'd rather have for other purposes, like most everyone else. Ditto for various vice taxes. But I know it goes to help others, and myself.
Every time I pay taxes I think of all the glorious roads and bridges I'm building, all the children being educated, all the bombs being dropped overseas. Taxes are money well spent.
I'm Canadian and buy my MJ from a licensed caregiver (it's legal until the national court injunction is decided) at $40/oz
If the injunction doesn't hold, I'm forced to buy from government licensed companies at a minimum price of $12/gm.
I understand that you guys are starting up and I wish you nothing but the best of luck and success. I'll pass on buying MJ in Washington state until the prices come down though.
I'm Canadian and buy my MJ from a licensed caregiver (it's legal until the national court injunction is decided) at $40/oz
If the injunction doesn't hold, I'm forced to buy from government licensed companies at a minimum price of $12/gm.
I understand that you guys are starting up and I wish you nothing but the best of luck and success. I'll pass on buying MJ in Washington state until the prices come down though.
I'm perfectly happy to not buy weed from the same source as any dipshit wearing pot-leaf pants that's accompanied by the iconic "pit bull on a rope". It's the same reason I don't go to Hempfest. We're both fans of the same end goal (legal marijuana), but we come at it from drastically different places. My place doesn't have pot-leaf pants.
I thought this was pretty great. I have no interest in buying weed but Dominic's points are excellent.
I don't actually think the LCB has a lot of blame to shoulder here. The Feds made it very clear, publicly, that they would not tolerate pot stores going in within X distance of schools etc. which is why Seattle has so few stores. This is Year One. Give it time, stoners.
@32 Totally. I wish pot legalization didn't have to be so goddamn tacky. When I read the list of initial store names I performed an involuntary eyeroll so severe I was blind for a week.
This would all be dandy if $40 for 2 grams weren't absolutely ridiculous. Even for great, verified-strain weed, that is at least $10 too high.
I hope people are right when they say prices will go down when supply picks up...but a lot of the price is straight up taxation which isn't going to change.
I also hesitate to believe that prices for a commodity this controlled will necessarily lower as a result of competition. The number of stores in an area will stay limited, so I'm not so sure the store owners will feel the need to dip much lower than $20/gram...especially with lines out the door either way.
I fully support thorough regulation and accurate labeling, but it still isn't worth $20 a gram.
There is no reason pot should be any more expensive than cigarettes. Pot and tobacco are both plants that are about equal in difficulty in growing, both are heavily regulated, both heavily taxed. So even with the regulation and taxing structure, there isn't any practical reason for these prices. They are set that high artificially.
The state should be encouraging lower, more reasonable prices. The only way to put the black market out of business is to undercut them. If it is cheaper to buy weed legally from a licensed store than it is to buy illegally from some unknown dope with a pitbull in a park, the illegal market will evaporate overnight.
Dominick, PLEASE get yourself to one of Seattle's legitimate farmer's markets. Many farmers offer the exact same information as what you describe, plus WAY more choices.
You paid $570/oz, when high-end black-market pot is selling for under $250/oz?
That isn't legalization, that's just another way for the rich to buy immunity and security while forcing the poor to live below the law.
Enjoy your one-percenter bud, there, Dom. Maybe it will help you avoid thinking about the class implications of the system you're telling us to buy into.
This law is obviously not being used as a tool to end the black market in marijuana. Some of us might have been under the mistaken impression that that was one of the goals of the initiative, but we've all had that misconception cleared up now, I think.
The law does serve other purposes, of course; you just need to think about it again without those previous misconceptions.
I've been smoking pot almost daily for five decades. I've NEVER had a problem with any "dealer," most, if not all of whom were long-time close friends. I NEVER "worried" about anyone adulterating the pot I bought, or using chemicals on it; in particular not since all the pot I ever see has been domestically grown right here on the west coast. I simply don't understand the repeated assertions of how "risky" alternative market pot is. I simply have never, EVER seen anything of the sort.
So, no, paying double or triple what my long time friend will deliver to me for doesn't interest me in the slightest. I'm not going to purchase pot from corporate entities who are mobbing the state in order to cash in on this money grab. I support my local dealer, not some guy who looks like a cop.
I've been smoking pot almost daily for five decades. I've NEVER had a problem with any "dealer," most, if not all of whom were long-time close friends. I NEVER "worried" about anyone adulterating the pot I bought, or using chemicals on it; in particular not since all the pot I ever see has been domestically grown right here on the west coast. I simply don't understand the repeated assertions of how "risky" alternative market pot is. I simply have never, EVER seen anything of the sort.
So, no, paying double or triple what my long time friend will deliver to me for doesn't interest me in the slightest. I'm not going to purchase pot from corporate entities who are mobbing the state in order to cash in on this money grab. I support my local dealer, not some guy who looks like a cop.
Let me guess-- you've never in all that time been worried in the slightest about the police jailing your dealer friends, or using your marijuana supply as grounds for a long prison sentence?
Why is that? Could it have something to do with your socioeconomic status, or perhaps the color of your skin?
Well, robotslave, perhaps you have SOME point. I'm a rather low end working class guy. Been everything from a tree planter to a bartender to a graphic artist in my time (back when that was a paid job). I've also been busted three times; once for felony "Criminal Activity in Drugs" for growing an F250's load of pot.
But yeah, I am white (as are 80% of the inhabitants of our region). But, perhaps more importantly, I'm an Oregon resident. When I got my felony charge, I was able to lawyer up and that seemed to satisfy the authorities enough. After all, it seems to me that the whole "war on drugs" gambit was simply an entrepreneurial collaboration between government and industry to make money and control people. I paid my lawyer, he made the felony disappear.
Now, if I was some black kid dealing eight balls on the street? Who knows? It's all hypothetical from where I sit. And no, I wasn't really all that worried about my dealer or grower being put out of business by the cops. Have you ever been to Humboldt County? And as far as being personally busted for possession? Gad! You almost have to work at having that happen to you; at least down here in Oregon. Just another little fine. None of my employers drug tested. In fact, I smoked pot with a couple of my bosses over the years. I wouldn't work for a place that drug tested.
So, the canard of my race being the main factor in my attitude is just that: a canard. Or a red herring, if you prefer.
If you could buy bathtub gin from a guy in the park who worked for a cartel that murdered tens of thousands people, but save a few bucks, would you?
It's absurd to think that it would be a viable option today, but at the end of prohibition it was probably a similar situation. Eventually it will be the same thing for marijuana. Supply and stores will increase, the black market will all but disappear, and this conversation will seem silly in retrospect.
It may not be a factor for you, but it certainly is for our darker-hued brethren. The ridiculous "war on drugs" has greatly disproportionately effected minorities. Minorities are far more likely to get busted, prosecuted, and receive longer prison terms for pot busts than whites. This despite the fact that whites smoke pot at about the same rate as blacks. The war un drugs was/is undeniably racist in its enforcement. That was one of the main reasons I voted for legalization.
It sounds like the state put in some good controls over the price. I'll bet prices go up before they come down. But once the machine starts working and prices go down the state could in theory drop prices (allow more supply) if they want to crush the black market, or raise prices if they want to try to save us from ourselves.
And there's nothing wrong with that. I'd prefer tax-only controls (like we do with cigarettes), but this will work too.
Give WA a few years to figure out what they're doing, and if we're not happy then fix it with legislation. Remember, it's our democracy - we make the rules around here.
In other bargain-seeking news: Televisions are cheaper out of the back of some truck in a parking lot, socks are cheaper on interstate off-ramps, and Rolexes are cheaper from that one dude who is sometimes at that one place.
@49, that's a poor analogy. All those items were obtained through theft. Marijuana grown in someone's basement and sold for what the market allows is honest work.
that's way to expensive for me. Im sure the product is worth it, just that many people don't have the money to pay so much. i am just hoping to be able to grow my own. They are going to price me out of getting high.
it's not worth more if you can't pay more. I am a senior and i will be priced out of getting high I guess. This is just too much. Im sure its worth it to people who can pay it. I am on fixed income, already been priced out of television service. had to let it go..using antenna now, got 3 very lousy stations. thanks for the legalization people!
@50, Don't kid yourself. That weed "grown in someone's basement" has blood on it too. The cartels run most of those home grows and their distribution networks. Just because it didn't come directly from Mexico doesn't mean the money's not going back to the cartel. The other thing to keep in mind is that most of the dealers will tell you their weed isn't affiliated with a cartel because they know you wouldn't buy it if you knew the truth.
(Also the voters didn't nix alcohol stores, they were sold a bill of goods by Cosco that would mean lower prices for booze, that worked out great, eh?)
So I guess those dealers will just go open their own store now, right?
Using a term like "Narcotic" is not appropriate to describe Cannibidiol or CBD's.
It is a non-psychoactive component that is believed to reduce and regulate the effects of THC. This means that strains high in THC and CBD will induce much clearer head highs than more hazy, heady strains containing very little CBD. CBD itself has a long list of medicinal properties. The main of which relieve things such as chronic pain, inflammation, migraines, arthritis, spasms and epilepsy and schizophrenia. CBD has also been show to have some anti cancer properties, and new uses are being found all the time as more research is conducted. Most products that contain high CBD's and low THC count's generally produce no "high" but still include the positive effects of marijuana on the body.
CBG, also known as cannabigerol, is an active compound in cannabis that is mostly known for its anti-bacterial effects. However, very recent research has found that, whilst not traditionally though to be very prevalent within most cannabis strains, it is likely to be the ātemplateā or āstem cellā for both THC and CBD. This means that both THC and CBD start out as CBG. CBG has also been found to inhibit the uptake of GABA, this causes a feeling of relaxation that is normally associated with CBD. These findings have spurred new ongoing research into the cannabinoid, meaning it may have even larger implications.
Putting weed in the hands of the LCB was a huge mistake. Their purpose has always been to hinder people from getting intoxicants. How can they compete with the folks(illegal market) who want you to get high and make it easy? This is like if everything was cheaper at the convenience store on your corner than at the supermarket. No one would go to safeway again.
I just have doubts about how current the test results on Leafly are and if what I buy at SMMA are actually the same.
The continuity and fidelity are kind of important in testing medications.
I'm not interested in over medicating.
Give it some time and you'll see the prices drop to acceptable levels. If they can match the prices of your normal dealers out there on the streets, what is the benefit of buying from them anymore...especially since you know what you're getting here.
Well, to play D-A, the benefit is not having to go to the industrial district to buy weed. As far as I can recall, the only other retailers that can get away with that location are Costco and Home Depot.
If you want to see the illegal market go away, more store have to open, and be in places where people actually go.
I'm a problem solver.
If the injunction doesn't hold, I'm forced to buy from government licensed companies at a minimum price of $12/gm.
I understand that you guys are starting up and I wish you nothing but the best of luck and success. I'll pass on buying MJ in Washington state until the prices come down though.
Tom
If the injunction doesn't hold, I'm forced to buy from government licensed companies at a minimum price of $12/gm.
I understand that you guys are starting up and I wish you nothing but the best of luck and success. I'll pass on buying MJ in Washington state until the prices come down though.
Tom
if legal sales put an end to green-card fraud, the higher (initial) prices are worth it.
I don't actually think the LCB has a lot of blame to shoulder here. The Feds made it very clear, publicly, that they would not tolerate pot stores going in within X distance of schools etc. which is why Seattle has so few stores. This is Year One. Give it time, stoners.
I hope people are right when they say prices will go down when supply picks up...but a lot of the price is straight up taxation which isn't going to change.
I also hesitate to believe that prices for a commodity this controlled will necessarily lower as a result of competition. The number of stores in an area will stay limited, so I'm not so sure the store owners will feel the need to dip much lower than $20/gram...especially with lines out the door either way.
There is no reason pot should be any more expensive than cigarettes. Pot and tobacco are both plants that are about equal in difficulty in growing, both are heavily regulated, both heavily taxed. So even with the regulation and taxing structure, there isn't any practical reason for these prices. They are set that high artificially.
The state should be encouraging lower, more reasonable prices. The only way to put the black market out of business is to undercut them. If it is cheaper to buy weed legally from a licensed store than it is to buy illegally from some unknown dope with a pitbull in a park, the illegal market will evaporate overnight.
That isn't legalization, that's just another way for the rich to buy immunity and security while forcing the poor to live below the law.
Enjoy your one-percenter bud, there, Dom. Maybe it will help you avoid thinking about the class implications of the system you're telling us to buy into.
This law is obviously not being used as a tool to end the black market in marijuana. Some of us might have been under the mistaken impression that that was one of the goals of the initiative, but we've all had that misconception cleared up now, I think.
The law does serve other purposes, of course; you just need to think about it again without those previous misconceptions.
So, no, paying double or triple what my long time friend will deliver to me for doesn't interest me in the slightest. I'm not going to purchase pot from corporate entities who are mobbing the state in order to cash in on this money grab. I support my local dealer, not some guy who looks like a cop.
So, no, paying double or triple what my long time friend will deliver to me for doesn't interest me in the slightest. I'm not going to purchase pot from corporate entities who are mobbing the state in order to cash in on this money grab. I support my local dealer, not some guy who looks like a cop.
Let me guess-- you've never in all that time been worried in the slightest about the police jailing your dealer friends, or using your marijuana supply as grounds for a long prison sentence?
Why is that? Could it have something to do with your socioeconomic status, or perhaps the color of your skin?
But yeah, I am white (as are 80% of the inhabitants of our region). But, perhaps more importantly, I'm an Oregon resident. When I got my felony charge, I was able to lawyer up and that seemed to satisfy the authorities enough. After all, it seems to me that the whole "war on drugs" gambit was simply an entrepreneurial collaboration between government and industry to make money and control people. I paid my lawyer, he made the felony disappear.
Now, if I was some black kid dealing eight balls on the street? Who knows? It's all hypothetical from where I sit. And no, I wasn't really all that worried about my dealer or grower being put out of business by the cops. Have you ever been to Humboldt County? And as far as being personally busted for possession? Gad! You almost have to work at having that happen to you; at least down here in Oregon. Just another little fine. None of my employers drug tested. In fact, I smoked pot with a couple of my bosses over the years. I wouldn't work for a place that drug tested.
So, the canard of my race being the main factor in my attitude is just that: a canard. Or a red herring, if you prefer.
It's absurd to think that it would be a viable option today, but at the end of prohibition it was probably a similar situation. Eventually it will be the same thing for marijuana. Supply and stores will increase, the black market will all but disappear, and this conversation will seem silly in retrospect.
It may not be a factor for you, but it certainly is for our darker-hued brethren. The ridiculous "war on drugs" has greatly disproportionately effected minorities. Minorities are far more likely to get busted, prosecuted, and receive longer prison terms for pot busts than whites. This despite the fact that whites smoke pot at about the same rate as blacks. The war un drugs was/is undeniably racist in its enforcement. That was one of the main reasons I voted for legalization.
It sounds like the state put in some good controls over the price. I'll bet prices go up before they come down. But once the machine starts working and prices go down the state could in theory drop prices (allow more supply) if they want to crush the black market, or raise prices if they want to try to save us from ourselves.
And there's nothing wrong with that. I'd prefer tax-only controls (like we do with cigarettes), but this will work too.
Give WA a few years to figure out what they're doing, and if we're not happy then fix it with legislation. Remember, it's our democracy - we make the rules around here.
they charge $50-60 an 8th for my stuff that i can sell to friends and family for $20-25 an 8th...
save many in my crew hundreds of dollars a month...car payments.....
they double the price in the dispensary for my stuff...so no it's not better