@93 fubar: Admittedly, Griz has been guilty of playing Whack-a-troll maybe a bit too often. Consequently I have been shying away from SLOG AM/PM lately.

@100: fantastic_mrs_fox: Actually, since you already scored this week's hotly vied for FIRDT! honors, the Big Hunsky must go to the next commenter. On the plus side, look at all the amazingly good luck you've been having! :)

@93 fubar: Admittedly I, Griz, have been guilty of playing Whack-a-Troll maybe a bit too often. I think it's best to take a breather from SLOG-AM / PM for a while.

@100 fantastic_mrs_fox: WA-HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Congratulations on scoring this week's Big Hunsky Award honors (@1 delta35 scored this week's FIRDT! honors)!! It appears that you are indeed savoring a particularly good week full of abundant riches. Bask in your envied glow. :)
@100 fantastic_mrs_fox: By the way, not to be confusing, but your Big Hunsky Award was for this PAST week. Your numeric honors in the newly posted Savage Love column, Hands On for THIS week, have been posted along with those of Malevolent Al @2, and curious2 @3. :)

@103: Ooops! One of the problems with juggling the end of the comments on page one and the beginning of the comments on page two. I had to go back to comment @1 to verify everyone who scored numeric honors.
So it is official:
@100 fantastic_mrs_fox: WA-HOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Please disregard @103. You won the Big Hunsky @100 fair and square, as @1 delta35 rightfully scored this last week's highly sought after FIRDT! honors. Savor your accolades. :)

Phi @103, I don't know. When I first heard the phrase "orgasm gap" I thought it meant that women could come several times while men only come once. I've never had a partner who was bothered by this. One of my current partners only comes roughly every other time we have sex, and isn't bothered by this because we do have sex quite frequently. When I was young and stupid I thought I had to hang in there and keep pretending to enjoy myself until the guy came, now I use my words if I'm tired because it turns out sometimes he's nowhere near coming and happy to stop. Also I have had a few female partners who take a long time to come or can't come at all; if this isn't my fault, it's not men's fault. I do think that women are generally more complicated than men; I mean men can come in their sleep, especially when young. There just needs to be more communication in sex, with this ridiculous idea that a good lover can automatically make anyone come as if by magic thrown into the trash heap of pop culture lies.

BDF, I'm not sure where you're going.. Multiple orgasms don't feel better to me than one.. I actually avoid multiples because I find a single orgasm more generally satisfying..

I'm glad that the men you are with don't start complaining when they don't come during sex as often. The guy I'm thinking of first complained that I pressured him to orgasm by asking if he wanted anything different to come, he thought I should stop after I came unless he said/showed that he wanted to continue.. I started doing it his way but I still always asked if he was OK to stop.. Then months later he said that seemed like I didn't care to get him off! He got off and told me I was selfish to want some making out or dirty talk so I could get off too! That he was mad that I had been doing what he asked! So maybe it was just one pretty weird guy who stuck out.

I really doubt that women are less interested or pleased by orgasms than men are, it seems more likely that a broad gender imbalance in orgasm is from male privilege/complaining.. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and men are "supposed to be" loud and squeaky..

I agree that there is no magic way to push another over the line to orgasm.. But I have noticed that sensual touch, honest and open communication, patience, compassion, etc are human skills.. although often more harshly drilled into women while men complain that they are "feminized" when expected to take turns and show respect for others and develop their social skills.. (Wall Street journal opinion, published yesterday, that it's bad to punish boys for interrupting and disrupting class)

Also I came in my sleep when I was young.. It's just harder to tell when there's no huge sticky mess left behind.. I only noticed when I woke up at the same time..

I think it's easier to get off a guy when you're more attracted to guys, and easier to get off a woman when you're more attracted to women..